1. Is anybody over there truly standing up for AYLA? On the blogs and on Facebook, people love to say "focus on Ayla", yet behind the scenes, that's obviously not the case.
3. Why did Tori try so hard to discredit Grace, when Grace had previously helped her at a time that no one else would/could? Is Tori loyal to anyone besides herself?
4. I'm sorry, but a book about WHAT exactly? Tori would be paid $400/week for mediocre writings that would NEVER top any bestseller list? Wait, was all of that a joke?
5. How do you end up with an almost $3,000 electric bill in that span of time? Did Tori just not pay the bill at all? There are some crackhead tendencies of Tori's that just cannot be overlooked.
6. Are the things that Tori is saying about her family are true, or is this just a sob story to get money out of people? Tori has a lot to say about Justin and the drug trade, but it seems to be something that hits closer to her home than his...
7. Who in their right mind would trust a complete stranger with all of the information that Tori was willing to give to Grace? I guess the expectation of getting money was worth the chaos Grace could have caused if she were a real scammer.
8. How do Trista or Jeffrey feel about Grace and Tori's side deals? How did all of the backroom wheelin' and dealin' bring anyone any closer to finding Ayla?
9. Why would Tori take money from a person that she suspects is disabled---especially when she has a belief that the disabled person has a trustee or guardian (Liz C.) because they can't even manage their own money? Isn't that taking advantage of the lower-functioning people in society? (NOT saying Grace is lower-functioning, but if Tori thought that, she should not have taken the money!)
10. Why did Tori promise to do whatever is necessary to help with the book and the law, and then turn around and say that Grace "begged" her?
I fully understand that some of you think these types of things are off-topic. Your concerns are justified; however, Tori and crew have been a dominant source of information released in this case. When you can no longer trust their credibility as individual people, I think you have to reevaluate their information and motives in that context as well. Tori is obviously looking out for herself; Ayla---and Trista---come second. I now believe that many clues in this case can be found on Google or Yahoo...inboxes, that is.
People are starting to see the light. I love it. Some of you have had your eyes wide shut for 7 months. There is still hope for you, just like there is still hope for Ayla!!!
**I have taken care to hide personal information. If I missed something, please alert me via email (juststopthelies @ yahoo) or in the comments. **
Updated Photo(Sorry Grace) - #2
HOLY-MOLY-O
ReplyDeleteI am blown away by this. I am for once in my life speechless. Many months ago i saw a news report and a picture of a beautiful little girl in my state that was missing. I wanted to learn more, i wanted to help find Ayla, so i turned to the blogs for more info on Ayla's case. What i have read in the months since has left me feeling both proud of the people truly doing good for Ayla, and sad for the ones taking advantage of Ayla's case.
ReplyDeleteGoing forward..TRUST is something i will not be giving out freely :(
I have never commented in this blog until now and this will probably be my only comment.
ReplyDeleteI do find these emails shocking. Also, I take great issue with the whole ludicrous suggestion of the chapter of the "outing" of Tori. Why? Because the fact is that Tori outed herself on a public (no privacy settings) Facebook Ayla group/wall using her REAL NAME with a link to her blog. It's obviously disingenuous to publicly post with your real name with a link to your blog, and then turn around and accuse others of outing you.
As for kitty, I hold her in very high regard. I hope that she will be treated with respect here as well as over at Tori's blog because she asks important questions.
LOL Tori outed herself?
DeleteYou mean she even planned to LIE in her best-selling novel?
Say it ain't so!
All I can verify is that she openly posted on an open FB page using her real name when she first started her blog asking people to visit it by providing the link. How do I know? I saw it myself. That's how I was able to "out" her on the Sentinel. I would have no other way of knowing her name. I've never spoken with her, I don't know what her plan was and I don't post in her blog. I did feel the need to address this point, though!
DeleteGo here and scroll down to comments by Vitak and Tin Foil Fedora. Both state they saw Tori post her blog link with her real name.
DeleteSentinel commenter - Thank you for that. I never read those comments and wasn't aware that she advertised so freely. I found her blog sort of by accident, and her first post said her brother in law was a roommate of Justin's. I never considered she was blogging anonymously - the whole "outing" thing was very dramatic on her part.
DeleteOh for the love of Pete! I can't take it anymore! For the record (although you would almost never know it from the steaming crap that has risen to the top of the dung pile that all of this has become) there are people in Maine who:
DeleteA) Actually work for a living
B)Do not do drugs, sell drugs, or consort with anyone who does or sells drugs
C) Are not grifters
D)Do not have "excel at brushes with the law" as the most common transferable skill on their resumes
AND FINALLY
E)Actually care about what happened to Ayla Reynolds and want to learn the truth, the REAL truth.
(p.s. Obscure, I've been trying to finish writing you my promised email for days now but haven't had time)
^word
DeleteFan of Truth, no rush.
DeleteAnd from what I've seen from a distance, those things are hard to believe!
I kid.
Don't worry, Fan. We know those people exist. Hell, someone has to be providing the tax dollars!
DeleteThanks Michelle, and More Questions. Michelle, that is the sad, sad, truth.
DeleteObscure, I don't blame you (I don't kid). :-)
Grrr, I meant to say, "More Questions, that is the sad sad truth.", not Michelle. Sorry.
Deletethe space between, I agree with you and you're welcome.
DeleteFrom U4A: "I initially started the blog with the intent of remaining anonymous. I did not hide behind anonymity because I was ashamed of what I was saying or that I was saying something offensive or obnoxious. I did it to protect my family and myself from repercussion. I did not go to the extremes that others do and was outed very early on. I am glad I was. I am glad that I get to take credit for what I write, I am proud to put my name behind it."
And there you go. Even though she outed herself. At least we know why, lol.
DeleteWOW. Wonder how many other people she's scammed money from on her blog.
ReplyDeleteI agree, Obscure. Her credibility as an individual reflects on her blog. If you can't trust her (as we have seen), you can't trust anything she writes on her blog.
signed:getrealpeople
Wow.... Tori's great.... I think I'm going to start accusing someone of murder to try and get money...
ReplyDeleteNot surprised at all. Anyone that fell for Tori's BS is more stupid than her, and that includes Grace (sorry if that breaks your rules).
ReplyDeleteAs a side note, is the father of Tori's child not helping with the money situation? How is Tori ever going to get on her feet financially? It won't happen spending her life playing around on blogs.
Well see Bystander, since Justin has had so much publicity nowadays, and Briana is in jail, Anthony is having a hard time with his "day" job. Inventory problems I think is how he put it.... I will have to look for THAT email....
DeleteI'm sure he will get back on his feet soon.
That's one email I'd like to see.
DeleteGrace are you saying Tori has had a connection of some sort to Justin before Ayla went missing?
DeleteSorry incomplete thought lol I realize she claims a brother in law or some shit lives w Justin in Portland, but I'm referring to since he's actually been on waterville, more then just the roomy in portland
DeleteNo, that is not what I am saying. I have no information about Tori having contact with Justin in any shape, form or fashion. I will not be responsible for THAT rumor floating around out in cyber space.
DeleteWhat I am saying is, Anthony's "day" job has been curtailed by certain events surrounding Justin.
who is anthony? a fellow shoplifter? you gave a known THIEF, money? really grace?
Delete4/10 at 5:45 p.m. Tori Gifford, 31, of Randolph, was arrested on Maine Mall Road by Officer Benjamin Macisso on charges of theft by unauthorized taking, violation of conditional release, and possession or transfer of theft devices.
4/10 at 5:45 p.m. Anthony Nigro, 29, of Oakland, was arrested on Maine Mall Road by Officer Benjamin Macisso on charges of theft by unauthorized taking and violating condition of release.
violation of conditional release from a prior criminal act? what was that?
CSI, yeah, really. I gave money to a known thief...NOT.
DeleteDoes anyone have any reading comprehension around here?
I paid on her bill. I didn't directly give Tori money. I may be stupid, but I am not STOOPID.
I have a big heart. Sue me.
Anthony is her common-law-husband and father of her daughter.
common law hubs? but he is from oaklnd, she from randolph?
Deletehmmm ok...
State Laws: Common Law Marriage - FindLaw family.findlaw.com › Family Law › Marriage Law
Sixteen states recognize common law marriages, though several of these states have repealed ... MAINE: The state does not recognize common law marriages.
Sorry, maybe not common law. He is her baby daddy, is that better?
DeleteDamn, these people around here, pointing out all my mistakes, blabbing all my secret evil plans...
I'm not sure I want to play with you all anymore.
I wasnt pointing out your mistake. I just thought Tori LIED about having a hubby, real or common law. that's all.She has NO hubby which explains why she is bending over in front of that gross jeff dude with a short skirt on..
DeleteTori definitely lives with a male. She says he is a sociopath and is verbally and physically abusive to her. She told me he threatened to kill her over the blogs.
Deleteand she is subjecting a child to this and goes on to trash trista . this is very interesting
Deletemaybe anthony is reading the blogs and sees she is flirting with jeff so openly and she went on a date with him while living with another guy.? she is one dum beotchola.
Deletethis dude has been thrown in the pokey before. he must have quite a record...
July 15, 2011
Kennebec County Superior Court
AUGUSTA — A number of people were sentenced Wednesday and Thursday in separate hearings in Kennebec County Superior Court:
• Anthony B. Nigro, 32, of Randolph, theft by unauthorized taking or transfer Nov. 9, 2010, in Augusta; 30-day jail sentence, $20 restitution.
YIKES...
DeleteMarch 16, 2010
4 months in jail
$1000 fine
1 year probation
Tori L. Gifford, 31, of Randolph and formerly of Oakland, operating after revocation Feb. 16 in Sidney and theft Jan. 22 in Augusta; 364 days in jail, all but 120 days suspended, one year probation, $1,000 fine.
About reading comprehension, Grace, I'm not going to challenge you---but at one point you did tell her to check her mail because you were sending money that way.
DeleteSo I can see why there would be questions about that...
Ah, you are right, Obscure. Ok, my apology. I did not send cash to Tori. John P did.
Deletewell shut the front door! JOHN P SENT TORI CASH TOO? Wow.
Deletewe assumed as much
DeleteHe wasn't the only one....
Deletewhat about peter and jeff? WOW. Tori and anthony are some kind of con artists...
Deletehow much did that nitwit John P send?
Fraud alert!!!
DeleteYeah, John P.'s a given, as also VT Lady and Mountain Momma probably are. I can't see Jeff giving money without getting something in return. Oops, not meant in a snide way (really!), but Jeff's actions are carefully calculated (IMO).
Deletesigned:getrealpeople
I thought Tori had a hubby? why isnt he helping out, unless he is fictious. Well now jeff can bail Tori out and she can repay him......in kind...
ReplyDeleteWTF is up with hr giving all her personal info to a stranger incl ssn? WOW what an IDIOT.So now the flirty sob story emails to peter are beginning to make a lot more sense...
If anyone writes a book it should be Trista, with a ghostwriter ofcourse.
why such a high electric bill when they have fuel assistance in maine for poor people?
http://www.mainehousing.org/ENERGYProgramsDetail.aspx?ProgramID=37
Program Summary
The Low-Income Home Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP) provides money to help low-income homeowners and renters pay for heating costs.
Am I Eligible?
The amount of assistance you may get from LIHEAP is based on your household size and income, energy costs, and other factors.
You may be eligible for assistance if your total household income falls within the income eligibility guidelines or 60% of the state area median income, whichever is less. Eligibility for households with incomes between 150% and 170% of the federal poverty guidelines is limited to those households with a member who is susceptible to hypothermia, such as elderly, a child twenty-four months of age or under, or with a doctor's diagnosis.
If your heat is included in your rent, you may still apply for LIHEAP.
Additional help may be available if you have less than a 3-day supply of heating fuel or are in danger of having utility services disconnected and you have no means to pay your energy company.
If you are eligible for LIHEAP, you also may qualify for other programs that require LIHEAP eligibility:
LIHEAP FUEL SUPPLIER
Central Maine Power HEAP/ELP Department
83 Edison Drive
Augusta, ME 04336 (207)623-3521
•If you receive residential electric service from an electric utility and you are not living in government subsidized housing, you may be eligible for assistance with your electric bills from your electric utility’s Low Income Assistance Plan (LIAP).
LIHEAP does help many people with their heating costs but those costs are huge in maine and the benifits from LIHEAP have been diminished over the years. Many people only recieve 100 gallons of fuel which runs anywhere from $350. to $450. It is not unusual for a household to use $2500.00 and more. I am not sure of the costs of electric heat but I know that many people avoid electric heat because of the cost. If a rented household is allready set up for electric heat there is nothing you can do.
DeleteThis however still leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
The assistance for electric discount is a very small amount.
Deleteperhaps tori should find an apt that includes elec, then she can stop rattling her beggar can on the internet looking for handouts.
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DeleteWant to come on the Today Show? I'll have my people call your people.
ReplyDeleteMatt Lauer
Grace wanted the reward and a book deal and kept pushing on Tori, as you can see the email is FROM Grace TO Tori not the other way around.
ReplyDeleteYou STFU Siz, posting unpublished phone numbers is against Blogger TOS. Doesn't matter if I emailed it to everyone in the world, Obscure can't post it here.
ReplyDeleteIf Bob Vear calls me I swear to God I will hunt Obscure down until my dying day....
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ReplyDeleteGonna threaten to sue her? like you do everyone else! What an Ass. You emailed it to her, it became her property, as far as I am concerned.
ReplyDeleteLook on the bright side, you could get an exclusive out of him, ask the real hard questions and have it published in the sentinel.
ReplyDeleteMight want to find out when he starts toking up the doobies and avoid those convo's however....
I didn't mail Obscure with my phone number, idiot. I emailed Tori, and she fowarded it to someone else, who then sent it to Obscure. See how that works Suz? Am I typing to fast for you?
ReplyDeleteGod, I feel like I am speaking with Michelle.
WTF is your beef with me anyway? You seem to bring my name here & there, and I don't even remember having any interaction with you at all.
DeleteDon't bother. Grace is a psychotic lulser.
Deletewhat the hell...is tori forwarding EVERYONES emails to everyone else? what for? seems kinda I don't know..TWO-FACED. so where is she now, doing jailtime because she couldnt pay her fines? Is that what the money was REALLY for, she steals from peopl on the internet to pay a fine for ummmmm STEALING? LMAO
DeleteSome please get this bonnie(tori) and clyde(anthony) crew away from anything to do with ayla.
who started the rumour the robberies in portland, cumbies I think one of them was, was a dipietro? could it have been..........................anthony, tori's baby dada esculatng his petty thefts to robbery? did tori start this rumour it was a dipietro?
Anon above me...LOL.
Deleteanon, I remember discussion on Tori's blog at the time, someone noticed that whatever was being held by the robber was in his left hand, so they went "sleuthing" and found a picture of Lance holding a beer in his left hand
DeleteSo what do you think of Tori forwarding private emails between her and Peter Hyatt to other people?
ReplyDeleteTori is one HOT MESS. I think her and Trista have much in common.
I think Tori has more in common with Briana Roberts, don'tcha Tori?
Deletei dont see it, unless tori also thinks justin is a STUD.
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DeleteLOL, yeah, I do like those "exclusives"....
ReplyDeleteI draw the line at Pedo Bob. Even NBC doesn't want to interview him anymore.
So, isn't anyone curious about what happened at Lance's apartment on December 17?
Well I guess it depends who the story is coming from. Is it according to Pedo crazy Bob? Then no thanks.
ReplyDeleteyes, what happened at Lances apt dec 17. It's no fun going to your site, we are unable to comment on anything.
ReplyDeleteUh, I never asked if I could join this club.
ReplyDeleteI am taking responsibility. I clearly outlined what I wanted the money from the book for, Ayla's Law. How selfish of me to want to protect other children from what happened to Ayla.
I had even posted exactly this, san phone number, in a comment a few days ago. No one got upset then.
Yes, I approached Tori about a book deal. Get over it.
You call this fun?
ReplyDeleteI appreciate the laugh this morning Grace.
ReplyDeleteI'll play along - Yes, Grace, what happened at Lance's apartment on December 17?
I do not call this fun.
ReplyDeleteThanks Space. If people wouldn't take me so seriously, they would see I can be quite funny. I have the same birthday as Bob Hope. A few years after his maybe....
ReplyDeleteDec. 17, yes I remember it well. Even though we have a poster here who claims Lance was with his family that day, Bob Vear claims he spent that Saturday consoling Lance and learning all the deep, dark secrets of the DiPietro household.
SUZ,
ReplyDeleteQUIT CALLING ME. I AM NOT GIVING YOU MONEY. THE POLICE CAN TRACE PHONE CALLS.
Give me a freaking break...
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DeleteI am not a psycho, nor am I a psychic.
DeleteAnyone with common sense could tell you what is wrong with your cat. Don't feed her ex-lax, duh.
so Bob ran over wearing his super friend cape and gave poor sobbing Lance a special PAPABOOT hug and kiss....
ReplyDeleteand then?
For the Record:
ReplyDeleteI see nothing sensational in these emails.
None.
o_O
DeleteSorry, I just couldn't help myself. You sure are a good sport, unlike some people....
DeleteI try lol
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ReplyDeleteI see nothing wrong with leaking info, but you have to have a good place to hide afterwards like maybe Ecuador's embassy in London.
DeleteSuz, I did not give these emails to Obscure. I am not bad-mouthing Obscure. I haven't lied. Bugger off.
DeleteGrace did NOT give me these emails. Neither did Tori. Would either of them forward ME email with their personal info? NO. Tori definitely wouldn't, her entire social security number is on there.
DeleteNo, I would not email Obscure with my personal information. Unless he/she wants to pay my bills, then have it! I also handle my own money. My disability is narcolepsy, not brain damage. I'm an accountant, I think I can safely deal with money.
DeleteObscure made a good point in the post I think a lot of people missed. Was some of this a joke? Could I have been dangling carrots in front of Tori's face to try and get more information from her?
Did I actually pay any of Tori's electric bill? Or did I ask John and Jeff to do it?
Emails....I have emails....
Let me bottom line this.
DeleteFrom my perspective:
*Tori was looking to get money.
*Grace was looking to get money.
*Tori had self-serving intentions (pay her electricity bill/fines/etc).
*Grace had intentions that were at least partially for Ayla (fund the law, get Ayla's story out, get justice for Ayla, draw a modest salary).
*Tori only entertained Grace for financial purposes.
*Grace seemed sincere in wanting to help Tori and in wanting to do the book/law.
*Tori is crazy.
*Grace is crazy...like a fox.
The end.
so who has access to the grace/ tori's emails...
Delete1. tori
2. anthony
3 grace
tori didnt sent it with her social etc showing, grace didnt send it with her ph number showing
that leaves anthony................
ahh, I don't know,..Seems Tori has a habbit of passing around info.
DeleteWow, I never thought of that....
DeleteExcept, Jenn/Sarah/Obscuresucks hacked my email. Some of the things Obscure has posted about me came directly from my email, and had never been publicly posted or forwarded to anyone...
So....there's that.
I AM NOT ACCUSING OBSCURE OF ANYTHING...SO DONT START WITH THAT CRAP.
Given that Tori seems to have a tendency to forward emails to various other people involved with her and other blogs, it could have come from any number of people. I happen to think it came from Jenn/Sarah (who I don't actually think is Jenn or Sarah but I won't get into that).
DeleteI need you to get into that...who do you think it is? LOL
Deleteso tori forwarded the emails not realising her personal info was in there, her ssn,her passwords. really? not even she could be that dumb, or could she? I can see her throwing grace to the wolves, but herself ? serving herself up for identity theft like that? then again her credit score is most likely around 150, you cant even get a fingerhut acct with that.
DeleteIll bet she uses her kids ssn for stuff.
I don't take it as an accusation. It's something that you and I know didn't happen.
DeleteThe email was forwarded from Tori to someone, then to someone else, and then to me. Confusing, I know.
Not confusing at all, Tori's cervix tells us how she likes to get around.
DeleteSo...your next "Exclusive" will be about your conversations with Tori's reproductive system? lol jk
DeleteUm Grace, once again you've gone 'round the bend and confused me with yourself. You meant to say that you hacked my blog, not that I hacked your emails because I certainly did not. Nice try though, count crackula!
DeleteAre you saying that you didn't hack my emails? Gosh, I am so sorry then Jenn. I just assumed it was you because YOU THREATENED TO DO SO.
DeleteThen pics of my foster kids started flying around, and emails, and I just got so darned confused.
But if you didn't hack me, I am sorry for accusing you.
Before anyone complains, I am not going to address this poster or any comments about blog stealing or email hacking any more.
DeleteI am going to let someone else handle this the correct way. And not with a bitchfest on Obscure's blog.
Please continue with your scheduled blogging.
That's because you just got caught in a lie.
DeleteOh yeah, that must be it. I'm hiding, just like Tori.
DeleteI know where I stand so let's just agree to disagree
ReplyDeleteGross Anon, why do you have to spoil everything?
ReplyDeleteAre you going to STEAL obscures blog after she makes you an Admin? Is that your agenda here? See I know you want to get in her good GRACES so you can steal this blog that she works hard on, then you can block my ID. Until then you need to deal with it. Obscure, don't get Graced, if you trust her you will get burned, like she said, the enemy of your enemy is your friend. I appreciate you allowing anyone to post here.
ReplyDeletesuz-it appears it was TORI who gave the latest emails to obscure to make grace look like a greedy windbag. ask her.
DeleteNO SHIT? Obscure, is this true? I find this hard to believe. Tori has way better stuff on me than this.
DeleteI doubt Obscure would be that stupid, but still...good point.
DeleteMichelle, go get your helmut, your short bus is here.
DeleteLOL... You're funny. What's a helmut?
DeleteSee, I even misspelled it for you, and you still don't get it...
DeleteSMH
well michelle, if you noticed, tori edited out most of her response to grace and sent it on to obscure who posted it. why would grace out herself with all that private info on there?
Deletewho else had access to the emails but tori and grace. look at the content
Delete1 grace looks kinda bad
+1 tori looks like she barely said anything (edited)
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Tinfoil hat brigade - did I ask a question? My "good point" reply was to Suz for her warning to Obscure. I doubt Obscure would even consider handing the keys over to Grace. Even if I think that, it was still a good warning to give...to keep the guard up.
DeleteAnyway, about the emails...of course they were edited, although I think if I was Tori, I would've removed the whole CMP bit.
Okay, some of you are ..cracking me up...Seriously, I didn't expect to be laughing, but..
DeleteThis blog has, and will continue to have, one admin. With split personalities (#2). LOL
DeleteOh come on Obscure...you know you want to hand all this over to me....
DeleteAs tempting as it is, I must refrain...
DeleteGood idea Obscure. Cuz then Michelle would leave and I would be so lonely...
DeleteTHAT was funny
DeleteROFLMAO, GRACE! I just love your sense of humor. HAHAHAHA HA HA HA HA HOHOHOHOHO.
DeleteAnd what does that say about you, that Tori has worse things on you and isn't posting it...your presence here is worse than Bob Vear on U4A
DeleteIf Obscure asks me to leave, I will. Obscure can block me as well, if they wanted to.
DeleteDoes anyone around here get sarcasm?
No, Tori does not have "worse" things on me. She may have a few embarrassing personal tidbits, I believe I did tell her about my awful childhood, but besides the MONUMENTAL embarrassment of falling for Tori's bullshit, there isn't anything SENSATIONAL to find.
I grew up, went to school, got married, got divorced, went to school, got married, got divorced and finally got sick and retired.
I am human, as we are all. But I am no Bob Vear, not even close.
More like one of those snoopy neighbors you hate, but really have nothing else against except you just don't like her. LOL
So what we have here is your classic "Shoot the messenger" scenario in action.
LOL, damn Suz, you spoiled my master plan!
ReplyDeleteNow I have to think of something else....
I don't know tweety. I'm damn sure not going to tell him!
DeleteOh, something tells me, he's heard.
DeleteJust like LE, Peter scours ALL the blogs. LE scours looking for evidence, Peter scours to see what he can steal to spin into another BORING blog post...I'll bet he got an EYEFULL....
Deletechuckles, you're right.
DeleteI can here Tori now spinning away. How Grace hacked into her emails and stole them.
If I remember correctly, Grace was the one bragging about all the dirt she found on Tori and Jeff when she stole the blog. So pretty sure she's had all this crap since then...no one stole them from her...get real
DeleteI didn't find anything on the blog (of this nature). All the dirt I have they handed over to me on a silver "email".
DeleteThe only thing I found on the blog was who started it. This information speaks VOLUMES about certain people.
grace,,,care to explain this? seems kinda far fetched, were you indulging in some wacky tobacky that day?
ReplyDeleteDoes Tori know Jeff is the Killer?
by Grace Wilson on June 12, 2012 ShareThis
After I figured out that Jeff Hanson was JSTL and therefore must be involved in the murder of Ayla Bell Reynolds, I wondered: Does Tori know Jeff is the killer?
Right off the bat, I am amazed at how accurately these charts describe the situation surrounding this mystery!
Tori told me that her husband recently threatened to kill her in her sleep, so this rings true. It also indicates serial killers, so it speaks to me to confirm the fact that Tori knows Jeff plotted to kill Ayla Reynolds.
I would be happy to explain it, on my blog. This is Obscure's blog, let's respect that, shall we?
ReplyDeleteKeep up the good work! I hope ayla is found soon.
ReplyDeleteYour number has been removed, thanks to #2.
ReplyDeleteSorry for the inconvenience!
Hectic morning..sorry I just saw your request, Grace. I took care of it.
ReplyDeleteThere were a few comments I had to remove. I'm sorry, but some of the conversations belong in an email, not here. There is no need to use this comment section to attack EACH OTHER. Hope you understand :)
ReplyDeleteThank you. I really don't want this blog to become just another one like the others. This one actually stands out as a place for real discussion. The people who are here to throw insults around need to head over to UFA or Ayla's "Angels" where they can freely post their hate.
DeleteI remember tori questioning tllom about the billboards and where the money was being spent. So I think its her turn to be questioned. How much money have you accepted tori and where has it been spent? Honestly, i really want to know. You have done all of this in aylas name while questioning other people. You are one greedy bitch.
ReplyDeletewell I guess because she was conning others out of money she figured everyone else was too, right?
DeleteYup. It was her guilty conscience doing all the questioning!
DeleteI wonder how Justin feels knowing there is someone living locally who is profiting off his missing daughter all the while accusing him of trying to profit off his missing daughter
DeleteSo... does anyone really know why tori got involved in this case? Maybe her motives should be looked at seeing as she is local
DeleteWow, anon...that's one hell of a good point!
Delete2 anon. up.
DeleteGood point, and it is damm sad.
To Anonymous above:
ReplyDeleteI always said if I (and really, how the hell would this ever happen?) were to receive the reward, I would give it to Trista. I knew that wasn't going to happen, but it was nice to dream.
I am still going forward with my law, although I think Jeff and Trista's permission to use Ayla's name has probably been rescinded.
If someone wants to pay me for the story to my part in this ridiculous back-story drama, I will use the proceeds to fund the law.
If someone sees this as "making a quick buck", so be it.
I don't need money, I need for child abuse, parental child abduction and false reporting of kidnappings to cover crime to stop. I'm sick of it.
I am the "poster" on here who says Lance was with his family. And he was. Maybe he went over to Bob's at some point on the 17th. That I do not know for sure. Although I hardly think there were any deep dark secrets shared. I think we have pretty much established Bob's credibility at zero.
ReplyDeleteDid you read Bob's email? I don't think you did.
ReplyDeleteGrace I think you are crazy and I really don't know your real purpose and if its for what you say great. My comment about someone trying to make a quick buck was directed at tori. I am disgusted. I am curious if you gave her money. Care to share?
ReplyDeleteOMG, Seriously?
ReplyDeleteObscure, I go back to my statement about reading comprehension.
Seems to me that maybe the other side is right on one thing. Ayla being missing seems to become more profitable to certain individuals as the days go on. If you want to share important information I am sure everyone will listen. I mean. You were given inside information right?
ReplyDeleteWhy would you give reward money to trista? So she can drink her sorrows away? Maybe you have good intentions but seriously? Offering money to tori, saying you would give money to trista, hell while your at it won't you send Bob a young child to babysit.
ReplyDeleteThat depends on what you mean by "inside" information. Was I given info on what really happened to Ayla? No.
ReplyDeleteDo I know a heck of a lot about Jeff, Trista and Tori? Yep. Could that help Ayla? I don't know.
Who is going to listen to me tho? The crazy woman from Colorado, walking around talking to herself with her grocery cart full of garbage bags, aluminum cans and other trash.
Soooo...apparently Bob Vear doesn't lie, and everything that comes out of his mouth is truth? Uh. Huh.
ReplyDeleteOh please. At that time, yes, I would have given the money to Trista.
ReplyDeleteI gave Tori money because she has a two-year old child, and I verified her elec. bill needed to be paid before I did. I did not send Tori any cash, ever. Did I offer? Yes. Especially when she would tell me they had no food. She refused.
This is no excuse, I was under the Trista kool-aid. I have admitted this. I am wearing my dunce cap.
Get over it.
No Michelle, I have not said and never will say that anything in those emails is true. What is true is that Tori forwarded those emails to me, and she said they were from Bob Vear.
ReplyDeleteGrace, at least you can admit it!
ReplyDeleteNow we are getting somewhere. You paid her electric bill and John sent cash. Anyone else want to add anything? This is pretty interesting. I am just curious as to how much she has conned people out of. Seriously though.
ReplyDeleteOf course I can. It's not that hard. Other's should try it.
ReplyDeleteThanks Obscure and Number 2 for removing my phone number.
ReplyDeleteI was just reminded that I hadn't done that, so please excuse my rudeness.
I am going back to my corner now and waiting for Selena to show. I am sure she is going to want to play.
"playful fool" LOL
DeleteGrace, did you slip something into the water cooler here?
You're welcome, Gracie. As Hannah Montana said...Nobody's Perfect. BTW. If Grace sent the email, don't you think she'd black out her own
Deletephone number? Think about it, Little Einsteins. Tori stabbed so many people in the back, and gave all of her guest bloggers access to her shit. Person A forwarded it to person B..Person B forwarded to person C..Person C forwarded it to person D..and somewhere in the alphabet, it was forwarded to person O. Aka Obscure.
Suz, let it go. Why on earth would Grace send that to Obscure without blocking out the number herself? Be careful...she may take my dunce cap & give it to you. It's just so torturous being picked on by her, too. My poor fee-fees can barely handle being thought of as stupid by her. I just want to spare you of it, because I'm sure you care about her opinion of you as much as I do.
DeleteI just remembered that I hadn't THANKED Obscure and Numnber 2.
DeleteSuz, you have just replaced Michelle as my new favorite. She is going to be so jealous.
I knew it! Damn. Oh well. I guess I'll find a way to cope.
DeleteHey Grace, why don't you tell Michelle your stupid theory? Then everyone will know why I call you Crazy Grace. That theory is the real reason you and Tori's relationships is done. No more hot tubs for you lol. You know, the theory that is true because of Justin's chart, Trisa's chart and Courtney's chart. The one that is so true, if someone dares to disagree with you, you block them? Before you change it to fit the mood over here, I am gonna tell them.
DeleteGrace believes that Jeff approached Justin to kill her for Life Insurance money, Justin agreed to do it. Then the two men told Trista, and she was money hungry too. The plan was to make it look like an accident. But, unfortunately, Justin flew in to a rage and killed Ayla prematurely. Now Jeff and Trista are pissed at Justin, but are so deep in to it that they will do anything it takes to make sure Justin does not get in trouble for killing Ayla. They are protecting Justin, so the two of them don't get in trouble. So the AylaReynolds.com website and the Answers for Ayla and Justice for Ayla blogs are all diversions to make sure justice is never served!
Now you see why I call her crazy Grace. No sane person would ever say or think those things. This was a 20 month old baby, that all three of those people loved. I dont know what happened, but I can assure you it didn't happen like that, and I am sure Justin would agree. But, Michelle, and everyone else who embraces Grace, you can believe her and her stars if you want.mi call her crazy Grace and dis Grace, because of this theory.
I've never embraced Grace. Thanks for sharing that. Interesting. And incredibly far-fetched. People watch altogether too many movies & CSI shows.
DeleteNo problem, she started her own blog revolving around this theory. "Arrests are immenint" she said, because of her figuring this out. She had to start her own blog because it was not welcome on other blogs. I think all of us, no matter what we think about the parents, can agree, that that kind of talk is crazy. I went to her blog as did others, because we thought she went off the deep end, asked her to get some rest, and she banned me and the one other person that I know of. I hope Ayla is alive, but I know all that conspiracy premeditation talk is crazy. She wanted to write a book, but Tori refused to ask Trista forma release. Maybe Obscure is right, Tori is crazy but Grace is crazy like a Fox.
DeleteIf there was a like button I would have clicked it.
DeleteGee Suz, who pissed in your post toasties?
DeleteI'm entitled to my opinion, as is everyone else here. I know my opinion isn't a popular one, which is why I have refrained from stating it here.
This is Obscure's blog, why don't we keep it that way, hmmm?
If anyone want to go over to the astrology blog and tell me I am full of shit, they are more than welcome to do so.
Otherwise, join your friends and bugger off.
Uh, none. I didn't call MSP with that theory at all. I called them when Jeff and Tori threatened me about their stolen blog.
DeleteI don't have any direct evidence to report to MSP regarding Ayla's disappearance. If I get some, I will call.
I called about suspicious comments I saw, but I'm guessing that is not what you are asking.
Selena is not my buddy. She clearly stated she had been to my blog and had seen what I wrote about her family. She said she was glad I made it here.
So really Suz, STFU.
Timeout.. suz, did you just say Justin loves Ayla?!? I'm pretty sure in every conversation I've ever had with you, you speak of him being emotionless, heartless, and a child blooded baby murderer. Im pretty sure you.called him that just a few days ago you said this to me on a facebook page! Unless of course there is another Suz.
DeleteCold blooded.... Not child. Auto correct will probably bee the death of me. I need a new iPoo.
DeleteIf you guys want to make real money maybe you can write for Vince NacMann on the WWWF
ReplyDeleteSo now we have two people supporting Tori,
ReplyDeleteJohhny Cash and Grace Electra..
anyone else want to admit they bent over for Tori's sob story and had their wallet cleaned out?
Wonder if Peter has been conned....
drumroll, please....
DeleteDid you know Tori literally bends over for nose candy? If you know what I mean..
Delete<--- has virgin ears.
DeleteBend over like how?
coke, Obscure...they're saying she is a coke head
DeleteAs in..drop your drawers and touch your toes. But instead of money, she gets something that rhymes with..propane
DeleteI find it amusing that my comment was not approved at U4A due to "cursing" (it contained one curse. The word shit.) yet there's been several comments approved since then that contain much worse curse words. Basically, John is a total idiot and that blog will not allow any comments that are not anti-Justin and pro-Trista.
ReplyDeleteI find it amusing that you think anyone over here gives a flying flip. Aren't you the one who created not one, but two blogs aimed specifically at Obscure?
DeleteGet outta here you troll.
Hey anon who replied to anon (will you people put a friggin name in the name box PLEASE?).... Be nice. You don't know what their purpose for being here is...or who s/he is. Sheesh.
DeleteLol anon mine wasn't posted either but I did succeed in getting a comment from john about it. I think I pissed him off though it wasn't directed at him. Btw obscure. Thanks for letting us use our colorful language over here and not just limiting to talking about erections and other disgusting things.
DeleteI feel bad saying this... I had to Google post toasties just to figure out what the heck they were. Am I the only one?
ReplyDeleteROFLMAO...
DeleteSorry, I figured everybody knew what Post Toasties were! Cornflakes!
Obscure...I think it is safe to say that any new new members (Kitty, Confused, and at least two anons) have been chased off by this attack on Tori. Do you really think they will contribute here?
ReplyDeletePlease don't use the death of a toddler as a weapon to weild in your personal feud with another blogger.
Personally, I was looking forward to fresh persective and not the same old shit. I wanted fresh blood. Now I'm stuck with the same old shit.
Oh... you mean like tori used the disappearance of a toddler to get her electric bill paid and cash or god only knows what and who knows what else she has conned people out of. Not that obscure needs anyone to stand up for him/her but he/she posts facts. Not things they think are facts or things their brothers, uncles, friends, moms, sister, who once dated a guy, who had a kid that went to school with someone whose mom thinks they saw something and posting it as facts. Her trusted and most reliable sources have been dead wrong before.
DeleteObscure, I have a question, I know you hate me and you can't please everyone, but why are you putting up with Grace4Ayla from Colorado. She calls MSP all the time with her Justin killed Ayla theory, and she just used your blog to advertise her Astrology Blog for people who want to know what she really thinks about the DiPietros. She's kissing your ass, and hiding her true feelings and intentions.
DeleteSuz, some people could ask why I'm putting up with you...just sayin'.
DeleteYou don't HAVE to read/respond to what she is saying. Put your big girl panties on---either engage her or ignore her.
I don't care either way.
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DeleteNobody is using the death of a toddler as a weapon to do ANYTHING. Why, you ask? Because unlike you and the cult you rode in on, most of us know Ayla is not dead. You pretty much disgust me,
You KNOW she's alive?! Where is she? Where did you see her? Did you tell MSP where she is?!
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ReplyDeleteI am done with u4a as well. I can't stand johnp and the blog has become completely boring.
ReplyDeleteWelcome!
DeleteIts completely dull and depressing over there and has turned into a game of clue. I guess that's what happens when you lose all hope and write a baby off as dead. I know the evidence and lack of evidence but its okay to maintain hope without someone telling you are dumb and jumping down your throat. Stop telling people to just check their yards and tell them to keep their eyes open in the grocery stores and the mall. I know I kept my eyes open on a recent trip to Disney. And in airports. Everywhere I go. Yeah what are the odds I may spot something here in Texas? But maybe! This isn't a homicide investigation. Its a missing child investigation.
DeleteI'm actually curious here- Since the MSP no longer believes Ayla is alive are they still calling it a missing child investigation? I know they have not been calling it (at least publicly) a murder inverstigation. What are they calling it? Poor sweet Ayla... just come home little one!
DeleteHilary-the sad part is these people at u4a think they are smart enough to figure this all out. Theyre not even smart enough to figure out they aren't too bright. From John P stating Courtney was living with a CONVICTED drug dealer, a LIE, to over a cup of BLOOD, unverified, to Justin is a DRUG DEALER, no arrest or court records,to Phoebe was friends with and related to Karen Small of DHHS, no verification, to State Farm has an agency LAUNDERING DRUG MONEY, pure slander and NO MERIT or evidence what-so-ever.Even after insurance experts on the blog stated the laundering was very unlikely and didnt make sense with the amount of the small policy premiums,they still proceeded to write the blog entry.These are just a few of the sujects that highlight the lack of intelligent fortitude on the blog, not to mention their fearless leader TORI is a CONVICTED CRIMINAL....and recent revelations also have her pegged as a slick little con artist as well.Let's not forget the icing on the distasteful cake ,and their latest judgement blunder-to allow a child rapist to hold center court to the mindless minions who ooh-ed and ahh-ed over his very presense on a blog that was supposed to find justice for a child who was seemingly, if not outright slaughtered, abused herself.
ReplyDeleteUNITED for AYLA...I think not. It's more like the LAND of MISFIT toys who have come to life...I am incredibly sad for this child, to have such incompetence speaking for her.
LAND of MISFIT toys who have come to life(giggle)great comparison:)
DeleteOIC @ United for DUMMIES. . . and this is better. . . . OK. . . NOT. At least that blog is keeping the focus on Ayla. This blog is like a bunch of high school girls gossiping.
DeleteANON: lLIKE button!
DeleteBTW, my x was for united's comment. Not used to so much activity here! Board is moving fast.
Delete@anon...keeping the focus on Ayla? How exactly are they doing that?
ReplyDeleteThey keep no focus on Ayla only on how Ayla may have died. Their only focus is on how Justin did it and who is involved. What do any of them do to raise awareness about a missing baby? No one is welcome to comment about the possibility she could be alive without being feed to the internet warriors on that site. The only possibility that can be discussed is how Ayla died. They make up their own facts and twist things to fit their stories I do not see how any of that will ever help Ayla.
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