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From Pogamen---Posted 7/15/12

What's in a name, anyway? pogamen - pog is NOT an acronym for 'power of God'.
POG. Here's an oldie, but still goodie...
My initials? My bologna has a first name, it's O... oh - that's the middle letter.
Everyone takes these things so literal these days - black and white, no gray area.
In the beginning, there was a Pee, an Oh, or Gee! Can you name that tune?
POG. A retail acronym for plan-o-gram.
POG. Play Omega's Game. The only game Omega has ever known is war.
POG. A children's game (no longer popular).
POG. A mentally challenging game that I created - Pendulum Over Gravity. Just as the Earth has gravitational forces, so does any subject/object/topic possess gravitational forces (gravity of the situation). This is loosely connected to the reason we blog, but not the reason for choosing to post as pogamen.
My 'name' choice is extremely relevant and meaningful to the overall blogsite theme and topic when the Overseer's definition is disclosed. With His help, I have reconstructed a small portion of a story He told me a few years ago.
Here's a little background about the individuals in His story, with fictional names -
Matt - a Police Detective that inherited all Missing Persons case files in his city, with additional duties to assist major crimes (anything more than misdemeanor) in his precinct. He was fast-tracking for the next promotion. Successful.
Carol - Matt's supportive wife. Worked an administrative job in Human Relations Department for private business.
Sariah - Matt and Carol's precious 4-year-old. She's happy, outgoing, energetic, all the things that mark a healthy, happy, creative child.
Overseer - that is His preferred title. In reality, He is our God. There's others. He's the One, but not the Only. That's not this story.
He - Overseer/God
Me - pogamen
This is His story -
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Matt and Carol enjoyed a recreational morning before the alarm clock buzzed at 5am. Matt arose to take a shower and get dressed; Carol woke Sariah and went to the kitchen to start breakfast. When Matt got to the kitchen, Carol was cooking the bacon and Sariah was eating a bowl of cereal.
Sariah - 'Daddy, Mommy says I can't have my picture on the milk. She says to ask you why. How come Tammy got her picture taken? She doesn't even have a Mommy. You always say I'm a beautiful princess. Please, Daddy! Can I be next?'
Matt - 'What? No. You don't want your picture on a milk carton. That's not something I'm going to allow. Choose something else. I thought we were going to put the milk back in the refrigerator before it got warm? Look. It left little curls in my coffee.'
Carol - 'It's almost empty anyway. I left it out to remind myself to have you pick up some milk on the way home this evening. Sariah, get dressed and bring me your hair ribbons and brush.'
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Once Matt was in his car, he became Police Matt. Papa Matt and Honey Matt were left at the curb. 
Matt shouting - 'Oh dear God, Mother Mary, and Jesus H. Christ! Isn't it enough that I work all day long to look for these unfortunate people? Isn't it enough that my mind is consumed with worry for their safety?' He slammed his hand on the steering wheel to stress the punctuation for his questions. In silence, he came to a stop at the red light, observing traffic in all directions. He accelerated through the green light and again, shouting, 'Oh dear God, Mother Mary, and Jesus H. Christ! Is it really necessary? Do I have to invite these children into my home? At my kitchen table? In front of my daughter? While she's eating her breakfast? Must I see my daughter compete for space on a milk carton like it was a beauty pageant?' Each question mark, again, hand-slam to the wheel for accentuation. Just then, Matt heard a deep, masculine voice that completely filled his head, yet felt as if it happened between seconds - POG. That's what he heard, loud and clear - one word, POG.
Matt settled in at work. The day was filled with meetings, and his mind was on only one thing - what is the meaning of POG? He prepared to leave about 4pm. He got a text message from his wife - just one word - 'milk'. His morning tirade was a thing of the past, over, finished. He messaged back - OK.
Matt, standing in front of the milk case - 'Oh dear God, Mother Mary, and Jesus H. Christ!'
A man stops and asks Matt, 'Do you have a problem, Mister?'
Matt demanding - 'You work here, in the dairy department?'
The man says 'Yes, is there something I can help you with?'
Matt - 'Yes, you can go get the Manager. I want to show him what you've done. All of this milk is placed the wrong way!'
The man says, 'Mister, I am the Store Manager, and I am the person that stocked the milk backwards. You probably don't realize how expensive advertising really is. Take a look around. You can get a free litter scoop with this, or a free ice cream scoop with that. You can collect these points and redeem them for a trinket. Hardly anybody buys this until there's a BOGO Sale; then everyone wants a cart load. Now look at the milk again. It's the only advertising in the store that has any socially redeeming value whatsoever. I think that's backwards. I turned the milk around to help these people get more advertising bang for their bucks - a wall built with a missing child's face. You don't have to buy it to look at it. Read it. I feel really good about this; I'm even proud of myself for doing something about it. I'm going to make it store policy any time there's a child's picture on the milk cartons. After a long sigh, the Manager asked, 'What were you trying to tell me?'
Matt - 'Nothing. Carry on. Good job!' Matt stepped back, looked at the milk case, and thought, 'Oh dear God, Mother Mary, and Jesus H. Christ! What does all this mean?' He noticed all the variety in the milk case, something he was oblivious to until now. Then, he got an epiphany! POG! He took out his cell phone and speed dialed his wife...
Matt - 'Hi Hon. They're all out of our milk.'
Carol - 'That's strange.'
Matt - 'It's okay. There's plenty more where that came from. What do you want - plastic or glass?'
Carol - 'Is the plastic yellow or white?'
Matt - 'It makes a difference?'
Carol - 'Yes, but I don't have time right now to explain it. Do they have a half-gallon yellow plastic container of 2%?'
Matt - 'Hold on... No! What is going on here?'
Carol - 'It sounds like you're busy, too. Buy whatever they have and I'll pick some up tomorrow. Bye.'
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Me - 'Huh. POG. Plastic or glass.'
Overseer - 'That's not the end of the story. I thought Matt could hear me. I thought we were having a two-way discussion.  When he accused his wife of leaving the milk out, I was apologizing for making her forget to put it back. I thought he was a prayerful man, always in his thoughts driven by rock-hard emotion, saying, 'Oh dear God, Mother Mary, and Jesus H. Christ!' But then, all he wanted to know was who the Mother F'er was that did this or that. I answered all of his questions. I'm the Mother F'er that inspired the milk carton ads. To paraphrase his words, I'm the Mother F'er who brought it to his daughter's attention. All along, I was agreeing with him. It shouldn't have to be this way, but it is. I'm the MF that was going to set his career on top. He heard only one word - POG. I mentioned it when I was talking about the cardboard bottle tops that came on glass bottles of milk. Every child had a toy if they had milk. I could understand Matt's complaints about having the ad in front of children, and I wouldn't have wanted missing children's pictures printed on pogs from glass bottles. Distasteful - it does not mix well with the rules for a game of pog. I let my feelings out a bit, I suppose, but that's all he heard - POG.'
Me - 'That's amazing, I've noticed something like that in a story I wrote.'
Overseer - 'I wanted to give you a happy ending story. That's the best I can do, considering the subject matter.'
Me - 'I'm ready to hear the rest of it whenever you're ready to tell it.'
Overseer - 'I don't want you to grow cold towards people over this stuff, but you must be careful not to put too much hope or trust with someone that can only hear their own thoughts.'
Me - 'I understand.'
Overseer - 'Now for the end of the story. It was, in fact, Tammy's picture on the milk carton.'
Me - [I dropped my cup of coffee.] 'I'm not cold over this, no matter how you look at it.'
Overseer - [A silent giggle like a bowl full of Jell-O.] 'Sariah was at her daycare playing in the yard. She wandered towards the fence and saw a little girl peeking into the yard. Sariah introduced herself and started talking about bits of everything. She asked the girl for her name. The girl said, 'Tammy.' Up until then, we thought the girl was mute, deaf, or in shock. It's the first word she is known to have spoken since her mother died a year earlier. She was taken by a stranger that lives next door to Sariah's daycare. Sariah couldn't read the name on the milk carton. We had pushed the limits with the abductor, and we were running out of time. We invested efforts to get the police dad to read the name and remember what his daughter said about Tammy...'
Me - 'Sometimes it works to just say it.'
Overseer - 'Game Over - Period.'
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As you can see, POG has multiple meanings. The 'power of God' resides in the second part of the word - 'Amen'.

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  1. Thanks- it will make it easier to discuss the posts themselves this way. -Hartley K.

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  2. pogamen-

    I don't think Obscure was saying you misused pages- maybe so, but I didn't see that. I think Obscure wanted to help keep your story in one place. As opposed to all over the blog. Your comments were generally not so much in reference to the posts you were commenting on. :)

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    1. My humor doesn't make it to the page. I said 'misused' - my guilt - Obscure's kindness. Guilt - from 'all over the blog'. LOL

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    2. Thank you Pogamen for another interesting post. I picked up right away on the daughter's statement that she wanted her picture taken like Tammy. I knew she saw her picture on the milk carton. It is so very easy to "miss" what is being said when your mind is going in so many different directions. A good listener is very rich in knowledge. I pray with the pogamen Ayla will be found.

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    3. I don’t think Sariah saw her picture on the milk carton, she recognizes Tammy. Neither, mommy, or daddy caught it.

      Here’s my take: (for what it’s worth)

      The father has a very mentally exhausting job working with missing person cases, especially those that involve children. There must be tension, at home at times, as his work cannot be left at the office. He can’t get away from it, it’s even on the kitchen table on a milk carton. Mommy doesn’t want to, or doesn’t know how to answer her daughter’s question. She throws it onto daddy to answer. Daddy doesn’t even want to think about that, the milk needs to go back in the refrigerator before it gets warm!

      Matt has a very demanding job, especially mentally. He apparently is regarded as an expert in his field, which adds more pressure to his job, plus he is an achiever.

      He goes through evidence, witness statements, others theories, etc., all day long. The cases are rehashed and rehashed, what are they missing. Everything he knows from his training and experience, but yet something is being missed.

      If only he could clear his mind, remove all this excess noise. Just step back and look at the case with a clear open mind, forget what you have been taught, forget what has been discussed over and over.

      Their minds are so cluttered they can’t see clearly. He doesn’t see the answer in his 4 year olds response, “How come Tammy got her picture taken? She doesn't even have a Mommy.” Neither of the parents catch it! How does she know Tammy’s name, how does she know Tammy doesn’t have a mommy?

      Maybe the gravity of the situation is keeping him grounded.

      Things aren’t always black and white, there is no book to follow, a + b does not always equal c. (ex: We did not find any evidence of an abduction, therefore an abduction did not occur. It is not possible!)

      I believe that there are a lot of times, not always, that the answers are right there in front of our noses, yet we can’t see them due to all the extraneous clutter in our minds.

      Please, Oh God, let them see and hear with an open mind.

      Sorry this is so long. Hope it’s okay pogamen :)
      I wanted to post this morning, but didn’t have time. Your blog has been on my mind all day!

      Signed:getrealpeople

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    4. @Anonymous (1st), Bravo. I tried to cover it up, but there's not enough of the story told to do that.

      @getrealpeople - I didn't think anyone was going to analyze the post. I think you turned over every rock - congratulations. The main purpose for the post was due to emails I received from a blog viewer. CC wanted to know if POG = power of God. It must have been important to her, because she mentioned it again in a second email. That's uncool - not lukewarm, not cold, but definately uncool.

      Secret to tell - Ayla picked up an important vocabulary word from Phoebe. She understood it's meaning from the 'event of the moment' that caused Phoebe to tell her sons, 'That's rude.' Ayla saw the power of the word - attention-getting, demanding respect. Ayla used the word several times when we talked - she spoke with power when she said, 'I don't want to be rude or anything like that...' So I wonder why, a lot. Why did I obey rules and protocols? I'm still soul-searching on that one. Why bother with these people that are uncool? There's only one answer - I don't want to be rude, but the explanation isn't going to CC directly... she can come here and read His story.

      Getrealpeople, if you are ready, look at His story again. The Overseer said, 'Game Over - Period.' Based on His statements, what does that make you think? This is an unfair lesson because it's only a tiny part of what we discussed regarding the psychopathy of the events and individuals involved, so I'll give you the explanation if you don't want to decipher His meaning.

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    5. @pogamen

      I originally thought Matt was too late in saving Tammy. I guess I need to read it over again, and think about it! If I can't decipher it, I'll ask you for the explanation.

      signed:getrealpeople

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    6. I thought "game over - period" was just a reversal of POG. GO-P. Also remember you said before that if you want to keep a secret don't tell a congressman. And maybe a republican congressman knows something? Hey I'm not used to riddles like these Pogamen posts but I find them interesting enough to read and give feedback. Maybe totally off base but that's what I saw. - curious george II

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    7. @Anonymous/curious george II - You're safely on second base. It's not a riddle, it's just a very short story. Here, we are using it as a framework to find a common language for communicating more advanced and abstract concepts without increasing word length or adopting terminology. :} Why didn't you add to GO-P? What does that mean to you? Let me say this - you cannot be wrong with the Overseer's story. There is no wrong answer to your question.

      Before I sent it to Obscure, in my thoughts, 'Well, what do you think? You think this will do?' Quickly, I got a message, 'It's not perfect! It's not perfect!' I smiled, thought, 'Thank you. That's what I thought, too.' Then I clicked send. Too late, I see line #4 was missing. There's that recurring theme again... there's a problem with #4. His message was repeated, so there's at least one more imperfection that takes from the story. If I knew what he was looking at, or pointing out at the time, then there would be no point to discussion. Right?

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  3. Already, I left something out. The fourth line should read...
    Peter [is] Oscar [the] Grouch [about this stuff].

    @Obscure, thanks again.

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  4. more questions7/16/12, 12:31 AM

    As always, nice work :)

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  5. Thank you for this post.

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    1. @Shayshay - You're welcome :)

      Wrap-UP for Case Study

      To the best of my knowledge, none of this has happened yet. All of this was witnessed in 'temporary'/future. Receiving this information is a use-it or lose-it miracle. I hope we continue to search and find nothing for a lifetime, knowing someone found a solution (the applied miracle).

      If everyone writes this in their journal, or diary, and keeps an eye or ear available, then maybe a few facts will help limit the loss. Tammy (not her real name) was victim #11. Victims #1 - #4 occurred without much public knowledge, and police hesitated to call this a serial event. The victims ranged from 4 to 8 yoa, all able to wear a size 6 dress. The dress size is more important than the age. All victims had dark blonde to light brown hair, (hazel) kaleidescope eyes (spots of various colors on blue, green, brown or grey). The daycare facility, a residential setting, was either a daycare home or a group home daycare. There appeared to be more than one worker available. The Overseer's companions/council mentioned Cincinnati. I only (strongly) assume it is Ohio. The man is a machinist by trade, and continued working each day.

      Overseer - 'This man, that strikes fear in the hearts of parents, has lived every lifetime as a fine upstanding member of any community, a strong family man, excellent work ethics, a perfect role model for anyone. This lifetime has been no different, until he lost his wife to illness in just a few days. He weathered the storm, and settled in to raise his daughter. There was a car accident, hit by a drunken driver. His daughter died immediately, but he wasn't aware of that.'

      [It's a long story here, but the end result was that the man was mentally/spiritually broken and no amount of fixing was going to make him better.]

      posted by pogamen 8/9/2012

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  6. the space between7/16/12, 9:24 AM

    Thank you for that blog, pogamen.

    If memory serves (and sometimes it doesn't) a few weeks ago you mentioned that 2 children were going to go missing. Whether I'm remembering correctly or not, when my husband read out loud that 2 girls went missing I immediately thought of you saying something.

    http://www.kgwn.tv/story/19031602/search-to-resume-for-missing-iowa-girls-8-and-10

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    1. Pogamen. Why is it you knew of the two girls that were going to go missing. Is it something you felt or witnessed or what. I am just really curious as to your predictions. Did you try to warn anyone, did you maybe see the area where you could report your sightings. Or is there more to your sightings that you are waiting for someone to figure out. Truely curious. And if you have no link other than being a seerer, what have you seen if anything of Ayla. Am somewhat new to this blog and your words have definately made me ask myself alot of questions, considering you predicted to the two girls missing but keep somewhat of an attitude when discussing Ayla and who is involved in her dissaperance. Excuse my spelling though I do try to catch misspelled words I sometimes miss. To say the least, my mind is spinning with a thousand questions for you. But will just satrt with these that are on this blog. Now I need to see if you answer this or just bypass it. That will say alot about you also.

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  7. Long ago you mentioned your messages about Ayla and haste because of a future case that would take two and not one young girls at the same time.

    I saw this this morning

    http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/07/16/12763235-family-clings-to-hope-as-hundreds-search-for-missing-young-iowa-cousins?lite

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  8. Selena Johnson7/16/12, 11:48 AM

    I have wondered about the two missing as well. Thank you for posting POG. I appreciate your staying to continue what you have started.

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    1. Off topic but meant for Selena8/5/12, 8:30 PM

      @Selena and all others wanting to know - I said I would post pieces of my crime tip to discuss the points in more detail. I withdraw from that offer/discussion for now. I believe the truth of what I've reported, and will always provide LE my reasoning behind each complaint. My memories continue to be vivid and solid, unchanged, not fluid. Occassionally, a little more detail is publicly revealed that reconfirms the correctness of what I've seen.

      When I mentioned the handgun - and drew verbal fire from outsiders - it caused me to consider other aspects that I previously shrugged off as unrelated and irrelevant. The handgun will be a simple matter for LE, so I won't trespass there. But then, we have the disclaimers of a closet/shelves in the one and only bathroom of a private residence. Either it doesn't exist, it's been removed, or it's been stolen, too! Stolen... That's a mighty big overcoat pocket you have there, not-grandma! I want to share my frustration with you by explaining why I mentioned a bathroom closet as an unquestioned fact, having never physically been inside or near Ayla's home of Dec. 16, 2011. This is why...

      All of this is paraphrased to shorten and expedite for meaning...

      One roommate to Justin D, 'Don't say anything to him. Let me tell him. I always wanted to say the good news/bad news routine.'
      Same roommate to other roommate, 'I've got good news and bad news... Power tools is[are] moving out.'

      Justin D came home with plans for improvement. The women are fussing about lack of space and need some place to put their things.
      Elisha to Courtney, 'Maybe if you talk to him, you can make him understand.'
      Plus, a child complains because of the 'air-sprayer'.
      Problem solved, everybody should be happy, Justin is the hero, bathroom now has a place for 'things' and 'stuff'. Not so fast, hero.

      Courtney to Jusin D - She explained 'facts of life' - one bathroom is not enough for so many adults and children. 'Things' and 'stuff' have other meanings besides toiletry items. Women and children have to do 'things' and take care of 'stuff' in the bathroom that takes time. She asked what he and Lance did when they were younger and two females lived in the house. [I'm not sharing his response, but it wasn't acceptable to Courtney.]

      Courtney to Justin D, 'If you could build that closet, then certainly you can add another bathroom?'

      I saw a man (Justin or a handiman) working with power saw and plywood while Courtney was sitting on a couch/chair nearby, reading a textbook. She looked up and said, 'Man over board,' as she observed the man bent over the plywood while using the saw. This may have been a handiman or one of Justin's roommates, but I considered the identity irrelevant. Now, not so much.

      When the closet is closed, it does look like a natural wall. Justin's design, and use of space, was impressive.

      However, it appears that I may have watched Justin's imagination? while he carried on pretend conversations with Courtney? and he imagined his sister and Courtney talking? and is so paranoid that he thinks a child is joining in with the women to remove his superhero status?

      I didn't know any of these people, but this sort of witnessing is how I did come to know them. The memories are still solid. There is another item, not mentioned anywhere, missing from that bathroom on Dec 16, too.

      Are you feeling my frustration yet?

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    2. Selena Johnson8/6/12, 9:38 PM

      There is a space for things as you walk into the bathroom to ones left. The wall at one point was left open so that the articles could be reached from the hall or the bathroom.I really didnt pay attention the last time I was there if this was finished or not....I dont think I used the bathroom. hmmmmm.

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      This is the complete content from one of CC's emails to me...
      Please note:
      No bathroom closet,
      No handgun, and
      No picture left behind.
      I know, for fact, and now so do U.
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      It was reinforced by someone (else?) with a similar blog comment about 'no closet'.

      I should rephrase my complaint. 'Closet' = 'space for things to the left'. Regardless of nomenclature, there was a pre-existing bathroom space that temporarily held more than toiletry items, and more than Justin D was made aware of.

      Selena, I should know better than to get my hopes up about being wrong. If a cornerstone is wrong, then the entire account is wrong. Game over - period. That means I can start looking for signs that my request for one more miracle is somehow do-able after I've been told why it's not going to happen. I agree that it's unwise and cruel. There are souls, that follow the Overseer, who go to great lengths to prove me wrong - pretty much about anything. It's been a useful tool, too. I would be happy on two fronts - a living Ayla's return to her family, and I have plenty of fodder for an excellent fiction mystery novel - an unending series of novels.

      If POLICE really want to know what happened to Ayla, they might want to question Sir Paul's owner. I'm not joking. Clearly, there is no effort to secure information that would lead to rescuing dozens of children - and I know why. I'm not joking.

      posted by pogamen 8/8/2012

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    4. Selena Johnson8/9/12, 1:20 PM

      Sir Paul? A pet?

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    5. pogamen,
      Can you help me in remembering something, or tell me if I'm remembering correctly? I *think* I remember a conversation you had with someone on this blog, ...someone who typed something about their *one eyed dog* being missing...you replied to the comment with advise about dogs. Later the person replied back to you that their dog had returned, and I can't help thinking that the person called their dog, Sir Paul. I've looked back for that exchange, but can't find it. It's just bugging me, and I'm not sure if I remember right.

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    6. @Selena and S.

      http://www.juststopthelies.blogspot.com/2012/06/please-ignore-for-graces-eyes-only.html#comment-form

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    7. Pogamen,
      Thanks so much. I was sure I remembered that. Very interesting to say the least. Matter of fact I'm going back to reread again. Some times I have to read something several times to get the ... a better understanding.

      That whole thread was an interesting thread.

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    8. Selena Johnson8/11/12, 1:33 AM

      Yes...I remember this conversation and I remember what you said in your tips...about this commentor. That would be something an administrator, who has tracking on their web site, could figure out maybe....or LE if they even cared...Im going to reread some of that. Thanks for the link Pog.

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    9. @Selena - 'or LE if they even cared'
      Be very careful. You're starting to sound like me.

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    10. Selena Johnson8/12/12, 10:52 PM

      I am sorry...Frustration sets in. I know they care about breaking the case.I know they care about AYLA. I dont think its because they dont care...I just see big mistakes and instead of rectifying them they toss them over their shoulder as it doesnt fit with what they think happened.

      You mentioned...Mennonites.There is a community in Unity.I just got done reading about their maple syrup harvest.You mentioned kidnapping babies for a supply of wives or something of the sort.( I forget things...not ideas...normally)You also brought up the point of this being a serial type of deal? Yet... TJP is a woman who is like a man...is she suppose to be part of this community? or a rogue of sorts and where does the liquid drugs come into play?

      Since you know me over the fence...why dont you kick my ass and tell me to help? That sounds funny but I am dead serious.Who am I over there? Someone that sweeps floors and doesnt care? Yeah....thats been bugging me...you would think with the importance of AYLA that I would do something other than just be there...dont you? Maybe that was stupid but it bothers me...

      It bothers me that you said that...Why did you say that? You are very careful with every word you write...you had a reason for saying it. Spill! No more secrets...remember? Everything comes into the light.

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  9. No matter what I feel about Ayla, I've always found your writings interesting.

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  10. Thank you, all, for your kind remarks on the opening post.

    Without advice from any direction, I made my decision about involvement in these cases. Put succinctly, going forward, I will not be involved with any of the abductions. I believe the resolution lies with closure for Ayla. The time I have available is better invested on Ayla's behalf. I don't know why LE is blind to the connection. They are either blind, or choose to be a 'Door Matt' refusing entrance through the door.

    You get 2500 characters to tell ICE what you need them to know. You only get one chance, because they aren't going to follow up. 2500 characters - one shot. I couldn't do it. It sounded like something from the psycho ward, alright. Finally, I did a 'cut and paste' on a few sentences and requested an email address so I can provide the rest of the information. No email addy rec'd. I'll make that comment public, too, if they can't put these children ahead of their own careers and ambitions. If that happens, I'll be taking you to a place you didn't expect.

    Correct me if I'm wrong - Isn't the purpose for this page to tear apart my 'crime tip'? If so, I'll set up a few posts on points that can be discussed.

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    1. I don't want to tear apart your crime tip, it was a disturbing read though. I did read to fast, as you told me. I have a bad habit of skimming. I used to do it on exams, two part question, but only answered the first part. Made me mad because I lost half the points, and I knew the answer!

      You certainly get my mind to thinking!!!

      signed:getrealpeople

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    2. Selena Johnson7/16/12, 9:14 PM

      My thoughts were to slowly unravel what you have sent to MSP. There are plenty of people who can find just about anything on these blogs. If its there it will be found.

      Things that can be checked out? You said an officer rides past the house to and from work in the direction of unity.That a woman is thought to be dead but isnt and someone is in prison for that....I think it is possible to tear the tips apart point by point.
      I think starting from the first points and go straight through them. I am interested in this. It is a stone. Every stone must be turned. Im with you POG.

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    3. @Selena - I'll break it in chunks and post them this weekend. The house I mentioned - Waldo County, in or near Unity, it can be seen from 139(?) but no connecting road. Large farm-type, rectangular 2-story home - like an old-timer's hotel (?), possibly abandoned (at least for some of the year).

      A policeman - has children to see, divorced (?). Maybe grandchildren, not sure. Takes the 'long' way around, instead of the shorter drive.

      It's so important for police to do the work and avoid contamination. If I had any drawing skills, I could draw a picture of the inside house layout, but I don't have the drawing skills of a preschooler. I don't know if Ayla is still there, but there would be forensic evidence.

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  11. Obscure, I know you don't like names mentioned, but this is in response to Pogamen's tip, and may help... In reference to the crime tip... TJP goes by the name Cara now and has for some time. You can find her on Lance's Myspace friends list... compare with the photos of the missing Ohio girl from 1983, Tiffany Jennifer Papesh. The age difference could be explained by the MPD/DID. In the pics, Cara looks as if she could be almost any age from mid-20s to early 40s. TJP is 41... Please look before you dismiss, for Ayla's sake.

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    1. more questions7/17/12, 7:14 AM

      That's a bold statement...Hope you know what you're doing.

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    3. I look at the woman's picture, she doesn't look like she was 40, she seems to be in the mid-20s

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    4. It relates to who was in the home Ayla was in the night she went missing.

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    5. Not use to this instant gratification here. The above comment should have been stated as a question. My apologies.

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    6. Do you mean that this woman, Cara, was in the house when Ayla disappeared ?

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    7. Anon, sorry, your last comment came out after I posted my question

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    8. I do believe that TJP has a daughter. Since most reasonable people already think I'm in the land of 'I see dead people and make-believe unicorns', I may as well throw that tidbit out here.

      I did plan to mention this if a time came that I could tell TJP's story.

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    9. Pogamen, so you are saying Tiffany Papesh who would be 41 if alive, has a daughter? Surely you are not insinuating that her daughter is CK? Or are you? Let's do the math: 41 - 26 = 15. It is possible. But is it true?

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    10. Selena Johnson7/22/12, 12:30 AM

      Pogamen.....no worries!! I see dead unicorns! ;P

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    11. more questions7/22/12, 12:42 PM

      With regard to Tiffany Jennifer Papesh

      If you have any information concerning this case, please contact:
      Maple Heights Police Department
      Sgt. Ehbar
      216-662-5884

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    12. @more questions, thank you for posting the contact info. I have no plans to contact anyone about this, or any other case. Legally, only the physical body is capable of an eye-witness account. A soul is not considered an eye-witness. Obadiah's Orb is not considered an eye-witness. I'm through trying to make a bridge to rescue people.

      @Anonymous 22.7.12, who says, ...Surely you are not insinuating...
      No, I'm not insinuating anything about any one particular individual. I haven't looked at the picture being discussed, and I didn't intend to go down this road in public.

      I want to give you a list of 'givens' as to my involvement with this subject matter, but first I must give a shout-out to someone...

      @Selena... ROFLMAO!

      List of personal 'givens' -
      1. I do not have a myspace/facebook/twitter or any other social networking account, and do not have plans to acquire an account.
      2. I do not visit other's social networking pages, unless I am not paying attention and click on a misleading link, at which time I exit the page.
      3. I did not know anything about TJP until my 'untoward' involvement with ABR. TJP's name came from TJP. Her appearance is as a man.
      4. Due to TJP's physical involvement with ABR, I became aware of TJP's plight - the circumstances of her abduction, the trauma of her captivity, and an extremely long list of related circumstances.
      5. In Feb/March, 2012, I visited the other sites dedicated to Ayla. I didn't go much further than the home page, because I didn't understand blog navigation. Now, I understand the navigation and do not visit the other sites. I had the name and state before confirming TJP's existence online.

      Imagine my thoughts when I read about her assumed death. In a way...

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  12. Thank you pogamen for the story.

    Was pog chosen because it was the first word heard?

    I think sometimes we forget that children are children and not adults and therefore don't always pay as much attention to them as we should. Papa Matt was left at the curb when working, but could have benefited from using Policeman Matt's listening skills at home, and also probably forgot that his princess of the Lord Sariah more than likely couldn't quite read Tammy's name on the milk carton, instead recognizing her picture on the carton as the girl through the fence at kinder.

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    1. @LucifersHand - pog was chosen for all of the reasons in this story, but primarily because we are playing Omega's game.

      Yes, Papa Matt! He made a conscious decision to do that. Those were Police Matt's thoughts. I don't recall seeing him return home during His story, but I'm sure he did the same thing going home. How very astute of you!

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    2. I keep coming back to your story...I'm drawn to the Omega game....end game? could you please explain more about this?

      "We had pushed the limits with the abductor" The Overseer makes this statement and it sounds like a direct implication...
      "we were running out of time" sounds collaborative.
      "We invested efforts to get the police dad" is self explanatory.
      "Me - 'Sometimes it works to just say it." I'm assuming here that your talking about getting police dad to read and remember.
      "Game Over - Period" gop=pog? Omega's game over. Again, would love to grasp your perspective and understanding :) I somehow imagine that I'm only understanding half of what your saying.

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    3. @LucifersHand, let me answer the easy questions, and I'll have to think about how to answer the other Q's.

      Me - Sometimes it works to just say it.

      That was my line, in response to the Overseer 'beating around the bush' trying to find 'polite' words that disguise anger or disappointment at one's self (not at another). I should have added more elipses to point out His hesitation for saying what He wanted to say. Game Over - Period. That was His decision to end His involvement in this matter. Here, I'm giving 'getrealpeople' a clue about this part of the story.

      Oh, you understand more than half of what I'm saying. How can you get any further without knowing the rest of the story? Or at least the basics of the story? Kudos to all of you for that.

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    4. Thank you for taking your time to respond pogamen.

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    5. the tough questions7/23/12, 10:48 PM

      LucifersHand, I'm drawn by curiousity for your choice in screen name. I know something about the name - Lucifer - that predates man's fiddling with original written works. That old-time Lucifer is not a person/soul. It, too, was a pseudonym, which was part of a message that carried multiple meanings to allies during a battle. Omega has many names, has lived many lives among many different peoples of different worlds that He either created, or helped to create. Where is it written - war in heaven...on earth as it is in heaven? Why? Did you know that Peace is not only a concept, but also a Lord's name? Some of the personalities I mention in my comments have current lives. They exist today, and function as they always have. While this isn't the place to make this a discussion, it has everything to do with Omega's dominion and the life-sapping war that was never over. I do not wish to appear puny before my Lord. That will have to do for an explanation for Omega's game.

      Okay - pushed the limits, running out of time, investment - all refer to what I did not mention. The abductor is a serial killer with a known MO that was like clockwork until Tammy came along.

      Even though I know the actual circumstances cannot be replicated by suggestion, the more I write, the more likely someone will attempt to do that. Understand? That is one reason why I omitted the case study. The other reason has to do with chronology. It hasn't happened yet.

      The truth draws attention to itself.

      LucifersHand, I think you know way more than you admit to yourself.

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    6. Again thank you pogamen for your explanation of Omega.

      "even though I know the actual circumstances" - I understand - I'm glad you refrained.

      I understand the power of words written and symbolic. A word can create or destruct, but always leaves an imprint. We are all impressionable.

      If Lucifer is looked at closer, then there is far more attachment to its meaning. I know you understand.

      We all have an internal model of reality and many have chosen lucifer as a symbol of evil. A convenient place to lay blame when one doesn't wish to be responsible for their own actions - can you imagine a more dysfunctional model? I chose the opposite.

      Without great detail, I choose to view Lucifer as a loyal servant of the Lord and acts on our conscience/punishes those that are evil. More importantly I chose the name in support of illumination for we have the tools to think and analyze.

      Who knows, maybe I'm backwards living in an upside-down model.

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  13. Does anyone else remember mamamen saying that two girls would be abducted in broad daylight. It would be another high profile case. I was watching television early this morning when the Jane Velez-Mitchell on HLN was reporting the disappearance of two missing girls (cousins). Which took place on Friday the 13 (07/13/12) http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/​_news/2012/07/16/​12763235-crews-drain-lake-as-se​arch-continues-for-young-iowa-​cousins?lite Updated at 5:28 p.m. ET: Crews resumed searching Monday for two Iowa girls who disappeared on Friday afternoon. Over the weekend, nearly 1,000 volunteers combed a 12-mile area around Evansdale, Iowa, where the girls were last seen around noon, riding their bikes.

    Authorities said late Sunday that there were no indications of foul play in the disappearances of Lyric Cook-Morrissey, 10, of Waterloo and Elizabeth Collins, 8, of Evansdale but they were not ruling anything out.

    The girls' bikes were found later in the day on Friday near a bike trail, the Quad-City (Iowa) Times reported. Elizabeth's purse and a non-working cell phone she used to play games were also found

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  14. Unknown Soul7/17/12, 1:12 PM

    Thank you Obscure. @ Pogamen, Thank you for explaining POG. :)

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  15. the space between7/17/12, 6:24 PM

    Bonnie, "Cara" is referring to the tips that pogamen sent to LE. Those appear toward the bottom of the "Today's the Day" blog (last blog of June). "TJP goes by the name Cara now and has for some time." - The commenter didn't explain how s/he knows that as fact. I'm also not sure what the commenter means that the age difference could be explained by multiple personality disorder or dissociative identity disorder.

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    1. Thanks, the space between. I was wondering what MPD?DID meant!

      signed:getrealpeople

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    2. the space between7/17/12, 7:38 PM

      getrealpeople - I had to highlight it, right click, then google search... and then... I still didn't understand the statement.

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  16. They are searching the river again :(

    http://bangordailynews.com/2012/07/17/news/mid-maine/divers-return-to-kennebec-river-in-search-of-ayla-reynolds/

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  17. Another reason I comment online is to reach out to people knowing something more than what physical senses detect. Intimidated, shy, reclusive, unsure - any number of reasons for silence when the information is gained in an untoward manner. In a small way, Ayla helped me to see they only needed a nudge to come forward. They don't need to blog or pass out flyers, they only need to sort out the factual bits and pieces and send it to LE. That's all. If LE is unresponsive, that is their problem. A reward isn't going to encourage these people; in fact, it silences them. I feel the same way about that. I understand not wanting to be involved, avoiding publicity, and risking false accusations. My stories were written to be 'palatable'. They aren't symbolic; they are very real. I did not explain how these things happened, or why, but they are relevant to Ayla's life and my cherished time spent talking to her.

    Next, I am attaching a thread copied from Ayla's page. There's a piece of trash that flew in from someone else's blog - a frequent flyer - that will need the last word. The last word. The only last word acceptable is 'yield'.

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    [Ok, I know this has been up for awhile and I was just rereading stuff. . . these rantings of pogman come across to me as a child molester explaining how he molests little children. . .this is very sick and I can't believe you have been letting this person write on your blog. WTF
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    [@AnonymousWTF, Yes, it's been up for months. You say you've read it before, but didn't comment. Shame on you for keeping your opinion to yourself for so long. Your evaluation seems intentionally provocative, and it does make me wonder why now? Spare us your bee shit. Don't go half measures - what, exactly, makes you think this was written by a child molester or has anything to do with causing harm to a child? If you are simply uneducated, or wanting to incite, let's take it to a different page. Your insight sucks - I'm not a man.
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    [Whether your a man or a woman your words come across to me a a child molester! Since when have child molesters been just men????? Interesting!
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    [@Anonymous 14:33, read your own words, or must I translate them, too?

    [You say '...these rantings of pogman come across to me as a child molester...' and I still question, 'What, exactly, makes you think this was written by a child molester or has anything to do with causing harm to a child?'

    [You say '...explaining how he molests...' and I replied, 'Your insight sucks - I'm not a man.' There's really no need to explore your insight any further than that. My revelation of my gender simply allowed you to broaden your uneducated horizon and improve your rumor. Before you commented, this page already contained a post that revealed my gender. Maybe a third read is required? What else did you miss? Or add?

    [Now, you compounded your ignorance with an uneducated response in addition to spelling/grammar errors in an assessment that doesn't permit such luxury. This is how I know you are not a professional, not even a teacher. At this point, it's only fair to say that your comprehension is outclassed and overmatched. Do you yield?

    [I know you must have the last word, so I'll copy this thread to the page Obscure set up for such things - click on the rightmost button that says 'Find it here...' I'm 'it'.
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    1. Apparently, my attempt to goad or dare Anonymous has failed. I hoped he/she would explain the logical thought behind the 'child molester' claim. This line of reasoning has quickly developed a following because there are others that can understand and accept this simple claim. Please, if you have followers, the least you should do is lead. I have 'raised you up by lending you my soapbox'.

      Let me help you get started, since we already know your insight is nonexistent. First, you must understand your audience. In this case, you are usurping a large percentage of young grandmothers and stay-at-home moms/homemakers - a most overlooked demographic and powerful social base; they are connectors, but few actually comment. They're quick to learn, use first impressions with little error, and constantly seek updates/improvement for interacting/teaching their children and grandchildren.

      Second, it's safe to read about subjects that create curiosity - this is why they visit. You made the initial comment (here) that I knew to expect. It's a little late, but still a good subject. Peek at the future - I plan on taking your horse away from you and riding it into that place I promised, where you wouldn't expect Ayla's story to go.

      Please use this soapbox to explain to your followers, and others, how you could derive that my writings show me to be a child molester. Explain, please. We all want to know how you arrived at your logical conclusion. We all want to learn from you.

      Don't worry about my feelings, I already know exactly who and what I am, and your words have no personal affect. I am offended that you and others have used Ayla's page for that, but whatever. It was someone else's trash that blew in. I hope to find value in it.

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  18. I hope you keep posting pogamen...I like a break from the monotony and normality of everyday life and occasionally getting to read your stories.

    I know your health is mentioned above, but it keeps coming to mind, I hope you are well :)

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    1. @LucifersHand, my posts will probably continue in a haphazard, inconsistent way. I'm coming to terms with my own decision to refrain from giving info in these cases once they have manifested. We always worked 'preventive' and it should stay that way. Win some, lose some. Catch the losses on the other side. There's a wrap-up story to Matt's situation, but I want to wait on word from 'getrealpeople' (done thinking about the first part, or not) before publishing it. Then the story about the direction I have alluded to, which can wait for the AnonymousWTF to teach us how to identify child molesters. Surely, you would agree that is a lesson worth waiting for?

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    2. Selena Johnson8/6/12, 9:32 PM

      pogamen,

      If I take photographs of the farm houses, will you be able to identify the house? I have been warned by different people not to travel that route. If this is something that will help I will most assuredly do it.Lets just say there are plenty of undesirables living out this way.

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    3. Selena Johnson,

      I have seen your photography and you take wonderful photographs. It is true we dont see eye to eye on Ayla's case, it does not mean that I can not ask you to please becareful out there. Dont go alone, although I dont sence you afraid of much. I hope Pogamen returns soon with a answer and hope she is okay with the possiblitity of identifing the home. Ayla has been missing for far to long. Time for some solid evidence in this case.

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    4. @Selena, if I beg, would you please stay away from that area? I'm begging now. Please don't do that. Not everything in that area has to do with Ayla, and some of those people won't be thinking about a search for a missing child. They have their own secrets. Please hold off on that for now. Selena, there are others looking for the house in a way that doesn't jeopardize physical safety - I'm not talking about 'spirit stuff'.

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    5. Selena Johnson8/8/12, 11:46 PM

      *sighs* I want answers....This is something that can be done....I have been warned to stay away from the area by loved ones.I just want answers.I will wait...for now. I suppose everyone concerned, no matter their opinions, would want to do something more physical, to look for AYLA, than stuffing envelopes and passing out stickers. There is a lot of frustration building....
      I look at my Grand baby...and I cant stop the tears because Phoebe cant hold AYLA...or read her a book...feed her something new to watch her reaction...say prayers....run back in the room because of big scary something in the closet...decide to scoot her over and lay with her till she falls asleep...feel her breath on her cheek as she drifts off....kiss a sleeping brow...wiggle outta her grasp without waking her...

      I know the feeling of my Grand baby reaching for me from anothers arms...She may love her parents but Grammy and Grandpa are special...and she makes us feel that way. I want to give that back to my AYLA and my sister...I want to give that back to my nephews and niece...
      Yes,solid evidence for everyone CUL8TR.
      Getting to emotional here.Sleep should help a bit.
      Pogamen...please take care of yourself.Past posts have made me worry as well about you.

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    6. Selena, it takes a strong person to go out and look not knowing what they may find but it takes a stronger person to wait. I can't imagine how I would react in such a situation but I would probably be far more reckless. You have my complete respect. I pray everyday for Ayla and her family that this will be over....

      Pogamen, I like to think that in today's day that it takes a lot more than a person's "rantings" to make the assumption that a he/she is a molester. I would have said that you may seem somewhat eccentric but from what I understand about eccentricity is that that type of person views the world from a spherical perspective (many directions at once) and that it is harder for us average people to understand that. There are going to be people who think the way you "see" things are just downright crazy and that is okay. But then there are going to be some who are interested in listening to your so-called eccentric perspective. Some of the greatest people in history have been called terrible things but that didn't stop them leaving a legacy behind.

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    7. Selena Johnson8/9/12, 1:32 PM

      @ Luci,

      I dont think anyone can imagine what it is like to be in anothers shoes. You dont know how appreciative I am for those of you...no matter your opinions...for your understanding of my position.It may seem silly to some but the support is welcome and sometimes the only means of keeping what sanity can be gotten from it all.I pray the same, Luci. If I hurt like this for AYLA, I cant imagine others pain. Each day that passes is a day closer to answers. Thank you.

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    9. the space between8/11/12, 2:50 PM

      Selena 23:46 - deeply moving - beautifully expressed

      If you need/want help with anything let me know.

      @ Luci and KJ - I also don't always get it in terms of my experience. It reminds me of being in a group psychic reading, and the phrasing that comes through for others that I don't understand, but if the reading is for them (and the psychic has merit) they understand. I know pogamen says she is not a psychic, but that's my frame of reference. I have enough experience with things that defy "normal" explanation to know, and accept, that those things (and certainly much more) exist without requiring me to understand it all.

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    10. Selena Johnson8/11/12, 10:08 PM

      Thanks Space,

      Was just tired and being emotionally driven in life anyways...took it out here. You are doing everything I need by posting your thoughts on this site. Thanks. :)

      ...although I do have an electricity bill. ;P

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    11. @KJ - It's not symbolic. And I'm not a psychic. :) By that I mean to say that I don't necessarily have control over what I see. If you want to know where your missing cat is, I recommend going to WalMart and purchasing a magic 8 ball to find the answer. It would have more accuracy than I would. Plus, they now come in a variety of colors; not just black, but pink, blue, white, green - I haven't seen an orange one yet, so I'm saving my money.

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      News headlines:

      Etan Patz Case: NYPD Officials 'Absolutely Certain' Pedro Hernandez Is The Killer
      -> Before I could copy the link, the page was removed - Huffington Post.

      Police seek more evidence in NYC Etan Patz case
      http://online.wsj.com/article/AP43eb95d25ae24af5acfdbe929af1f9fb.html
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      Following [untoward] connections opened by people associated with Ayla's disappearance, I found dozens of people believed to be missing/abducted. Some are adults, now involved in child abductions and drug trafficking. Some are children that nobody is looking for. Some of these children are political/graft hostages. Some of these children have grown up and mainstreamed themselves in the adult world.

      Etan Kalil Patz - I saw him [in an untoward way]. He's a man associated with traffickers. I didn't know anything about Etan, or his name. I heard one man say his name, 'Etan'. I think, 'So what? A lot of people could have that name.' Then, I watched an event that placed Etan in Minnesota (recently). He met with a man that was long-time familiar with Etan. This man called Etan by another name, 'Kalil'. Okay, so now I think, 'Etan Kalil, that's something worth searching.' I wasn't interested in discovering Etan's identity. He had a bus with boys on it; they were waiting for Etan to see his 'friend' for money. Etan had a helper, a young adult/older teen, to keep the boys in line while Etan was gone. I found the helper's picture on the missing children's website, too. I found two teens that were taken as compliance hostages. Etan almost died at this location on a previous trip. He killed the boy that attacked him, after the boy escaped and was returned by a uniformed guard (I won't go so far as to say he was LE, but probably a local security guard.) The boy's body was still hidden, right where Etan put him, until more recently. LE may not believe in these untoward ways, but the criminal element knows the truth of it. I believe the last comments on Ayla's page triggered activity. We must sort this out, we need a place to report these visions, impressions, or whatever. They are pieces to a puzzle, too.

      Don't you get it yet? The police have their man. All they want is more evidence to support their theory - good luck to them and the horse they rode in on. I have no outlet to provide information for these things. Would you like the CrimeStopper's hotline? That's an oxymoron, there's no stop to it.

      Like I said, 'It's not symbolic.' These connections are things Ayla, and others, are giving us. There's more.

      @Selena - hang on. I understand. There's something happening.

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    13. @M-I-M - no cat - better than LOL, that was good AND funny.

      I wrote a funny explanation and chose not to post it. We tried to help others see clearly, unfettered of personal opinion or bias. There are quite a few people with some of this information, more pieces to the puzzle. In all seriousness, I get information because I want an answer to my quesion. This is not the case with events over the last 8 - 10 years. It's much more complicated, and psychic ability is too small. That much, we have learned.

      Here's a shorter explanation - It's because the minute He leaves, He misses me. That's what He said. It's because of Psalms - He taketh hold of my soul and yanketh me right up to sit with Him atop a palm tree, and says, 'I heard you were needing a date.' When I'm witnessing something 'terrible', that would be me shouting, 'I need a date, get me a date, a time, a place name.'

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    15. @M-I-M/KJ - Easy answer: No.

      And now, a long example: I asked Jude about talking to his people that were living today and getting some of them to help (do drop in to say 'hi' but don't drop this shit at my feet and leave). He giggles, I giggle, and we talk about possible solutions to whatever He is working on at the time. It was His turn to babysit me (no, I don't care to explain).

      One day, Jude said, 'I sacrificed my best warrior because I wanted to talk to one of my people.' Jude found the man, I'll call him Harvey, and began by introducing Himself to Harvey. Harvey was immediately raptured. Jude never touched Harvey. In life, Harvey is tough, street smart, maybe a prior criminal record, but I'm fairly sure there was some drug dealing and other activity that comes from making a living on the street. At first sight, Harvey took a knee and redevoted himself, declaring his fealty to Jude. They talked for a while, Jude showed him how to fold his pocket handkerchief, and asked him to wear it so that others would know who he is.

      When Jude left Harvey, the world wasn't the same anymore. Everything was out of sync. Colors were glaring beacons, tiny noises can be heard from long distances, a strength in the body that isn't natural. The biggest change was when Harvey saw other people. They looked at him as if they knew him, but they were strangers. They appeared to pull apart to Harvey, turning away, but part of the person is still looking at him. Harvey went berserk that day. He killed several people before being apprehended and arrested.

      No, I do not believe we all have the same connections and abilities. Individuals - thus, individuality. You may not believe that Jude exists. His more recent name is Jesus Christ. You may not believe that Jesus exists. It doesn't really matter what anyone believes - it doesn't change the truth. Harvey took the stand during his trial - his testimony was in truth. It was too much to sacrifice.

      It is your [others] family that is asking my family to show them how things are done. Not why, only how.

      KJ, you have a question on another page - I'll reply here. It's not difficult knowing what happened while others stumble in the dark. It's difficult because too much has been sacrificed, and it's not done.

      posted by pogamen 8/14/2012

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    16. @pogamen - spiritually speaking - "It doesn't really matter what anyone believes - it doesn't change the truth." SPOT ON

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    17. @ Selena if it is your family members that have told you not to go look, you should probably look because they probably know what is hidden there. . . no you have me wondering.

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    19. Selena Johnson8/16/12, 1:42 AM

      Did I say my loved ones was Justin. No. So dont go down that road. sheesh.

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  19. Ummmm.... I see no
    Lesson
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    From a person who speaks no truth to
    Back up a
    Claim such as Pogamen being a child molester. Waste of time.

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  20. Pogamen = Bob Vear

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    1. Anonymous 12:59, who states, 'pogamen = Bob Vear'
      If Bob is using 'pogamen' as a screen handle on another blog, I'm okay with that since I don't comment, plan to comment, or visit the other blogs. However, if he is using 'pogamen' to comment on this site (which he has not), I would ask him to append the handle to establish his own anonymous identity. Pogamen is my anonymous identity on this blog. If he really wants to steal someone's identity, he can easily do that by selecting 'Anonymous' instead of 'Name/URL' (which is what he has been doing). I don't see a problem here.

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  21. Selena Johnson8/16/12, 10:10 PM

    4. Handgun - there's a lot of angst about this. Fact - Justin DiPietro did NOT own or possess a handgun. He was NOT aware that the handgun was in his home. TJP would have found the mushrooms, too, but there was a noise outside the bathroom door, which caused TJP to exit - finding nobody outside the door. Also, I corrected a misspelled word - left.

    Justin Linnel = noise

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    1. @Selena, I believe yes. Do you see why no 'extra' effort was made to stop him? His words... You caught me *red-handed* ...mean a lot to Justin L.

      Sometimes things don't work out so good.

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  22. Selena,

    Why do you believe that J.L.= noise? Can you elaborate on your comment?

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  23. Selena Johnson8/18/12, 12:51 AM

    @ CUL8TR16:44
    Its easier when things are all together.
    ..this may help you to understand my reasoning.


    pogamen20:38
    @M-I-M/KJ - It didn't take preknowledge or a Magic 8 ball to know what your reply would be!

    ...pogamen, are you saying you were at the house that night and saw Ayla with your own eyes?... YES

    ...If you were in the home and saw her yourself, I would believe she was there... My self DID see her, yet you doubt. I knew this was too easy. You lied.

    ...Of course, that would make me wonder, if you are not close family/friend, why were you in the house?... I even provided additional explanation, yet you still doubt.

    Okay, then. I'm going to give you the name of a not-friendly witness who can also testify that Ayla was, in fact, asleep in the bed on the night of Dec. 16, 2011. It's a combo person (mix family with a squirt of friend and season with negativity). This person did nothing to wake/touch/harm/bother Ayla Reynolds on that night.

    Justin Linnell.

    If that doesn't pass your highness test, I can only say ... did you pay for that 8-ball in your pocket?

    posted by pogamen 8/14/2012
    pogamen00:35
    @S. - Everything you write, and all that you do in the background, has value to me. What's your perspective on this? -->

    I believe...
    Justin Linnell is an enigma. Even when it's in his own best interest to lie or say nothing, he tells the truth. He's violent, manipulative, lazy, irresponsible, and honest. [I must stop, I'm getting that behind-the-eye headache just thinking about this.]

    I wrote about Justin L. because he is not involved in Ayla's disappearance, and I would come to his defense if he is accused of involvement of any kind. But he was in that house. He did not come for Gabby; he came for something of value that was supposed to be on Phoebe's dresser. He didn't find what he was looking for. He did notice a window that was still unlocked, because he left it unlocked when he lived there (in case he needed a speedy entry). From there, he went towards Ayla. He had no problem knowing she wasn't Gabby. He got snagged on, or tripped over, something that ended his brave forage into the dark. Then, he saw someone's shadow from under the bathroom door, which led to his departure.

    That's the short story. If Justin L. would have sunk into the shadows instead of bolting, he would be the hero. I mention him now because he is honest, and I would believe whatever he claims to have seen that night.

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  24. Selena,

    I agree that when things are put together it is much easier to understand. it has help me to understand your reasoning. (Noise = JL) My thoughts on this if he was there that night would he really be honest enough to admit it? He would be opening himself up to the possible prosecution for violating a Protection Order that ED had put on him. Correct? Another thought if this is true though maybe he knew the version told about the events that evening were not true. Hense his running his mouth on FB (although im not sure what all he said about the D family) and then comes LD to defend his families name. This would have been JL's only way of saying what he really could not say without incrimination himself.

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  25. Selena Johnson8/21/12, 8:32 PM

    @ CUL8TR05:58

    Correct. hmmmm It would be taking a chance at being tossed in jail.Li wasnt fooling around at that point. I think if it were known he was there, they would have called LE.I havent read what he has said on fb either.Lance was the one I got my information from about the reasons why Linnel and he got into it.

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    1. Selena, I would like to speak for Justin L for a moment, without his knowledge. I believe that Li and Gabby were not in the home at that moment, and I believe Justin L knew that. I know it doesn't make a difference legally, but there's more to this than meets the eye. He could have been stopped, easily. In fact, he was. When you talk face-to-face to Peter Castowary, you know you're dead. I know it's hard to believe, but maybe not entirely. Elisha saw something in him at one point that attracted her. I could see why. Youth is their enemy - and the drug culture. When you shake hands with Peter, the truth is like an infection. Justin L was probably having a lot of trouble NOT talking.

      Selena, he would have stayed. His heart was beating so fast, so hard, that's all he could hear and he was convinced that others could hear. He was right. Peter was worried about that, too. There's no virtue in saving a life by taking another. Please consider my words on behalf of Justin L. Today, it may be only a dream to him, and maybe not. I am NOT advocating for a relationship renewal - that would be bad.

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    2. Who on earth is Peter Castowary? Another riddle?

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    3. @Anonymous - Yes, it's a riddle.

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  26. Furry Boots and Fuzzy Math8/27/12, 7:10 PM

    http://www.kjonline.com/news/Maine-delegate-addresses-thousands-at-Ron-Paul-rally-in-Tampa.html

    Mainer, 21, brings rally for Ron Paul to its feet

    Ron Paul and his supporters vent their frustration with the Republican Party leadership.

    By Kevin Miller kmiller@mainetoday.com
    Washington bureau chief

    "... Many of those from Maine who lost their seats as delegates or alternates will still be able to attend the convention thanks to Iowa's delegation, which has listed them as guests..."

    Underhanded, illegal practices and voting irregularities happen in Alaska, too. It seems to be prevalent across the nation. One commenter asked if a Republican could help. Please do not be so naive as to think the Democrats are the only illegal and irregular groups to be found.

    I am more than curious about the furry boots woman and friends. I hope McKenna investigates/talks to these people, and then writes his findings. If Ben McCannot, maybe someone else will.

    -------------------

    Now I'm ready to give MHO about Tori Gifford.
    1. What electic company allows any individual to run up a bill in the thousands of dollars? IMO and experience - NONE.
    2. What sort of power does $2K buy? IMO and no experience - MUSCLE.
    3. Warrants aren't served for shoplifting. But that's not what the police gave you, right Tori? IMO - make an honest woman out of you and help define your private business by being your first legitimate customer that purchased power with cash.

    And now for more of MHO:
    1. Tori, you are aware that pandering online is illegal, are you not?
    2. Tori, I think they had to threaten to break your finger at the shoulder to get that ring off your finger for Dove Day. Am I right?
    3. Personal Q - Did they give back the ring?

    posted by pogamen 8/27/2012

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    1. oops... electric for 'electic'

      Stay tuned for occassional updates of weird and wacky news.

      posted by pogamen 8/27/2012

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    2. Well, much as I hate to say anything that remotely supports that woman... it is quite possible to have such a high electric bill. If you were to go through 4 months of winter without a physical read on your meter (it definitely happens), and it's a harsh season ; you have a burnt out mechanism in your system causing the auxiliary heat to constantly run (and you don't catch it and make a repair) ; or some other mitigating factor... you could later be hit with a bill more than $1000. In these cases the company would generally set up a payment arrangement. Additionally, they do try to work with people so as not to leave them in the cold.

      I have no idea how hers got to be that much but she certainly had no business calling others who were making no money on the situation "scam artists " while she herself was doing exactly that.

      Now... I'm very interested in the congressmen situation.

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  27. Pogamen,

    I can tell you only cause I know someone whose electricity bill has gotten out of control. That yes it does happen, that electric companies do have customers whos electricity bills have reached thousands of dollars. We are not talking about in one monthly bill yet over a course of several months to years.

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    1. CUL8TR, do you have the utility company names involved? And is there a competitor?

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    2. Central Maine power and bangor hydro are the two electricity providers in Maine

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    3. unless Pogamen was implying that the power usage was high due some not entirely within legal limits activity? That's the first thing I thought of with a high electric bill and I color in the lines. Of course it may be kosher if one is certified like BB in the state of Maine.

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  28. Obscure, sorry to bother you. Just wondering if there is a setting somewhere that will allow loading of posts after they hit the 200 mark. Thanks g.g.

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  29. Is there an adjustment that one can make to view comments when they reach over 200? Thanks in advance

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  30. Moved from Other Page8/30/12, 6:59 AM

    Anonymous 8/29/12 2:34 AM
    Pogamen,

    Please
    ask
    if
    Mothers
    are
    Natural?

    Thanks!

    In response: Pictionary.

    <<<< MAN >>>>

    You were playing with Him and got a mental picture of a mother, natural glow, alot of details. We usually call it 'picture flipping'. There's a long story about this, but this isn't the place to tell it. He enjoyed the game.

    He has a question for you... Did He win?

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  31. Pogamen,

    The utility company's name is Central Maine Power aka CMP or Bangor Hydro Electric Company aka BHE. There are different options as far as who you get your power supply from yes. If you stick with the company located in Maine http://www.electricityme.com/ then your Eletricity is cheaper. If you go with one of the out of state suppliers then you will pay more for your electricity. Which ever supplier you choose does not change the fact that you still remain a customer of CMP or BHE. They work directly with CMP and BHE, suppling the electricity and CMP OR BHE delivers it to the customer. Hope that helps.

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  32. CUL8TR, thank you. It'll give me something to research next month; that and ConEd.

    @both Anonymous's above - thank you.

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  33. Unknown Soul9/7/12, 5:02 AM

    @ Pogamen, I'm sorry to see you are not here. Thank you for sharing all your spiritual insights with us. Peace
    @Anom & #2, you give to much credit to Bob Vear !

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  34. BRING POGAMEN BACK!!!!

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    1. I could not have said it better myself cul8tr. Pog, it's time!

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  35. The following may well be the most controversial dilemma in the history of decision theory:

    A superintelligence from another galaxy, whom we shall call *Omega*, comes to Earth and sets about playing a strange little *game*. In this game, Omega selects a human being, sets down two boxes in front of them, and flies away.

    Box A is transparent and contains a thousand dollars.
    Box B is opaque, and contains either a million dollars, or nothing.

    You can take both boxes, or take only box B.

    And the twist is that Omega has put a million dollars in box B if Omega has predicted that you will take only box B.

    Omega has been correct on each of 100 observed occasions so far - everyone who took both boxes has found box B empty and received only a thousand dollars; everyone who took only box B has found B containing a million dollars. (We assume that box A vanishes in a puff of smoke if you take only box B; no one else can take box A afterward.)

    Before you make your choice, Omega has flown off and moved on to its next game. Box B is already empty or already full.

    Omega drops two boxes on the ground in front of you and flies off.

    Do you take both boxes, or only box B?
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    McCausland: “We felt it was important that the public understand some specifics of the investigation. We felt it was important that the public understand the *magnitude* of this investigation..."
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    Pogamen...come back, please.

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    1. none...... Life/happiness is not a win/lose game. It's about personal choices/decisions we make that bring about our happiness or sadness. The only rewards worth having are those we create for ourselves. McCausland's statements can be understood to mean everything or nothing. Perhaps thats the point.

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    2. For the MSP et al, it may be a choice between a small reward if they "jump the gun" (Box A) versus a larger reward (Box B) if they bide their time. Omegas Game=Newcomb's Problem and Regret of Rationality?

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    3. Newcomb

      Reasonable decision; Box A; would it not be reasonable to deduce that by “jumping the gun” with (less evidence=lesser charge) MSP achieves 2 goals; 1) preventing a like occurrence 2) MSP et al, is in a most advantageous position to achieve that larger reward, Box B in the future?

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    4. Aye, an interesting perspective and a reasonable decision.

      Omega's Game as portrayed, is a binary choice, at one point in time. Essentially, all or none.

      Life is not always like that. Small investments can yield greater future rewards. It's not always the Letter of the Law, as it were. It's not really something I had considered from an LE point of view.

      Lin, thanks for your thoughts.

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    5. @Newcomb - I'm going to walk around with a smirk on my face for days over this! I should just shut up! about Box A and Box B, but... neither of the boxes belong to me, so both will be there when the owner returns.

      But about McCausland's statement - the wording disturbed me. Perhaps I incorrectly interpreted the scope and sequence of his statement. Are we here to seek redress/closure for events that affect a toddler, or do we cast a broader net and (potentially) collect bigger fish (using the toddler as... an excuse)?

      Thank you, Newcomb and Lin, for the discourse.


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    6. Pogamen; re box a or b, leave both, yes I agree.

      RE: McCausland's statement... My fear is; his vague statements, combined with all his other vague statements say a whole lot of nothing leading one to wonder if they are using ABR as an excuse to fish for some bigger prize.

      OR.....The possibility does exist that they know nothing AND are fishing with words in the hope that someone who knows will talk so they can show resolve.

      Yes, your right, we should be here to seek closure for ABR and her families indeed.

      Good to see you here pog

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    7. @Pog - A "smirk"? And for days? You need to finish some of the stories you've started.

      "McCausland's statement - the wording disturbed me"...

      Of all the information around in the blogs and media statements, McCausland's "magnitude" commnent is the main statement I've been trying to comprehend. Ayla, as an indivdual toddler is not a "magnitude". Several apparently disfunctional families in rural Maine is not a "magnitude" either.

      There is something about Box B I can't grok just yet. But I think that McCausland slipped when he said "magnitude".

      Absolutely, good to see you back, Pog.

      @Lin, please stay with us. You add value to this thread.

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    8. @Lin - ditto. And welcome!

      @Newcomb - It's not possible to discuss Ayla any further without intruding on areas that should be relevant to LE and not common knowledge. That wasn't my intention. For as much smack as I talk about LE, they are our hope for redress. I support their efforts, but also see they must work with multi-generational systemic problems.

      The smirk... Omega is always right because He cheats. And now I will correct my statement by saying it's not cheating, it's strategy (according to Omega). When the future and past are not obstacles, it's strategy. We used that simple binary choice to discuss the complexities of Ayla's situation. Ayla is Box A in all simulations; she is the only given.

      Imagine this. You need Box A. Box B is nearby and off to one side of Box A. As you move closer to Box A, Box B begins to move and you find that no matter how you approach Box A, Box B is in your way. If you touch Box B, then Box A will disappear. You focus on Box B, without touching, you see events of criminal activity taking place. You see and know the names and places, drug ring, ripe picking for LE. You back off and Box B relaxes. You find another approach, and the same thing happens. You peer into Box B and now you see a bus full of children being taken out of the country. Again, you know the names and places of people involved, but to touch it is to lose Box A. Frustration grows. You NEED Box A. Each approach from any direction is similar. Box B is the obstacle that shows your LE friends are conducting their own side-business. You pull back again, and again, and again.

      Newcomb, this is the decision that I made for that simulation... From afar, I say, 'I have no need of you. You have no need of me. In my love and respect for you, please go with Peace. Peace and His sister obliged my request, which is what they wanted in the first place. Box A is safe for now, and Box B has moved on, unchanged. The simulation operates on the presumption that Box B (all) must be resolved by placing the burden on the shoulders of a child (one). I recuse the child and hope the weight of Box B collapses on itself. I have no malice behind my words; it's just how I feel about it.

      Do you really want me to spoil the original Box A/B dilemma with explanation? I'm the one that says, 'People do love a good mystery.'

      Thank you both for the warm greetings.
      posted by pogamen 2/8/13

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    9. Pog - do not speak of anything you cannot or don't want to discuss. Boundaries are important.

      I totally respect all LE (except for corrupt ones, it does happen). They protect and serve, as that is their oath. They must also work within their own paradigm and within the constraints of legality.

      Omega is not about cheating..he/she is all about the strategy. Ayla *is* Box A. No question. "I have no need of you. You have no need of me" may be the most apt summation of the situation yet stated. Let's hope that Box A is safe and sound.

      No, please don't spoil the dilemma. The mystery is why I'm still here. Box B needs to be resolved for the greater good. And I suspect that Box B is bigger than a breadbox. But how can Box B just move on? Aren't there eyes around and about?

      Peace all,
      Newcomb

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    10. @Pog "I recuse the child and hope the weight of Box B collapses on itself".
      Yes pog that is how it should be. My question is this, could Ayla, be the one that finally forces us to face the truth, the one that makes us alter the rules so that the prospect of box B collapsing on itself is inevitable? ABR did not put herself in this position; society did by our failure as a whole to protect her and so many before her. Not on her shoulders should the burden of righting society’s failure to protect be carried. Rather it is in her honor that we should carry that burden to prevent these things from occurring to any other innocent.

      Newcomb, Box B is indeed bigger than a bread box. It indeed needs to be resolved.

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  36. Pogamen

    Its always a pleasure to read your post. I really hope you will continue helping AYLA!!! Look forward to reading more.

    CUL8TR

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  37. Helping Ayla?????? I so disagree!

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  38. @Anonymous 2/11/13 9:44am - Why pounce on one poster for one word in one sentence? Why such anger? I understood the meaning of CUL8TR's comment, and I'm sure others do, too.

    The squeeky wheel gets the grease - until we learn to remove and replace the squeeky wheel and divide the grease up between the other functioning wheels so they don't squeek. Since you didn't understand everyone's comments, I'll tell you in another way... Expectations differ, but we are all in agreement with you; you are in agreement with us. Thank you for reading and sharing your opinion with us.

    @CUL8TR - Thank you for your kind words.

    @Newcomb - Box B 'moving on' - I didn't like that phrase when I used it. It's more like Box B relaxes and falls back into a normal, practiced state, undisturbed.

    Extension: Imagine this. Looking closer, you see there are more Boxes tethered to Box B and wonder why they only now appear in such aged condition. This is what gives me hope that there is a crushing weight on Box B. The other boxes were there all the time, but not so hidden now.

    @Lin - Your words are my hopes - that collectively, we can *help* Ayla by allowing her to *help* us. Box B has lost a few pieces, yet get replaced so quickly. Awareness is key.
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    1. >>> Box B 'moving on' - I didn't like that phrase when I used it. >>>It's more like Box B relaxes and falls back into a normal, >>>practiced state, undisturbed.

      This makes more sense to me. Thank you.

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    2. Indeed pog, so many more. I understand. If only those who choose to use the time on these blogs, would put all that energy into assuring no other child suffers. Attacking a childs mommy or daddy serves no purpose, it is not helpful. Ayla Reynolds is missing along with so many others. They need our help. Yes awareness, compassion, commitment.

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  39. Pogamen,

    Please continue so allow Ayla to help us, so that we can in turn help her!!!

    CUL8TR

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  40. They call this a delicate situation. I don't know who 'they' is/are/will be/were, but I do know about delicate nature. The following comment (posted vertically) is the place I would choose to sit and spin awhile.

    'Anonymous 8/29/12 2:34 AM - Pogamen, Please ask if Mothers are Natural? Thanks!'

    Igloo, if you posted this comment, then I want to convey the rest of the message with His comments. If not Igloo... Secret between me and you - I saw you post it using your cell phone. I am allowed to see these things because I have need to know - yet not all events pertain to here and now. Please reply here so I know you are not caught offguard. I plan to tell what I saw on Dec 16, 2011, but I will wait for a few days before writing any more.
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  41. Is this looping back to TJP?

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  42. Is this looping back to TJP?

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  43. @Newcomb - TJP is a part of these events, but... Yes. It does loop back, but not in this one comment.

    I found a way to write what I wanted without taking it too far into uncharted waters.

    Hello Igloo,
    On the evening of Dec 16, 2011, nearing dusk, I watched (in the spirit) as a vehicle pulled up to Ayla's home. The vehicle has a rear view mirror only when you allow it out of your possession. A man opened the rear passenger door and spoke to you for a moment. Not needing assistance, he picked you up like a child and carried you inside, while another man retrieved your wheelchair. One other invited individual arrived to celebrate a special housewarming get-together. Next, your driver and 2 car occupants left the premises for awhile.

    This is what I want you to know... Concerning the man that carried you into the house - I felt the sincere love and respect he has for you, and it was noticed by those 'in the spirit'. It was overwhelming and sustains us as one of those special moments that give a reason for hope. This is how I know it was real and true.

    You were also seen by a child nearby, who mistook you for a child.

    I'm thinking that you already know, by now, that the mental images you received came from the Overseer, and not the invited guest. He thought it might have been the wrong message - all of that in a manicure - from infant to adult to old man in review, the troubles and torments of a lifetime can be cured by the mother comforting the newborn son - Man I Cure. Of course, his meaning is more indepth and personal than that, but I think it was the correct message for you to hear.

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