Jeffrey says:
He got back to Waterville Friday morning were he stayed until Ayla was “found missing” the next day. On that morning of 12/17/11 Justin called Derek for his advice (which was what he told the police), he then called his mom (Phoebe), and at 8:56am he called 911 twice at some point after the police called him back he locked himself in the bathroom until they arrived.
1. “found missing” is an interesting choice of words. Even more interesting that the quotation marks are used. A person cannot be found missing. If she was found, she's not missing. If she was missing, she's not found. You have to either be found, or be missing. Deception indicated...
2. Unless Justin, Courtney, Elisha, or Phoebe told Trista that Justin locked himself in the bathroom, how would Trista know? Police would presumably only know what happened once they got there...Is this another thing that has been "misconstrued"?
Again I am sorry, but know this: As we uncover more details of what happened to Ayla, the story of Ayla is going to change as it is by no means finished. If I find anything to the contrary of what has been said by Trista or I, then by my honor I will make it right, if not for the perfect strangers who fight for the truth, then to myself.
3. My significant other always says that when you use the word "but" you negate everything that came before it. Hmmm...So Jeffrey is really saying:
4.This the second time that Jeffrey has suspiciously used the word "story". As I said before, when I think of a story, I think of something that is made up; fictional. Apparently Jeffrey does too...he's had a field day making shit up.
5. Trista is incapable of lying, per Jeffrey. So there should be nothing "to the contrary" of what she has said. What's up with using all these $2 words instead of saying LIED, LYING, LIAR?
6. Jeffrey pledges something by his honor. Deception indicated. He has no honor, and has shown that time and time again.
We are all trying to make some sense from the senseless death of a beautiful little girl. ..and if the Maine Attorney General Janet Mills has anything to say about it, we might just get Justice for Ayla…7. Who is "we"? If something is senseless you cannot make sense out of it. It lacks sense. There is no sense to be made. And by trying to make sense of it, does he mean that he is trying to come up with details? Making up stories? Convincing people?
8. He alludes to the Maine Attorney General, but instead of elaborating, he links to a post about Camp Charla. If you have nothing of substance to say, change the subject.
By the way, has anyone notified Carol Bengle Gilbert that she's been duped? Her story is still up...
Exactly, how would LE know that Justin "barricaded" himself between his call to 911 and the arrival of the police ? Except if Elisha or Courtney reported it this way, which I doubt.
ReplyDeleteHere is a question put to Jeff on United for Ayla
Jeff, I have one question. You said the trip to Portland on the night of Ayla’s disappearance was a misunderstanding from Trista (that it took place before). So who said that the trip to Portland was maybe to get rid of Ayla’s body ?
Then
How then did this comment appear ? Quote from this blog :
Both DiPietro and Roberts rented apartments in Portland, but Hanson did not know if one of those apartments was DiPietro’s destination. He said investigators are considering the possibility the trip’s purpose was disposal of Ayla’s body.
And the answer from Jeff
February 23, 2013 at 11:58 pm
question, which has been asked twice within the blog, but I will answer it here. Trista said that the investigators have considered the possibility “the trip’s” purpose was to dispose of Ayla’s body or drugs. before the correction “the trip” took place on the morning of 12/17 before the 911 call… after the correction “the trip” took place during the two days that Justin was moving his belongings.
but it has been verified that Ayla was alive on the 16th and in Waterville, so I believe they abandoned that theory. Also the searches that LE has done have been contained to the Waterville area.. I know it’s confusing about the correction, so let me just say it as simply as I can.. In my earlier conversations with Trista she had everything happening on the day Ayla was found missing, but it actually happened two days before. which she found out this past Thursday.. hope that helps
Sabotage.
DeleteBonnie...to borrow from Obscure...BATSHIT CRAZY.
DeleteJeff will keep lying in a futile attempt to cover up his lies. When caught or trapped, he'll simply blame Trista for "misconstruing" the details.
Meanwhile, I hope Derek Tudela has retained a hot-shit attorney to take Jeff to the cleaners.
The cleaners? For what?
DeleteJeffrey has nothing to lose except a motorcycle and his four-legged lover.
Ooops, I did it again!
I guess good ol grandpa Jeff doesn't realize just how stupid he sounds.
DeleteLet me help those who may not understand why I say that.
LE knew that Ayla was alive and seen on 12/16.
That is one of the first things that they established.
Therefore there is no way that they theorized that a trip a few days before was to dispose of a body.
Now we have drugs added to the trip?
Not to mention, MSP has never publicly uttered a word about drugs.
DeleteI don't read over there regularly, and it appears they took down your comment already. What did it say?
Deleteits still up on j4a...confusing, I know.
DeleteThere is no doubt that Jeff knew this story was bullshit when he posted it. But take a look at the spin on u4a. Trista is taking the fall and Jeff is still a hero.
DeleteManipulation 101. How do you call someone a liar when you can't be the one to call them a liar? Easy. You repeat their words and let someone else call them a liar.
Kinda like we were supposed to do with the purple bag and ladybug blanket...
S. or Selena where have you been. . afraid to show yourself these days
DeleteI liked your post over at J4A, Obscure.
ReplyDeleteDid I say like it? Correction...LOVED IT!
Thank you. Jeffrey is a funny guy. Instead of answering the simple questions posed directly to him, he talks about me "not getting it."
DeleteOh, I get it, and that's why he has a problem. His rants are proof positive that I get it. He doesn't get that. LOL
I haven't read it yet.
DeleteMust go do so.
Oops, I think I replied under the wrong thread. My previous comment was meant to be in reply to this thread. Sorry.
DeleteIt must have hit a nerve they hit the delete button as usual. Man how do those people survive in the real world with no delete button!!
DeleteObscure never rants. . lolololo I come here for entertainment now. . . sick, sick entertainment
DeleteMy thought is how long did it take LE to find out Ayla was well and alive and seen by witnesses on December 16th ? If they knew Ayla was alive and well on December 16th, which probably didn't take them long to find out, how would they have even considered at some point that Justin had gone to Portland to get rid of Ayla's body before that date ?
ReplyDeleteJeffrey made up the entire "story."
DeleteThat's my opinion. It doesn't make sense.
LE knew Ayla didn't go missing before the 16th/17th.
LE knew Justin didn't leave the Waterville area after the 16th.
At what point would he have taken a trip for LE to even consider disposal?
And Jeffrey saying Justin didn't leave Waterville after the 16th may or may not have come from LE.
Sorry, replied above before I saw this.
DeleteWe're in complete agreement.
"By the way, has anyone notified Carol Bengle Gilbert that she's been duped? Her story is still up"
ReplyDelete...
I believe, if I'm not mistaken, that she comments on U4A, so knows all about the retraction.
Pretty shitty of her to not issue a retraction yet.
DeleteWell I thought it was pretty shitty of her to print it in the first place, without verifying the info.
DeleteThat too...smh
Deletesince she is a "contributor" she is not held to journalist's standards of accountability or integrity
Deletejuststop"start"the lies pretty shitty blog . . . laughable actually.
DeleteHow is it that simple, curious, outsider blog readers like us could have a better and more clear understanding of what happened in the 48 hours before a child went missing than her own mother and family? They read the same blogs as we do but have the advantage of a direct relationship with MSP (as indicated by Trista's face to face 6 weeks ago and recent clarifying question to "her detective")? I mean, really? How could we know more and have to set Jeff straight to the point he had to post a complete retraction of such inflammatory statements as a result of our questions?
ReplyDeleteI just can't wrap my head around it and it makes me even more sad for Ayla.
~Scout
Indeed, Scout - and in case you missed it, this is YET AGAIN Trista's fault because SHE misconstrued what she was told. It's not up to Carol Bengle Gilbert or Jeff Hanson to verify the "facts" THEY CHOOSE to report. Trista can say what she wants to Jeff, she can misinterpret all day long. It's not her fault what he does with what she says. He knows her.
DeleteIt's not like CBG and Jeff are "reporting" on where they think the best places to eat are. This is serious. Finding Ayla is serious. Slander is serious. If you have the truth on your side, why make up lies? Especially about something like this? Who does it help? And Jeff's behavior when he posts about Obscure is not becoming of a grandfather figure. This is not a chess game at a frat party. Sickening.
To whom does Jeffrey serve as a grandfather figure?
Deletehmmm... probably no one... I guess I could have said "is not becoming of someone who calls himself Ayla's grandfather"
DeleteReally people. As for Jeff he was a big part in her life so basically in your own pitiful spiteful way you are going to try to run that to ground also. If you take everything away then it will be easier to run him to ground. You people have way toooo much time on your hands. I hope non of you call yourself christians cause it would it would be hard to prove it at this time.
DeleteObscure Jeffrey is a much better grandfather figure than you are a parent figure. . . I still can't believe you are a parent. . NOW THATS SCARY. Those poor "little people" lol
DeleteLOL
DeleteI took the time to get to know my kids...I didn't wait until one of them went missing to find out all I could about them, then post it on a blog for attention.
Where was super ex-step grandfather when Ayla was being neglected by her drug addicted mother? Why was the drug addicted mother homeless with two children, if Jeffrey was so great?
He was too busy figuring out ways to attach his four-legged "friend" to his bike so he could "ride it." (The bike, that is)
But yeah. You're right ;)
I think it is safe to say that Jeff Hanson is no longer on CBG's speed dial.
ReplyDelete@mckeekitty - What makes you think that? I don't see any change to my Google NewsBot summaries. CBG's article is still appearing on my homepage newsfeed. [Read it as if it were the only news you have read about Ayla Reynolds, and tell me what your individual public sentiment is now.] Read all the updated comments on CBG's story. It's enlightening.
DeleteI keep Ayla Reynolds and Lisa Irwin listed as 'topics' so that I get the current news involving their cases and it shows the online news bean counters that there is interest in the girls' stories.
posted by pogamen 2/24/2013
McKeeKitty, this is what my newsfeed will look like until someone writes new articles or updates these...
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Ayla Reynolds Died in Father's House, Family Says
Yahoo! News (blog) Feb 12, 2013 Written by
Carol Bengle Gilbert
Ayla Reynolds, the 20-month-old reported missing from Waterville, Maine, in December 2011 is dead, her step-grandfather Jeff Hanson reported on a family website.
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Police to relatives: Evidence exists Ayla Reynolds is not alive
Morning Sentinel - Feb 11, 2013
On Sunday, Ayla's step-grandfather posted a brief summary of the meeting on his website, saying that investigators told Trista Reynolds that there is "unequivocal evidence" that her daughter Ayla is dead. Police, however, won't confirm the claim. Jeff ...
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Missing Baby Ayla Reynolds' Father Allegedly Took a 2-Hour Trip Before ...
The Stir - Feb 14, 2013
Toddler Ayla Reynolds went missing over a year ago, and since then, things have gotten more complex and bizarre. Recently, Ayla's mother's stepfather said on a website dedicated to finding the little girl that the state had "unequivocable" evidence ...
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posted by pogamen 2/24/2013
If the police has proof that Ayla is dead, why don't they say so ? We hear very often about people who are declared dead but whose bodies have not been recovered yet. Personally, I have always thought that Justin might know what happened and I don't really think that Trista is involved in Ayla's disappearance.
DeletePolice has said that it's highly unlikely that Ayla is still alive, Jeff says Trista told her LE told her they have unequivocal evidence she is dead. Why won't they declare her dead then ?
When we see the big lie Jeff has just made about investigators saying Justin took a trip to Portland to dispose of Ayla's body, and involving completely innocent people with him, plus Justin barricading himself, how are we to believe the rest ?
RE: "Why don't they declare her dead then?" Because then JD could collect on the life (death) insurance policy.
DeleteI highly doubt that LE determines whether they legally pronounce someone dead or not based an insurance pay out. If a person is dead and LE has proof I am pretty sure LE would have to announce them dead.
DeleteIt is then left up to the ins co to determine whether a policy is payable or suspicious I would imagine.
It has nothing to do with the insurance policy. No insurance company would give money if they suspect that there has been foul play in the victim's death. LE has apparently spent over 500000 dollars on the investigation, the insurance money is small compared to the amount which has been spent on the investigation. No this is certainly not the reason why Ayla has not been declared dead.
DeleteI don't think the LIP has a thing to do with MSP declaring Ayla deceased.
DeleteBefore Justin could collect the insurance co. would investigate. There is no way the insurance co. would pay a claim for someone whose death is being investigated by LE. Not until said case was solved.
What I want to know is why Trista has no sense of respect for herself or others? She is pregnant again, yet her apparent boyfriend is in jail. That is quite telling of her personality.
ReplyDeleteTrista has a new boyfriend...Alex. Raymond Fortier, the father of Trista's young son, is doing time for Class A arson. Nice.
DeleteTrista makes babies like making cakes.
I would have liked to hear that Trista secured a job or was taking classes. Perhaps doing some volunteer work. SOMETHING.
Instead, I must wait for Jeff to report if Trista is carrying a boy or a girl.
Fucked up.
Me too. I didn't expect her to forget about Ayla completely by making a new baby. Sad.
Deletewow....Becasue she is supposedly pregnant you people feel she will forget about ayla. She is clean now, still going through all the emotional ups and downs of having a missing daughter. And still all you self righteous squeeky clean wanna be recognized stay at home computer detectives still feel you have to go out of your way to play high school games of " Im better than you are". NOW I ask you ..........What the Blazes does her supposedly pregnancy have to do with her missing daughter. No answer. I thought so. Again the Petty People get stumped. Its not any fun if you can't throw dirt and possibly get a chance to crush someone with your words. Maybe" you people " would better like Aylas mom if she was locked up somewhere do to the stress of a missing and probably dead daughter. But then you would still have her past and you would no doubt find a way to integrate it so she is still the worthless bad mommy you want her to be. Yep you are all very childish But I will stay pray for you all, there is always hope, you gotta just keep looking and praying
DeleteWhile having another baby wont make her forget Ayla, the point here is that it shows again what kimd of person Trista is. Why is she getting knocked up again? Even if sheis cleaned up, does she have a job? Who is supporting this new baby? Thats where I have a huge problem. I am so sick of these unemployed, unwed mothers popping out baby after baby with the assumption taxpayers will pay the bills. Where is she getting medical insurance? From the state? Because if so, there are free clinics everywhere that also offer free birth control. She is not financially stable regardless of whether you feel she is emotionally stable. Its irresponsible of her to be bringing any more kids into her life right now.
DeleteHmmm... JD has at least 2 baby mamma's... people seem to conveniently forget that. Neither has anything to do with this case though, but people will keep tossing it in there as a distraction to the real issue.
DeleteKatie has branded me as one of the childish people not interested in finding the truth about Ayla.
ReplyDeleteKatie- copy and paste HERE where I have ever said anything false, slanderous or not related to finding the truth about Ayla which sometimes means calling b.s. on lies and subterfuge.
TT
DeleteI can assure you that Katie does not feel that way. She has a very good heart and is all about Ayla. She just picked popular names from the blogs to use as examples. Here is her explanation to Michelle
*:*Katie*:*February 24, 2013 at 9:04 PM
I'm sorry Michelle, to be honest the names just were the common ones I know from following both blogs. Regardless of what ones name is, I truly hope we can all use this as a positive place.
There's a difference between sharing thoughts and blatant lies. That is where hopefully the most changes will be seen.
TT, I don't think she meant it personally, she was giving examples.
DeleteTT,
DeleteIn no way was my comment a slight to anyone. Simply pulled names from my memory and said I could care less who thinks what about everyone else. I'm sorry if you took it that way. Not my intentions at all.
http://statement-analysis.blogspot.com/2013/02/carol-bengle-gilbert-on-ayla-reynolds.html
ReplyDeleteFriday, February 15, 2013
Carol Bengle Gilbert on Ayla Reynolds
Carol Bengle Gilbert continues to help keep the story of Baby Ayla from disappearing from the public's view:
http://news.yahoo.com/ayla-reynolds-died-fathers-house-family-says-201900238.html
The DiPietros have not released statements and are acutely aware of analysis of such. Please see articles here, as well as Kaaryn Gough's analysis and Mark McClish' analysis.
Statement Analysis has concluded that Justin DiPietro is deliberately withholding information about what happened to Ayla, with linguistic indications that Ayla is deceased, and that her remains were disposed of in water.
Media has picked up upon the 160 mile trip that Justin DiPietro made to Portland before calling 911, something known for quite some time, which suggests that some of the evidence was dumped miles from the Kennebec River.
There still has been no arrests in what appears to be a very strong circumstantial case against DiPietro. One of the reasons why there have been no arrests may be that the "Waterville Three" are all sticking to their deceptive story, leaving prosecutors with the choice of filing charges against all three, rather than just the father.
Linguistic indicators are that Justin DiPietro and his sister, Elisha DiPietro both took polygraphs: Justin DiPietro said he "smoked" his, while his sister said she did "fine" but refused to answer the question, "yes, but did you pass it?" making the question of passing the polygraph "sensitive" to her. Both were raised by Phoebe DiPietro who was caught on television also being deceptive about what happened the fateful night before Ayla was reported missing. Police have yet to release the 911 call.
Angela Harry, apologist for DiPietro, published an online account (see reference in Carol's article) which, when shown to be deceptive, was taken down and replaced with a new "story" of what happened.
The original article will be republished here, shortly, with analysis.
I need to take a leave of absence from posting/commenting as I have fallen behind my for-pay work once again. I don't live off of the state and my utility bills get paid every month in full.
ReplyDeleteI'll be back when able but will still read!
I'll miss your comments
Deletehttp://fremont.patch.com/articles/death-penalty-could-be-sought-for-sierra-lamar-suspected-killer-7d3cbccd
ReplyDeleteI know the case is different but they don't have Sierra's body. So if LE have unequivocal proof that Ayla is dead (as Jeff and Trita say), why don't they declare she is dead ? (instead of highly unlikely....) or that she has been killed ? It's been 14 months !
Anonymous 2/24/13, 10:51 pm you said "She is pregnant again, yet her apparent boyfriend is in jail"
ReplyDeleteWho are you saying is in jail? Her current boyfriend?
You know, the guy who tried to kill an entire apartment building full of people.
DeleteMcKee Kitty, isn't it a dammed shame you don't control the world! See? I was right about you. Control issues! Gad, if Tricis had none done what you told her to! If only everyone listened to you, and followed your lead and emulated your spotless record! Do you have a record?
ReplyDeleteYou are only here because you needed to feel important and John at that other place somehow wouldn't go along with you and made you feel unimportant in the scheme of things. You cannot be te-ed off in that fashion. How dare he! Doesn't he lknow who you are? You know the actions, or non-actions of the DiPietro Klan are highly suspicious...especially Justin...you have said so many times on the online Sentinel postings. You were one of the most clamorous voices, along with your buddy, TT, against the silences and lies of the DiPietros. Yet, here you are in your glory, with Charla, the "objective" and "disinterested" "non-relative" of anyone involved in Ayla's disappearance.
You know why you are here. It is not about finding Ayla, attempting to solve the case (as if anyone here or on other blogs could), or bring some measure of justice for this little girl.
You are simply a person seeking to be the head honcha of posters, probably on any site since you cannot hold sway on the Sentinel, now, and other Ayla sites when you got your well-place nose out of joint. If this is the only game in town, it has to be as guru of a bunch of weird post-graduate DiPietro fangurrls, well, any port in a storm, right McKee? Or do you, too, think Justin is just a poor innocent boy...but kinda cute in his zip-the lip kinda way? I don't think so!
Wait, Tricia, McKee Kitty will pick out your next boyfriend's Dunne and Bradstreet and arrange your charity-attendance schedule and, although Kitty knows you didn't take Ayla and harm her in a ninja-styled abduction scenario, she has to run her fingers over the pad and control your life in any way she can. Now, do what she tells ya'! Kitty's a taxpayer and a complete control freak, so okay, Tricia? Wise up.
Anon you are crazy. Btw who is Tricia?
DeleteOh look Mckee, it's your very own troll.....funny, anon, that you grab onto what Mckee has to say but in no way do you dis what any other person has to say about Trista (by the way thats the mother of Ayla's name, not Tricia)....
Deleteoaklandrez
Who's Tricis?
DeleteWho's Tricia?
except for the "Tricia" part this sounds like Penny
DeleteAnonymous 12:39 You do realize McKee is an alias right? I hardly think someone can feel important when they are trying too be somewhat invisible.
DeleteMy very own troll...LOL!
DeleteNow, as "head honcho" of posters, I COMMAND all of you to pay me tribute. Submit your minds to my control, and follow my direction. Do not hesitate. Do not waiver. Do not question. I have an insatiable need to feel important here...Ayla is a mere afterthought.
There anonymous 12:39. Feel better now?
Definelty Pennyauntie-esque, the space between. The poster deliberately butchered Trista's name to throw off his/her identity. Notice how Trista's name is the ONLY misspelling in the entire rant? Certainly someone who has followed this story on the MS, J4A, U4A, and here would know that Ayla's mother's name is TRISTA...not "Tricis" or "Tricia."
DeleteBUT...I don't know for sure and won't go further than "pennyauntie-esque."
McKee,
DeleteI don't know if Anonymous feels better, but I do.
I enjoy your sense of humor.
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DeleteJeff said:
ReplyDeleteAnon; "Trista was shown a projected slideshow of the photos that MSP had that led them to believe that Ayla is "highly unlikely" to be alive"
I found that an interesting comment. I think probably an honest one.
MSP showed Trista photo's of what led them to *believe* that it is highly unlikley they will find Ayla alive.
"Highly unlikely", is certainly far from "unequivocal".
Led to *believe*, is not certain.
Did they tell her that these photo's are what promted their annoncement in May? --In other words, this is what led us to make that announcement in May?
Were the photo's of Luminol glow?
Was all testing completed by the end of May?
Why the change Jeff from unequivocal, to highly unlikely? Is unequivocal your word and not MSP?
Cosigning in hopes that your post doesn't get lost in all the "let's out Obscure's identity" bullshit.
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ReplyDeleteAnonymous, why are you giving all this names ?
ReplyDeleteI approved all comments not even realizing ppl were playing the out obscure game...didnt have time at work to read all but also didnt want to hold up the commenting...ugh..as soon as I get to computer I will remove all.
ReplyDeleteLOL...why do people have to suck? ;-)
DeleteWhy is it if they have nothing to add and refuse to admit you called Jeff out then it is the guess Obscure's name again. Oh I know you are Mary Friggin Poppins damn it. I win admit it. I bet you won't delete this because I'm right LMAO. Really I could care less who you are as long as you continue to call out the bullshit and Just Stop The Lies.
DeleteWhy is some troll obsessed with outing you?
DeleteAlso, if these "names" belong to real people, the troll is messing with the private identity of others.
I don't think there are many here with a burning desire to know who you are obscure. But I really hate this shit. It is distracting and annoying as hell.
Some people don't care who they mess with - clearly, look at what they say about the DiPietros and the people they know. I think it's blatantly obvious that Obscure is not five or six different people - even if they had 1 name correct, they don't care that they are falsely naming the others. And what is the point of attaching a name to Obscure? So people can harass her? She writes a blog, she has an opinion, read it or don't.
Delete"And what is the point of attaching a name to Obscure? So people can harass her?"
DeleteYes, that's the point.
I have ask several times in the past, what is the importance of knowing who Obscure is?
One person responded, one, out of all that seem so obsessed with knowing. The response, everyone had the right to know, and so that he or she could be publicly shamed. In other words, harassed.
An honest reply.
Lots of people's names have been exposed (on both sides of the fence) and people have tried to harass them and threaten them. It isn't only on the Justin supporter side. Personally, someone's personal name isn't important, unless they are involved in this crime. Everyone else is just an innocent person trying to find out what happened.
DeleteUm, the anon parade and random names, are coming across as uneducated wak-a-noodles.
ReplyDeleteThey all seem like they might be high. That or they are all teenagers? The more ignorant they sound, the more believable it is that they are from camp Trista.
Seriously people you are not doing mommy dearest any favors.
We already know who obscure is and we don't care. At least she isn't afraid to post the truth.
ReplyDeleteI Had To Do It
ReplyDeleteAnswers For AylaFebruary 25, 2013 at 7:36 PM
IThinkIWillCallMyselfChickenLittle.. wow, say that 10 times fast...
Anon 1:32 mentioned "Justin and/or his family???"
I meant that MSP is using everything within their power to extract information from the Dipietro's family (as well as their circle of friends). MSP does not believe the Dipietro's version of what happened to Ayla.. (and now, neither do we).
This should come as no surprise to anyone. including the Dipietro's.
I cannot say how Trista has been involved as she has signed a non-disclosure form, only that she has helped MSP in their discovery process.
But I am 100% sure (what's with all the percentages lately anyway)? that Trista is not a suspect. as I am sure you are too.
Now tell me Jeff are you as 100% sure that Trista is not a suspect(even though LE has never name a suspect or a person of interest neither have they cleared anyone) as you were that LE told Trista that they know Justin took a trip to Portland to dispose of Ayla's body? Now before yo answer think back in February 2012 it was reported "Trista Reynolds said that although police haven’t confirmed it, she is not a suspect. She said part of the reason for that is that police have told her things about the investigation. " Trista herself said "The police have told me I can tell people whatever I want about the investigation, but that they won’t back me up with it,” Reynolds said.
Now are you sure this is just not another thing that Trista misunderstood? You know she has a habit of misunderstanding things.
Quotes taken from http://bangordailynews.com/2012/02/15/news/state/aylas-mother-going-on-offensive-in-search-for-missing-girl/
If my child were taken away from me in the way that Trista's was I would have a really, really hard time thinking. . . just saying. If anyone on this stupid blog thinks that they would be able to think straight after losing your baby you are where you belong. . .on Obscure's blog the woman that picks out cases like this and chooses to torture a grieving mom. . .yup I would be so proud if she were my child. . .NOT
Delete"If my child were taken away from me in the way that Trista's was I would have a really, really hard time thinking..."
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Anonymous 5:51...we don't know how Trista's (and Justin's) child was taken away. We know we won't figure it out on a blog, but we can explore and discuss what has been said by the major players and LE.
Obscure you may have been able to sway the jury in the Casey Anthony case but it isn't working here lol
ReplyDeleteDid I miss the trial?
Delete“I feel deep down inside that he didn’t hurt her,” said mother Trista Reynolds, who lives in Portland, of the baby’s father, “but I do think he did something with her.”
ReplyDeletehttp://www.necn.com/12/19/11/Missing-toddlers-mom-I-do-think-he-Aylas/landing_newengland.html?blockID=615320
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"I think he did something WITH her."
I don't need no stinking SA to know that is far different than suggesting "he did something TO her."
Kitty, I'm puzzled that you are now giving Trista (whom we all know is so far below your personal syntax accreditation) points for good grammar!
ReplyDeleteWhen did Trista say this? Recently? Or at the start of the investigation?
Why in the name of heaven would anyone, especially early in the case, want to believe that a one-night stand guy who doesn't carry a condom for his hallway encounters, did something TO the result of that "non-relationship"?
Wouldn't one...Trista... want to believe that a clean-cut, one-night stand-er like Justin, just hid Ayla away? Or gave her away? Or sold her away? Anything, but "to". "With" by all means! "To" is what she is probably thinking, now.
And for what reason would Justin do the "with"? Well, for one thing, he would not have to put up with Trista using Ayla to "tell me what to do."
"I'm not having you tell me what to do." (Quote from Justin. He's quite firm about this. His mantra with Trista when her child goes missing from his house.)
Logical fallacy.
DeleteYou trust Trista to remember a "quote" from Justin that happened months before her daughter disappeared, when she couldn't get her story straight about what LE told her 6 weeks ago?
That is not a quote from Justin by the way, it's Trista's rendition of what happened. Let's not give her any more credibility than she deserves---which is NONE.
She's gotten things wrong time and time again, you all foolishly believe it, and then when she admits to being wrong, you excuse her.
Get over yourselves. The sun does not shine outta Trista's ass. She's lying about a lot of things, whether she's guilty of something or not. You look like a damn fool trusting every word of a self-admitted drug addict.
Also, did you forget that Justin was more than a one-night stand? He and Trista used to talk about everything, and she hoped they'd be a family...She was supposedly having an affair with him. So a series of one-night stands, huh? Her blood on the bed sheets.
DeleteAnnnd...shortly after saying that, Trista said that Justin was the last person to see Ayla ALIVE. Indicating he did something TO HER.
Your whole comment is based on stupidity, would you like to try again? Show us all that you're really not that dumb. Please?
two things anon....first I saw no-where in Mckee's post where she said anything about giving points for good grammar and second obviously you didn't read Mckee's post because you asked when Trista said these things when clearly Mckee included the link to the quote....
Deleteoaklandrez
anti-McKee anon - re: "personal syntax accreditation" - look up the word "mantra." Not only is the word used incorrectly - it is not a proven fact that Justin said "I'm not having you tell me what to do" even ONE time, let alone repeated it several times. Also, "He is quite firm about this." - really?
DeleteObscure, where did anyone mention evidence that ties Justin D to an event that left blood on his Portland bedsheets? I think that is an assumption. There's a lot wrong about how some of the evidence is being looked at, and I believe Justin isn't capable of providing an alternate explanation because A) he doesn't know the answer, and B) he wasn't there.
DeleteSometimes I think I should just spell it out for everyone. Nobody will read it or believe it anyway. My promise (second time in my life) is that I will spell out everything I've seen for both the prosecutor and defense attorneys if this case goes to trial.
posted by pogamen 2/27/2013
pogamen nobody cares what you have to say your warped. . . go smoke another one
DeleteI C. U R a caring nobody. I'm a nobody, too - posting on a blog that nobodies read. This is Y I comment here. I will have to take it outside the nobody circle to make a difference - which is not my preference.
DeleteYou're silly. Anyone that can read and understood my comment would have passed on by and not left a reply - a topic to explore that is relevant to Ayla was more appropriate. I hope that helps you with your lessons.
Keep working on that ESP - I don't smoke.
posted by pogamen 3/2/13
I'm confused. Didn't Tori stop blogging about Ayla per Trista's request that Tori stop blogging about Ayla? But now Tori has once again teamed up with Trista's ex step-father to BLOG ABOUT AYLA? Wasn't that the original problem...the blogs (Tori and Jeff) merging and creating an uncomfortable environment for open discussion?
ReplyDeleteCan someone explain this to me? Please?
No Kitty, I didn't stop blogging about Ayla because of what Trista said, honestly, I could careless if Trista wants me to blog about Ayla or not. I stopped because I refused to devote anymore time blogging about someone's child that was unappreciative of what I was doing, however in the grand scheme of things it is about Ayla and not about Trista so I am blogging about her again as well as continuing to cover other missing children who need a voice.
DeleteIn order for the new blog to be unbiased, there is Katie who is close to Justin and believes in him fully, Jeff who can speak for the maternal side who offsets Katie and I am trying to remain neutral and find common ground between both sides so we can have a true open forum with both sides represented. Will it work? I don't know but at this juncture it's certainly worth a try.
I hate to speculate but I want to clarify that my opinions and views are just my opinions and views. Not spreading rumors but I just want to share my opinion.
DeleteI can't help but wonder if Trista has only had an issue with Tori blogging. I wonder if she has had an issue with Jeff blogging as well. One has to wonder why he resigned on u4a but has suddenly shown up on Tori's blog. Trista blames Tori for Jeff and Becca's relationship not working out according to Tori right? Wonder why that is? They seem to be very encouraging of each other and idolize each other. I can't help but wonder if there is something more. Jeff seems to relish in the attention he is getting. Given the circumstances I cannot understand his actions or attitudes. Yes he now has a certain level of fame. But not for a reason to be proud of. I just don't understand his actions. I fully understand wanting to raise awareness but he has taken it a few step further. I have serious issues with both Jeff and tori though. So these are most definitely just my opinions. I certainly wouldn't mind someone explaining this to me as well.
I have been to the blog and I have to say, I'm finding it engaging. So far Tori has stayed true to her word and you can, in fact, disagree with whomever you choose and not be banned. We'll see... I can tell you, John P is not a happy camper. That's like proverbial frosting on the unbiased cake :)
DeleteMckeekitty, I would definitely be more worried about it if it were just her and Jeff, but she's also brought in Katie to provide a contrary perspective to that which Jeff offers. Tori says that she started the blog to be a neutral ground where both "sides" could come and speak freely about their views on everything. I've checked out posts by both Jeff and Katie, as well as Tori, and I think it's great to be able to go to one blog and see people from here and U4A posting and commenting all in one place. I just hope the blog can be and stay that neutral ground, and that there will be no exclusion of others based on grudges or on differing opinions and beliefs. I'm really keeping my fingers crossed that the new J4A will work out for everyone.
DeleteSo far it has been unbiased there but I dont know how long that will lst. John P has already gotten his little panties in a bunch there. If he wasnt there, I would be more inclined to comment there. He just annoys the crap outta me to be honest.
DeleteI second that...he's an ass pain.
Deletevs2vs, John's reactions to things is definitely annoying. He adds a bitter taste to the blog. Maybe he'll relax a bit in time. Hey, I can dream.
DeleteI'm warming up a bit to Jeff. I don't care for his slight pompousness he carries with himself, most likely because he's been looked at as the maternal side's voice of authority for so long & iisn't used to being questioned. He also reminds me of a guy I used to know who was a moderator in a chat room I frequented many moons ago. He grated on my nerves how he almost kissed up to people & acted like a hero. So yeah... I guess there's that coloring my perceptions ;)
I can't say I'm "warming up" to Jeff, but I can say that J4A is evolving into an interesting forum...IMO.
DeleteI agree...and they even let ME comment there! :)
DeleteWho would've thought, huh? Lol. Internet rumors have already started flying that we are all apart of some conspiracy theory. I think it is nice to finally have rational discussion between all people following this case
DeleteObscure...at the risk of coming across as an ass-kisser, I can tell you that it was great seeing your posts on the newly-minted J4A.
DeleteI sense that you and Tori may have, at least partially, buried the hatchet. And I don't smell nefarious "traps."
I didn't think the new blog stood a chance, but I'm seeing some REALLY good posts and a willingness to find common ground on a highly-charged case. Katie possesses a strong voice...she's a good neutralizer IMO.
I didn't put weight in the past drama...what the fuck was it? Grace, Tori, and you? It was so long ago, and a time I had to step away from the blogs. I have my daily soap "Days of our Lives" to fulfill that void in my life...didn't need it on a blog about a missing and presumed deceased toddler.
I think your endorsement of J4A is not only a credit to the blog, but a credit to you.
Katie Somebody, a friend of Justin's will be sharing the blog with Tori. And Jeff will be popping in and out. Yawn. It's a DiPietro love-in over on the JFA. Y'all come!
ReplyDeleteSome people are actually worried over there that Justin will post, "tell his side" and get his feelings hurt! Fat chance, he'd post! People are insane.
This blog sucks. . . change the topic already! Lets get creative. . .
ReplyDeleteOh as a pose to RIDICULOUS things like this?
Deletemargyf1 says:
March 1, 2013 at 9:37 pm
Yikes, I need more time to read this. Thanks for the post JP. My head is spinning.
I did click into the part where Ayla was taken by MSP to go to that monster Justin
Dipietro. After reading that I did not think I could go on. The only thing that comes to mind is I wish Maine had the death penalty.
And those misfits from DHHS need to pay as well. They take a child out of a safe home and give her to a $#$#@@@ alcoholic and drug addict who cannot stay sober while mom was trying to get some help. Trista temporarily loses custody of her kids but they give her child to an active alcoholic and drug addict!! What sense does that make. I hope those responsible at DHHS will pay a very high price for how they put Ayla into a home where she was murdered! They need to do jail time and lots of it.
Ayla did not stand a chance with that psychopath! Way to go DHHS!!
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Deletevs2vs...EXACTLY! And John P let's this shit fly on his blog. Margy accuses Justin of being an active alcoholic and drug addict. She accuses Justin of being a monster. She accuses Justin of murdering Ayla. She calls Justin a "psychopath." She wants Justin to be the poster child for bringing the death penalty to Maine.
DeleteWhere did she state, "just my opinion?"
I thought John wasn't going to tolerate this kind of crap.
I was gonna post in response to Margy but my posts are subject to moderation at this point and I figured it wouldn't get through. All of the posts I've attempted to submit have made it through moderation though, so I guess I am doing a good job at moderating myself!
DeleteAll kidding aside, I feel badly for John lately. He has been through the ringer. I think that his (what *I* see as) lashing out on J4A was a result of stresses building with what he's been dealing with. I don't know that he even knows what he really thinks happened at this point. And I certainly don't envy his position as I wonder why he's subjected himself to the burden of being the owner in addition to chief moderator and poster at U4A now.
It takes a special kind of person to own and run a blog in a case like this. To do it with no apparent connection to the parties involved is hard for me to grasp. How did John P or Obscure come to take interest enough in a missing child so far away that they ended up where they are? I wonder that about both blogs. At least with Tori I can understand her local and familial connections and how that may have driven her to blog in the beginning. Why she came back after her absence still eludes me despite her explanations, but I hope her blog evolves into the open space for the civil exchange of ideas that she envisions.
~Scout
The most offensive part to me was where she claimed Ayla was in a safe home before. Ummm...apparently the Lewiston PD Officer who called DHHS in the first place didn't seem to think so.
DeleteI think what tori is doing is eye openimg and great for Ayla. And just further proves that really no one knows what happened so blame and finger pointing aside. Lets see what happens.
ReplyDeleteThis blog is like a copy of the other blog, all you people do is copy posts from the other blog and say look at this. . .it makes you all look like idiots. If I wanted to read the other blog I would. . . why don't you make a new, mind provoking post instead of just copying. . . boring
ReplyDeleteAngry much?
DeleteThanks for your "thought provoking" comment.
LMAO
Apparently your purpose here is to constantly bitch and whine about how much this blog sucks. There's one word for your type in the Internet world: troll. If this blog is so horrible, why do you constantly post here?
DeleteEven Tori's blog is getting more hits. . . this blog sucks. . . l
DeleteOT: I just don't know anywhere else I can express this but here.
ReplyDeleteI've been struggling to understand this comment on Jeff's "Camp Charla" post since it showed up more than a week ago on J4A:
"But from her own excerpts and comments I know who Chara is. I see her empty face everyday in the parade of women passing by at the mall at lunch time, they are the abused, the neglected, the tormented, they are the by-product of abusive step-dad's, drug addiction, and fear.. but should I judge Charla with the same consideration she has given Trista?, I simply cannot lower myself to do that.. and I feel sorry for her."
A week or so later, I am still disturbed by the comparisons being implied in this statement. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but I simply can't get over it.
That is all.
~Scout
Who took, Ayla? Most of you believe she is alive and was "taken". But little about Ayla is actually discussed here. Or was ever discussed here. Instead, this blog is mostly about the other blogs and how awfully mean everybody is about Justin...and how derelict and dirty Trista is. I don't get it. Where are all the ideas about who took Ayla, where she may be, and how is she may be doing in captivity.
ReplyDeleteIs it that most of you don't really believe she is alive, but it's helpful to Justin to keep repeating that she is?
Do any of you think that the child may have died in an accident of some sort?
The only question which could arise is why wasn't any help called for her? What if, when Ayla was discovered, she was beyond medical help?
Why would this scenario prompt a removal of her body instead of a report to LE? Because all the people in the houise that night know what happened to her was unintentional.
I mnay be wrong, but I've never seen this possibility discussed by the regulars, here. Hearing LE say there was no abduction, makes a lot of sense for the accident theory. it would explain a lot and answer many questions. IMO. What does anyone here think about the accident theory?
Thank you for bringing it back around to Ayla. After Ayla was taken, some people pestered Trista about needing to share her precious memories of Ayla with the public. That was upsetting to Trista, as it would have been for me if Ayla were my missing child. To fill this supposed need, I decided to make like a loon and share some of my own precious memories of Ayla. It was only after the fact that I learned how needed it really was, and I was glad people lightened up on Ayla's mother.
DeleteIt was the most difficult thing I have ever done, and she's not my child. All I felt was hatred and anger (a big enough bubble to burst across time and all of mankind) for the society that created conditions that led to Ayla's abduction. Anger and hatred is not the story I chose to tell. Ayla was strong 'in the spirit', and still is commanding there. But as a toddler, she was weak and defenseless against a strange adult with a premeditated plan.
The abductor comments here and there, too - is that traceable? I don't think so.
Speaking of 'accident', someone told me there were two campus security guards that stopped a black SUV at Colby on the late night of Dec 16, 2011. I'm told they were suspicious of the driver, but decided to let him go. The stench coming from his vehicle smelled as if he had pooped all over himself. Did anybody hear anything like that?
posted by pogamen 3/3/13
So what is it your trying to say without actually coming right out and saying it?
DeleteJanet, we'll probably never know. I've spent months trying to decipher pogamens comments. Sometimes I think there may be something important hidden in there, but it's all very confusing. I always end up getting more confused the more I read over the comments. They should come with Cliff's Notes, lol
DeleteJanet, I wrote exactly what I meant to write, but it does build on previous posts. I am curious to know if anyone heard anything about the event at Colby College. I have more details, and I can add them if you think it would help. My query is in regard to the abductor's trail after leaving the house with Ayla (drugged).
DeleteI'm saying that either MSPs already know that Ayla was abducted by someone that was an invited guest to her home on the night of Dec 16, 2011 - OR - MSPs have concluded that Ayla was somehow 'disposed of' by one or more of the three adults that reside in the home because MSPs may not have considered all available testimony AND may have misunderstood that some of the evidence is not related to Ayla's abduction, but may be related to a separate (possibly criminal) activity that took place elsewhere involving nonresidential members; e.g., transport of evidence when crime is/is not reported.
On the federal level, I think they realized criminal/ activity took place on location at Ayla's home AND did not involve Ayla's abduction. I believe the federal agents may have commented that their activity was not related to an abduction AND others interpreted that to mean there was no abduction.
Janet, if I am not clear enough about these separate issues, then please, ask specific questions. I see no reason to withhold this information (after more than a year) because LE is not interested in hearing it themselves.
FYI - the find at the dam was related to Ayla's abductor (if the description of a white beadspread (wedding gift bedcover) and pink/brown checkered blanket is true).
posted by pogamen 3/4/13
@MW - Why didn't you ask if there's something you didn't understand? There's nothing to decipher - no code. There is one instance where I strayed from the truth when trying to shorten what I was writing about, and that backfired on me the way lies are designed to work. Other than that one instance, I didn't stray from the truth - there's just a lot of details missing.
DeleteTo head off the question about the lie... Gabbie's bathroom trip wasn't made for a potty run. She had a snotty nose. At the time, I was uncomfortable revealing the details and willingly accepted the bitch slaps for the diaper vs potty training routine.
posted by pogamen 3/4/2013
Pogamen, regardless of other people's rude citicism of your posts, I find your comments interesting if a little cryptic! Please expand on your knowledge that the dam items are related to Ayla's abductor - are you saying she was abducted and that you know by whom? If you are privy to information that could assist LE and find sweet Ayla please do not hesitate to share, you could ease the suffering of so many people on both sides of Ayla's family, you could be holding the key........
DeleteWhere I come from pogaman a lie is a lie. But then I guess there are other lands. Trista and her clan are from there. Maybe that is where your from?
DeleteI wasn't trying to be rude, I meant just what you said, "right turn clyde". By code, I meant cryptic statements. I find it difficult to follow pogamen's comments, but I do try, and I think they are interesting, even if I have no idea what she's talking about.
DeletePogamen, I didn't ask, because I figured you were as clear as you could be and wouldn't be able to clarify further. Sorry if it came across as me making fun of you or insulting you. Really I've been reading your comments for so long, I'm just used to them without actually understanding most of them. So that's why I put it that way. You may not see what you're saying as being hard to understand, it probably all makes perfect sense to you when you're writing it or reading it. But to a lot of people it all looks cryptic with very little in the way of direct answers. Again, I hope that doesn't come across as insulting.. I know that it's hard to get a feel of someone's writer's intent online, but I just wanted to explain. No malice intended.
Hmmm.. now that I re-read what I wrote, I can see how it came across. Sorry about that. It sounded mean and rude rather than light, like I meant it.
Deletecorrection - a white "beadspread" should be a white "bedspread"
Delete@Anon - who wrote, "Where I come from ... a lie is a lie. But ... there are other lands. Trista and her clan are from there. ... that is where your from?"
YES!!!!! This land is my land, and U R on the wrong bus!!!!! W8 4 the half-sized bus and U will B Fined.
@MW - I didn't see rudeness or malice in any of your comments. I did see frustration. Me, too. Some readers need more meaning than others. Some wouldn't know what to do with any amount of meaning beyond the most literal context. When I talk about Ayla, it is true. If it were not for Ayla, I would not be participating on a blog. As with all things and lives that Ayla has touched, there must be a reason. I mentioned that 'diaper vs potty training' lie because I had a lot of fun watching how everyone jumped on that point for confirmation (by going to child-rearing websites?). The actual account of the time Gabby was awake is too deeply spiritual to describe on a blog that wasn't intended for such things. I realized my error before making those precious moments public. But now, I can refer to the fact that something did happen in that house involving Gabby and Elisha without tying it to 'fleshly events' taking place. If my writing conversion between 'in the spirit' and 'in the flesh' causes confusion, it's easily solved if you can just remember - I have witnessed these Mainers 'in the spirit' AND I was not alone AND I have never been to Maine 'in the flesh' AND I am not a psychic. However, if by 'very little in the way of direct answers' you are expecting specific details, e.g., Ayla's location now, I will be quick to tell you I am not comfortable publicly/privately answering a question OR I don't know the answer to that. It's not personal, I try to participate here and stay out of trouble with #1 and #2 (which does create need for rewrites). It also creates the need to push the delete key, instead of publishing, because what's left of the words make no sense to me, either.
@right turn clyde - A few days ago, I read the description of the items. It must be here, I don't go to other blogs. If it is true, the blanket and cover belonged to a Mennonite couple. The blanket was already on the bed. The white spread was a gift. Quite old, neither are new. I would think LE might get more information in the Mennonite community - accustomed to the gift-giving practice. I have already submitted a complaint to LE. I'll not bother them about every little detail. Simply, the description matches what I have seen 'in the spirit'. That means (rightly so) there is nothing tying the find to an abductor. On the flip side, there is nothing tying the find to either parent or close relative. I think that speaks for itself. The condition of the blanket and cover were not mentioned. I could write volumes explaining the motivation behind this crime.
Thank you for your kind words.
posted by pogamen 3/5/2013
Please, Pogamen, advise us if you have knowledge of Ayla's fate and assure us you have shared what you say you know to the authorities......
DeletePogamen... Im just coming off of a 36 hr shift, so sorry I havent responded before now. I do have some questions for you. Could you expand on the event at Colby College. You said you had more details that you could share. I tried getting info from newspaper archives but Im not from that area so its kinda hard trying to find any police information listings. Also I have not read about the blankets you were referring to that you said belong to the abductor could you describe them in more detail. From what I read you have a great knowlege of this case. Are you an aqaintance a friend or a relative of the Depietro family. Or just a concerned citizen trying to find justice for this baby girl.
DeleteWas Colby a destination or on the way to?
Delete>>>and stay out of trouble with #1 and #2
Not sure what the reference is...admins here, I think?
Interesting, Mennonites have been mentioned before. Amish derivitive religion. Maine-ah, any input?
@Janet - Let's begin from the bottom, and work up. Everything I write is only my opinion, only what I believe. What others choose to believe is up to them.
Delete"Are you an aqaintance a friend or a relative of the Depietro family. Or just a concerned citizen trying to find justice for this baby girl."
Answer: No. I've searched my heart and mind for progressive motivation. None of the above-mentioned labels apply.
"From what I read you have a great knowlege of this case."
Answer: Correct. I was allowed to see anything or anyone associated with Ayla Bell Reynolds for the purpose of discovery - to make a change 'in the spirit' to affect a different outcome. Any more explanation would only confuse the issues at hand.
"... I have not read about the blankets you were referring to that you said belong to the abductor could you describe them in more detail."
Answer: On this blog (JSTL), someone mentioned a pink and brown blanket and a white bedspread with an enscription, such as 'God Bless...' I didn't pay much attention to the minimal description, and it might have been copied from another blog and pasted on this one. I haven't looked for the comment again. When I read it, I thought, 'What a shame they didn't release that description to the public a long time ago.' The white bedspread with white embroidered writing to bless a marriage bed is a Mennonite custom in some circles. One of the women known to this couple would have handmade the bedcover and gifted it. On the night of Dec 16, 2011, the blanket and bedcover were clean and stored in a dresser, retained as a keepsake - along with other memorabilia.
"Could you expand on the event at Colby College. You said you had more details that you could share. I tried getting info from newspaper archives but Im not from that area so its kinda hard trying to find any police information listings."
Answer: The vehicle was not stopped by police. It was stopped by campus security police on campus. I believe there were two guards at the time because it was at shift change. There was strict security due to recent newsworthy events across the nation, and the stop was justified (due to time of night). After much discussion, the two guards decided to allow the driver to proceed. I reviewed their discussion, and you will have to take my word for the fact that they were 100% correct in compliance with protocols. The driver knew the administrative password. This stop should be a part of campus security records, although it is possible they did not mention the smell coming from the vehicle. One of the guards thought it might be marijuana. This event would require contacting Colby College Administration or Security for more information, not local police logs.
The irony, for me... I had a temper flair when Ben McKenna was using a tired template for updating the public on Ayla's case. His cut-and-paste online article was loopy logic. I commented online, directed at Ben, and got the strangest reply from a woman claiming to be a Colby College Administrator. She felt that she should report me to the police and have me arrested. I thought about that for awhile - and then said, 'So that's how it's done!' Yessiree, smack my own forehead, why didn't I think about that myself? There you have it folks, send your children to Colby College for a mind-enabling education!
Maybe someone can talk to her about that vehicle stop. Ayla was on the front passenger seat, wrapped in the driver's coat. She was not visible to the security guards. It was the closest she came to being rescued by a knight in shining armor (badge). There were two of them. I'm sorry.
posted by pogamen 3/6/2013
@Newcomb - Colby College was a shortcut. I know it's hard to believe, but it was a night of many wrongs with the adrenaline pump wide open. Before saying anything more, maybe the concerned citizen at Colby College could chime in about the security stop.
Delete#1 - Obscure, #2 - Michelle.
I don't know a lot about any one religion, but I do try to stay informed of new ones. Lately, there's just too many new religions to keep up with.
posted by pogamen 3/6/2013
@right turn clyde - There is no reason for police to be interested in what I have to say. I understand that whole-heartedly. I waited a long time before providing any details publicly because I thought LE might contact me for more information or details about my initial complaint. I'm trying to tell you there are several reasons why they don't listen.
Delete1. Most psychics get it wrong, or their information is not verifiable.
2. Most concerned citizens are not eye-witnesses.
3. Most people lie when asked a direct question.
4. All people lie when asked a question by police.
5. Budget cuts leave them short of gas at the end of the pay cycle.
6. It's easier/cheaper to wait until someone gets arrested and develops word vomit.
And that's just the obvious reasons.
Ayla's fate. Everyone that has been here for awhile knows what I think about that. I do believe she was abducted and she is not alive. I will be ecstatic to be proven wrong.
posted by pogamen 3/6/2013
Pogamen, thank you so much for your patient reply to my insistent requests! You fascinate me; you state you are not psychic but obviously have an ability to 'see' more than others, please explain more to enable us to get the gist of your source of information. I hope LE have taken your assistance seriously. Are you able to share some of your insight behind the motivation for this crime? I would certainly like to hear what you might share with us!
DeletePogamen,
Deletethank you so much for your response, and for your understanding that I meant no harm. May I ask you a couple of questions? Are you aware or have been made aware of, if the abductor/person who harmed Ayla has been present at any of the events that have been held for her? And if so, which one or ones? I've been thinking about this lately. There are many reasons that could lead this person to want to attend events for Ayla, guilt or even arrogance being a couple.
Shame on you all who are giving this psychic/psycho the time of day. This doesn't help Ayla at all and I can't believe it's being entertained. Even if you're just trying to humor him or her it does a great disservice to Ayla. Obscure was right to set up a different tab on the site for this nonsense. Keep it in one place and let the people who know better avoid it entirely.
DeleteDearest pogamen, you really need not worry about getting in trouble with me. I am not the person who has previously been referred to as #2, by the way. I'm just me.. watching, waiting, and praying for Ayla's safe return, and I happen to think you're full of crap :P
Delete@MW, I don't know. I don't think so; at least, not initially. Once Ayla was no longer with this individual our connection depended on items and events of interest.
Delete@right turn clyde - Insistent requests? I heard a story about a person with your screen name. He refused to let go of a news story, in spite of being threatened and attacked. Any little reason would get him pulled over by the cops - not good. He needed to get to the courthouse and his left-turn signal light was broken, so he travelled around town, making right turns until he arrived at the courthouse parking area in the nick of time. This is how he learned three rights don't necessarily make a left, and this is how he taught that three wrongs won't make it right.
Source of information - No matter what I say about this, it's never going to be enough or believed or correct (according to someone). So, I'll keep it 'real' for the moment and share the following information instead...
Three facets/faces joined to represent the affected adults surrounding Ayla on 'the other blog'. Police want 'a litmus test'. That's what I 'heard' anyway.
I decided to conduct my own litmus test. This is the reason for asking about the Colby College stop. It's verifiable - OR - not, and should result in even further information about that individual - OR - not. When/if it is verified, I can move forward and describe the next individual that came close to making a difference in Ayla's life. I've been saying, 'May I remind you about... ?'
There should also be some evidence that consists of unexplained chips of fingernails, and probably some black smudges. I can explain these things, it's not that big of a mystery.
@Michelle - good luck with that. I hope you are right. But I don't happen to think anything about you at all.
posted by pogamen 3/7/2013
Pogamen there are other people like you who have visions who have completely different stories. Some say she is not alive some say she is. So at what point does one trust one persons vision over another?
DeleteCertainly when a persons story makes sense it helps. When a persons story does not change to meet the criteria. That does help to validate a person I would imagine.
I have to take exception to:
Delete3. Most people lie when asked a direct question.
4. All people lie when asked a question by police.
I don't believe that at all. Frankly, your #4 is pretty lame, in my opinion.
@Anon - yes, what you say is true. Please understand, I'm not a psychic in the sense that they identify themselves with unique, and possibly singular talents. I don't claim to be a psychic, and have no desire to be here, beyond finishing what I started to help Ayla (and in turn, help Trista). Some say Ayla is not alive because there is something they saw that would lead them to believe she is dead? Some say she is alive because they saw nothing to conclude she is dead? Some claim she is in a large body of water? Some claim she is elsewhere, like growing up on a farm? I suspect there is a lot of assumption and wishful thinking taking place with psychics and mediums, even if they don't realize it. Personally, I have zero imagination. It either is, or is not. I have not changed my story one bit. There are so many details to share, and I thought that would be for LE. But I don't want to contact somebody that doesn't spare the time to read what I send, or ask for those details.
DeleteAt what point does one trust an eye-witness (in the flesh)? Ten people see the same event and report ten different stories. However, there is always a common thread that runs through their stories and the details can be surmised by validating with other sources of information. I think it is the same with psychics, and we lose a great resource when these people are not contributing to the pool of information.
I'm going to consider what you are saying about changing the story to meet the criteria. Right this moment, I can't think of any established criteria (solid facts) involving Ayla's case, except that she isn't where she should be.
@Anonymous 3/8/13, 12:05 PM - taking exception to 3 and 4.
I knew someone would say something about that. I meant the list to be light/humorous, but I added those two points for a different reason. Both statements were made by policemen after classes on reading body language and interpreting facial expressions. After viewing videos, it was in response to this question: 'Did you learn anything?' Also, the gas shortage was a real problem for awhile. One policeman filled up his cruiser downtown using his own credit card.
posted by pogamen 3/8/2013
That's quite fine with me, pogamen. I've come to realize that you only like those who either kiss your butt, are fascinated with your "revelations", or give you an inch to share what you believe so you can bust through the doors with "exactly" what happened. You get some thrill with painting the picture of Ayla's demise.
DeleteI've seen & been a part of some very supernatural occurrences in my life, and I've also seen people use & abuse the sensitivities of others in a spiritual sense for their own personal gain. Do you feel all powerful now that you have these seemingly adoring fans?
Michelle
DeleteWhy is it that you seem compelled to rip into Pogamen. Can you not accept the fact that she know (inspirit) more than you do in real life with regard to Ayla? I have yet to see anyone kiss her butt. As for her revelation you speak of she has share much information over many months so I dont see no busting through any doors. What I see is someone who is trying to get the truth out there. With details that could be verified if LE would open up to the idea that there are some that have special gifts. For exaple what would it take for LE to question the security guard at Colby College regarding stopping a black SUV that evening. I dont think that would take to much effort on there part.
Another thing she is not pointing fingers at Trista or Justin as the one who had any part in Ayla being missing. She has also made reference to the possiblitie that those involved are posting here and in other places. If it is true that Obsure has the ablitie to track individual IP Addresses then why not put that to good use. Obsure could be stoping the lies but also getting at the truth as well. I would say that the ball is in Obscures court and could quite possibly with some research on her part help get justice for Ayla.
I for one do look forward to Pogamens post as they are very thought provoking. She has given alot of information that those who live in Waterville would be able to look into if for one minute they stepped back and stopped putting blame on the parents and really were LOOKING FOR AYLA!!!!
Pogamen
DeleteYou have in fact changed your story to suit the criteria when needed.
Potty training. Closet in bathroom. Gun in house.
Psychic or visions call it what you wish your stories don't pass the straight face test.
Michelle, you told me already that you happen to think I'm full of crap. OK. If that's your opinion, then fine. I considered your words and how I felt about that. I didn't feel anything about it, and as a reply I told you that I don't think anything about you. I am the words I write. You are the words you write. I don't think you're full of crap. I don't think anything about your words, other than the fact they do come from you. I just don't think about other people in that fashion. It was a cheap way for you to call me a liar without commitment. And here, you continue degrading my efforts to discuss Ayla by pointing out the fact that I did not respond to one comment that spreads shame across the board for reading this thread. School's out. Pony up to the bar.
DeleteThere are plenty of people that see things 'in the spirit' and between there and here. If you saw something pertaining to Ayla, why not share it with all of us? I look forward to honest rebuttal in place of personal attacks.
posted by pogamen 3/8/2013
Pogamen
DeleteIf you don't think or feel anything about Michelle's words then how do you perceive them as personal attacks?
Ouch, I hadn't expected the hostility about a few of us asking Pogamen a few questions. I'm not an adoring fan, nor kissing ass. What I am is open-minded for Ayla. I do believe.. no, I KNOW that there are those out there with spiritual/psychic gifts. Is Pogamen one of those people? Maybe so, maybe not. But I don't see the problem in taking a couple of minutes out of my day to ask a question or two, and a few more to read and think about the replies. I'm not gullible by any means. I don't believe something just because someone else does. Pogamen could very well be suffering from some mental illness, or just be power hungry. But there's also a chance that she does know something, somehow. I'm not going to ignore anything, because that's what I feel like is a disservice to Ayla; Ignoring or dismissing things we're either not comfortable with or that we disagree with. That's self-centered, IMO. That's what so many on either "side" have done; dismiss what they don't like or agree with, or things that frighten or anger them. I'm not "entertaining" Pogamen or anyone else, I'm simply participating in conversation with others who I think are concerned about Ayla, and want her to have peace and justice. I do the same on the other blogs for Ayla. I don't see a problem with that.
DeleteAnon says, 'You have in fact changed your story to suit the criteria when needed.'
DeletePogamen sits up straight, eager to read these facts.
Anon says, 'Potty training. Closet in bathroom. Gun in house.'
Pogamen slouches shoulders, exhales deeply, and prepares a reply to Anon.
All three of those examples came from me. They didn't come from an article, a comment, a video, a photo, an email, TV, radio, or anything else you care to mention. I have already explained the potty training routine, and I think you missed my point on that. But that's okay. The baby went to the bathroom to wipe her finger off on the towel. There should be some forensic evidence there. That was the reason for changing my story publicly in midstream. I didn't want to walk on something that police may withhold for some reason. But now I see it didn't matter. Did you question whether or not the baby did get up in the middle of the night? No.
Anon, I must say something about your reading comprehension. You will find the answer to the bathroom closet on the Find It Here... page. Selena confirmed that. EOS - End of story. I'm not going to reiterate an unnecessary denial.
Gun in closet. By moving to the abductor's trip away from the house, I have 'jumped the gun'. After considering Newcomb's comment suggesting they may not want to jump the gun, I realized that is exactly what I need to do to get this over with. I have not changed my story one bit on this.
Anon, you made two comments that make me think you are young (just guessing).
1. Psychic or visions call it what you wish your stories don't pass the straight face test.
2. If you don't think or feel anything about Michelle's words then how do you perceive them as personal attacks?
Both statements appear to show you have a reading comprehension or selective reading issue.
OT - This is a message for one person that has seen the pink and brown blanket with white bedspread. There is another location that has a closet. And the unit next to it has none. [Thank Anon for reminding me about that fact.]
posted by pogamen 3/8/2013
Dragonfly, you have hit the nail squarely on the head.
DeleteBlogging... the potential for not only stopping the lies, but also getting at the truth. Eloquent. I hope the new format(?) at the other site is fruitful in that light. I will not be visiting, though.
Don't worry about negativity. There is something to learn from that, also. There is no fan club, just fishermen/women. Those that have Ayla's interests in mind are usually like you - quiet and attentive.
posted by pogamen 3/8/2013
Hi, Pogamen, I have no knowledge of the other user with whom I share a user name suffice to say I have absolutely nothing in common with this person! I am merely an occasional participant on this site as well as u4a and j4a who, like every other person merely wants Ayla found. I am not an 'adoring fan'. I am simply open to exploring and supporting all legal methods in the search for Ayla, if some find the psychic or mysterious line of investigation bizarre or threatening I am sorry, we all want the same outcome and I feel we should be allowed to express our opinions and theories without being attacked or rebuked, please continue to share your thoughts......
DeleteOh pogamen you should hop back over the fence. Intuition is just not your thing huh? But then you know that already don't you.
Delete@Anon - Yes. That's what I've been saying. It's not my cup of tea. I hope you reread this thread. That is what I ask of you. Personal attack - there are better phrases to use, but let's keep it simple. My additional comments to you were an example of personal attack. It's the best I could come up with. Once a discussion resorts to personal volleys, nothing else is of value. Stay on track and don't be distracted so easily. What happened to your 'facts'? Potty, closet, and gun. When this page is done, so am I.
Deleteposted by pogamen 3/10/2013
@MW - I've been wondering about that myself. Every time questions come up, shtf. I think Ayla's case is so complex because the adults in her life are tangled up in the same net. No matter which way you look at it, each direction you explore seems to yank on someone's ponytail. And maybe that's not it. Does that make sense?
Delete@right turn clyde - I'm glad your opinion is here. I didn't know the other RTC, either, but I heard the story 'in the spirit'. We all needed a lift at the time.
posted by pogamen 3/10/2013
What happened to your "facts"? Potty there was no trip you lied. Call it what it was. Closet in the bathroom there is not one. You were wrong. And gun, wrong again. But you knew that. You know why you are here. And it is not to help anyone. Distract now there is a good word. Why are you waiting for this page to be done to leave. What is it about this particular page that keeps you posting?
Delete@Anon - thank you for ameliorating my confusion. I feel much better already.
Deleteposted by pogamen 3/10/2013
Your welcome. Anytime I can help to improve someones confusion is a good day.
DeleteThe reason POGAMEN will be here until this page is gone is because "OBSCURE IS POGAMEN"
DeleteThis post has been up for 4 days. . . you have 90 ignorant comments?????? Not sure of the purpose of this blog
ReplyDeleteEven Tori's blog is getting more hits lol
ReplyDeleteWhy do ALL the "investigative details" originate from Jeff? The latest? Trista isn't a suspect so there's no need for another stab at a polygraph.
ReplyDeleteThose are bold words.
When MSP says nothing, it's easy to put words in their mouths for them. Funny, that's what we're accused of in regards to Justin. But for them? Perfectly acceptable.
Deletedoes tori have an "in" with LE? she made a statement regarding phoebe's alibi. was her alibi stated before and i missed it? or did this info come from jeff?
ReplyDeleteMy info about the alibi was not from the maternal family at all but someone else who covered this case professionally and got the info from McCausland himself. Since it has not been verified publicly I would expect many to take it as hearsay and that is fine with me.
DeleteFirst Jeff says he will be scarce due to work but tonight we find out he had a sit down with Trista's dectective who has given him information he is going to be able to share in a new post on Sunday.
ReplyDeleteI'd just prefer that he called them AYLA'S detectives. They're working for her, to bring HER home.
DeletePerhaps a specific detective is assigned to brief Trista and a different detective assigned to brief Justin and he's differentiating the two?
DeleteWell maybe if the W3 start talking some truth this detective who is working with Trista to bring her precious daughter home, would be able to do so a lot quicker. Oh and you suck Obscure. You must be very busy checking out the blogs that actually are worth reading because this topic has been up too long and it was useless to begin with.
ReplyDeleteObscure is Pogamen
ReplyDeleteWow, Obscure is Pogamen? Then, is Obscure psychic? A split personality, perhaps? One side looney and the other side mooney (over Justin)?
ReplyDeleteIt would 'splain a lot!
@Anonymous 3/10/13, 2:08 PM, who wrote, Obscure is Pogamen
DeleteAnonymous is Anonymous.
posted by pogamen 3/12/2013
Perfectly put Anonymous 3/11/13 6:30 LOL "One side looney and the other side mooney (over Justin) lol POGAMEN, what am I wearing????? Come on you can tell me.
Delete@Anonymous 3/15/13, 1:25 PM - You need someone to tell you what you are wearing? Wow. Okay.
Delete>waving magic wand for dodo bird in the air, over the hat and through the bushes<
Answer: Egg.
Wait a minute, that's not correct. You were chasing the dodo bird through the bush. You should have kept your eyes open when you grabbed for feathers. It isn't egg. The color is much too brown. What do you call it? Dodo doo doo.
Are you happy now? Chicken shit.
Substitute question - What was the driver wearing?
DeleteAnswer: On the night of Dec 16, 2011, the driver was wearing black trousers, black dress shoes (flat soles), white dress shirt, black or navy blue dress socks, and a black lettered jacket. A dark-colored long coat was sitting on the front passenger seat. Earlier in the evening, the driver was seen wearing a black bow tie. (I don't recall seeing the bow tie during the campus stop.)
Also, there is a garden area that should have been found containing shoe prints from flat-soled shoes.
Thank you for reading. No stroking required.
posted by pogamen 3/18/2013
Pogamon...it's so clever the way you put everybody on...amid a missing-child case. Amusing isn't it, all your jabberwocky and jive? I hope you get your just desserts!
ReplyDeletePogamen is just a sad, pathetic jerk looking for attention at the expense of a missing baby. Pogamen wants to steal attention from a baby. How sad.
ReplyDeletePogamen if you really had information there would be no need for you to speak in code or only give 'hints'. You do that because you really have no information and are just looking for attention.
@Michelle - I took your words to heart, thank you.
ReplyDelete@Anonymous - I repeat, I C. U R a caring nobody. I'm a nobody, too - posting on a blog that nobodies read. This is Y I comment here. I will have to take it outside the nobody circle to make a difference - which is not my preference. (translation -> I'm not a TC and don't live in the news/blog world) (translation -> TC = top commentor) I would like to add that McKeeKitty is one of the few TCs that doesn't hide behind an alterego Anonymous. I respect that.
I repeat, the find at the dam was related to Ayla's abductor (if the description of a white beadspread (wedding gift bedcover) and pink/brown checkered blanket is true).
I repeat, someone told me there were two campus security guards that stopped a black SUV at Colby on the late night of Dec 16, 2011. I'm told they were suspicious of the driver, but decided to let him go. The stench coming from his vehicle smelled as if he had pooped all over himself. Did anybody hear anything like that?
Anonymous, do you know anything about it, or not? I believe the find at the dam belongs to the SUV driver. Also, you are my favorite, Anonymous, I like you.
posted by pogamen 3/13/2013
Anonymous 3/13/13, 9:15PM
ReplyDeleteIf you really believe what you spew out of your mouth then why are you giving Pogamen the time of day. By doing so you only make yourself look like a pathetic jerk.
Have you ever considered that maybe Pogamen speaks in code or gives hints for a reason? If you have a specific question why dont you just ask it!! Oh thats right your too busy trying to discredit Pogamen for trying to help. So again who is the one just looking for attention?