Basic Definitions
False Dichotomy-a type of logical fallacy that involves a situation in which only two alternatives are considered, when in fact there is at least one additional option.
Argument from ignorance (or appeal to ignorance)-a fallacy in informal logic, where "ignorance" stands for "lack of evidence to the contrary."
Informal fallacy- an argument whose stated premises fail to support their proposed conclusion.
Argument-an attempt to persuade someone of something, by giving reasons or evidence for accepting a particular conclusion.
Absence of evidence-the absence, or lack of, any kind of evidence that may show, indicate, suggest, or be used to infer or deduce a fact.
Evidence of absence-evidence of any kind that can be used to infer or deduce the non-existence or non-presence of something.
Argumentum ad Ignorantiam---Appeal to Ignorance
Arguments that appeal to ignorance rely on the fact that the veracity of the proposition is not disproven to arrive at a definite conclusion. These arguments fail to appreciate that the limits of one's understanding or certainty do not change what is true (Sometimes law enforcement gets it wrong). Whatever the reality is, it does not “wait” for human logic or analysis to be formulated. Reality exists at all times, and it exists independently of what is in the mind of anyone. (Assertions by law enforcement do not change reality. Facts are facts...)
This fallacy can be very convincing (clearly) and is considered by some to be a special case of a false dilemma or false dichotomy in that they both fail to consider alternatives. A false dilemma may one of two forms:
- If a proposition has not been disproven, then it cannot be considered false and must therefore be considered true.
- If a proposition has not been proven, then it cannot be considered true and must therefore be considered false
Argument from incredulity/Lack of imagination
Arguments from incredulity take the form:- P is too incredible (or: I cannot imagine how P could possibly be true); therefore P must be false. No one could have entered the home or took Ayla without waking anyone or getting caught.
- It is obvious that P is true (or: I cannot imagine how P could possibly be false); therefore P must be true. Justin bought a life insurance policy, Ayla had her arm broken and suffered other injuries. The pattern of abuse escalated, so he harmed Ayla and caused her disappearance.
My Thoughts..
We have one of each type of false dichotomy in this case; ironically, both arguments are coming from the same side. This is ironic, because these terms/definitions are usually used in regard to a debate of some sort or to something that is in contention. The fact that both logical fallacies come from the same side explains why there can be no reasonable debate about Ayla's disappearance.
Referring to the bullets above, we see these two things have been alleged or put forth by the other side:
- Justin, or someone in the DiPietro household harmed Ayla and then hid her body. This has not been refuted by the "facts" in the case; therefore it cannot be considered false has to be considered true.
- Ayla was not kidnapped. There is no evidence of this happening; therefore it cannot be considered true and must be considered false.
I feel that it is important to reiterate the fact that these so-called appeals to ignorance can be very convincing, but that one's certainty and one's understanding have limits. Reality does not change, so believing strongly that one scenario is more plausible than another, will not make it so.
When it comes to the kidnapping claim, which is central to this case despite MSP ruling it out, we don't know if law enforcement found no evidence because it does not exist (evidence of absence), or if they simply lack proper means of detection (absence of evidence).
Note: I am not implying at all that their investigation was flawed in any way, but insufficient means of detection could refer to any number of things...such as the inability to smell B.S.
What are your thoughts? Beware, if you cannot discuss them rationally, you should simply click the red 'x' in the corner of your screen!
Great post Obscure! Im sleepy but will think on this and get back to it tomorrow.
ReplyDeleteRest well...see ya then!
DeleteDon't choke in your sleep! :)
DeleteVery interesting Post.
ReplyDeleteI think all are involved in, and have been used in this case.
Fallacy, False Dichotomy, Argument from ignorance, informal fallacy, absense of evidence and evidence of absence.
What bothers me the most, I think is argument from ignorence, along with both absence of evidence & evidence of absence.
I look forward to reading comments from others.
Obscure, it's too bad that the only people that will recognize the truth in this post are the ones who already knew it to begin with.
ReplyDeleteIt is my hearts desire that the people using this kind of flawed logic would miraculously recognize it. When they, instead, opt not to even comment here you'll know the impact this one had. Their only options will be to either avoid response, comment off topic rather han engage in *this discussion*, or try to rework the whole post against your views- or the views of people like me. It will be incorrect but someone will do it and be proud of themselves for it. Never having truly hewed on it for a while in self reflection. -yb
*i meant never having "chewed on it for a while." So sorry that I'm being careless in my typing. I don't get along well with touchscreens. -yb
DeleteFantastic post. I think too many people watch too much TV and expect that there should always be forensic evidence to solve a crime. Unfortunately, real life doesn't always work that way.
ReplyDeleteWhat I find most compelling about this case is that LE states there was no evidence to support an abduction. Does this also mean that there was no "planted" evidence? In other words, was there no attempt to make this appear to be a kidnapping? It just seems to me that if a person, or group of people, were to call in a false report of a kidnapping that they would at least make an effort to stage such a scenario. I mean seriously, if they took the time to clean up an alleged cup of blood (which I'll get to in a minute)and concoct a story, wouldn't it also make sense to break a window or put some pry marks on the door or something?
About that blood-assuming that the blood was cleaned up, does anyone know what method LE would be using to quantify blood that was no longer present?
I've seen Forensic Files where experts have estimated blood loss based on the size and pattern of stains revealed by luminol. I don't know what kind of flooring was in the basement, but blood soaked through to carpet padding or sub flooring figured into the cases on the tv show. I have no idea how they arrive at the estimates. I would guess through recreations with similar materials, comparison to other criminologist's finding, etc.
DeleteI've asked the same blood question and was told wasn't cleaned up...which makes no sense whatsoever. They think the DiPietros are going to leave a slew of blood on the floor & call the cops to report Ayla missing?
DeleteAnyway, good questions & food for thought.
I wonder how big the blood stains were on Justin's mattress (which they took from the house) and the sheet (which they also took). We already know those samples belong to Trista.
DeleteI think some of the difference in opinion is based on our experience. I don't know the percentages, but MANY who post about the "murder of Ayla" are crime enthusiasts. Some of us are following a case for the first time. Some of us come from the perspective of what is basic human nature and common sense. What has actually been said and what hasn't? How many of us with children and grandchildren can imagine being in the DiPietros' position? I see the love my children have for their own kids as well as their nieces/nephews - and I know my love for all of them. I can not imagine something so heinous happening to one of my grandchildren and one of my children being at fault - and then we all would lie about it and cover for the one who did it? That makes NO sense. What favors would anyone be receiving? That would help no one. I was talking with my husband about this and he said if he knew his kid did something like that he would be the first one to call the police. I don't think we are exceptional in feeling the way we do... it is the norm. Sadly, there are exceptions to the norm, but those exceptions tend to be one or two people acting alone... not 5 to 10+ people conspiring together.
Good questions "more questions"!
DeleteWe are repeatedly told by many, that LE says there is no evidence to support an abduction, yet Justin and the others concocted this story of an abduction and did not even try to make it look like one? (Appeal to ignorance and/or informal fallacy?)
I also would like to know how the quantity of blood is calculated. Wiping up drops of blood with a damp cloth will spread blood cells around that you cannot see. Even if you rinse the cloth, blood cells will be present, now, throughout the cloth, and you would spread them further. Wiping up once or twice will make the area with blood cells larger. I would think your cleaning techniques would differ from wiping up some blood from, say a cut foot, as compared to cleaning up a crime scene! LE did say there was blood visible to the naked eye, and some of the blood found was Ayla's.
So Ayla could have scraped herself, gotten a small cut on her foot or hand (as if that doesn't happen to young children! LOL) She would of left a blood print somewhere and nobody saw it to clean it up!
These people are appealing to ignorance, with their lies. They are appealing to the types of people that are attracted to these gruesome stories they tell (ex. rubbernecks at a terrible auto accident) People who have no patience for justice to be served to the one responsible. They want someone guilty now, as if it were an hour long TV episode! Armchair detectives! LOL
No offense to LE, but McCausland's(sp?) remark that no one could walk in that house and take Ayla without being heard, is an example of "Argument from incredulity". I just can't believe he said that. How many homes are burglarized everyday in the U.S. while the people in the home are asleep?
Sorry this was long. Great post Obscure :)
signed: getrealpeople
No disrespect intended but I do have a problem that on December 27 Waterville police said However, now the police say they are confident that it is a case of kidnapping and not of 'child missing' case. http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/272918/20111227/ayla-reynolds-missing-child-kidnapped-30000-reward.htm
Deletethen on December 30 MSP say no abduction. What happened in those 3 days after WPD walked through the home and the property without any booties or gloves contaminating everything and not preserving what they did not consider at the time to be a crime scene. How in 3 days could the focus change from confident of an abduction to not possible? This makes me believe the police are using any tactic possible
I don't think they used the word "kidnapping" - but I understand what you're saying.
Deletehttp://bangordailynews.com/2011/12/26/news/mid-maine/police-post-30000-reward-for-information-on-missing-toddler/
I don't think that the reasons you state above "justin bought a life ins policy, Ayla had her arm broken and suffered other injuries, therefore, he did it" THEORY are not the only facts that are swaying peoples decision...couple those facts you listed with....a text to the childs mother stating fear that the baby would be kidnapped..and what do you know?? ..we have a kidnapped baby...the statement to the public that "you are not the parent, you have no right"...the text to Trista...."you took the baby and we have proof"..another statement to the public that someone must not have liked his parenting, implying that whoever took her, knew him.....now is not the time!!..he throws out all these little tidbits of information and never explains what the hell he is talking about??? He looks and acts guilty...
ReplyDeleteYou had the nerve to say he "looks" guilty. How does Trista look? Don't answer, because then you would just be acting like me.
DeleteAre any of those things actually FACTS, or are they things that TRISTA told you?
@anon:
DeleteYou believe he looks and acts guilty... therefore he must be! OMG!!! is that how you really want our judicial system to work?
"..the text to Trista...."you took the baby and we have proof"" huh?
Your comment is the perfect example to fit "all" the definitions and types of arguments stated above.
signed: getrealpeople
are any of those things said facts? so are you denying that he made any of those comments to the public?
ReplyDelete@Anonymous "are any of those things said facts..."
Delete1) Justin bought an life insurance policy. Derek said he sold him one? I'm not sure.
2) Ayla broke her arm. Yes she did
3) Ayla suffered other injuries. Trista says Justin abused Ayla, but she never did anything to stop it? Could a person who is drunk, or on drugs, abuse a child?
4) Text stating fears that Ayla would be kidnapped. Haven't seen any proof of that. Did Trista's family threaten Justin that they would keep him from seeing Ayla?
5) Statement to public, "you are not the parent, you have no right". Yes Justin said that. His child disappeared.
6) "you took the baby and we have proof". Never heard that statement!
So he hasn't given you the answers you want (and he looks and acts guilty)... soooo he must be guilty.
Very logical thinking! LOL
signed: getrealpeople
when I say he looks guilty, i am referring to his 'actions', not his appearance..and i'm not interested in bashing his or the moms appearance...it has nothing to do with this case...
ReplyDeleteto getrealpeople.....getinformedpeople...and you're not gonna do it reading this blog...there are things that are purposely withheld from readers on this blog....getinformedpeople...too many people are personally involved with Trista now, outside of the blogs...do you really think all those individuals are going to keep her big secret of stealing the baby....you have no idea what your talking about, believe me...I was a supporter of Justin at one time, then I found out the things that this blog keeps from everyone...getinformed ....you can personally email alot of individuals involved in this case...you don't even have to ask specific questions or post on a blog....that is how willing and open they are to answer questions...
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