Trista is a CONFIRMED alcoholic. It is also CONFIRMED that she was "using" a drug of some sort.
Justin purchased cigarettes at 2 o'clock in the morning. He is CONFIRMED to have purchased the cigarettes in Portland. Brianna Roberts, Justin's girlfriend's sister is a CONFIRMED drug dealer.
How does one arrive at the conclusion that Justin killed Ayla because he was hungover or overtired? How does one arrive at the conclusion that Ayla was injured accidentally and died, because Justin and everyone else at 29 Violette Ave was too stoned to call the police?
We are to believe that despite her alcohol and drug use, Trista was a good mother. We are also to believe that ONE night of alleged partying on Justin's part would cause him to lash out and kill his daughter. Based on no facts at all, we are also to believe that all of the DiPietros and Courtney are drug users? How did Trista manage to parent her children so effectively, when she ACTUALLY was stoned and hungover day after day? SHE DIDN'T.
Regardless of what you think about Justin, there is NO EVIDENCE that he used or sold drugs. No evidence that he had a drinking problem. No evidence that he was partying the night he purchased cigarettes. Have you ever been "under the influence" of tobacco? Furthermore, there certainly is NOTHING to indicate that Elisha, Phoebe, or Courtney were alcoholics or drug users. Phoebe has a really good job, she raised her children, and put herself through school. Elisha takes care of her child, goes to school, and I believe she works as well. Courtney is clearly in school and may or may not have already graduated with her Bachelor's; I am unaware as to whether or not she is employed, but she takes care of her child as well. Justin may not have been working at the time, because of his wrist injury---but he was in school and taking care of Ayla. I am told he works now, and has for the majority of his adult life.
On the flip side, you have Trista. No job. No education. Not taking care of her children appropriately (evidenced by the ultimatum given to her by DHHS). Going nowhere fast.
Are your assumptions about one side logical? Why is it that you choose to overlook the GLARING problems that seem to be right in your face? Why do you choose to attribute things to people when you know damn well they are not true?
Moral of the story: THE ONLY DRUG-ADDICTED, ALCOHOL-ABUSING, NON-PARENTING, LOW-LIFE in this case is TRISTA REYNOLDS. (Jessica Reynolds falls into the same category, but I dare not mention her!)
Well yeah, Obscure, Trista herself told us that even when she was "using" (I forget how she put it), she interacted with her kids.
ReplyDeleteKind of like how Vodka mom did? I don't know....
I have never heard of Phoebe, Elisha or Courtney ever having dealings with CPS about their children, but Trista got Ayla taken away from her even after reporting Justin for abuse?
I'm not buying it.
EXACTLY! I don't buy it either...
DeleteBy the time Justin got Ayla from Trista, Trista says she had called DHHS on him at least 2-3 times. Wow. Great point.
DeleteGreat post
DeleteThanks!
DeleteAgreed, great post, Obscure.
DeleteThere is no evidence that any of the DiPietros or Courtney ever had DHHS after them due to child neglect.
DeleteBut Jessica had multiple children taken away from her by DHHS. I have heard something about Ronnie Jr.'s daughter Lilly being taken away too, although I don't have much info on that, only bits and pieces of rumor. Then there is Trista, who had to go into rehab under DHHS ultimatum and the threat of possibly losing her kids.
The maternal grandparents of Ayla and baby Ray failed to take them and Trista in when Trista was homeless. Baby Ray's father is in prison for arson.
I'd say Ayla's paternal family looks a whole lot more stable, responsible and together than the maternal family, if you ask me.
I'll chime in with great post as well. Thanks Obsure, for continuing to post intelligent analysis that is based in reality and not a figment of someone's imagination!
DeleteAlso, forgive me for asking if this info is listed somewhere obvious that I am just missing. Is there any way to contact you (Obscure) directly with thoughts, without posting a comment? (I have many thoughts on all of this, but they are all over the topics here, and don't really fit into any one spot) I'm not looking for your personal email address, just a way to send an email directly from here to you. Thanks!
Several reliable sources say that Trista has fallen far off the wagon. She is not only drinking often but often with baby Ray at her side.
DeleteThanks Fan of Truth and Common Sense. There's no way to email me from here, but my email is juststopthelies (@) yahoo.com
Deletewithout the parentheses and spaces of course!
I think Jeff is postng as STEVE., this guy sure seems to be calling some shots here on his first day on the blog. YEAH RIGHT!!He and john have some kind of bromance going, boy that was FAST!why is john an ADMINISTRATOR, on the blog apologizing to some 'random' poster who just showed up out of the blue???HINKY!!
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Steve says:
July 21, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Ldybg, please do not take this the wrong way but if you allow an antagonist to antagonize you, they win. If you fuel their fire, they will only continue to grow. As hard as it is to do, the best thing is to completely ignore and disregard comments deemed as personal attacks. Simply move on to another comment. I’ve read your postings and although I do not agree with everything you write, I do enjoy reading your opinions. Best to just move on and forget the past.
Steve says:
July 21, 2012 at 6:14 pm
John, you got mail.
John P says:
July 21, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Thank you Suz for me being the culprit. If you hadn’t notice Steve and I have been trying all day to avoid the talk of this e-mail again and refocus on Ayla Bell Reynolds.
Steve says:
July 21, 2012 at 7:13 pm
MM, I think you’re repling to the wrong post. I don’t believe Lori was trying to argue with you, just stating something she may have read somewhere.
Steve says:
July 21, 2012 at 8:01 pm
John, perhaps you should remove your reply posts as well. Just a suggestion.
John P says:
July 21, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Sorry, this is not like blogger. When you remove the original the replies go with them! I have to go look now to try and find the replies. Sorry!
Steve says:
July 21, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Don’t apologize John. You’re doing a great job. I just thought you may have missed them is all.
John P says:
July 21, 2012 at 8:25 pm
And I would have if you had not mentioned it Steve! Many different aspects between blogger and here. That and unfortunately, those comments are the first I have had to remove from U4A. I hate doing it but sometimes it is needed to keep the focus where you have tried so forcefully to keep it on, Ayla! Thank you for your great efforts as well Steve!
Steve, wordman, Jen, Sarah....what-the-fuck-ever.
DeleteI suspected him as WORDMAN. The letter he wrote to the govenor was assinine! Why is Jeff hiding his identity?
Deletethis is interesting. we spoke yesterday of what happens to the tips. they go directly to the answers for ayla email. looks like they made some chges AFTER it was sugessted they are calling in otherpeoples tips themselves, them being tori, john et al, non fam members to grab the reward. funny isnt it, now that the 30k is no longer on the table the tips are directed to MCU...hmmmm
Chicky says:
July 22, 2012 at 11:27 am
From info on this blog a few days ago I wrote in a tip and recieved a response that the tip has been forwarded to the Major Crimes Unit. I know all tips are forwarded and looked at and put on the list according to importance.
---->I have written in tips in the past and have never had a response untill now <----- and the response came back to me within 3 minutes. I do expect a call from them
There's also a place where one can report tips on the MSP website. It's under "criminal investigation and forensics --> report a crime" Maybe she submitted it there?
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DeleteJuly 22, 2012 at 4:26 pm
OT: where’d Steve materialize from? It’s as if he was “flown in” for P.R. recovery!
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when is the bulb going to go off for BUG GIRL this is JEFF and he's on there to keep the place from blowing up in Johnnys and Tori face..LOL
tori is awfully quiet, she must be busy explaining to peter an he others se fuked-over how gremlins hacked her computor and forwarded her emails all over the place...
Nan says:
DeleteJuly 22, 2012 at 5:28 pm
John, thank you for your answer.
I will have to do some long and serious thinking about his presense here and what to make of his comments. I feel deceived – perhaps I’m the only one in the dark and it was announced earilier as to who he actually was and I missed it? If so, I apologize, I am not in charge of this site so I will bow out leaving as little splash in the water as possible. But if it was not clearly announced, I’m deeply distressed to see him treated as a respected guest star, with any reference to his background left unspoken. I hope that’s not the case, especially on this website – a blog whose very existence arose after grevious harm was done to a innocent child.
Many years ago, I was a victim of a child molestor. I refuse to add acceptance for what Bob has done by ignoring the pedophile elephant in the room, even if only tacitly … especially in light of his inability to take responsibility for his actions. I know firsthand how the false idea of turning a blind eye to evil for the “greater good” actually fails catastrophically. The sole reason my abuse continued as long as it did was because my mother refused to confront the man or his wife, both respected members of our military base where we were stationed. He was a “good man” otherwise and had been in a serious car wreck, which, much like Bob blaming his drug use, was used as an excuse for his actions.
DeleteAre you saying you will go to any lengths to get informaiton about Ayla’s disapperaance, regardless of the motive or reliability of the source? If so, I’m not comfortable with that and with great regret I, too, will be taking a break from this site until I can come to a satisfactory resolution either way. I usually pride myself in being non-judgemental and forgiving, but as long as he minimizes what happened as a “blip” on the radar, it will forever remain in my mind as a despicable and unforgiveable act.
I do realize my feelings in this matter are irrelevant. But IMO it’s very possible that “welcoming” a pedophile on site dedicated to missing child will poison the good intentions of all here.
Respectfully, Nan
Dana says:
DeleteJuly 22, 2012 at 4:35 pm
I need to take a break from this site it seems to be getting distracted and unbelievable lately. Will come back in a couple of weeks maybe things will be more sane.
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So Johnny is trying to silence posters on the board who are objecting to an admitted child molester on the site. His PIORITY IS TO PROTECT A PEDO, not carig that it's upsetting the posters on the board.If yu object you will be thrown into moderation.WHAT A PIECE OF STEAMING DUNG, JOHNNY IS.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!-----------------------------------------------
DeleteNan says:
July 22, 2012 at 6:53 pm
I said my peace, quite respectfully. My post is now “awaiting moderation?”
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John P says:
July 22, 2012 at 7:02 pm
I am sorry Nan, I do not know why your comment went to moderation.
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I think Trista was abusing Ayla. I think the doctors suspected her and not Justin. I think it was bad enough THE POLICE called CPS, and when that happens my friends, it is bad.
ReplyDeleteI think TRISTA lied about Chuck E. Cheese too, and got caught in the media.
What I can't understand is, why is Justin keeping his mouth shut and letting Trista lie all over him? Is he asking for immunity for Trista?
Hmmm...I never considered that Trista lied about Chuck E. Cheese, but perhaps SHE made up the "ball pit story" and didn't realize that there are no ball pits.
DeleteThis has got me thinking...
I suspected this back in the beginning when the timeline came out. Remember the pulled leg muscle? Becca noticed that "later that evening." If Justin did it, why didn't Trista notice it herself and why wasn't it noticed earlier in the day?
DeleteWhy is Justin keeping his mouth shut? One reason only it is not about him and Trista it is about Ayla. He wants all the focus on her and has refused to get involved in the mudslinging game. It does no good for him to speak out, every time he does every one focuses on him and his words and it takes away from Ayla.
DeleteThe whole pulled leg muscle story that Trista tells has a lot of problems.
DeleteShe didn't see a Dr. for this until a week later. Jeff told us that is because Trista was told to wait a week then bring her in to the Dr., if it doesn't get better.. According to Trista she couldn't walk very well.
I do not believe that a medical professional told Trista to wait a week to have her seen by a Dr. Not a Dr., not a nurse, not a ER personal.
So she sees a Dr. a week later. Reports to the Dr. it happened while she was with Dad....A week ago?
She also said that there is pictures of these bruises fron the ball pit story. Has anyone seen them?
Maybe Justin is smart enough to realize that when you lie enough you eventually will dig yourself a big hole and fall into it yourself. All he has to do is say nothing and watch her get caught in her own lies.
DeleteAnd Yes Justin never said there was a ball pit at Chucky Cheese Trista did. In fact if you look back you will see where it was said several times in comments that those were Trista's words and her story not Justin's. And that he in fact said there was no ball pit there.
No pics seen by anyone that I know of.
DeleteThere is no ball pit at Chucky Cheese.
DeleteNo doctor would tell someone not to bring a child in to be seen for something like that. Much less to wait a week. And what mother would wait a week if their child supposedly could not walk on their leg correctly? Annnnd can we say hypocrite? Everyone everywhere is all over Justin for waiting until the next day to have Ayla's arm checked. Broken bones can often not present as broken. Justin did not realize until the next day. He waited ONE day. NOT a whole week! And when he noticed bruising and swelling the next day which it is not uncommon that it does not show up until the next day he took her in. And keep in mind a child/person can often not be in much pain from it at all. Trista is stating she waited a WEEK for Ayla to be seen for a leg she could not walk on. How is that okay?
Deletetrista never discovered that info, a blogger did. Is it possible both were abusing her. maybe even jessica too. why was jessicas kids taken from her. what did she do? why would trista leave ayla alone with jessica.
DeleteI think the day after trista got it on with justin she ent home and got drunk with jessica and they fought over the f trista was still sleeping with justin and sneaking around.then police and dhhs are called, trista ordered to detox and she calls justin to take care of ayla, but doesnt tell jessica because she had problms with justin. then justin doesnt come get her right away, he needed to check with his mom and make arrangements. then when he is ready, he goes to get her but jessica was left in the dark and puts up a fight. I dont believe jessica packed a bag for ayla if she was trying to prevent her from leaving. it doesnt make sense she would accomadate justin by giving him aylas things, namely a pair of pj's jessica said she bought herself.
justin may NOT kow if there was a ball pit at chuck e cheese but courtney sure would, right?
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DeleteNot sure what that means? I believe both Justin and Courtney know that there is no ball pit at Chucky Cheese. It is only Trista who made up the story and added a ball pit to it. One that did not exist.
It is VERY possible that Trista caused some injuries to Ayla and even LIED to HER family about how those injuries occurred. The pulled leg muscle and the bruising on her face. It makes 0 sense for Justin to bruise up Ayla's face in the span of a short visit, knowing full well he would have to explain it when he returned her home. Where are the pics of those bruises? It makes 0 sense for a doctor to tell you to wait a week before bringing your child in to be seen. Especially if you tell the doctor that you suspect an abusive father caused the injury.
DeleteSince there was NO ball pit, people have offered up the only other explanation for the bruising--which would be that Justin caused it---so that's what I'm speaking about.
TRISTA IS LYING.
I suspect this might be true for 2 reasons.
Delete1. she admits to interacting with her kids even while she is WASTED.
2. she had a violent, drunken altercation with Jessica resulting in an appearanceby police and forced entry into detox by dhhs, or lose the kids.
their safety must have been in jeopardy.
what shape is lil ray in these days?
here is the quote
“For the first few months, I don’t think I was the best role model, but neither of my children were neglected,” Reynolds said as she held Raymond, her infant son. “Even if I was messed up, I still interacted with my children.”
As she was about to enter a rehabilitation program in October, Reynolds said, she asked DiPietro if he would bring Ayla to his mother’s home.
“I said, ‘Why don’t you just keep her until I get stable?’ ” Reynolds recalled. “I thought she was taken care of. I thought she was safe.”
http://www.boston.com/2012/01/28/aylawebl/4unF0Y9r1R2J9Ch9jgUioO/story.html
Anybody seen this anywhere:
DeleteWhile in DiPietro care, Ayla comes back with bruises on her face. When pressed for an explanation, DiPietro said Ayla "got into a fight" at a Chuck E. Cheese. Toddlers do not "get into fights" and it is reported that when Trista went to complain to the manager, she learned that there was no "ball pit" for children at the restaurant.
http://seamusoriley.blogspot.com/2012/02/disappearance-of-ayla-reynolds.html
Trista went to complain? I've never read that asserted by ANYONE except for PEETER. He's got some "credibility issues" of late, so I'm not sure what to think!
Nope, never heard that anywhere else. I do remember Becca being asked by Nancy Grace about the alleged Chuck E. Cheese incident and her response was something like, "he just wasn't watching her, I guess." (Apologies, I'm quoting from memory) Seems like that would've been an ideal time to mention Trista's complaint to the manager if it were true.
DeleteI have never read this before. Trista went to complain? About what? That makes no sense. How would that conversation go? "Some kids were picking on my kid in your ball pit so I am really mad at you." Maybe I will sue when I sue DHHS. I am mad at them too. I mean really?
DeleteI have not seen anyone saying that Trista did not know there was no ball pit at the restaurant. It is very interesting to me that as always it is in hindsight that their side has a back up story that surfaces to cover their mess ups in their stories. Trista made up this story. She made up Justin telling her there was a fight in the ball pit not knowing there was no ball pit there!!! End of screwed up story.
Exactly, except that it is hard to make up shit when you're on the spot on national TV!
DeleteObscure.."I've never read that asserted by ANYONE except for PEETER. He's got some "credibility issues" of late, so I'm not sure what to think!"
DeleteI know what I think, I don't trust much of what Peter writes. He has credibility issues for sure. I've seen so many things he misquoted, or misleads on. If you point it out, your comment is deleted.
I believe Trista is the one responsible for Ayla's bruises and pulled muscle. She always had a story ready when her family asked what happened to Ayla. That is probably why they hate Justin, although they probably know better.
DeleteJustin visited with Ayla for the day, took her to do something fun for the afternoon, then returned her to Trista. Are we to believe that Justin, in public, or in the parking lot, beat up on Ayla and then brought her back to Trista?
No doctor's office would tell you to wait a week if your 17, 18 month old daughter could not walk. And if you thought the father abused her, wouldn't you have her seen right away? Pulled muscles are not common in a child that age.
signed:getrealpeople
I would also like to bring up something I stated in the past.
DeleteLavanda Dolce (Cynthia, from "Lost N Missing", I believe), commented that the timeline found on the internet, was a record by the family of the abuse to Ayla by Justin. It was not meant for the public to view. Jeff/Trista, recorded the incidents on the internet because he was afraid of losing the data if his computer crashed! He forgot to uncheck the box that made it visible to the public. I always found that strange because, they didn't have dates or times listed on some of the entries.
Who told this to "Lavanda Dolce", Trista or Jeff?
If you are keeping a record of something, especially of this magnitude, wouldn't you jot down the time and date, who you spoke with, etc.. You could then add it to your timeline on the internet later. I find it strange, having to pay for a site to record this info. Why not just keep a notebook? Oh, I guess the house could burn down and there goes your notebook!
signed:getrealpeople
wtf?
DeleteAnon re: timeline
DeleteI agree the timeline was manufactured to be anti-Justin.
As for "It was not meant for the public to view. Jeff/Trista, recorded the incidents on the internet because he was afraid of losing the data if his computer crashed! He forgot to uncheck the box that made it visible to the public."
I don't believe that at all. I recall seeing announcements somewhere of when the timeline would be up and where.
Help me recollect here...there was something in the text messages that were posted on this site. Trista told Justin that Jeff was working on a timeline and offered Justin an email copy?
Delete@the space between, I don't believe it's true, but I do believe, either Trista or Jeff , told her that. I don't think she made it up.
DeleteAnyway, just goes to show more of the lies, and concocted stories, and discrepancies, and.....etc., etc., etc. that these people feed the public.
signed:getrealpeople
Finally! I found the comment about the timeline by Lavanda Dolce. (I apologize. I should of found it before I made the remark!) When I first heard about the timeline it was txt.doc on the internet that someone had found.
DeleteHere's the comment from websleuths.com (thread 7, pg 30, comment #744):
1 Feb 2012
"First, Trista was going to allow Justin to watch Ayla, however, after consideration she felt best Ayla stay with her mom and sister. Yes, a group meeting was held and Justin is the one who did not comply. In putting together their timeline, Trista, mom and sister sat with stepdad and outlined the Timeline as it would be information she knew they would need in a potential custody hearing. Keep in mind, Trista's stepdad did not want to risk all the dates and recollections from being lost so he stored it online in a document storage place. Because one has to have a log in and password they assumed that it was safe in case his computer crashed that it was in safe keeping and didn't realize there was a small button that you check for public or private. Another sleuth site found it and published it...which forced Trista to also release it. It was not by their choice."
signed:getrealpeople
Thank you, getreal! There is so much bs in there, I don't even know where to begin.
Delete@more questions, I know!!! I had forgotten what all was in the comment.
Deletesigned:getrealpeople
Okay, I've stewed over it for awhile and I think I'm ready :) Let's start with the obvious....potential custody hearing? The timeline was put together AFTER Ayla was reported missing. Seems a very bizarre idea to be prepping for court when the child in question can't even be located. By the way, it was the whole custody thing that made me suspicious of the Reynolds clan in the first place. Not because Trista went to file, but because of the way they kept citing reasons that Ayla should be with Trista. In other words, this should have been a missing baby case, but they turned it into a custody case and I could never understand that.
Deletemore questions - interesting observation
Delete@more questions
DeleteI responded to your comment early morning, but for some reason it didn't go through. Anyway, you've made good points!
I had remembered them as saying they were keeping record as events happened, until I found the comment on Sunday.
If your child disappeared, why would you be spending all your time preparing for a custody hearing concerning said child? Very good question. It makes me more suspicious of the Reynold's.
My first thought was (if Trista was involved): Trista filed with the court the day before Ayla disappeared, thinking no one would look at her. Why would she kidnap her daughter, when she is trying to get her back the legal way? She made some comment about "doing it the legal way, this time" (paraphrased- I'd have to look it up). But, you make a very good point!! I hadn't caught that, until you brought it up.
Food for thought--for sure!!!
signed:getrealpeople
? LOL This seems random....
ReplyDelete.
ReplyDeleteTin Foil Fedora, Female. 2 comments collapsed Collapse Expand kitty, I have been reading your comments over at U4A. I applaud you. I am not a "clique" gal, either, and you are loyal to TEAM TRUTH. I'm proud of you, standing alone and holding your head high for Ayla.
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Collapse Expand Oh God, Foil, thank you for that! Right now, I'm pretty disgusted with things over there. There is definitely a "clique" mentality, and little tolerance for objectivity based on facts as we know them. If I don't "pom pom" for Trista, I'm some sort of freak of nature.
I MUCH prefer the dialogue here, but the Sentinel doesn't run enough stories on the case to keep me occupied.
Hey, maybe I'll join the ranks of TTLOM! Rumor has it that members get a signed photo of Justin in a Speedo. I'll see if I can score one for you too!
this was from the morning ssentinel site. how sad this intelligent poster is chased from u4a because of the asshats over there.
DeleteMcKeekitty and I disagree about the material facts of this case---and what we think ultimately happened to Ayla---but I have to say, she is one of the few posters over there that I actually respect!
Deleteyes, me too, but she is being trashed and ganged up on now for asking hard questions. next tori will post her private emails and ip addy like she does to all the dissenters.then make up a lie as to why they left.
DeleteI dont think any of us know the truth of what happened and our opinions of the facts and each other may also change over time as new info is exposed. I hope she comes here and sees the latest emials from peter and tori. that will really push her over the edge. I myself am questioning some of the things jeff is attributing to trista......
This is one of those "I told you so" moments. I saw right through Tori the moment I read her first blog.
Deletemckeekitty says:
ReplyDeleteJuly 21, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Lori…for obvious reasons, I will no longer be posting here regularly.
I haven’t heard that “more than a cupful” was dismissed. Can you please tell me where this was cited?
And for those that maintain that the email wasn’t “any big deal”, I beg to differ. Please tell me how this excerpt from Jeff’s email is responsible:
“They told her that because of the amount of blood found in the DiPietro’s basemenet and becauses of the items found in the damn (sic) they believe Ayla is…dead.”
And I cry, bullshit.
Why release those details, Jeff?
The blood is a BIG deal. LE never told the public that the blood was why they came to their conclusion. They said something to the affect that the evidence and searches and dives and passage of time is why they reached their conclusion. Nothing specific about the blood detail that we are to believe was only shared with Trista and Justin.
Was it the “amount” of Ayla’s blood, or the “presence” of Ayla’s blood, Jeff? Big difference.
And where does LE get off saying that items found in the dam contributed to their grim conclusion? Wouldn’t it be natural to ask “what items?” LE might have told Trista “we can’t disclose that” but they had no problem disclosing the controversial blood issue.
Man, talk about tainting a potential jury pool.
I fully expect to be told to get lost for asking a hard, difficult, and uncomfortable question.
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John P sucked up to her and asked if he could email her privately. I smell another big fat bullshit lie being cooked up and spread around as if it were jelly, as my daddy used to say.
DeletePolice your own part 6!
Deletetheir ranks grow smaller and smaller as the lies are exposed one by one. (THANKS TO OBSCURE!)
now they are even throwing Trista under the bus to save their sorry asses?
wow..
ON A BLOG THAT HAS TRISTAS DAUGHTERS NAME PLASTERED ACROSS THE TOP NO LESS!!!!people percieve the opinions there as coming from the MATERNAL FAMILY. This is going to come back to bit trista big time!
DeleteBob Vear was brought up on an earlier post, but I can't recall where. Something about how Tori and Jeff are cozying up to him. They aren't the only ones.
ReplyDeleteIn this story: http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/police-found-blood_2012-01-28.html
I found this:
"The pair, both wearing Ayla T-shirts, moved to the City Hall steps where they hugged Bob Vear, a Waterville resident who organized the vigil."
The pair being TRISTA and Justin.
yes, john and tori have been kissing that creeps ass hoping to get an exclusive article from him to post and then disect into oblivion like they do everything else. 95% of their talk is completely stupid and they make themselves look like utter imbeciles. johnny and mountain mama are the 2 worstoffenders. I think if the two of them had a kid together it would basically be born as a rock with one eyeball.....
DeleteI tell ya, just reading over there will make your IQ take a tumble.
i lol'd. A rock with one eye...
DeleteAccording to Tori she'd been secretly emailing with Bob Vear for months. When he started posting at the blog Tori responded with a "<3" :/
DeleteReally? Because Bob Vear is over at U4A spouting his mouth off right now how he "involved with Lance as a friend who needed help" and that "throughout all this time" he was "being lied to and used by Lance and his family".
DeleteOh really Bob? Who was (is) lying and using who?
Bob inserted himself and proclaimed himself to be a very close friend of the family. Turns out that even Justin only met him for the first time at the the vigil that Bob put together. Which don't get me wrong was a nice idea. But Bob who "knew" the family so well had never even met Justin. And was a friend of Lance's through work. Not a close friend but an acquaintance. Someone you are nice to. You know like that nice kinda of sometimes eccentric old guy from work that you are just nice to. And maybe Lance even hung out with him a few times who knows that would be typical Lance. Still does not make them best friends forever more. And does not mean he is a family friend. Apparently he was not.
DeleteBob is also claiming that he didn't speak to LE about Lance's blood comments until January 29th, because he found out that the blood was not Phoebe's, as Lance claimed, but Ayla's.
DeleteBut Bob told the media about the blood on Dec. 26th. So, it wasn't important enough to speak with LE, but was important enough to call the media?
Something stinks.
they are obviously plotting a double cross on pedo bear vear.
Deletethey want him to spill his guts and then they will eviscerate him.
<3 a confessed and CONVICTED child abuser? RLY tori??
on a blog supposedly devoted to a child??
blogging acquaints a man with strange bedfellows and i guess Tori and Jeff will sleep with a convicted pedophile in their self-proclaimed 'quest for justice'.
"means to an ends" apparently justifies all their slimy acts and betrayals over there.
NOTICE TO J$A SUPPORTERS:
anyone who accepts or approves of Tori's <3 for a pedo is <3ing child abuse!
I wonder if she lets Bob give Ava his special PapaBoot hugs?
Deletevear molested his stepdaughter and shattered her life...now he spends his days caressing his pot plants and begging for friends to smoke dope with. he needs to fess up how lance gifted him some plants around the time ayla'''disapeared'''' as he told his buds on rollitup.com
Deletetori and john are attention whores, and I think 'STEVE' the new bloggr is actually JEFFIE in disquise.
Trista was happier than a pig in mud having her crush justin there.WHEN is she going to get the message she has no chance with him?
Delete@ Bob Carasses: Why isn't the point of post to try and uncover why Lance was handing out pot plants on the night/morning Ayla was reported missing? Focus. Bob reported receiving pot plants at 5:38(ish) am on the 17th. Why are we talking about Tori or Jeff at all? Before the backlash, remember I am not the one who brought up the pot gifts.
DeleteCharlie - Bob responded on U4A to a question about the plants. They said they were a gift from his wife. That besides his own prescription, he's a legal caregiver for 2 people with fibro. He also responded that Lance never asked him how to clean up blood, and he didn't know where that rumor came from.
DeleteFrom my one conversation on the steps with Bob...he was practically begging me to open a path to Justin, Phoebe, Li and Courtney. He wanted them to call him or vise versa. Phoebe said to stand clear of him...I have no reason to question Phoebe's judgement about people...I stood clear.
Delete*...I am Phoebe's older sister...but have always trusted her judgement. If she says something like that...there is good reason.*
Now Im wondering ....she only made a few statements to the press...Short and precise...condensing everything into a short comment...with lots of meaning.
"as he told his buds on rollitup.com"
Deletecute double entendre! :))
I wonder how John P's wife would feel if she knew her husband was engaging in inappropriate contact with strange women on U4A? Ie. the erection comments, etc... He strikes me as a pervert himself.
ReplyDeleteerection?
DeleteI thought he has heart problems?
Slow down, old man!
I think Johns wifes taxidermied body sits in a chair next to his computor and he talks to her while he types away the hours on u4a.
DeleteHey Tori, who is the source that told you arrests were imminent?
ReplyDeleteSince you are blabbing everything else just thought I'd ask.
Tee Hee..That was probably Jeff.
Deleteor Peter? (perhaps he ascertained that info scientifically through analyzing LE's "we're not going to discuss that" press conferences)
Deletelol
DeleteBut it works!
ReplyDeleteCG says:
ReplyDeleteJuly 21, 2012 at 9:02 pm
On the timing: if it’s true that Justin went and got a bed from Portland the night of the 16th… he had Courtney coming over. She didn’t wait in Portland for him or get someone to pile the bed into her vehicle and save him the trip? Instead she headed to his house while he headed to Portland to move a bed?
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HOW THE HECK DO YOU PILE A BED INTO THE BACK OF A HUNDAI? WTF?
what size was it? and what about the frame and boxspring?
IDIOT METER SCORE-10
Interesting that you accept Trista's word as confirmation when you agree with her and it's unconfirmed rumor when you don't.
ReplyDeleteYou have a valid point there, sources. Here's the thing, though. (my perspective only) No one lies 100% of the time, and I don't think anyone here believes that every word that comes out of Trista's mouth is a lie. The trick is trying to figure out what thoughts really belong to Trista, and what things she's parroting back. In other words, I think people put things into Trista's head and she runs with it. I also think some of Trista's inconsistencies are from her trying to cover for other lies that's she told to other people (her family, perhaps.) There are some things that I think Trista doesn't completely recall, so she fills in the blanks, and there are some other things that we never heard from Trista at all-only things that other people (Jeff) attribute to Trista. Part of the process is analyzing these things and finding the statements that can actually be supported by fact.
DeleteYou are correct about the nature of lying/truth. I think we should rely very little on what anyone says and look for independent corroboration of anything we are going to call hard and fast fact. Then if you want to talk probabilities, fine you can analyze personal statements and judge some of them to seem like truth because they fit the other facts or for whatever reason.
DeleteTiming also seems important. Trista reported Justin for potential child abuse as incidents happened (we have seen independent evidence of one such report with the doctor records on the leg- for the rest we'd have to take her word) and at a time when he wasn't looking for custody. That makes it seem to me that her concerns were sincere, regardless of whether they were justified. She wouldn't lie about calling the dr. and being told she could wait and see if the leg improved IMHO because she would know there would be notations in the medical file to support the call being made or not even if not great detail.
Facts yes the drs's report does refer to "concern for non-accidental trauma given timing of acute onset limp (had just returned from visit with father)..." http://aylareynolds.com/anon/aylas_gait.pdf Under plan step 2 is report to DHS; maternal concern about safety at Dad's house.
DeleteWhether this proves abuse or not, it proves Trista talked to the dr. about her concerns in Sept. and assuming the dr. followed up as required by law, there was a report to DHS about that time.
BUT, this also proves trista knowingly sent her daughter into harms way and is guilty of child endangerment, neglect.that she DIDNT CARE if Ayla was abused since she asked Justin to take care of her until she was stable after rehab.
DeleteSources - I agree with whoever posted that Trista herself could have hurt Ayla's leg. (Example: Becca "why is she limping like that?" Trista "must be from her time with Justin." Becca takes Ayla to the dr. with Trista and makes sure Trista tells dr. about "suspected abuse.") It is possible.
DeleteAnonymous, unfortunately life isn't that black and white. She probably tried to convince herself he wouldn't really hurt Ayla, he loved her and Ayla, etc. but even if she thought he were an evil monster, the law was on his side. Just look at what happened without the "who" factor. A woman went into treatment. Her children were with her sister. The bio father of one comes along and takes one over the sister's objection. Police help him, clearing it with DHS despite there being a report of abuse filed against the bio father a short time earlier. We don't know if DHS investigated and dismissed the abuse allegations or didn't get around to investigating and that's an important thing to know. But regardless, DHS told the police Justin could take Ayla. Trista's abuse report did not stop him from asserting his "rights." (and she says she made reports herself to DHS as well). So while her acquiescing in Justin taking Ayla (we've heard diff stories and don't really know if it was after the fact or before) doesn't make a difference in terms of the outcome- that Justin was going to end up with Ayla one way or the other. I don't think it shows she didn't care but it may show she wasn't sure, felt helpless, believed that working things out with Justin was in Ayla's interest, felt that as long as Ayla was in Justin's family home with Elisha and Phoebe, nothing bad would happen... I see it as naivety not indifference to Ayla's well-being.
DeleteReally?- sure it is possible but what would her motive be at that point? The only reason anyone suspected abuse was her report. It's not like she was being investigated and gave this account. The leg was practically healed by the time of the dr. visit so if she weren't concerned about Justin abusing Ayla, she might have skipped it altogether and no one would have been wiser.
"Conflicted" would be a good way to describe Trista. I think she had concerns but was looking for more proof than it's reasonable to find and at the same time maybe willing herself to buy into Justin's excuses because she didn't want to believe he could or would hurt their baby. Those statements about how she so badly wanted to have the family for her kids she didn't have growing up speak volumes to her inexperience and motives.
sources - the "motive" could be one of a couple things 1. she was drunk and didn't remember; 2. she wouldn't tell her mother that she hurt Ayla, so she said someone else did it
DeleteReally?, It's possible but I don't think likely. Her mom was there and would have had some inkling, presumably. And given the repeated injuries- Justin admits the broken arm happened on his watch and Heidi says Ayla cut her foot on his watch, and the police reported the troubling find of Ayla's blood being spilled in the basement on Justin's watch- and Justin only had contact with Ayla for a very short time. Even if you ignore the leg and the ball pit - that's a lot of injury to a baby in 2 months' time. Trista had had Ayla living with her since birth without injuries of concern.
Deletesources - I see what you're saying, I take issue with a couple things - the description of the blood as being "spilled" and the last statement, we don't know if Ayla was without injuries of concern with Trista. We could say that Gabby and Ayden also seem fine, and Phoebe's children are now grown up. It seems to be a group of adults that don't abuse children, and don't tolerate domestic abuse in general (ie. Linnell situation, Selena's situation she spoke of here, Lance terminating his friendship with Bob V when he found out he was a pedophile), so I don't see that they could or would tolerate Justin abusing Ayla.
DeleteI know for a fact that when Justin found out Bob was a Pedo he called Bob himself. Keep in mind Justin does not know Bob. He then told him in no uncertain terms to "never have anything to do with my daughter again" "Do not even speak her name" "Your help is not wanted."
Delete@Sources
DeleteIf their were no concerns than why did Trista have DHHS involved? They were her case worker not Justins. And had been involved for awhile. DHHS does not get involved unless there are concerns.
Please we really think that Trista reported abuse to DHHS and to doctors and neither one followed up on it? Or maybe just maybe this is another one of those stories that will get twisted around later. Because fact is that is two important abuses of ethics if both the Dr & DHHS did not follow thru. Or did Trista just not report it. And that would make more sense along with the fact that she seemed just fine with asking Justin to take Ayla. And then not going to see her more than once in two months. That follows Trista actual pattern of parenting. Look it up ask her friends.
DeleteTrista is drinking again. Back to her old patterns of drinking everyday. Little ray at her side. Friend says they are disgusted that she does not even seem sad.
DeleteWell, of course she doesn't seem sad. There are one of two ways to look at that, imo:
DeleteA)She is coping the best way she knows how (self-medicating). Alcohol absolutely numbs pain.
B)She has nothing to be sad about. She knows Ayla is just fine.
C) She has given up and has reached the acceptance stage that ayla is never coming home again or is in deep denial
DeleteD) Casey Anthony is not sad either.
Deleteso upsetting to even contemplate this line of thought.
Anonymous, look at the medical report I referenced above. The abuse was report by Trista to the dr. and the dr. made a notation about reporting it to DHS.
DeleteSame or diff. anon: DHS was involved with Trista because Trista and Jessica had a fight when she was drinking and the police were called.
Really?, Ok spilled probably isn't the best language. The blood was there. I disagree with your analysis of potential abuse in the DiPietro family. To infer that because kids managed to grow up they weren't abused? Doesn't work. The world is full of adults abused as children.
As far as the family accusing outsiders of abuse, that isn't convincing to me either. Possibilities: 1. pot calling kettle black, 2. us v. them, 3. easier to delude yourself and explain away as non-abuse when its one of your own, 4. when you look at Phoebe's statements, the classic enabler comes through very strong, 5. Justin's demeanor and texts fit the abuser profile
-- none of this means he or anyone else in the family necessarily IS an abuser but from an analytical standpoint, there are good reasons to strongly consider that possibility. Look at the way he addressed the mother of his daughter- I recall him addressing her as an idiot, for example. Does this sound like a man who respects females? There is a parallel between how men treat women and how they treat children and this particular child was mothered by someone Justin treated with contempt.
sources - first let me say I appreciate your ability to have a civil discussion
DeleteYes, mostly we can only speculate on the information available to try and fill in the blanks. I also consider the level of DHHS involvement with either family prior to Ayla's disappearance. I don't think I've read anywhere that the DiPietros ever had DHHS involved in their lives before. The very first quote from Becca Hanson I remember reading a couple days after Ayla went missing was something to the effect of "DHHS has always had it out for our family." Why would that be? Also, why would that be one of the first things she says when Ayla goes missing?
As for a certain portion of texts that were made available I agree that name calling isn't the best choice of verbage. However, I don't know how I would feel if I were in Justin's shoes. If I was innocent, and she kept badgering me with foul language and accusing me of being a murderer I might say similar things eventually. If I was Justin and had guilty knowledge of Ayla's disappearance I'd probably be more inclined to just let her berate me all day long.
I'm one who isn't convinced in any particular direction about what happened to Ayla. Sometimes I feel like neither Justin nor Trista know what happened either.
DHHS was involved with Trista because she had an alcohol/drug problem. And DHHS had been involved with other family members in the past. Family members who currently took care of Ayla. Let's face it. The Reynolds and DHHS had a history. Not so the Dipietro's.
DeleteAnd are you saying everyone who swears fits the profile of an abuser? And if so then what does that say about Trista who was swearing at Justin and calling him a murderer? And her father who actually threatens to murder Justin on National television? If they behave that way in public how do they behave behind the scenes? If they are as angry as they show on their blogs and in the media what lengths are these people willing to go to? Do they think they the right to take a child from the home maybe and then in hindsight panic because it spiraled out of control?
I’m tired of hearing how Trista is so young, immature, naïve, blah blah blah. She’s 24 years old. How many women in this country have children at the same, or younger age, than she was, and adapt quite well into the role of motherhood? Yes, she may not have had the ideal childhood, but a lot of people haven’t. That’s an easy out being given to Trista. She does nothing to better herself. Trista naïve? Trista is all about herself, and she’s extremely jealous (IMO).
DeleteSources, you say, "Trista reported Justin for potential child abuse as incidents happened ", but yet you can only provide one source. Was it reported as abuse because Becca was there? Trista may have told the Doctor “her concerns” about Justin, but was it the truth. Sure, the doctor would have to follow up on it, but that doesn’t mean Trista didn’t lie. As to the leg injury being practically healed by the time of the Dr. appt, Ayla couldn’t walk for three weeks, according to the Reynold’s. And if you suspected abuse by the father, why wait a week to see if it got better. Why even call a doctor if you believe the injury is from abuse? Wouldn’t you just have her seen to have it documented? If it “got better” in a week, they weren’t going to report it?
Trista had a caseworker from DHHS. They didn’t just jump in after the fight with her sister, and say, go to rehab or lose your kids. They had a history on her.
Trista has taken her queue’s from the public since Ayla disappeared. She answers questions one way to the reporters and TV host’s. Then, she reads the blogs and picks up on all the theories and speculations, and before you know it, she has a new story to tell, or something to add to it. She acts like a blogger, or a commenter on a blog site. She’s the mother of a missing child!!!!!!!!!!
Sources, your comments may appear well written, and informative, to a reader who knows nothing about this case, but in actuality all you have presented is Trista’s words.
Signed:getrealpeople
@sources - You stated, "She probably tried to convince herself he wouldn't really hurt Ayla, he loved her and Ayla". Why would Trista think that Justin loved her, when she said on national TV, that Justin and her never had a relationship, they were just two mutual friends. (Doesn't sound like she loved him.) And, when did she tell Justin Ayla even existed?
Deletesigned:getrealpeople
sources,
DeleteSome 3 weeks after this Dr. visit concerning the pulled leg muscle, there was a Team meeting with DHHS. There was 2 Dr's there, a couple DHHS workers, a lawyer, Trista, Jessica and Justin (by phone). If a Dr., or someone had reported abuse to DHHS, I have to believe that it was addressed at this meeting. If DHHS had not recieved and or reviewed by then a report from a Dr., surely Trista would have addressed it. Jessica.
Justin was allowed to keep Ayla. I don't think that wouild have happend were they worried about abuse.
Yes, I know that, according to Trista, Justin was to return Ayla after 2 days. However she also has stated that she had an agrrement with Justin that he would care for her until she got on her feet.
And if Justin truly was supposed to have given Ayla back after 2 days "per an agreement with DHHS" then DHHS would have gone and gotten Ayla themselves. Believe it or not we are not that backwoods here in Maine. We do give DHHS the authority to follow through on their orders. Clearly that was not the case as "Trista stated". Imagine that. I really would have liked to have been a fly on the wall to have seen what this meeting really was about. And who was there. There is no proof as usual only Trista and Jeff's version. And conveniently no one there can back up their story. But oh wait I am sure we will soon see a document appear from somewhere signed by someone saying they were there.
Delete"She wouldn't lie about calling the dr. and being told she could wait and see if the leg improved IMHO because she would know there would be notations in the medical file to support the call being made or not even if not great detail."
ReplyDeleteI'm not so sure that Trista would even think of that.
Actually it wasn't Trista who said she was advised to wait a week to see if it got better.
Jeff is the one who made that statement, on A4A, AFTER being ask by several why the Dr.'s appointment was a week AFTER the incident was said to have happened.
Sorry, this should be under sources
DeleteFor not being there, Jeff sure does seem to know an awful lot about exactly what was going on with Ayla & Trista, in detail even. I call bullshit.
DeleteWow. The post above says that Bob Vear's molestation victim was his own step-daughter! Is this true? OMG if it is true. This creep is sicker than I thought. And is Vear still married to the mother of the victim, or was that a prior wife? The cast of characters in this missing child case keeps getting weirder and weirder.
ReplyDelete.. I am a pedophile. But because of Maine's law, I do not have to register as a sex offender, for it happened over 30 years ago. I had a blip in life. I was on street drugs, and they were heavy hitters. Similar to today's Bath Salts. I made a mistake and am ashamed of it. I am morbidly ashamed of it. I will, as will she, carry that weight until the end of time. But ... To repent, I feel the need (personally speaking here) that it happened over the corse of time that I was "messed up". I am not that way today, nor have I been for over 28 years when I met someone that I married.
DeleteBob Vear wrote:
Delete"It is not about me here, but what I talked about to those gathered yesterday, a few souls that cared. I spoke about 4 different values called ... Community, Hope, Faith, and Family. I had the ear of those gathered. They received the message. I had the ear of the media. They did not. I, personally, am involved deeper than you may, or even I realize, or in my personal case, realized . I have contacted Maine State Police and I have been called back. I strongly believe that moving forward, will probably be called upon by LE, to give a statement of various conversations to what has transpired since December 24th. I kindly ask that you do not approach myself, my wife Darus, and Nikkia and ask about conversations with someone in particular that we have as a friend. I, no matter what happens, will remain with this friend through the trenches, for I never, nor will, call him any other, than Friend.
I still have a Friend, who unfortunately, killed his wife in front of his children. He is currently serving time at the Maine State Prison. I, despite his actions, still write to him, and refer to him, as a friend in conversations. I never waver, nor give up. That is just me.
by he way, the stepdaughter was SEVEN YEARS OLD at the time.
Deletelooks like he was still tryng to contact his victim?
DeleteDear Bob,
Since I know you are reading here I will address you directly as well. Leave your victim ALONE!! It has been 14 years since I have seem my father/abuser. There is nothing he could say to make what he did ok. If you were sincerely sorry, you would just leave her be.
"Tonight, if you have a small child at home, hold, hug and caress them,” said Vear. “One never knows.”
Delete"the stepdaughter was SEVEN YEARS OLD at the time."
DeleteO. M. G.
i did not know this.
i feel sick.
Tori <3s this guy!
J$A welcomes pedophiles.
did Bob pay Tori's bills and outstanding warrants as a cover charge to get VIP status in the " Justin did-it-club" ??
you won't ever likely know the true answer to that one J$A-ers.
velvet glove - "did Bob pay Tori's bills and outstanding warrants as a cover charge to get VIP status in the " Justin did-it-club" ??"
Deletethat sounds plausible
Conceive true deception multiplied a million fold
ReplyDeleteVisualize the yin and yang in a battle so intense
that we get em confused
The resident evil specialize in misconstruing
We wanna be at a presidential level -- what are we doing?
Foolin ourself, clowning ourself, playing ourself
By not being ourself
We can't babble no more than we can bob our head offbeat
Nimrod by the time we forty cause we can't get our meat
While we ask no reason for the misplacement of the season
look at the picture that's painted
Tainted as the mind who's blinded to the point
where Sodomites get all the rights
We fall for fights with fisticuffs
Get pissed enough to miss the bus
It disgusts me to see my folks run up on
I say stand up on deception of time all of Revelations
And recognize this mind on the reality of horror
known as mankind
Jesus and his twelve disciples make thirteen
A righteous number of righteous men
Even Judas the Betrayer came true in the end
The Devil say the end is the beginning
They teach that we were the product of incest
Invest no level of self into their system of Paganomics
Stand with us and don't look back upon it
Just face this mindstate
Otherwise Babylon...
hmmmmm
DeleteDo you guys have room for a new member?
ReplyDeleteDepends on your motive :-)
DeleteI'm always down for debates..as long as they don't end with people attacking one another. Another words..Welcome to my humble commode(or abode..)
Shall I ask what prompted this? Either way, you're more than welcome here. Take off your shoes, and come on in.
hello mckee
DeleteCome on in mckeekitty, we don't bite! (not hard anyway!-just joking)
Deletesigned:getrealpeople
Tough questions are welcome here.
DeleteBe prepared though for some tough answers.
=)
DeleteThanks, all. I just want answers for Ayla...I'm not looking for a circle hug, just some validation. I'm tipping my toes in here...Ayla is the objective, correct?
DeleteWelcome mckeekitty. Yes, it is all about finding Ayla.
DeleteWelcome Kitty
DeleteDon't worry, no hugging here. I do see some validation for you though.
DeleteIt always has been, and it will remain to be...
DeleteWelcome, MckeeKitty! I think you'll find that most of the people here have an open mind and are very interested in finding out what exactly happened to Ayla and where she is.
DeleteThe enemy of my enemy is my friend?
DeleteSMH
All is fair in love and war.
Deletemckeee!! I was hoping you'd come over! welcome : )
Deleteyup. i'm glad you are here.
DeleteI too am frustrated with the other blog lately...I post a little here and a little there usually. The crew over there is becoming quite blinded and need to step away from the koolaid. While they bring up some interesting theories, it doesnt go over well with me the little secret group within the group. I have no personal problem with John P for example, but who is he to be put on a confidential email from Jeff? He is a guy from Virginia, same place as me and no where near Maine. It is a clique over there amd if you kiss ass long enough, you get moderator priveledges and supposed "behind the scenes info". I am starting to get suspicious only because the more you speak highly of Trista, the more important you are there. I got called irresponsible for saying Justin was not considered a suspect. LE has not stated he was so technically he is not, regardless of what I think he did. And some of their info is passed on as if it is fact and I have a really hard time with the credibility over there. I believe in getting the whole story, not just what they want me to see and hear. Anything that even remotely presents with Justin not being guilty (though IMO he is somehow responsible, I just like to keep an open mind) and you are quickly put in your place. I would also love to come here and share thoughts but I am putting it out there that I am not a Justin supporter. I don't care if I am agreeed with but I don't deserve nasty comments or disrespect. I often disagree with Selena's comments. I also don't believe personal attacks on commenters is necessary to get a point across and I am willing to speak my mind and defend myself if I feel something isnt right. McKee for example...wow they really attacked her for her opinion and I love that she asks questions...they are often ones I myself am thinking! They have a prob with her direct (not rude) comments and have started working over the other posters, feeding them the koolaid, and several of them have now jumped on board in accusing McKee of being a "troublemaker" of some sort. Just today, I saw someone who commented and it wasnt with the masses so they were rudely dismissed and called "Courtney". You can't have any opinion that differs too much from the rest of the group or you are quickly put in your place.
Delete@ Anon 23.7.12
DeleteWelcome.
good to see you posting here anon (confused?)
Deleteanon 23.7.12; I agree w/you whole heartidly. I haven't posted over at U4A in a long, long time, because I've been attacked there and I've posted here a few times and have been attacked for keeping an "open mind" and I often disagree w/Selena's comments as well. If we reply to a comment by Selena, she attacks you and says a bunch of crap when all you were trying to do is be kind and keep an open mind w/both parents. Someone on here said "not everything is black and white"...well, I have to agree with that. #1 Selena does not know what happened because she stated before that they do not speak about it when she is with her family, however, it's good to here stories about them and definately paints a different picture for me, that they are just a normal american family who has had their share of growing pains. In fact, Pheobe reminds me of my own mother. #2 I'm inclined to believe that Justin did not do it and it is a HUGE possibility that Ayla truly was taken by a stranger. #3 Trista may have a problem w/alcohol and so forth, but it does not mean she does not love her children or neglected them, yes, she probably did interact with them while she was drinking and took care of them...a lot of people are what they call functioning alcholics, not saying it is right, but it is what it is....I know this from personal experience because my mother is an alcoholic and I grew up having to deal with it. Yes, it was hard...however, I know that my mother loves me dearly, I never went without and I was never ever neglected. As I grew older, I came to realize that my mothers alcoholism was her own personal struggles and like Obscure said, self medication keeps you numb. So I take offense when people accuse Trista of being "bad and evil" when she clearly has her own struggles she is dealing with and add Ayla missing on top of it, which I'm sure she blames herself more than she blames Justin. If she is abusing again, I would think that it would be expected. My opinion with the pulled leg muscle, I don't think Justin did it...here are my reasons why....#1, I think the pulled leg muscle was done while changing Ayla's diaper...I know this from personal experience with my son. #2, children always give the parents or the person closest to them a very hard time with that or anything else, like giving them a bath, dressing them...etc....when my son started giving me MAJOR problems w/changing his diaper, I had asked his daycare giver if he was giving her problems...and she said no, no...he does good and is a perfect boy...it's always mommy or daddy they give the hardest time (or whomever they are closest to that they feel they can be themselves). My son will twist and turn when I'm trying to change his diaper and if it's a poopy one, look out! But I'm very concious about it and do not try to twist him back using his legs. I just flip his whole body back over. Now I'm not saying Trista did it, frankly I do not know who did it or what really happened, perhaps it did happen when she was trying to change her diaper or someone else in the home did. But this hurt leg thing definately sounds like it happened during diaper changing time.
DeleteGood to see you over here, anon! I think you know who I am. :)
DeleteI just couldn't take it over there any more, either.
anon ("I haven't posted over at U4A in a long, long time...")
DeleteI haven't seen anyone (that I recall) being attacked for having an open mind or for simply disagreeing with Selena. There's over 5 months of blogs and comments still here that anyone can view if they choose.
Yes Space Between, I am Confused. Both the person Confused and well...confused lol. I have never been attacked by Selena but I dont always agree with what she posts. But its nothing personal, there are plenty of others who post things I dont agree with. She has a right to be biased since her family is involved...I just know she wont always be open to thinking there is possible involvement of her family. Who would? As for the other blog I hate the blog war crap. But, I have a huge problem with being called irresponsible and its nagged it me since it happened over there. Irresponsible would be me passing theory off as fact. Fact is LE never named any suspects and has not ruled anyone out. I stated the truth, it just wasnt what they liked to hear. The same pepole over there saying they wish there wasnt any drama, are the ones actually causing it and its frustrating as hell.
DeleteConfused - understood. I have a hard time with speculation of murder being passed off as fact. That photoshopped pic of Justin and Derek in a basement is deplorable.
DeleteI have not seen that Selena requires people to agree with her.
Confused...I've decided to post here as anonymous, but you know me. I cannot tolerate what has been going on over there, especially just these past couple of hours!
DeleteSomething is up with the "Steve" dude. He bursts on the scene just a few days ago, and today calls a fellow poster "an alcoholic wackjob"????? I also liked "Steve's" assertion that he's been reading Tori's site since December. I don't think he liked it when I pointed out that J4A didn't hit the web until February 8. Not a peep from him since.
I do think things are falling apart over there. Tori has essentially abandoned the site. Too many of the tough questions are just dismissed as frivolous. When the questions get REALLY uncomfortable, I'm told that it is time to "let it go and move along for AYLA'S sake." That's what really pisses me off.
I'll stop bitching about U44A. I just want to get some answers for Ayla.
Anon - and JohnP is left holding the bag. Where are JMH, Jen/Sarah, Megan, wordman, or any of the others that were supposed to be helping? John can't possibly keep up with all that on his own. Yesterday I saw where he told someone "I'll be talking to Tori about my shortcomings later." I'm not a fan of JohnP, but I don't think it's right. I imagine him trying to recover from his heart attack, now back at his job, sending money to people over there, and then being left with all the shit to deal with.
DeleteWelcome all newcomers. We welcome your input. Many people think that some people not naming names are not open minded. That they are simply pro Justin or perhaps pro Trista. What I tell people is that I support Justice. And by that I mean justice in that Ayla will be looked for the way any missing child in America deserves to be looked for. And Trista and Justin will be treated the way parents deserve to be treated. Innocent unless proven guilty. By a court of law.
DeleteThat is a "Really?" good question. Come to think of it, all the other admins appear to have jumped ship. Thoughts4Ayla and Megan haven't even posted since the shit hit the fan about those two "teaser" text messages from Justin.
DeleteAs for John P, I think he relishes his position ruling over his U4A kingdom. Personally, I think he's a kind man that clearly wants justice for Ayla, but I fear he's a touch naive.
BTW...a big part of my reason for dipping my toes over here is that you guys kept hijacking my posts. I figured I might as well just contribute directly.
But yeah...there does seem to have been an exodus away from U4A.
"a touch naive" is a generous statement
DeleteI don't think everyone here hijacked your posts, one or two people maybe. Still, glad that was an impetus for you to contribute directly. :)
Well...back to Ayla.
DeleteWhy won't LE confirm the all-important blood detail? So much speculation is hinged on this question. Why won't LE confirm or deny making the "more than a cupful" leak to Jeff/Trista? Did Jeff not get the name or badge number of the MSP that uttered the remark?
And for Jeff to recklessly run with this unconfirmed remark in an email to a select few prior to the press conference is beyond comprehension.
I was, of course, told to "move along" when I raised Cain about the matter. My questions weren't in keeping with the U4A mission...you know, the "we don't talk about issues that could possibly cast Jeff, Tori, and/or Trista under a cloud of suspicion."
Anyway, I agree with Confused. And I'm sorry, Selena...I still think your family and/or member had a major role in this. But I like to think I play fair, and I don't see the need to pass off unconfirmed reports as "fact".
I would like to welcome everybody that has come here! You have questions, as we do. Most of us do believe Justin is innocent, so please respect that. We like to see civil discussions, but once in a while someone sneaks in. Just ignore them!
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I think we all wonder that, anon. It is perhaps a tactic LE is using. Someone once suggested that preliminary testing done at the scene on the blood could have had similar markers to Ayla's but these things had to be tested further, then some of it came back as being Trista's. Perhaps they were considering the blood that was Trista's was actually Ayla's during the first few months of the investigation.
DeleteAs for "over there" - I think it's been shown that they all lie; however, I think that *sometimes* Trista misunderstands and therefore misstates things.
"Most of us do believe Justin is innocent, so please respect that."
DeleteI'm sorry, I thought I was welcome to ask questions on behalf of AYLA. I was pretty much dismissed over at U4A for raising questions about Trista, but just as I feared, the same obvioulsly goes on here. How can I ask objective questions if the blog has a pro-Justin disclaimer?
Sorry gang. I'm not pro-Trista or pro-Justin. I just want some fucking answers for this kid. Sorry I wasted your time...and my own.
"How can I ask objective questions if the blog has a pro-Justin disclaimer?
DeleteSorry gang. I'm not pro-Trista or pro-Justin. I just want some fucking answers for this kid. Sorry I wasted your time...and my own."
McKee, I think everyone wants answers. You won't be dismissed here becasue you raise questions about Justin. If someone can answer your questions, they will. Will the answer be objective..there are many here who try to be objective. Also, isn't it for the individual person to consider if it is objective or not?
I'm also looking for answers. I am not pro-Justin or pro-Trista. I am pro-truth. If you have questions, ask them. I'm definitely interested.
Deletemore questions - same here
Deletethere is almost NO objectivity elsewhere
@Anon, who stated, ""Most of us do believe Justin is innocent, so please respect that."..."
DeleteYou need to reread my comment! You're welcome to ask questions. There is no pro-Justin disclaimer. I, for one, have seen the derogatory remarks about Justin and his family, girlfriend, and friends, on the site you came from. They are nothing but nasty, vile remarks, and have no facts to back them up.
Don't state words that I never said! Reread my comment and if you can't comprehend what I said on your second read, maybe you are wasting your time.
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lol Grace you dont have any friends....they're all enemies! Stand in a corner, that way they cant stab you in the back....But not that corner! That corners mine!
ReplyDeleteI like that saying Selena :) very witty. Never heard it before. The new post just put up by Obscure is interesting. I remember Trista was pissed about Bob Vear. It's common sense that both parents would be disgusted by him.
DeleteSuz- to not only go against the posters there but also the MOTHER of the child they proclaim to 'care' about. Its beyond disgusting and disrespectful!
DeleteThere does seem to be meltdown in progress at U4A. I feel sorry for John as I feel he is being used. There was a time when I considered info coming out of U4A as fairly reliable, but all the behind the scenes machinations have made me reconsider.
ReplyDeleteI agree that it seems John is being used, hard to tell if he knows or cares about that though. He seems to have way too much going on in his own life to be so deeply involved with Tori's (?) blog. Hopefully his health won't suffer because of it. He probably can't be reasoned with though, he's in it for the long haul and would question if someone had ulterior motives for suggesting he take a break. :/
DeleteWOW, there are a "lot" of new posters here (the last few blogs). They are coming out of the woodwork!!! Are they trying to scare off those that came with good intentions. Those that are questioning what happened to Ayla. Don't let them run you off, they are not typical of this site.Ayla needs people to look at the facts and find her!!!!
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Be wary of the new "converts". They could actually be spies, coming over here as Trojan Horses looking to make friends and get inside information.
ReplyDeleteThe only inside information they will get are truths.
DeleteMaybe new people aren't necessarily "converts", maybe they are just questioning what they have been told and want to see what is on the other side of the coin. If the point is to get truth out there, isn't it natural that eventually people will see it and perhaps question what they have been told? And as for getting inside information, how does one do that by posting and asking question out in the open, on a public forum? I've been reading a lot of things at many different places, isn't that the point of blogs and pages? To put information out so that people can find what is true? Or is the point to gather a group of people that all believe the same thing and pat each other on the back in agreement? Everyone can think anything they want about the people surrounding this case, and whatever motives they believe are out there. Personally, I just wonder what really happened to Ayla. And if reading everywhere and taking it all in leads to the truth, than that's what I will do. I'm sure many others are feeling the same way. Welcome their questions, if they are asking it means they are trying to also find the truth. Turn them away and you are no better than those you complain about. Truth is in the actions, not in the telling. Give people the benefit of the doubt, doesn't mean you have to become BFFs.
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