I can't help it. I must put on my cape and get ready to play the role of Captain Obvious at this point...I'm pretty sure most of you have seen the two teaser text messages released by Jeffrey Hanson, Trista Reynolds, Tori Giffords, Jylie Hartin, Megan LNU et al. How can these people release "one-sided messages", after having said the following: It is pretty difficult to form an opinion when you don’t have the whole conversation to work with.
Now we can turn around and ask some of the same questions asked by the hypocrites, junkies, and assholes who claim to be "4 Ayla": What would we see if we had Justin’s Trista's responses? Was he she manipulating
her him? Was he she trying to stay one step ahead of the investigation?
I haven't done this in a while, but I'm going to respond directly to the text messages post. Not because anyone hit a nerve, but because of the glaring hypocrisy that has been on full display since Ayla went missing.
When I first read about the case of Juliette Guerts and more specifically about how her father who was divorced from Juliette’s mother at the time of Juliette’s death had reconciled with her after Juliette’s murder and as a result of that tryst, a third child was conceived. I couldn’t understand how a father could consort with the person who is most likely responsible for his child’s death let alone have sex with them. The more I pondered over it the more I realized that Juliette’s father was desperate for answers and reaching out to the one person who had those answers. His need for the truth and answers overshadowed all else. It made me realize just how badly a parent of a missing or murdered child needs that closure and the lengths they will go to just to get those answers. Even sharing their bed with someone who is capable of something so horrific. I began to understand the emotional rollercoaster that a parent who is in that situation must be going through.
Okay, cool. Now explain why Trista would be carrying on an affair with a man who was ABUSING her daughter? That abuse was supposedly going on well before Trista stepped onto the "emotional rollercoaster," well before her daughter went missing. Explain that. Also, the lengths Trista is going to to communicate with Justin are clearly not for Ayla's sake. The communication was ongoing because Trista still craves that sort of attention from Justin. Trista hasn't realized that he's moved on to bigger and better things.
When I was forwarded the text messages today between Trista and Justin recently, I could see that Trista is also desperate for answers and willing to talk to Justin and even be polite to him in an attempt to get him to tell her something, anything that will help her find her daughter.
Wait, hold on. This is the same Trista that has called Justin a coward repeatedly and said he is "not a father." Isn't this the same Trista Reynolds who has spoken badly about Justin since DAY ONE? A person who was desperate for answers and willing to talk would not have been engaged in the smear campaign that Trista has been. Does she think she can text him and play nice, all the while saying horrible things on national TV and on blogs? What. The. Fuck?
Trista has been called a liar by the bloggers who sympathize with Justin. The reasons for their claim are as ridiculous as the claim itself. Trista was called a liar for not revealing to the media that she had a boyfriend who was serving time for a serious crime. As far as I could see, Trista was never asked about her love life. Should she have offered it up? Why? Did Justin offer up the info that he had another child? Did he offer up the fact that he procured a life insurance policy shortly after Ayla came to live with him that paid out to him in the event of her death? Did he offer up that Ayla’s blood would be found in the basement?
Trista has been called a liar by ME, a blogger who sees that she is lying. Whatafuckingconcept. Trista's lies have been pointed out for you, time and time again. You sympathize with Trista, so you choose to overlook them. Never once have you used your sources and "inside knowledge" to disprove that Trista has lied. This is another point of hypocrisy; you know damn well that Justin was never asked about many of the things that he has been accused of lying about. Why does that only work when it involves your twisted sista Trista?
Trista was also called a liar because she never told the media that she was in Waterville the day Ayla was reported missing. I think this is the most ridiculous thing of all. I have lived in Maine for most of my life and I know that the route to Machias does not pass through Waterville that the turn off from 1-95 to Route 3 is in Augusta which is 20 miles south of Waterville. Trista was never in Waterville the day Ayla was reported missing until she went to the Waterville Police Station to be interviewed.
Trista was called a liar because she said she was at a hotel in South Portland. That is only a partial truth, which is a lie. She was also called a liar because she allowed Amanda Benner to misrepresent the fact that she had no transportation. If she was heading ANYWHERE that day, her lack of transportation was simply thrown out as a red herring; intended to lessen the suspicion placed upon Trista.
Justin on the other hand never revealed to the media that he was not even home the night Ayla disappeared. He never told the public that he was in Portland. In fact, he and his mother both LIED to the media and claimed it was a normal night. That they had dinner, watched movies, and went to bed.
By Justin’s own admission in the text messages he sent to Trista, he claims he left for Portland to go and get his bed from the apartment AFTER Ayla was put to bed for the night. In other reports, he claimed Ayla was put to bed around 7pm that night so Justin did not leave for Portland until after 7pm. Courtney was reported to have arrived at the house AFTER Ayla was put to bed and got there about 8:30pm and never saw Ayla that night. It is impossible for Justin to leave Waterville at 7pm drive an hour and a half to Portland, dismantle and load a bed into his vehicle and then turn around and head back to Waterville and arrive there any sooner than 10:30pm. Justin also would have had to unload the bed, set it up and make it before anyone would be able to go to sleep that night. How was Justin able to tell the media they checked on Ayla before they went to bed that night around 10pm? Why was Courtney at the house without Justin? How is that a normal night? Justin also claims in the text message that someone else also saw Ayla on Friday so who else was in that house that night? Was it Derek? Why would Derek be in Waterville at Phoebe’s while Justin was in Portland? What the hell really happened at 29 Violette Ave the night Ayla disappeared and who was really there?
YOU are mixing up the nights. Law enforcement has said three adults were in the home the night Ayla went missing. That means JUSTIN WAS IN THE HOME. You are either purposely or inadvertently confusing the night of the 15th with the night of the 16th. He is confirmed to have been in Portland on the 15th via video surveillance and credit card records. Courtney was never reported to have arrived after Ayla went to sleep. I'm sure you can provide a link to that "report" and if your readers were not brainless drones they would demand such a link before believing such an unfounded allegation.
Justin: Ur questions are redundant and retorical o wait let me break it down in your terms ur questions are fuckin retarded and ive answered evrything i know
Justin: She was at my house and i went there after she went to bed to get my bed you idiot people saw her friday so good try
Justin
is SPECIFICALLY ADDRESSING questions, so without knowing how the
questions were asked, or what the questions were, readers can fill in
the blanks with whatever they want. They have already started doing so,
judging by the comments section on the blog. LOL
Why can these messages be released, but not the full conversations of earlier text messages? Remember, Jeffrey claimed that Trista would not be releasing any texts because they are part of the investigation. That led to people accusing me of interfering with an investigation and placing Ayla in further jeopardy. Will any of you speak up for Ayla now that the other side has done the same? Will the people who said one sided texts proved Justin had something to hide apply that same logic to Trista?
Also, I was glad
to see Tori finally admit that her sources are just gossiping fools
with nothing better to do. Of course, Courtney and Justin are still
together, and of course Tori is still stupid. Some things will never
change! ;)
Update 1:
Let's not forget what Jylie aka JMH had to say! Her words are below...
Now, as we know:
1) This release of details is only one-sided, and what we know also is that there is no confirmation that these are ALL OF TRISTA’s MESSAGES. This was not an image scan, directly from the cell phone provider’s corporate offices, or directly from LE who more than likely has all of this documentation in their files…so the fact that anyone can sit there and eat up everything JSTL is posting is simply laughable; and
2) We don’t have Trista’s copies of ALL of the text messages (hers and Justin’s), and more than likely will not see said messages before, during, and after this text thread. Why, you ask? Well, if there is one thing that Trista’s side has truly shown me and have proved to me BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, it is that the Reynolds (and Hanson) camp are working with LE and some type of legal representation, who advises them otherwise.
Does the same now apply to the selected texts that are supposedly from Justin?
Update 1:
Let's not forget what Jylie aka JMH had to say! Her words are below...
Now, as we know:
1) This release of details is only one-sided, and what we know also is that there is no confirmation that these are ALL OF TRISTA’s MESSAGES. This was not an image scan, directly from the cell phone provider’s corporate offices, or directly from LE who more than likely has all of this documentation in their files…so the fact that anyone can sit there and eat up everything JSTL is posting is simply laughable; and
2) We don’t have Trista’s copies of ALL of the text messages (hers and Justin’s), and more than likely will not see said messages before, during, and after this text thread. Why, you ask? Well, if there is one thing that Trista’s side has truly shown me and have proved to me BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, it is that the Reynolds (and Hanson) camp are working with LE and some type of legal representation, who advises them otherwise.
Does the same now apply to the selected texts that are supposedly from Justin?
Clearly the 2nd text is referring to the night of the 15th. Trista must have asked him where Ayla was when he was in Portland that night. Are they really that numb over there? Wasn't it Tori who started talking first about Justin being on Portland on the 15th? Wasn't that further talked about at great length? Who assumed the text referred to the 16th? Tori? Or was that what Trista said?
ReplyDeleteApparently, they are that dumb over there. LOL
DeleteAnd yes, Tori came on the scene with that information (Justin in Portland on 12/15), so she knows that what she's saying is untrue. Supposedly, her brother in law was the source for that information. I wonder if it's Tori trying to twist this story right now, or if it's her higher powers (Jeffrey/Trista)...
Well, now suddenly she has confirmation from one of his ex-roommates that he WAS in Portland the night of the 16th. As if that wouldn't have been mentioned before now. So, people are supposed to believe that Justin was in Portland on the 15th to clean out the remainder of his things, but left his bed there so he could go back and get it the next night. Without knowing, I'd think he'd tie it to his roof if the suv was full rather than use the time and gas to go back.
DeleteReally, I agree
Delete"Well, now suddenly she has confirmation from one of his ex-roommates that he WAS in Portland the night of the 16th. As if that wouldn't have been mentioned before now"
Not buying that. If Tori thought that Justin had been in Portland the night of the 16, it would have been more that mentioned, it would have been highlighted, and a post done about it.
In addition to that, her sorces have been proven WRONG about many things.
She says she has confirmation from one of his ex-roommates that Justin was in Portland on the 16th, but nothing is being said about it being at night, it could have been in the morning, at lunchtime, snacktime, teatime, dinner time ? What time did the ex-roommate supposedly see Justin in Portland on the 16th ?
DeleteLaw enforcement said no kidnapping occurred. They repeat that over and over, so it must be fact.
DeleteLaw enforcement also said 3 people were in the home that NIGHT, that must also be taken as fact. If Justin was not in the home at the time, I think we would have known it by now. I don't think MSP would have problems "corroborating" a story that Tori was able to.
Tori will never name the person who said that, because that person's name probably starts with a 'T' and ends with an 'a'.
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DeleteOh my. Are Jeff & Trista calling out LE AGAIN? LE has confirmed that there were three people in the home the night that Ayla went missing. And there were. Just because Jeff & Trista can not get their facts straight or don't want to when it suits their purpose does not mean that LE does not have their facts straight.
DeleteUm, if Justin has herpes, I'm pretty sure his baby's mother/"mistress" has it too. Think before you run YOUR Herpes infested mouth.
DeleteLet us all revisit exactly what Tori said before she tries even harder to spin things to back up her so called facts. We all know that anyone's memory does not improve as time goes on. The more info we receive will blur what actually happened so a comment made when an event occurred or within a reasonable time is more reliable than one 5 months later. So on February 8, 2012 Tori stated:http://justiceforayla.blogspot.com/2012/02/days-before-ayla-went-missing.html
DeleteJustin was in Portland on the 15th of December, the day before Ayla went missing, cleaning the rest of his belongings out of the apartment in Portland. I know this to be absolute fact. I also know Ayla was not with him. Many have stated online that he was out collecting drug money at that time and that is false.
So what do we believe she has reported this to LE or do we believe her facts now that she is buddy buddy with Jeff and Trista? Tori herself also stated this on February 14, 2012: http://justiceforayla.blogspot.com/2012/02/what-happened-night-ayla-went-missing.html
It has been reported and confirmed that there were a total of 6 people in the house that night, Justin DiPietro, Elisha DiPietro, Courtney Roberts, Ayla Reynolds, Aiden Roberts, and Gabby DiPietro. The people in the house vehemently deny that there was a party there that night and I am inclined to believe them.
So months later she is changing this story also? She seems to be following the same pattern as Trista, Lying when it suits her and hoping everyone follows along without question. Look at her latest blog comments, even her diehard followers question releasing only one sided text messages.
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DeleteOh. my. lord. We are engaged in a battle of wits with people who can NOT understand this???.....
DeleteDecember 15th:
10pm...11pm...11:59pm...
December 16th!
12am...1 A.M....2am...3am...4am...5am......12PM...1pm.........6pm.....8pm.......11pm...11:59pm....
DECEMBER SEVENTEENTH!
12am...
Really, they see "confirmation" that Justin was in Portland in the wee hours of the morning on December 16th (Friday MORNING) before heading back to Waterville and STAYING there that entire night.... and they interpret it as him being in Portland the NIGHT of the 16th.
I'm sorry, can we just laugh our asses off at them together and not feel bad about it, pretty please? These people are so ignorant. They are blogging like they are freaking Jerry W. Mitchell. Tori... newsflash for you- You are NOT smart. Neither are the people who read your blog. Just because you are all equally stupid and pat one another on the back for being "so great" does not make it so.
Do not hold your breath waiting for your MacArthur foundation genius grant. No actually, do. Hold your breath and wait for that.
if only they would SHUT UP and go work or something. Geez these people are such a drain on society.
Hooper- I feel the same way ;)
DeleteIf only this would all come to a resolution so that I could feel like "LOL-ing" at this kind of stuff. If not for the serious nature of this situation I'd be able to. Alas- I stop short of that snort of contempt for the ignorance and hate they spew.. aware of the glaring reality that because of them this little girl may never be found and an innocent person may be jailed. -P
"Trista has been called a liar by the bloggers who sympathize with Justin. The reasons for their claim are as ridiculous as the claim itself. Trista was called a liar for not revealing to the media that she had a boyfriend who was serving time for a serious crime."
ReplyDeleteLie and minimize much? Thank you for providing the lies link, Obscure. I don't actually remember anyone saying Trista lied for not telling the media about Ray.
You're welcome. I don't remember calling Trista a liar for that particular reason, but either way---she IS a liar for many more reasons. If they want to split hairs about what is actually considered a lie, fine.
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DeleteAll they can do is minimize things. They live in this little snow-globe of their own making. Truth as we know it doesn't exist. Trista's behavior is swept under the rug, excused, minimized, or totally rewritten. Justins behaviors are invented. His words are exaggerated, given alternate meanings, infused with evil undertones. Good lord this has gotten old already. I can't effing believe these people are who the police up there apparently think like. Didn't that woman say that the police "really like her blog"? WTF?
DeleteThe state of Maine is doomed if this is a reflection of their best and their brightest. No offense.
Yup. -Pescara
DeleteHypocrisy at its finest for sure. Great job showing it.
ReplyDelete"You are either purposely or inadvertently confusing the night of the 15th with the night of the 16th"
I have to believe that this was purposely done, as Tori knows the details of this case pretty darn well.
For some reason, and I don't know why...I'm not even sure that this post was writen by Tori.
"Justin: She was at my house and i went there after she went to bed to get my bed you idiot people saw her friday so good try"
I would love to know what question Justin was responding to here.
Very interesting text. Who was Justin referring to, as people seeing her Friday? Ayla, Courtney, someone else? *You* idiot people saw her friday.
Who are the *You* idiot people?
I believe the text would have benefited from punctuation. Try reading it with a period after the word idiot.
DeleteDuh, thank you Space.
DeleteOkay, I have to change my thoughts on Tori writing this post. It now seems clear that she did.
DeleteWhen I read it earlier today, it just didn't seem like her writing.
Yes they mixed up the nights. But LE knows exactly which nights are which. So no worries. And yes Obscure you are right also so does the surveillance camera that shows the date and time of the night that Justin was in Portland.Thank you for pointing that out. Not the same night Ayla disappeared but the night before just as Justin has stated. Really Jeff when are you going to get your facts straight???
DeleteDid anyone notice the timestamp on the picture of Ayla Tori has on this post? How can they have a picture of Ayla from 2009? Did she photo-shop Ayla into an older pic, and if so, why? Is there anything real or truthful on that blog?
ReplyDeleteWell that is just ridonkulous Anon. I know myself I don't have an accurate date and time on my camera. Lots of people don't now how to change it on their cameras, me I am just lazy and never got around to it lol. But you are nitpicking to point that out.
DeletePerhaps, but since they are over there talking about Tori's journalistic integrity, how hard would it have been to crop that out? Talk about lazy....
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DeleteAgreed- she nitpicks but let's not play her game. It's hard enough to deal with them without giving them even the littlest things to go on. Remember when Obscure posted the petition just to make a point about how ignorant theirs are? It was a freaking joke and none of us were gonna sign it but they run around like Chickn little over these things. Remember, you're dealing with people who can't understand that there are 22 hours between 1am on the 16th and 11pm on the 16th. So they call it the same night. And claim Justin was in Portland the night Ayla disappeared when he was at home and that has been verified by police. Who at least understand the workings of our solar system and how to calculate 24 hours and translate it into defined 'nights' even if some hours of every night can be claimed by two different calendar "days".
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DeleteSNL if you cannot at least to have some sort of decency, then beat it. As soon as I take off comment moderation you show your true colors. I bet your mommy can't leave you alone for one second! Clean it up or I'm clearing it out! Kthnx
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DeleteObscure Dee lyrics™ ® ©
ReplyDeleteLook at me I'm Obscure Dee
Lousy with intellectual virginity
Won't go to bed till my typing fingers have bled
I cant I'm Obscure Dee
watch it
Hey I'm just a dumbass today
I got kicked out of mensa that way
Won't come across
even my self importance lost it's mind to moronitis hay hay
I don't stink (no!)
I don't care (no!)
I don't pull crap out of thin air (ew!)
I get ill from one real fact(cough)
Get your filthy paws in my lonely drawers
Would you make me beg if I wasn't in your debt?
As for you my dreampuff, Lancy-poo
You know what I wanna do
Justin, Justin,my lover wannabe
Bring that pelvis closer to me
I must keep my cool
I am starting to drool
Hey fongol
I'm Obscure Dee
you're want in on the action Dereka?
@ Sleaze is the Word: You describe yourself perfectly, seek professional help immediately!
DeleteWhy do we have to read things like that? These people are so ignorant.
DeleteGO BACK TO YOUR OWN BLOG. Tori will coddle you for being brilliant. We will ignore you. We feel sorry for your inability to have a conversation or see the facts for what they are. Honestly we do. But we don't have time for therapy sessions. In general (I'm assuming from what I know of most of you) we have jobs and lives and can't spare a lot of extra time in the first place. I can't spend it reading garbage like that little wannabe rap so beat it. Next time you post I won't even acknowledge it. Most likely neither will anyone other than your friends who come here to post and cause drama.
Funny how you guys can not stand that this blog exists. ;) if it were actually a bunch of lies you wouldn't work so hard to try to dirty up the place. it would be dirtied up already. Alas, it's funny, engaging, full of insight and truth and it pisses you the hell off. Climb up on Tori's lap and tell her all about it.
You’re on top of it Obscure, as usual. J
ReplyDeleteOMG, Tori’s blog is too much! Even her blog followers are having a problem with this one. “Teaser” text messages!
She says these are only a few of the ones she’s received, but she’s going to post some more of them on Saturday!
She had to use a text editor, etc., before she could even open them and post them online. There are 86 messages and they were sent to her out of order (huh).
But, according to her comments, she says she stated she would release them all in her next post (on Saturday).
What’s the hold up? Does she have some “reformatting” to do?
Hmmmmmm!
Signed:getrealpeople
talking to yourself obscure. too funny. and kinda sad.
DeleteAnon, buzz off. No one here is going to start thinking we're all the same person having one elaborate schizophrenic conversation with ourselves. lol. Good try though. Jolly good. ;)
DeleteYes- Getreal, it is funny that her own followers are seeing the glaring problems with her journalistic blogging "efforts" now. I hate to characterize anything about this situation as being funny because it's honestly tragic and my family and I have done our share of feeling deeply saddened by it all. But in the midst of it you have this idiot woman come along and blog nothing but made up crap and pat herself on the back for it while asking for praise and a few coppers if you please from her lemmings...and well, it's a joke. Unbelievably these kind of people surface in every case. Oddly she thinks she's a do-gooder and it's clear she's anything but. I never thought I'd find myself involved/interested in a case like this but I find I can't walk away. The injustice is too much. Bloggers like Tori and her ridiculous pals just can't be left unchallenged so I come back even when I think I can't read one more idiotic word from them.
well written, John Q :)
DeleteI was once totally pro-Trista but after recent events and looking at all of the evidence more closely I've come to the conclusion that Trista is guilty of just as much as Justin is. She caused A LOT of what has gone on because she is an alcoholic, a drug addict, and a slut. Justin is no saint either. I don't think Ayla had a chance with them as her parents.
ReplyDeleteI was once certain of what became of Ayla. I was certain that she had been murdered (whether accidentally or purposely is unimportant at this point) by the hands of Justin. Now I don't know what to think. I don't think either Justin or Trista hurt Ayla. But I do think they contributed greatly to Ayla being missing at this time because they are terrible parents.
And furthermore, Tori is a joke. I do think she is a very nice girl but it's clear that her motives behind opening that blog are not good and not pro-Ayla. Tori's main concern is popularity and being in the limelight. She craves and loves attention and that is her motive behind getting involved in this case. She wants nothing more than to have all of the attention on her all while bashing anyone and everyone who disagrees with her ignorant opinions.
DeleteAnd regarding those text messages, they are so clearly faked. And by that I mean that it's obvious Trista or Jeff added a lot in to Trista's replies. Also, how hard is it to spell FATHER? How does Trista expect to teach Ayla anything with a grade 6 education?
DeleteSarah, I have similar feelings about this mess. I originally thought the father had something to do it. Now I think more that Trista or someone close to her very strange family is involved.
DeleteI notice today that her best friend Amanda Benner will no longer speak to Trista because Trista has done something major wrong. I think that maybe Amanda realizes Trista is involved with Ayla being missing and does not want to go down the tubes with Trista on this and end up in trouble with the law.
Sarah
DeleteI am not going to address Trista as a parent. Not my place. Justin was just starting to be a parent. He had recently learned that Trista's fiance was going to jail for arson. Trista herself was going to rehab for her problems. And that the "stable" family unit that he thought was in place for Ayla clearly was not as stable as he thought. Justin realized it was that much more important to try and establish the visitation for he and Ayla that he had been working towards. Justin may not have been being as aggressive about it before he was trying to take it slow and not make waves. Keep the peace with a family that was not happy about letting him in so to speak. But when all of this came about he knew it was time to become more active and stand his ground. I don't know does that make him a bad parent? I am not sure what I have seen that shows he was a bad parent? He gave up his apartment moved back with his mom. Went back to finish school for a better job. I know people will jump on here and say he abused Ayla. There is nothing anywhere at all that proves that. Or it was his home she disappeared from. Sadly does that make every parent who's child has ever been kidnapped or harmed by someone else a bad parent? It is very sad but in most cases it is not due to neglect of the parent. So as I said I am not speaking for Trista. But please tell me what has been shown regarding Justin that shows that he was a bad parent.
Good points, and good questions...
DeleteMy reasoning behind thinking Justin was a bad parent is the most obvious; the apparent injuries and bruises, etc... that were found on Ayla. Of course I don't know the situation in its entirety so I could be totally wrong. Also, Justin did not have a job and lived in his mother's basement which isn't the best thing to do when you have a child. Of course, it's better than living in a junkie-ridden sleazebag motel. I'm just not so sure that Justin was a good parent. I don't think either of them were/are.
DeleteGreat post Kate. I completely agree and understand. It's a very logical statement and I have had the same thoughts as I have followed the case.
DeleteSarah, thank you for realizing that you don't know the entire situation. I am so pleased to have someone capable of discussing the case rationally even if we don't really agree. I'm going to apologize because I need to make 2 posts and I don't usually post at such length.
I'm not being condescending at all, but since the internet doesn't allow for tone, I want to preface what I'm about to say with that statement.
Sarah, do you have kids? What we see happening here is that the typical bumps and bruises a toddler of her age would get are being wildly exaggerated. If you read some of this blog that specifically addresses that issue, you might reconsider. My nieces and nephews spend a lot of time with me and I know all too well how that age kid is prone to many bumps and bruises and scrapes. If you don't have kids, I encourage you to ask friends or your parents, aunts, uncles, and grandparents about it and even ask for pictures. Ask people who you think were good parents. I say that because it will bring so much clarity to the situation. Trista doesn't have older children than Ayla so she herself doesn't have that kind of experience. Sharing a child with Justin could understandably have led to questions about where this or that bruise came from. The same thing happens to parents whose toddlers are in daycare. There can be anxiety about where things came from- especially with a first time parent. Which Trista is. Yes, she has two children but Ayla is the eldest.
With regard to Justin and job/living arrangements- here is the situation as it's been described many times. Justin is apparently a pretty normal guy. His high school and post high school friends readily vouch for him. His family and family friends readily vouch for him. Most of his support network are made up of people apparently citizens in good standing with the law and who have made something of themselves. Other people (from the other blog) might hate this fact, but there is truth in the idea that a persons friends say something about them. Granted he may have acquaintances who are lacking in some ways, but many people do and you have to look at the overall big picture there. He is said to have always been a hard worker and someone who has always owned up to his actions and shortcomings. Those are pretty good characteristics. (The rumors that the other side comes up with are ALL figments of what they suppose and there is yet to be a person who actually claims knowledge of a contradictory characterization. And, hello, Tori is the sister-in-law of Justins ex roomate from Portland? Well....interestingly that guy has NEVER come out and given Tori one single negative thing to say about Justin. Obviously she'll make one up NOW. Duh. Because that's how she operates.)
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DeleteJustin had ONLY had Ayla for just over TEN WEEKS when she disappeared. It's 2011 at the time. He has just moved to have a better home environment (Aunt and grandmother and Dad, vs. single men who are not related to her). He is immediately, upon moving to his mom's house (temporarily, until he can get his own place again), taking a driving course of some kind in order to get a steady paying job. Admirable. Likely he is unaccustomed to how much constant on-the-go activity an 18-20 month old toddler has. So understandably he is at that point learning to gauge how much precaution needs to be taken under different circumstances. With a lot of experience with kids you begin to know that in a way that seems automatic, but the reality is that it takes experience. He didn't have it yet. Even with constant vigilance, a child of that age is GOING to take her share of tumbles. It's part of that phase of development. The drones on that other blog either don't know that or just refuse to acknowledge it because it would interfere with their theories. Sadly, they are in this to be right--not for the simple sake of truth and justice as they claim. I think that Justin wanted very much to be a good parent and was trying. I think that Trista has a sliding scale of what makes a good parent. Her meter is set way too low and she's setting the meter for him way too high to achieve "good parent" status. Though in the first weeks of the case she said she knew Justin to be a very good Dad who would NEVER hurt Ayla.
@Sarah
DeleteJustin always had a job. From as far back as his Jr high school days. Never have I known him to not have one. And he did have his own place. He moved in with his mom to get out of a place that he believed was not the best place at the time for his daughter. He was living with several other guys with no bedroom for Ayla. At his mom's home Ayla could share a princess bedroom with her cousin. And yes Justin slept in the basement so that his daughter could have that. And he was not working at that time because he was in school. But he had also been working while at school but had recently broke his wrist so was not working until it was healed at that job. Other wise he is now currently back at work typical to his nature. So as you can see. Your perception is based on public rumor and not knowing the facts. Which sadly is often the case. And people can turn it around and say well people are saying the same about Trista on Justin's side but that is just not true. What is coming out about Trista is coming out on it's own. Justin and his supporters have not torn down that side. The facts about Trista, her family and their choices are there. No one has to make them up. And as for the injuries well I will not go into that in detail as that has already been addressed at length many places. What I will say is that only Trista & Jeff's side say there were bruises and injuries. LE verified the arm was an accident. Several doctors also did. Not one doctor reported abuse from the arm or from bruises. And DHHS never contacted Justin regarding abuse. That does not happen if abuse has been reported. Just some things for you to think about. Along with if you really read the other stories and inconsistencies. Then maybe you can start to piece things together and get a clearer picture of a story that is not actually clear at all on Trista's side but quite foggy.
Right. Obviously those of us who are close enough to the family can't post details of who we are or we'll get attacked like others did which is so horrible but true. Everything the anon above said is true and actually the Veronica above that clearly is able to see the reality from a non connected standpoint too. The truth that the hateful bloggers and their followers are trying so hard to deny is that Tristas claims of him being this horrible guy just aren't true. And her own words and actions prove that she did not believe what she later claimed to believe. From the inner circle I can tell you unequivocally there has never been an effort to tear apart those bloggers or their followers, though we each deeply were affected by their actions and lies. I personally have never attacked or tried to "expose" any of them and knowing all the people involved, I know that no conversation has ever included suggestions that we do so. Are they okay with it happening at the hands of strangers who see through the BS and jumped on board? I think so. I know I am. It is needed. What they did was wrong and they are very mean people whose intentions quite clearly are not good or fair minded. They are people who justify tearing down innocent people that they don't even know based on feeling that they must be right about Ayla and anyone who disagrees is evil and should be destroyed. They have even worked very hard at destroying a families businesses just for caring about their friends and trying to help them during a tragedy. Those hate mongers justify behavior that is just not okay on any level. The point is that we have not seen the "other side" at all attacked in nearly the ways this side has been since the beginning. It's obvious where the majority of the people with scruples are and that is either firmly on Justins side or firmly planted on neutral ground on just Aylas side... but staying as far away from camp hate (you know who they are) as possible. They comment here and on Ttlom for the most part. So no matter what they would like to believe or make others believe, none of us attack or ask others to attack them. Even though the real truth is those jerks deserve the truth about them being revealed for the smear campaigns they launched. P
DeleteRead the new post with some of the text messages. Seems like Tori messed up, she was under pressure I guess! (LOL)
ReplyDeleteRead the second comment by "Confused" @8:49.
It is comically entertaining, if nothing else!
Trista never used "text lingo", or the word "like", once. She even spells father wrong four times in a row. Guess that is supposed to make it look legit. Did Justin know about Ayla two years ago? Also, June 28th was a Thursday. Too much!!!!
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getrealpeople - agreed... plus, she said she had 86 texts to post in their entirety, there's about 60 missing (you can tell that some are missing in between the ones put up)... and the abuse thing was over the top, how is one supposed to respond to someone who repeatedly has called and is calling them a murderer?
DeleteForgot to add, the craziness on the time. Makes no sense. Why the need for this?
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I agree. Texts are definitely missing. Nonetheless, the Dr. Seuss line sums things up pretty well!
Delete@getrealpeople Thanks for the shout out lol...I am "confused" who posted there and my name is fitting because I am..well..confused now. I am starting to question thngs because those timestamps didnt make sense to me! I give people the benefit of he doubt until proven wrong so for now I am accepting Tori's explanation. But I too want to see the rest of the texts and conveniently there was one left out. I still personally think Justin is a douchebag but I dont agree with only releasing partial messages (from either blogger) to shed one party in a bad light. Both Trista and Justin are not saints here! Give me all the info to make an informed decision!
Delete"Date:2012.6.28.8.59.43
DeleteHey its Trista so we are going on to five months you ready yet to tell me where or what happened to Ayla? i am so tired of not knowing if my Daughter is okay And not one person can give me hope that she is still alive....(continued text)"
Date says June 28th, 2012. Trista says in THIS text "we are going on to five months".
Ayla was missing December 17th. That would make June 28th OVER 6 MONTHS
Welcome, confused :) I've read your posts on the u4a site and you raise some great points.
DeleteThanks. I will be the first to admit I felt Justin was guilty and maybe he still is. I just see some things that make sense and things that dont. What I dont agree with is stirring the pot and I didnt like how these texts were released...realeasing them is one thing but let people make their own judgment, i dont like the mixed up timestamps and missing texts, that is deliberately swaying opinion. I also have retrieved old texts from my carrier that have been deleted so it can be done, they arent always gone forever just because they werent in Tristas sent msgs anymore. They also retain their original date and time on the report. :)
DeleteWelcome, confused. You will find that any legitimate questions and discussions are very much welcome here. We call BS what it is and don't make apologies for it. ;)
DeleteI went back and forth with thoughts of whether one party or the other is guilty of anything. Where I am with it is this:
*Someone should have been arrested by now if law enforcement has the evidence that some claim they have. My background/affiliations makes me pretty confident in that statement.
*Spokesperson has handled this entire thing very unprofessionally upon playback, although initially I didn't see some of it. The reason was that back then I assumed they really knew something they weren't letting on. NOW that it's July 2012, I know that can't have been the case. Otherwise there would be arrests. Consider this extremely sad case: http://www.detroitnews.com/Story_not_found#ixzz16szTxKML I will summarize it in the post below, in case I run out of space in this one. But this is one in which 3 boys are to go with their dad for Thanksgiving visit and are never returned to mom. Alexander, Andrew, and Tanner Skelton. (Poor babies, my heart breaks for them. Please say a prayer for their sweet little hearts and for closure for their case as well.) So on December 1 of 2010, Toledo investigators were still searching on day 5 for the brothers. The father, though evidence was not found of his involvement other than the boys went missing while in his care, was already in jail and had a $3M bond set. He admitted to nothing and his story was he left them with someone else and was going to commit suicide himself but didn't follow through. Cont. below:
They disappear at thanksgiving 2010 and his SECOND hearing is set for Dec. 14th. In the first week the mother is quoted as feeling like the police are right and this isn't going to end positively. She has remained out of public view and has not done interviews in the first weeks. At all. This is an innocent mom, mind you, who was not in the state and it is clear to one and all she had no involvement in their disappearance. Hundreds of volunteers- not including innocent Mom Tanya- are searching. The FBI had arrested the father within a couple of days of their reported abduction on suspicion of kidnapping! No evidence, no blood, no nothing to indicate a crime. Just the fact that they were in his care and they were gone. One year later, in Nov. 2011, Mom has done a 180 and believes her sons are alive. "As the boys mom, in my heart they are still alive...The man I knew couldn't hurt his children that way." So she holds out hope all this time. The summer before her ex husband had been sentenced to 10-15 yrs which was challenged in this past March of 2012. The judge said "he will serve all 15 so long as Alexander, Andrew and Tanner are still missing..."
Deletehttp://www.lenconnect.com/skelton/x655469646/Court-rejects-Skelton-challenge-to-maximum-prison-term-in-missing-Morenci-boys-case
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http://www.wxyz.com/dpp/news/a-year-later-mother-of-missing-morenci-brothers-believes-they-are-alive
So you see, there is no reason Justin wouldn't already be in jail if they had real reason to believe he had harmed Ayla.
Let me ask this question? If Justin was in Portland on the 15th on tape at cumberland farms. Then why would it be so Hard to not think He was there on the 16th to? Being that when the clock strikes 12:01 it is actually the 16th thats a no brainer so if you say he was there on the 16th you are correct but that however only means this if he was there after the whiching our right? ok So that was a question. Make some sense to me Please :)
ReplyDeleteActually a good point. Does not mean that he stayed there all day and was there that night of the 16th. Justin was home the day and night of the 16th just as he and LE confirmed he was.
DeleteThis often gets confussed.
DeleteJustin was in Portland on Dec. 14/15. (Wed.- Thurs)
He was seen on video camera at Cumberland Farms at around 2 a.m. on Dec 15th. (Thurs.)
Here's my opinion concerning Tori's first & second blog post on these text messages. Short and simple.
ReplyDeleteThey do NOT pass the straight face test, nor the smell test.
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DeletePerfect! :)
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Does anything Tori posts pass the straight face test? lol. What a thorn in the side. Don't take that as a compliment Tori! That isn't like being a Gadfly.
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