Anyway, there was early speculation in the case that Baby Kate had been given away.
There was also speculation that Baby Kate's mother played a role in her disappearance.
Police have strongly refuted both claims.
The police statement rebutted other theories that have been presented about what happened to Baby Kate.
“Speculation during the first 10 months of the investigation that ‘Baby Kate’ was given to someone else is not supported by the evidence,” the police statement said.
“Previous speculation as to the involvement of the mother, Ariel Courtland, in the disappearance of Katherine Phillips is also not supported by the evidence,” the police said. “Extensive investigation into Ms. Courtland has been conducted by multiple law enforcement agencies. It has been concluded by investigators, and through judicial proceedings, that she did not have the time, means, or motive necessary, or that she has any knowledge of Baby Kate’s whereabouts.”
UNTIL I hear a statement worded that strongly ruling Trista out, I will continue to blog about my beliefs. If LE has ruled her out, sharing that information with the public will not jeopardize this case. At all. I don't understand MSP's position in this case. They seem to want people to believe that they have 3 suspects, but they have not publicly named them or filed any charges. What gives? Could it be that MSP actually has NO IDEA about what happened in this case? Could it be that their ideas and initial feelings are not "supported by any forensic evidence?" What's really going on? 9 months and waiting. Ayla needs to be reunited with her family.
Thoughts?
Totally different circumstances Obscure. Yes LE has publicly said that Ariel is not suspect. Maybe she didn't kill her but she sure as shit didn't do ANYTHING to help find her. This woman did nothing to find her daughter. After receiving a letter from Sean where he admits to killing their daughter she applied for a marriage licence. Presumably to get answers even though she already had them.
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry that I feel strongly that in her own way Ariel helped to kill Kate. She played with Sean's emotions constantly, I'm giving her up for adoption, no I'm not I'm keeping her, go take the dna test. Love her, don't love her.
The only common thing in these two cases are the games that were played while innocent children's lives hung in the balance.
From the few things I’ve read today, this case is as bizarre as Ayla’s. Concerning what I have quoted (my response is in parentheses): I do not state any of it as fact!!! I am not taking any side in this case, this is the first I have heard of it. The quotes I have taken are from: upnorthlive 8/3/11; Missing persons of America 7/13/11, and 8/4/11; wzzm13 4/8/12; and abc news 6/30/11. There are also videos of the mother, but I have not watched them.
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“Totally different circumstances”, I’m not sure about
that!?
“At first he wanted an abortion.” (Trista, ditto about Justin).
"The Defense also pointed out that Ariel left a phone message on June 28 in which she asks Sean if he would want to "take Kate" that night because "after tomorrow it will be too late." (The e-mails between Justin and Trista about her family.)
“The Defense argued that Ariel Courtland, wanted someone to adopt Baby Kate and had partially filled out adoption paperwork.” (Trista (opposite, but only partially done) had just started the “legal” process. She filled out the form to file with the court, but never got any further.)
“Courtland testified at first she wasn't that concerned, but as time passed she grew anxious…”
“Courtland said she never suspected Phillips would hurt their daughter and does not think he would leave the child with someone else. "I think, if anything, he just left her somewhere," she said.” (Anything, in either of these statements remind you of Trista?)
"He would look at me and see how much pain I am in and see how much I just want Kate," said Courtland. "I support him if he just tells me what happened." (Trista –She just wants Justin to talk to her! Tell her what happened to Ayla.)
"I can't eat or sleep," Courtland told a group of reporters outside her home. "I want to know where my daughter is at and that she's safe." (Trista, ditto.)
“Spaniola made an attempt to provide jurors with explanations for inconsistencies in Courtland's testimony, pointing out she's done more than 20 interviews with police.”
“"It is hard to remember every single detail, every interview, every time span, every this and every that," said Courtland.”
“Acting on a search warrant, investigators combed that house for evidence this afternoon. They also called in a U.S. Coast Guard helicopter to survey nearby Crystal Lake. A team of search dogs are at the ready. State police and the FBI have also joined the search.” (Difference, no search warrant to search Phoebe’s house.)
(Me) There are a lot of inconsistencies made by the mother, and she wants to marry the man. Her mother believes it’s a ploy to get the truth from him. (Trista’s reaction to Justin when they saw each other.)
I find it rather curious, along with the dates! That's all! :)
Signed:getrealpeople
Thanks for the comparison work, @ getreal.
DeleteYes, excellent work. How is it that Trista has gotten so much credit for the past 9 months? Well, it's never too late to admit mistakes and see this from a new perspective. (MSP, if you would so oblige)
Deletehttp://speakout4children.blog.com/2012/09/20/keeping-our-missing-in-the-spotlight/
DeleteNice find, Obscure...
ReplyDeleteThat indeed is a strongly worded statement clearing Ariel.
Obscure-- I think your last paragraph sums it up.everyone has a right to wonder, to express their thoughts and perspectives, and to encourage others to do the same.
ReplyDeleteYou and your typical commenters here clearly don't expect others not to have their own outlook. You just rightfully expect them to behave civilly and act like they have a brain. They did not. You don't owe anyone explanations or justifications for being "here". I realize you offer them kind of in an effort to help them "learn". Who knows- it could help some. Of course we should have been granted the space to voice our own outlooks without all being called liars, con artists, scammers, or part of some PR stunt. But what more do we expect of people who have such limited scope?
Which reminds me of MSP. I don't believe for one iota of a second that they are all lock step with one another. And I'll bet dollars to donuts that if they were, we might hear more condemning language from LE and would have seen arrests. They simply don't know what happened to Ayla so they keep diving in a river in hopes that their one and only theory panned out.
Maybe they are as certain as Tori's people say they are...but if so how come it's Tori and John's people saying it rather than LE themselves? They only people who arw certain about what happened to Ayla are a whole bunch of rag tag strangers who have no access to the evidence. Hmmm.
Well put Veronica :)
DeleteThe only people who arw (sic) certain about what happened to Ayla . . . . are the three adults that were home that night. I put my faith in LE that they know way more then they are letting out because they are making sure they have a strong enough case to win in court. . . these things take time when people are cooperating or saying all they know. . . why would LE state this if it were not true???? why would LE bring up finding Ayla's blood if it wasn't enough to be concerned with. I truly believe that they are trying hard to find where Ayla's body was stashed. . . once they do arrests will be made. . . or they will continue to look and collect evidence until they have a no lose case. They are not going to take the chance of trying someone for murder and then lose the case. . . they will make sure they can win before going forward.
ReplyDeleteIn answer to your question there are many reasons LE could or would bring up finding Ayla's blood. To get a reaction out of Trista or someone in her family. To see if she could get a reaction out of Justin when she told him at the vigil. Lets face it all eyes were on them what perfect timing. Read up on how LE works in cases like this. I did. They will use any and all measures to including not answering to the public's queries for information simply to keep interest up. Why because public interest helps keep the case active. LE is not playing a game they are doing their job the way they have been taught to do it.
DeleteCould you be right sure I guess but then again so could I.
How would Trista get a reaction out of Justin, when Justin already knew about the blood? Am I confused on the timeline here, or what?
DeleteOn what she is saying is a different amount of Ayla's blood than he was told. Justin said he was shown a picture of a few drops of blood. Sorry to confuse you.
DeleteHmm. True, Obscure. So I'm not sure whether to think investigators were intending for the info to be leaked or not. As Trista said, they told her she could say what she wanted to the media and that they wouldn't coroborrate any of it. The amount has never been said to be any other than "more than a *small* cut would produce." I think about that a lot.
DeleteI have seen the commenters at the other blogs say that talking about this makes us spin artists. That's nuts. I'm trying to reason with the info I have. The question is, can a 20 month old cut her foot on some spot that bleeds more significantly than seems typical? The most vital questions I have surround the spots of blood. When I wonder if it's not even possible that the amount of blood found could reasonably be attributed to such a cut, I start feeling sickened and duped.
I mean...they aren't telling us how much was found so what if it's more than a small or medium nic in the foot could ever produce.
Then I remember that the reality is that if it weren't possible, if it were out of the question because it was SIGNIFICANTLY more than the 3 or 4 small spots...this would be case closed. Ok- not closed but at least on the road to closure. Here's why- if the spots of blood couldn't possibly be explained by Justins account of Ayla cutting her foot on stone hearth, then they've got him. He is the one telling the story and if they can proove it to be a fabrication and a scientific impossibility, then they can at the very least name a suspect. No one would lie unless they were covering up a fatal injury. It would be reasonable to assume that's the reason behind such a lie. After prooving that Ayla had never been taken to the ER for a large cut or injury, they would have the entire jury easily convinced.
The amount of blood found, therefore, must be small enough to be possibly accounted for by his statement about Ayla walking on that hearth and having a cut bleeding that went unnoticed for a while. Even if they are doubting the story, it has to be possible. It's been 9 minths and it was found and identified within 3 weeks or less.
Which brings me to two things. If someone collected samples from all over my house or any house with kids- what amounts of blood would be found?
And lastly, if Ayla did sustain a fatal injury of some kind, and Justin didn't want to be found to blame and decided to pull a "kidnapped" stunt, why not invent a different crime scene? Why not give himself a longer amount of time to find all that blood and clean it up while law enforcement has taped off some other place? If this was all a faked kidnapping he really could have done better in setting up the crime scene.
Exactly Vic
DeleteSo what I am saying is that maybe LE did tell Trista they found more blood than a few drops. Maybe they were not clear with her though that it was Ayla's for sure that they found. There can be other blood in a home. And I mean they certainly have not been clear with the public on this point as to how much is Ayla's. But knowing she would see Justin that day at the vigil and would most likely confront him with that same information they wanted to also see his reaction to that info. Two birds one stone.
Vic: can you post a link where Justin explains the few drops of blood? I was under the impression that other people have explained how her foot could of gotten cut, but i dont remember Justin himself committing himself to how it was cut. I know he explained her broken arm, and the alleged bruising from the chucky cheese ball pit, but i have never seen in writing the cut on Aylas foot from him.
DeleteLM-maybe it was Trista's reaction that LE wanted to see, not Justin's.
Deletehttp://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/where-is-my-daughter__2012-03-29.html
DeleteJustin DiPietro wouldn't speak at length about the discovery of blood. He said police showed him evidence of "a few drops."
the few 'drops' of blood were what was visible to the naked eye. the rest was discovered when it lit up with the luminol application. my impression was that it was a fairly large area that was 'cleaned up'. why would justin refuse to discuss it if it was indeed a few drops? did he run from the police station when shown the pic of the lit up cleaned blood? any truth to this? it seems what Heidi claims she saw in the basement was the drops with circles the police marked to photograph. she never saw the luminol pics, so for her to run her mouth about blood,no blood, drops or larger amounts is nonsense. only the police and justin know for sure how much blood there was and how much appeared to be cleaned up but left a residue for luminol to react with....
DeleteCOOKIE...this Justin "running" from the police station talk troubles me. I see it said often, but not originating from any reliable source (re: a direct quote from LE). I've seen it toned down to Justin leaving the station immediately after being shown the blood evidence, but that is a far cry from the "running" and "fleeing" talk.
DeleteIf anyone has a (reliable) link to this, please post it.
How I see it
DeleteThe ball pit story came from no one but the Reynolds. Justin has never commented on Trista's accusations.
Cookie where did you read that the few drops were what was visible to the naked eye? I have never seen that said nor printed. I would imagine what Justin was shown was an image of a picture from what was seen when lit up with the luminol application. He was after all shown the results at the police station. Not at the home. So how would he have been shown something with the naked eye? They were at the station.
DeleteAnd as far as him running out I have not seen any links where LE states he ran from the station immediately after being shown blood evidence. I have only seen blog sources.
As I recall the ball pit story came complete with a ball pit at chucky cheese that Trista "wrote" into the story. Only funny thing is there was not a ball pit at chucky cheese. Oops
DeleteTY looking at the facts..you are correct..that was from Trista's side of the family only..on the ball pit.
DeleteWhen did Justin supposedly run from the police station ?
DeleteWell that is interesting. Not sure how that would have done him a lot of good though as the police were the ones giving he, Courtney and his family members rides home the first several weeks.
DeleteRemember they did not have their cars so officers offered them rides if they needed them to and from the station when they came in.
Interesting tidbit KM. if it's true, it will be another rumor debunked after having been floated freely by the media.
DeleteGood info KM. I didnt necessarily buy the running from the police station story and honestly I am not even sure where it originated. Way too much speculation is getting passed off as bible, especially on the other blog.
DeleteI'd like to know when Justin was supposedly showed the blood stains hightlighted by luminol. If there were blood stains not visible to the eye but visible with luminol, how long does it usually take to process blood stains which have supposedly been cleaned with bleach ? My question is, if the police really did show these photos to Justin, had the dna of the blood stains already been analysed or was it just to test Justin's reaction (in that latter case they had no idea who the blood belonged to at the time as they did not have the results).
DeleteLisa- it was in a police interview about the blood, some visible to the eye, some lit up by luminol.
Deletehttp://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/01/30/blood-found-baby-aylas-fathers-basement
***Police have confirmed to CNN that some of the blood in the basement was visible to the naked eye and some was uncovered using the forensic chemical Luminol****
here is the article
Police say missing Maine toddler Ayla Reynolds’ blood was found in her father’s basement bedroom, although they remain tight-lipped about any other specifics on what they discovered.
“I can’t get into any of those details, Nancy, other than I can confirm some of the blood was Ayla’s,” Maine State Police spokesman Stephen McCausland said on HLN’s Nancy Grace Monday.
Ayla’s father, Justin DiPietro, reported her missing on December 17. He told police the girl disappeared from her bed in the middle of the night while he, his girlfriend, his sister and two other small children were asleep in the Waterville home. DiPietro, his girlfriend and her son normally stayed in the basement and Ayla slept in one of the bedrooms on the ground floor, according to CNN.
The family of Ayla’s mother, Trista Reynolds, posted on their website Sunday that police told them there was “more blood than a small cut would produce” in DiPietro’s basement. Police have confirmed to CNN that some of the blood in the basement was visible to the naked eye and some was uncovered using the forensic chemical Luminol.
While police have not named any suspects in the case, McCausland told Nancy Grace that they believe DiPietro and the other adults in the house that night know more than they're saying about what happened to the 20-month-old girl.
For the latest crime and justice news, watch “Nancy Grace” weeknights at 8 p.m. and 10 p.m. ET on HLN
Cookie thanks for the link. I see what you are referring to now. But what I still do not see is that the visible blood is the same as the the "few drops that were said to be Ayla's that was shown to Justin at the station. I believe other spots may have and can be found in many houses. Those as McCausland himself states had not been confirmed to be Ayla's. And we have no idea how much it was. It could have been another few spots or it could have been " a cup full" of someone else blood from another injury. From years ago. Maybe even from another home owner. That is how luminol works. It even detects urine, koolaid and other misc stains thus the time consuming testing.
DeleteThanks Cookie.
"Could it be that MSP actually has NO IDEA about what happened in this case? Could it be that their ideas and initial feelings are not "supported by any forensic evidence?"
ReplyDeleteThat is my belief. Has been for quite some time. Think about this;
At the PC in May, the last PC, McCausland said that "It is premature to even speculate about an arrest." To even speculate,...no suspects named...Tells me they just don't have the evidence to arrest anyone. No evidence equals, they can't really know what happened to Ayla.
Jesus, S. I've read the PC dozens of times and completely missed the "premature" remark. Just goes to show how one set of eyes can pick up details missed by another.
Deleteditto. excellent catch...just another example of why more brain power the better.
DeleteIt doesn't mean they don't have evidence to arrest anyone. It means they don't have sufficient evidence to CONVICT anyone.
DeleteNo it doesn't. People get arrested all the time and never get convicted. If they think they have a killer on their hands they would have him locked up by now. They DON'T have the evidence b/c there is nothing to have. Justin did not harm Ayla.
DeleteGreat catch I missed that too. I am too one of those that is starting to question a lack of evidence. If it was open and shut with the proofthey needed, it wouldnt 9 months with no arrests.
DeleteI'm not inclined to agree with your reasoning for no arrest(s). Look at the Jhessye Shockley case out of AZ. She's been missing since 10/10/11 I believe. They had forensic evidence, they had an eyewitness to beatings and Jhessye being kept in the closet in a somewhat comatose state from one of the other kids. And that mother was just arrested 2 weeks ago. They were looking for her body in the landfill. When unsuccessful, they proceeded with charges without a body. I can't say 9 months with no arrest = lack of evidence.
DeleteI agree with you, Dee. I believe that the MSP has a lot of evidence, but that they will exhaust all efforts to find Ayla first beforr making arrest(s).
DeleteI wish they did have enough to make an arrest and bring Ayla home.
DeleteI agree Obscure LE has never came out and said Trista was innocent or cleared any of the Reynolds for that matter. There have been no named real suspects At all. It's like LE is playing games with Aylas case. They never named the Dipietro's suspects either. I am really beginning to think that they f***ed up hard on this case starting with the WPD. they've never had the likes of this on there hands and when it happened they panicked and messed everything up before MSP became involved. The problem is that WPD didn't take the call seriously at first but then the situation became very real and now it's unfortunate because 9 months is so long. But i'm holding on to fate. All I thik of is Bob Vear and then it reminds me of poor Jaycee Dugard. So many posibilities.
ReplyDeletehttp://speakout4children.blog.com/2012/09/20/keeping-our-missing-in-the-spotlight/
DeleteNobody has been ruled out. End of story. Trista...I'll pay you to take a poly.
ReplyDeleteIt's not unusual for cases to take a year or more before an arrest is made. Something will happen. the truth will come out.isn't the crime lab out of state? could it be backed up with other cases?
ReplyDeleteThe crime lab is in Augusta.
DeleteCookie this may come as a bit of a surprise to you but Maine is not actually an incredibly high crime state. Not sure what the back up would be.
DeleteLE has never mentioned a back up at the lab.
DeleteWasn't there mention some months ago that some things had to be sent out of state?
DeleteThis information should not be construed as a judgement call on the presence OR lack of evidence against the DiPietro family. I will say though, that my son's father passed away quite unexpectedly, alone, and at a relatively young age, last year in Portland, with no apparent cause of death. Because of that, they did an autopsy, and law enforcement told us that the toxicology screenings had to go to an out of state lab and would take 6 to 9 months to process. They actually sent the results back much sooner than that, but it is what they told us to expect.
DeleteI recall some of the evidence being sent to Boston for analysis. I still don't understand why it has taken so long for the evidence to be processed. How many times can McCausland say "We're still waiting on results"?
DeleteAre these labs back-logged? What is the holdup. Doesn't a missing child trump other cases?
Also, why haven't they looked elsewhere, like for a live Ayla, while they have been waiting for forensic results?
signed:getrealpeople
http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/most-ayla-reynolds-evidence-processed_2012-09-16.html
DeleteAnonnews9/21/12 10:40 PM
DeleteI saw the article that "most" of the evidence has been processed. But, why did it take 9 months? What cases got preference over a missing child? Something isn't right! Finding a child should be foremost in their investigations. It doesn't take that long to do DNA tests! The longer it goes on, the less chance there is of finding Ayla.
signed:getrealpeople
OT: Who the fuck opens a new post with "AYLA BELL REYNOLDS, MISSING 9 MONTHS TODAY!"
ReplyDeleteSomeone needs to talk to John P. about his inappropriate use of exclamation marks.
@mckeekitty. . . I don't see anything wrong with John's use of exclamation point, it was a good post with lots of good questions as to why Justin is begging the "kidnappers" to come forward and bring Ayla home where she belongs. If he believes she was kidnapped why isn't he begging????? I don't get it at all. His being quiet for whatever reason isn't more important than finding out what happened to that sweet baby!
DeleteYeah its excrutiating reading John P.
DeleteAnd they claim over there to keep it pertaining to Ayla but they were chatting about chocolate yesterday. Btw I love love how they hang of LE Anon's every word. How the hell does anyone know this individual is retired LE? Wtf anyone can come on posting saying that they take everything this guys says so seriously. They believe anything. U4A is just a bunch of lemmings.
DeleteI don't care about the chocolate chat, it's bound to happen when a group of people congregate around a blog all day every day. But you are right about the person who posts saying he is a retired LE officer (of some sort that has never been disclosed or verified). And now his supposed grandson has started posting, apparently only to try to smack down anyone (including myself) who doesn't tow the line there.
DeleteI won't stop reading there and I still occasionally post. I don't think it's appreciated that many of my posts are to point out inconsistencies and "untruths" but there are some ideas and information I still feel comfortable commenting about in a more positive way.
vs2vs
DeleteMy thought exactly on the retired LE. Hey maybe I'm retired LE wait maybe it is Obscure or #2. Hey maybe it is you. Those people over there get more and more ridiculous every day. The other thing that gets me is they are all statement analysis now. They read some of Peter's blogs and now they know how to analysis peoples words. Looks like Peter is gonna have some competition :)
So why isn't Justine pleading with the kidnappers????? I know why . . .because there aren't any. . he knows what happened to Ayla and will keep it to himself until LE figures it out for themselves and believe me they will. . . the evidence is adding up and his freedom will be short lived. . . oh "Ayla probably thinks this is a big game" explain that comment to me could you???? Does he have mental issues or what????
DeleteYes, the retired LE anon is me! No surprise there。。。
DeleteI have a degree in social sciences with a minor in English. Do I have the appropriate credentials to confirm the statement of vs2vs that reading JohnP is excruciating? :)
DeleteScout
DeleteI totally agree with you when you say Wow just wow. Here we have a supposed retired LE and without seeing any evidence more than we have has already convicted Justin and publicly stated he is guilty. He is helping to fuel a lynch mob. I have to wonder how corrupt he was as an officer before he retired. I believe with this one comment he has proven himself to be an unreliable source not that I did not think that before.
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September 20, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Scout says:
September 20, 2012 at 4:50 pm
LE Anon, could you give us a bit more background on what your credentials are please? I mean no disrespect, but “retired LE” could mean a lot of different things and I would like to be able to have a little more perspective on your background as I consider what you say here – I hope you understand. Perhaps I’ve missed where you’ve given that information before and if so, anyone can point me there to get me up to speed. Thanks.
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Hello Scout – Yes I do mind & yes you do mean disrespect. I wouldn’t be good at what I do if I wasn’t one step ahead of you.
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FYI – LE doesn’t just watch THIS blog. I would also like to mention that my grandson is one of the finest people you would ever meet & at his age he has more maturity & class than you would acquire in a lifetime.
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mountain mama says:
September 20, 2012 at 5:13 pm
You rock! LE Anon
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Scout Scout says:
September 20, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Wow. Just wow.
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Scout Scout says:
September 20, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Wow. Just wow.
Your “grandson” came on the scene just a week ago to put the smackdown on anyone who didn’t tow the Justin-did-it-end-of-story line. He single handedly tried to shut up anyone who didn’t comply 100% with that theory or had anything to say outside of that viewpoint. If silencing inquisitiveness and silencing the expectation of sticking to the truth and facts is mature and classy, then you’re right, he’s way ahead of me on this case I’ve been following in the news and on line since December 17, 2011.
It’s so odd, how you both have the same unique way of replying to posts.
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How ridiculous is this retired LE person. Can he even post one statement from LE that would say any of this. From what we know? You know nothing more than anyone else. A retired LE cannot just call up a police station and get inside info on a current case and then go blab it on a blog. Those over at U4A I have a bridge for sale if you are interested.
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September 20, 2012 at 4:09 pm
mountain mama says:
September 20, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Thanks LEAnon I’m going to guess the injury happened by the bed and the spatter reached as far as the bottom of the stairs. Ugh!
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Hi mm- that seems to be the case from what we know.
Obscure, why are you trying to intimidate me? I'm surprised, that's not like you!
DeleteScout says:
September 20, 2012 at 4:50 pm
LE Anon, could you give us a bit more background on what your credentials are please? I mean no disrespect, but “retired LE” could mean a lot of different things and I would like to be able to have a little more perspective on your background as I consider what you say here – I hope you understand. Perhaps I’ve missed where you’ve given that information before and if so, anyone can point me there to get me up to speed. Thanks.
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Hello Scout – Yes I do mind & yes you do mean disrespect. I wouldn’t be good at what I do if I wasn’t one step ahead of you.
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FYI – LE doesn’t just watch THIS blog. I would also like to mention that my grandson is one of the finest people you would ever meet & at his age he has more maturity & class than you would acquire in a lifetime.
I knew it was you Obscure! LOL They do act like a bunch of lemmings. They will trust whoever you say you are, as long as you think Justin is guilty of harming Ayla. I wouldn't be surprised if LE anon was Wordman and/or Jeff.
DeletePS: Obscure, I am trying to get my user name in place of anon, but it hasn't worked yet! Will get it done, or change my name. :)
signed:getrealpeople
Scout...you did NOT deserve that reply from LE ANON. Indeed...wow. Just wow.
DeleteYou posted NOTHING inappropriate, here or there. WTF? If I posted as "Sgt. Blake" or "Det. Andrews" or "FBI Agent Jones" I best be prepared to back it up.
I don't like to think a true law enforcement official, active or retired, would take issue with folks posting concerns on multiple blogs. And questioning a poster that could be assuming an authorative persona IS a legitimate concern.
Man, I'm sorry you got beat up like that, Scout. Yes...I detected a veiled attempt at intimidation in LE Anon's reply to you, and I didnt' appreciate it.
It must suck for LE anon to be retired. How does a pompous, arrogant person get unearned respect and admiration without the badge? It's not clever to be reading at two blogs. If it is, that makes many of us "good at (his) job." The comment about his grandson having more maturity and class at his age then vs2vs will ever have in a lifetime is more a reflection on him than on his grandson or vs2vs.
DeleteYour so right Mckitty. Scout you show incredible class under the circumstances. JMO IF LE Anon is retired LE, then he would/should know better than to go on a blog and offer an "Official Opinion". And If he is so bold as to say I am retired LE, he best be prepared to back it up or expect to be called on it. And the intimidation? On a blog? Using the handle LE Anon, seriously buddy? They may fall all over themselves eating a mile of your poo to kiss your arse but they are a very very small group. Most people, well they just laugh at you. Oh and if you want to try to intimidate me bring it on. BTW, LE know you too, just so you know.
DeleteOkay...this is rich.
DeleteMy eight-year-old nephew recently entered the fourth grade. Johnny Law came in today to do a talk about internet safety (specifically FB and social media). The take-away...NEVER ASSUME THE PERSON YOU ARE ENGAGING WITH IS WHO THEY SAY THEY ARE.
Perhaps the good folks over at U4A should have attended my nephew's class today. They certainly do enjoy judging books by their cover.
Scout..I do hope you might reconsider your stance on one thing. You are gifted with your knowledge and acumen on the Grand Jury and all things court-related. I learned a great deal from reading your posts on such matters. To me, sharing this knowledge with others, even on U4A, is a contribution to Ayla and her case. Just a thought...not a guilt-trip.
You are a good person, Scout.
Wow, Scout, I missed that comment from LE anon. What a response!
DeleteLE anon seems to value their opinion as very important, as do the others on that site. No one can question them. How dare you question their credentials. You're out of line!
Why does LE anon come and go. Pops in every now and then, thanks everyone for their adoring comments, let's them know what a great job they're doing and they are correct in their thinking, then "I have to go now".
Remember that commenter that appeared for 2 or 3 weeks (forget their name)? Seemed to take over the blog and tell John P. how to handle the commenters? Then they disappeared!
Sounds like the same poster, which sounds a lot like Jeff/Wordman.
Not sure why you feel intimidated?
signed:getrealpeople
@ getreal,
Delete"I wouldn't be surprised if LE anon was Wordman and/or Jeff."
I've had the same thought.
No matter who, I honestly don't believe he or she is a retired LE personal at all, no more than I am.
I know I brought it up to begin with but I personally dont care who LE Anon is at all because I am not the one hanging on his every word. He could be a guy living in his parents basement or a kid in HS for all I care. I think it would be messed up if he is pretending to be LE, if thats the case, But I find it more disturbing the way that some of the readers, esp John P, keep asking him advice assuming they are really getting it from someone in LE. They are too quick to believe anyone and half the legal talk they throw out is uneducated babble. John P had no problem throwing out the whole idea of charging Justin, Courtney and Elisha "in concert" for murdering Ayla...he talked about it all the time like he was so familiar with it and yet last week he asked LE Anon what "in Concert" meant. Wtf lol. And why is LEAnon so defensive if he is who he says he is? No one was asking for his true actual identity but of course now John P is re-iterating the whole "I never reveal anyone's identity" spiel.....
DeleteWell whoever he is, he is now playing the "woe is me" card because he feels Scout drove him away. Why would he be so uncomfortable with Scout asking him questions...hmm.
DeleteAnon says:
September 21, 2012 at 11:24 am
Good Morning
I was very dismayed to see what occured on this blog after I left yesterday & apparently I didn’t see it all.
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I apologize to John, all the other Moderators/ Admins & the good people of this blog for the disruption I caused it was not my intent. However, it was the intent of Scout. She was very aware of her sugar coated malicious/vindictive post, she just thought I would be too ignorant to see it for what it was. I knew it was comming & I feel I delt with it appropriately.
I make no apologies for my statements/opinons or comments, I own them & stand by them.
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I came to this blog for the same reason as everyone else, to find out what happened to this precious child (Ayla). I didn’t come here as some expert commentator, only as another blogger ; but because of my LE background I was asked questions & I was happy to share what I know.
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I feel due to the recent disruption which isn’t benefiting anyone, especially Ayla, I’m going to politely excuse myself & let you good people get back to what this blog is about, Ayla.
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John, your a good man & I hope I have the pleasure to meet up with you, mm, margi & so many others at a future event. In the meantime I will continue to support all of you & most of all Ayla!
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Thank you for letting me say my peace.
My credentials:
DeleteAssociates in mental health services (with an at-risk youth specialization)
B.S. in Psychology, minor in social work
Masters in Criminal Justice
GAL/special advocate
(training/experience)
Sexual assault victims advocate
Parent/educator
Veteran, military intelligence training/experience
Years of experience dealing with abused/neglected children
Numerous CEUs from a range of topics including domestic violence, traumatization in childhood, forensic psychology, etc.
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LE ANON published no credentials because he has none. It would have sufficed to say "NYPD officer for 22 years" or "former FBI agent".
I list my credentials because I'm proud of them. No one even had to ask me. I tend to think I'm pretty damn impressive. LOL
I'm impressed
DeleteI also thought a simple answer like LE for so many years would have sufficed. He wouldn't even have to give his city but the answer he gave was like how a teenager would answer to being called out by their parents. He obvious reads over here since he knew it was talked about here first. Scout's question was respectful and was treated like an attack.
Obscure, thanks for sharing. (I hope that doesn't start the crazies down the "figure out who Obscure is" path again though. Soon they will google all the things you wrote and decide you are the first name that comes up in the search results). :-)
DeleteRegardless of what "credentials" a person has, I have a great deal of difficulty giving any credence to someone who attempts to speak with authority on a subject, but does not possess basic grammar and spelling skills. For example: "delt" with, "your" instead of "you're" "peace" instead of "piece". I'll give him the "comming" as a typo.
Also, in response to his assertion that Scout's reasonable, respectful questions were actually a "sugar coated malicious/vindictive" post, I say, paranoid much?
How many times have they had a random commenter burst on the scene, command some attention, and then excuse themselves from further discussion? "Steve" was recently also. Things that make ya go "hmmm."
DeleteHe feels he dealt with it appropriately? He could have just answered the question or said "I'm not going to disclose that information." I guess snide and arrogant are more appropriate.
Fan of Truth 4:47 ....Well said.
DeleteObscure,
"I list my credentials because I'm proud of them"
As you should be...good for you & great work! Thanks fo sharing.
"Here we have a supposed retired LE and without seeing any evidence more than we have has already convicted Justin and publicly stated he is guilty. He is helping to fuel a lynch mob."
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VERY well put, Looking at the Facts!
A retired law enforcement official has NO business publicly declaring the DiPietro family guilty. It is beyond reckless...it is irresponsible and reprehensible. I doubt very much that the MSP appreciate "LE Anon's" contributions to a biased blog.
LE Anon must surely know that he was over-stepping his role as a casual blogger with a background in LE when he condemned Justin. That has to be a BIG no-no. No person of interest has been named, but LE Anon came right out to say, in his "expert" opinion, that the DiPietros are responsible.
On that note, I do hope MSP reads this blog. Because I think LE Anon did a grave injustice in swaying public opinion by his anti-DiPiertro comments.
You can believe me or not with my next comments. If LE Anon implied that Trista, Bob Vear, or ANYONE else was guilty, I would be equally outraged. Honestly, I had no problem with LE Anon...he seemed to be an okay guy that shed some light on police/investigative procedure. But when he tossed out his personal opinion of the guilty party, I was dumbfounded. Yes, Looking at the Facts...LE Anon is fueling a lynch mob with his comments.
That is dangerous stuff.
Retired LE's response isn't consistent with real LE which would not only understand, but DEMAND that people be careful about with whom they place their trust online. Since when would any LE be offended that someone would simply ask for their credentials?
DeleteSilly shit. :)
Team Truth9/22/12 6:37 PM
DeleteExcellently said!!!
signed:getrealpeople
Obscure, I just gained even more respect for you as I am a sexual assault survivor. <3
Delete"You can believe me or not with my next comments. If LE Anon implied that Trista, Bob Vear, or ANYONE else was guilty, I would be equally outraged. Honestly, I had no problem with LE Anon...he seemed to be an okay guy that shed some light on police/investigative procedure. But when he tossed out his personal opinion of the guilty party, I was dumbfounded. Yes, Looking at the Facts...LE Anon is fueling a lynch mob with his comments.
DeleteThat is dangerous stuff. "
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I totally agree Mckeekitty I would feel the same way no matter who he threw under the bus. I was intrigued at first hoping he could shed some light on basic procedure even if he wasn't a retired LE he seemed to know how the basics of investigations worked. When he tossed out the Justin did it card I lost all respect for anything he had to say. He may repeat over and over that what he says is his opinion only but the crowd he is entertaining take what he says as fact and repeat it over and over again. It turns in to a so called game of telephone. He says IMO then once it is passed around a bit it becomes fact to some of them and they base their opinions on those so called facts.
I'm curious Mckeekitty what is your take on Trista's words in this article now that you are looking at things from a different perspective? Trista's words in this article have always bothered me.
http://bangordailynews.com/2012/02/15/news/state/aylas-mother-going-on-offensive-in-search-for-missing-girl/
McCausland, who is the only law enforcement official making public statements about the case, has said that no one, including Trista Reynolds, has been ruled out as a suspect in Ayla’s disappearance. However, McCausland has said that investigators believe the three adults who were with Ayla on Dec.16 — Ayla’s father, Justin DiPietro; his sister, Elisha DiPietro; and his girlfriend, Courtney Roberts — know more about her disappearance than they have told police, including how Ayla’s blood wound up in the basement of the DiPietro home at 29 Violette Avenue.
Trista Reynolds said that although police haven’t confirmed it, she is not a suspect. She said part of the reason for that is that police have told her things about the investigation.
“The police have told me I can tell people whatever I want about the investigation, but that they won’t back me up with it,” Reynolds said.
McCausland said Wednesday he would not verify or deny Trista’s statements or the information posted on the website.
Well to be fair what McCausland has said exactly is that the three adults in the house know more than they are telling us.
DeleteHe has not said they know more about Ayla's disappearance, or blood. In fact LE has never been specific about exactly what it is they believe one or more of the three adults may know.
Looking at the Facts...I'll leave it at this: I find Trista's comments in that article very strange.
DeleteI do believe a student of sociology should do a thesis on blogs and their role in fueling "lynch-mob mentality." It would be a fascinating read.
To those that have it all figured out: I suggest you revisit the classics "To Kill a Mockingbird" and/or "Twelve Angry Men". Watch what happens when conclusions are drawn prematurely without solid evidence.
Given the track record of MSP and murder cases in the past 10 years, I believe they know exactly what they are doing. Just because they aren't letting the general public into their secret group (gasp!) doesn't mean they are clueless. I know that's not what you are saying... but some are. Check out their stats on cases involving minors under the age of 18... not too shabby eh? We might talk slow and wear last years fashion (or...ummm... 5 years ago fashion), but one area in which we excel, is with MSP.
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ReplyDeletemargyf1 says:
September 19, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Sock it to ‘em John! I would never give it a thought what others think of your opinions John. The rest of the country believes the father (or sperm donor better way to describe him )took his daughter’s life from her. The authorities are just building their very strong case against him and whoever else contributed to this horrific crime in any way. It will all come out when those responsible get that dreaded knock on their door. This father reeks with suspicion. No caring, loving father would act the way he does. He is IMO a sociopath and the reason he is emotionless and not talking. Why would he? He cares only for himself, no one else!
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So there we have it folks. Case closed. Margy called it. Now move along.
Right?
I'm so disgusted right now...
I saw this today too...ridonculous!! And based on no facts. While I still personally feel Justin is responsible, I am not sure to what extent and am certainly not in her line of thinking. But I guess I am not following the rest of the country as she says lol. Ugh so frustrating even reading this crap from over there.
DeleteI'm with you v2v - my gut says Justin is probably responsible at some level, but my mind has to check that reaction given the lack of an arrest or even a named suspect (and especially given no statements ruling anyone out). I appreciate that we are able to post here and speak of both our gut feelings and our doubts without being assailed for it.
DeleteIf you are so frustrated stop going over there to get shit to blog about. . . thats all I see over here is stuff the people get from over there. . . . how old are you????
DeleteIf I got so disgusted by reading something I would stay away from that blog. . . . doesn't that make sense???
DeleteUnfortunately Anon my age is not of your business. How old are you? And if what I post here bothers YOU, why dont you leave? I do read there because there are some good posters, like Scout for instance, who dont buy into every work said over there as fact. But thats it, I dont post there. What you choose to go and where you choose to read is for you and leave my preferences up to me thanks. I personally find it very relevant what gets posted there because I see there are a lot of inconsistencies from the maternal side and that speak volumes. I also strongly disagree with a lot of what is being said there and when I disagree with something I am not afraid to share it with others who feel the same. I wasnt afraid to share it at the other blog either but they blocked me. Anything else I can answer for you? :)
DeleteScout...I liked your remarks on U4A re: looking beyond the "obvious." It was SO obvious to me that the DiPietros were guilty as sin. But when I started to look back at who said what, and how the information was being disseminated, my head began to spin.
DeleteI still find value over at U4A from a select few posters, you among them.
I maintain that the DiPietros are likely involved...but I can no longer issue the "off-with-their-heads!" battle cry. In light of the odd remarks made by Trista and Bob Vear, I find myself quite conflicted. Without a POI named, I cannot even dismiss the spector of a third party.
That was my issue at U4A. The absolute, unflinching, uncompromising position that one or more DiPietros killed Ayla. The message I received there was loud and clear...stay in formation, and don't deviate from the agenda.
Enjoy the camp this weekend!
Thanks McKee, we've delayed the camp departure til the morning so I'm afraid U4A and JSTL will just have to deal with me until then ;)
DeleteMore thoughts, Scout.
DeleteHaving been in your shoes, I know what a slap-in-the-face feels like. It hurts.
You live in Maine..."LE Anon" does not. "LE Anon" burst on the scene seemingly out of no where...ready and eager to field questions on a biased blog. He would avail himself on whim, and may very well have recruited his "grandson" to join in. Frankly, with all that has transpired today, I would be remiss not to consider LE Anon and his grandson one individual.
You have been on Ayla's case since Day One, Scout. How does an anonymous poster blowing through blog-town relatively late-in-the-game trump that?
You are an intelligent, polite, direct, informative, and valuable asset in regards to discussing this case. And you have been since December.
The father reeks of suspicion? In what way? In the way that he is working three jobs to help find Ayla? Are you are that clueless and ignorant at this point? You just said he is a sociopath, emotionless, only cares about himself, committed a horrific crime, and suspicious, but do tell me what you base your opinion on? Because if you do not know this person and can base your opinion on first hand knowledge of Justin DiPietro and what he is doing behind the scenes to find his daughter, then please, STFU, Margyf1. Thank you. And please, don't try to speak for the "rest of the country." It's humiliating to be associated with you.
ReplyDeleteTroubled can you tell us how Justin working 3 jobs helps to find Ayla? Are you saying he is earning extra money to hire a private eye? Or helping with monies for flyers, signs and such. I think that is fantastic on Justins part to help out that way.
DeleteOh C'mon, in this video, where tears (actual real tears, as opposed to staged, fake tears) are streaming down Justin's face, it is clear that he is completely emotionless, don't you think? (for the ignorant among us, yes, that was sarcasm)
Deletehttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDYY8lDFrLE
Side note on the video: Bob Vear at his creepy best!
p.s. The last time I checked, suspicion wasn't something that you could "smell" on a person. Then again, that's not the first time a reference to how something smells (or doesn't) has been used inappropriately in this case.
I'm just so thankful that I don't think as Margyf1 does.
DeleteI hate to tell her, but I'm positive, neither does the rest of the country.
Okay the video with tears??????? Thats all he's got????????? Pathetic!
DeleteHere would be a good place to add an "Amen Obscure!". ;-)
DeleteThis was brushed upon on the other blog.
ReplyDeleteAt Ayla's second birthday vigil on April 4, Trista says: "Wherever she is, I hope she's not alone," said Trista Reynolds, Ayla's mother. "If she sees me on TV, I want her to know Mommy says 'Happy Birthday' and Mommy loves her a lot."
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That strikes me as an odd comment to make if you know your child was not abducted.
Yup very strange comment!!
Deleteditto!
DeleteBTW, welcome vs2vs, and other newcomers!
signed:getrealpeople
@mckeekitty. . . .you come across to me to be the fakest person I have come across on these blogs. . . And why would that come across as odd????? Her child is missing. . . hello, just a bit ago I read a post of yours saying that she believes Ayla is dead that that was awful and in this post she speaks like Ayla is alive and thats awful. . . can't make up your mind????? I can't even imagine what a grief this large would cause me to say or do. . . I can't even imaging losing one of my children. . . and having LE state that they don't believe that child is alive. . . does anyone on this blog have a heart or compassion. . . . does anyone have children? Have any of you put yourselves in Trista's shoes when you busy on here making shit up????? Obviously not. . .
ReplyDeleteI don't have children. Maybe that is why I can take a more distanced and less emotional view of this case. It's not that I lack empathy, it's just that I'm choosing to go head over heart as I look for answers and justice for Ayla. I've got a gut feeling, I've got a logical side that tempers that and I've got an intellectual mind that isn't really bothered that I can't state an unequivocal opinion. Perhaps one of those aspects of my being will take a bigger, bolder, position at some point, but not now. There are too many unknowns.
Deleteanon - no one is accusing Trista of murdering Ayla. That said, we're here to discuss this case and things around it, not counsel Trista. Trista doesn't come here for support. That does not mean people here don't have a heart or compassion. Sadly, those that should be supporting her do not seem to be.
DeleteYou must be suz....being anon doesnt matter, your meanness and crudeness give you away everytime
DeleteAnonymous...you're a real pain in the ass.
DeleteTrista says Justin was the last one to see Ayla "alive" in the very early days of the case. Even while LE is handling Ayla's disappearence as an abduction, Trista does not plead for her daughter' return from the kidnapper. Instead, she bashes Justin. So at Ayla's birthday vigil, a full 15 weeks later, Trist wonders if Ayla is in front of a TV????
I'm not taking the position that Trista is involved. I am taking the position that says weird things.
I can put myself in the shoes of a mom who loves her children. I can put myself in the shoes of a mom who would be devastated if anything ever happened to anyone of them. I can put myself in the shoes of a mom who could imagine losing a child and does not feel as though I would survive it. I can put myself in those shoes and say as a mom that what I do know is that I would not be willing to give up hope for my child ever. Much less on week one of them missing. I would believe with every fiber of my being that my child was alive until someone convinced me that they were not with irrefutable evidence.
DeleteI am so tired of the poor Trista chant. I understand her child is missing but that does not change the fact that Trista is a poor excuse for a mother. She drank and did drugs while she had Ayla. Then gave her to Justin and never went to get her. Only visited her once and now claims all along during that time she believed she was being abused!! And I am not making THAT shit up!! She is either a terrible mom who did not want to be bothered with Ayla at the time or was willing to leave her with a father who abused her. But I believe Trista is a liar she does not believe Ayla was being abused. And if she did well she could have done something about it. She could have gotten to Ayla she could have had a well check done, there are many avenues for help. Nobody had been contacted to check on Ayla which means Trista didn't reach out for help to anyone. Which to me means she did not think Ayla needed it.
I think Trista was only guilty of not going to visit Ayla because she had her own personal issues going on and now some lies that she does not know how to get out of. The one thing, the only thing that I will say about Trista is that I think she does love Ayla and would not have honestly have left her in a harmful situation.
But then what does Trista do when Ayla goes missing? She bashes Ayla's dad in the eyes of the public. How is this a disservice to Ayla you ask? Well it leads the public to believe that he harmed her. And to stop looking for Ayla. Do you think someday when Ayla is old enough and can look back and read how this story unfolded she will admire that about her mom? Some how I doubt it. Because here is the thing. Even if Trista has nothing to do with Ayla's disappearance she absolutely had something to do with how her being found is being hindered.
@Mckeekitty,your name says it all. . .. you have a very simple mind. . . LE knew things weren't adding up right from the get go. . . they shared their beliefs with Trista. . . she knew from the beginning that something aweful happened to her first born at the beginning of this case. LE knew and shared with Trista their beliefs. . . she has and is reacting to the worse thing that could happen to a parent. You continuing to pick apart everything from what she looks like to how she grieves is pathetic and when all is said and done you will feel as pathetic as you are!
DeleteYOUR A REAL PAIN IN THE ASS! YOU ARE ALSO HEARTLESS AND I FEEL BAD FOR ANYONE WHO KNOWS YOU. . . .ESPECIALLY YOUR CHILDREN AND FAMILY IF YOU HAVE ANY!
Anonymous. I read at both blogs. Please cite a single post where kitty commented on Trista's "looks." Please cite a single post where kitty says Trista is involved in Ayla's disapperance.
DeleteAll I've seen is kitty raising questions on what Trista has said. Trista draws suspicion upon herself with her own words. I still see kitty leaning towards the DiPietros as responsible.
Kitty was very outspoken about her suspicions about Justin and his family for the first several months of this case. As I see it, she went through a transformation, put down her pitchfork, and simply refuses to condemn ANYONE at this time.
You, however, seem bent on discrediting kitty...and we all see it. You are essentially stalking her, which makes you come off as mentally unstable.
Pearl, I agree. The way the anon is singling out mckee, it's probably "ldybg" from u4a.
DeletePearl, vs2vs and Really?...I don't know who anon is, but I have a pretty good idea.
DeleteWhat I find amusing is that HE didn't appreciate me looking beyond Justin and his family. HE didn't appreciate me citing some of Trista's media remarks. HE is probably very unhappy that Tori mentioned receiving a nasty email from Trista on her "My Absence" post.
So what does HE do? HE retaliates by posting here as "anonymous", and with every post, HE reveals more and more of HIS own identity.
I also find it amusing that instead of contributing on HIS own blog, HE sees fit to come here. I have said nothing against Trista that she herself hasn't put out there.
I have said this before, and I will say it again. I enjoyed J4A when Tori was at the helm. Comments from both sides were welcome. I came across this one that Tori allowed (I never knew her to delete comments, suspend posters, or toss bloggers off her site) when researching about the blood. Even though this comment is from an "anonymous", Tori permitted it. I still take it with a grain of salt, but appreciate that it was allowed:
AnonymousApr 21, 2012 06:56 PM
Justice for Ayla: Justin has answered when and why Ayla was bleeding.
He has said that she was walking barefoot on a hearth and that she had a cut on her heel/foot. It is in line with the amount of blood that was found to actually be Ayla's.
What is NOT determined is whether the other "blood evidence" that lit up with luminol was actually blood and was actually Ayla's.
Trista has not told us about her whereabouts the night Ayla went missing. How come that question has always been off limits? Who's the one hiding stuff?
Where is Ayla? Who had reason to take her? Who didn't want Justin to have her? Who asked for Justin to sign over his parental rights? Whose sister told Justin that he needn't bother to come pick her up when Trista went into rehab? Whose family is incredibly dysfunctional (has had children taken by state, has arrests, drug and alchohol problems, and despite their dysfunctionality felt that Trista was more so and wouldn't allow Trista to stay with them in their homes...even after Ayla went missing?) Whose family, per Trista's texts to Justin in January, told her that her break down wasnt' their problem?
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I don't like "anonymous" posts, but Tori didn't censor as illustrated by this post. U4A censors.
Again, I didn't cherry pick this post to make my point. I simply Googled some key words because someone here was asking about how Ayla might have sustained a cut.
Anonymous9/20/12 3:33 PM
DeleteWow!!! You really need to relax. You sound so out of control, why is that. Everyone who posts at all the blogs dedicated to Ayla Belle Reynolds do so because they care. No matter who they feel may be involved, the bottom line is everyone wants the same thing, Resolve. By coming here and focusing your fury on McKitty the only thing you accomplish is, well... sorry to say... you look like a real nut case. Not that I am saying you are just saying your comments make you look like you are. So pull up your little girl panties (if your male, pull up your little girl panties) and make statements like a grown up. Let me ask you this anon. Do you know for a fact where Ayla is and who is responsible for her being missing? If you do, not based on the BS that is being displayed as proof, please share with us. If you don't then for shit sakes quit with the ranting. Your not doing J4A any good at all, just reinforcing the theory that well... I don't have to say it, you catch my drift right? Oh and before you get all bent out of shape, no I don't know that trista or Justin had anything to with Ayla being missing. BECAUSE.. there is no real proof either way. Is there?
Anon 9/20/12 3:33pm - If you don't get it by now, you're never going to. Give it up!
DeleteAnon 9/21/12 8:14am - I believe you are the same anon @3:33) - Okay, we know you're from U4A, why can't you just use the name you use over there? You are really pathetic.
You just can't stand that mckeekitty can post her intelligent questions, concerns, and opinions over here. Well, you shouldn't have run her off. We welcome her comments here. We like having an intelligent and civil discussion here. BTW, per your comments, you don't fit in.
You're not an animal lover I take it. Well, not everyone is, but your first line says a lot about your character, IMO. My cat has much more sense, then you could ever even hope to have.
You want to see a pain in the ass, go look in the mirror. Now, take a hike.
signed:getrealpeople
NOBS9/20/12 7:22 PM
DeleteWhat a great post! Very well stated.
One thing to add, did she drink and do drugs while she was pregnant with Ayla, or Ray?
Some have said she didn't know the system to get Ayla back. I call BS on that. There is a lot more to this story than she is giving us.
If DHHS said "in the meeting" that Justin was supposed to return Ayla to her when she got out of rehab, why didn't she get Ayla back? She didn't even bother to try and see Ayla for two weeks after her rehab (her words). Didn't that period of time involve when Ayla broke her arm?
WTH!!!
signed:getrealpeople
I just came here to look/read right now. I never post Anonymous on either blog always use Suz which is my real name, shortened.
ReplyDeletemckee-let's all agree that Trista is mentally ill and may be a few prozacs short of a full prescription. An explaination of why she flip flops back and forth as her mood shifts from manic to depressed from anger to sadness.Distortion of truth and LYING are common traits of manic depressives. She would never be a contestant on reality tv...she is in deep denial, understandable when the facts may be too painful to process. She lost her daughter the day she was forced into detox, too sick and unstable and fucked up on booze and drugs to care for her so she sends her off to a father she claims abused her. The lesser of two evils? perhaps..................But the fact she never went to get her in all those weeks shows her priority was NOT Ayla, but to run off and visit a LOSER boyfriend who gets his kicks from torching a building full of people, and with his mama no less. So in effect, Trista has placed Ayla's importance BELOW that of arsonist, scuzbucket Ray.
ReplyDeleteTrista is one of those PATHETIC women who puts a man before her child at all costs.Anything to keep the man, to hell with the poor baby who has been reduced to an ornamental accessory and source of income.
well-said Cookie
DeleteYes well said cookie. I have upfront experience with a family member who was involved with a person who is bi-pol. Let me just say that she can be angelic one minute and an absolute monster the next. She lost her kids due to the violent episodes and although my brother loves her he can no longer live with the insane behaviour. She tells amazing stories that she believes because they play out in her head. The meds work amazing but she will not stay on them. God forbid she drinks booze!! Then its major major insane. One thing I have learned is these poor souls always blame others for the things they do and the hurt they cause. Perhaps they don't know or don't remember. Do I think Trista hurt her child, I hope not. Do I think she could have? If she is anything like others I have seen close up, sadly yes it is possible but then the question is how when Ayla was with daddy? It's just all so sad.
DeleteAhuh, and too bad someone is responsible for Ayla being missing. If trista is as bad as you say then poor Ayla went from that to a house where she was not protected??
DeleteI do however understand Trista flipflopping between sadness and anger, I'm not on pills or bi polar but I would be sad and angry.
Too bad that very someone might be her own mother or family. And now are they protecting her? Do they still talk to her everyday. Or are they too scared because it will give them away. So now Ayla will have to be hidden. At risk if something goes wrong medically because she does not have her family's medical background. What if she ever needed a blood transfusion. Or doctors needed to know her family history? How is that protecting her? Oh I know you will say that is just crazy they could not possibly have done that. But it is no more crazy than the theory of the father murdering her. So I think it too should be considered.
DeleteNobs.. can you give examples on how Tristas words is hindering the investigation into looking for Ayla? Do you actually believe the Le is going to take the words of Trista over all the evidence they have?
ReplyDeleteI personally dont believe that.
A mom trying to convince the public that she herself believes her child is not alive convinces that very public not to look for them. In a missing child's case the public's eyes are very important in looking for a child. If even one person is convinced that they should not keep their eyes open for that child because that mother believes her child is dead therefore why should that person be looking then that is one less person looking for that child. And that is a disservice to that child. Until and unless that child is declared dead with 100% proof every child deserves to be looked for 100%. So look back at what I said. Trista is hindering her being found. By the very words she speaks she hinders her being found. Those were my words. What mother would want a public to believe her dead rather than have hope her child was alive so that they would keep looking for her? Maybe one that would rather them believe her dead so they would stop looking. But why would a parent want the public to stop looking for a child? These are questions I have.
DeleteAs if people aren't keeping their eye our for Ayla . . . even though chances are that she is no longer with us, her beautiful face is pasted in all of our minds. . I don't believe Ayla is with us anymore or she would have been found by now, someone would have seen her. . . she was not kidnapped IMO nothing points in that direction.
DeleteWhere was it ever stated, except by people on this blog, that Trista has asked people to stop looking for Ayla? Of course she wants to find Ayla . . . . your post doesn't make sense.
DeleteWhen a child is missing people are asked to keep their eyes open and look at all the faces of children they see. That is the whole point of missing posters.
DeleteTrista has said repeatedly that she believes Ayla is "no longer alive" "that she has no Hope".
So answer me this how does it make sense that that would encourage the public to keep looking in the faces of children for her child?
I'm happy that you are still looking regardless NOBS.
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DeleteYes this blog has helped me to see that I needed to looked at this from more than one angle. I will not be one one of those who is convinced to stop looking.
NOBS, where are you looking? Public places? In State/out of state? Wooded areas ?
DeleteI recall Trista & Jeff asking people to look in their backyards and surrounding yards for Ayla. But I believe that would be an indicator that you believe Ayla is dead. I choose to believe Ayla is alive so no wooded areas for me.
DeleteKM----Weren't the whole bunch(PHOEBE,ELISHA,GABBY,JUSTIN,COURTNEY) staying at the tudela's during the holidays ? derek or darrel or heidi couldnt give them a ride or lend their cars out? and Phoebe had HER car, didn't she? I didn't hear that was impounded.I am calling bull on this info. the blood info/luminol enhanced pics may have been presented to Justin AFTER the cars were released. I am having a hard time believing the blood doesn't mean something. Why would the police even mention it at all if it was really just 3 small dots as Heidi claims? Makes no sense.
ReplyDeletePretty sure the Tudela's all had jobs and why would they need to when LE was kind enough to offer them a ride.
DeleteSorry to keep talking about U4A, but those people just amaze me with their idiotic comments!
ReplyDeleteChicago says:
September 22, 2012 at 12:58 pm "Sadly, when we looked at the very strong evidence in some of the other missing child cases and still no arrests, it seems LE is waiting for a confession. Even when they get one, which was the case in two cases I know about, that person still gets an attorney and goes to trial. We take good care of our criminals."
WOW, is all I can say.
signed:getrealpeople
getrealpeople
DeleteI now the feeling they get more nd more ridiculous over there. Nowthey are questioning meth use. LE has confirmed Pheobe was not home that night. that is one thing they have said so it is fact so why the need to discuss this other than to stir up more shit stories
GoldenOwl85 says:
September 22, 2012 at 9:25 pm
I was thinking about something earlier.[ I will try to make this comment short as possible. ]
About 2 1/2 weeks ago….I did a police ride along. A police ride along is when a LE student rides along with a cop, for a few hours.
Anyway, my cop and I picked up someone from a clinic who was claiming to be ‘suicidal’.
So we took this guy to Regions Hospital in St.Paul and while we were still in the ward area for the crazies. This guy started throwing magazines at the nurse and was cussing at her. The cop who I was with…saved the day. Anyway, the cop thought the man was high on Meth. We stayed with the nurse and in the room with the magazine thrower, while the nurse gave the man a shot to relax. The man was talking about all kinds of crazy stuff and wasn’t sure what was going on.
He kind of acted like we were all aliens.
Do you think someone in the house could have been on Meth? Maybe the Pheebs and that was why she claims not to have been home? Maybe she was “home” and didn’t really realize it. Maybe she hurt Ayla in a meth head state of mind and then went out the door…until she found a place to stay or woke up in someones front yard.
Just some food for thought.
Here is another. What splatter reports? Once again twisting things not reported. Splatter was mentioned by Anon LE
CG says:
September 22, 2012 at 11:24 pm
New hypothesis: shake and bake explosion/pulmonary contusion/expirated blood/death.
With something like that, the W3 could somewhat truthfully say they didn’t harm Ayla because they didn’t directly do anything to her. It would explain P’s need to deny the existence of a party at the house. It would give all of them reason to join the coverup. Impairment as Slotsky suggested maybe or maybe not. Any reason to think something like that realistically could have happened?
Whatever spilled her blood, assuming the spatter reports (including the size) are correct, either had to cause something like blood expiration or be a high impact event. This is one type of scenario we haven’t really considered.
CG says:
September 20, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Anon LE, John raised a theory on the other post as to whether someone’s attempted clean-up of a pool of blood at a crime scene could have resulted in a few spatter-like dots of watered-down blood being left behind. John, if you want to state that more elegantly, go ahead. The impetus for the convo was Heidi Tudela saying there were (only) four dots of blood the size of pen points and police had circled them. Do you have more insight into what might have been going on there if her report is accurate? Would investigators circle everything they could see with the naked eye or selected ones? If there were spatter and not just a pool of blood and someone attempted clean-up, how likely is it they could have succeeded in cleaning up everything but 4 little dots?
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This is my opinon & mine only; but if its proven clean- up was attempted & there were still 4 dots/pinpoints/spots of blood, it means they were missed during the clean-up attempt.
Investigators circle everything.
I do not see any other comments where he says what he thought might have caused it though. I think CG would be a better person to ask but I think the answer to the question is that the pen sized drops “spatter” could be produced by aspiration or blunt force. I hope CG can correct me if I am wrong.
with the heating season being dry, my kids used to get slightly bloody noses in the winter - I wonder if dots that size could be from a sneeze
DeleteI loved the way 29 Violette became a meth lab. Man, that came out of the blue and garnered an "Amen" or two.
DeleteThe meth lab, OMG! These people are losing it. Did LE not find it, or is it part of the investigation that can't be leaked. If dogs and cats have been dying, I guess the basement is off limits to any living animal.
DeleteCrazy stuff, along with their morbid scenarios.
signed:getrealpeople
getrealpeople...that was my favorite detail: the dead dogs and cats exposed to the aftermath of meth lab explosions.
DeleteI am not sorry I haven't been reading over there.
DeleteMcKee , I answered your question concerning dna/paternity tests. Either it was not accepted or I posted just before the thread was closed for comments. I could not find my reply.
ReplyDeleteOneannon...for some reason, my computer cannot reload comments beyond the 200 comment mark. As such, I missed your response to my rather snarky "multiple paternity tests" question.
ReplyDeleteI did, however, catch your comment to NOBS, and I agree with you. What harm is there in looking for a living, breathing Ayla? None whatsoever.
But to do so is putting MSP on the hot seat. Did they speak prematurely that Ayla is likely deceased? That would be a serious misstep, IMO. McCausland's reasoning for making such a grim conclusion sounded hollow and weak.
I cannot say wheather LE is confident enough with any evidence they may have to make the statement tho IMO they would not do that lightly.
DeleteIE the paternity tests, adult adopted as a baby, mother deceased, father listed on birth certificate questioned multiple paternity tests along with half sibling and aunt and uncle testing.
I did not know if you were being , "snarky" or not but thought maybe you were questioning my honesty.
I will not show proof to establish it as fact, but it is what it is and has no bearing on Aylas' case toher than to point out the lenght of time it takes to get results. I did not use a Maine state lab.
For anyone interested in Ariel Courtland, her demeanor, etc. watch Dr. Phil next week. She will be his guest.
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