1
“She is so friendly, loveable, smart,” he said. “I don’t know where she
is. I don’t [know] if she’s in a car, if she’s in a gutter somewhere.... I
want my granddaughter found. I want here home safe.”
Of ALL places, why would he say he doesn't know if Ayla is in a car. Perhaps she was in a car...specifically, one belonging to Robert Fortier. Just thinking aloud.
At about 10 a.m., Robert Fortier was nearing Ellsworth during a four-hour drive to see his son, Raymond Fortier -- an inmate at the Downeast Correctional Facility in Machiasport -- when his phone rang, he recalled.
ReplyDeleteFortier answered the call and Reynolds told him Ayla was missing.
Beside him, Ayla's mother, Trista Reynolds, was asleep in the passenger seat on the long drive to see her then-fiancé. RONNIE REYNOLDS TOLD FORTIER TO KEEP DRIVING TO MACHIASPORT UNTIL THERE WAS MORE INFORMATION. By the time they reached Ellsworth, Reynolds called again to say that a detective from Waterville wanted to speak to Trista Reynolds in person.
Fortier pulled into a Dunkin' Donuts parking lot, woke Trista Reynolds up and handed her the phone.
Groggy from sleep, she couldn't understand what her father was saying.
"He was in a panic and crying," she recalled. "I said, 'What's wrong? Talk to me.' But he couldn't get out the words."
______________________________
Why in the world would Ronnie instruct Fortier to keep driving further away from Waterville?
A few other interesting things from that article.
DeleteThe first LE officier to talk to Reynolds Sr. was someone he knew.
He was contacted at about 9:30, but didn't call Trista until 10.
Ronnie was able to talk to Fortier and tell him that Ayla was missing, and not to wake Trista. However, he couldn't talk to Trista?
I'm sure there were other thngs, but I have to go back and read the article.
Strange stuff. Ron Sr. learns that Ayla is missing, falls to the floor crying, makes the call to Robert Fortier, and then what...tells him not to bother to wake Trista? Just let Trista sleep and keep on driving?
DeleteAnd then we never hear from Fortier or anyone in the Fortier family again. Even though when Ayla was born Ray was raising Ayla as his own. He was the one who named her. Ray and his mother burned down the apartment building of his ex girlfriend out of revenge(anger). But Ayla goes missing and not a peep no sign of any anger from any Fortier.
DeleteSpeaking of Raymond Fortier...I wonder why he was being held by the Cumberland County Sheriff's Office on 6/6/12, 8/2/12, and again on 12/4/12. In June and December, he was being held on order from a judge, and in August he was being held for another agency.
DeleteHmm, wasn't someone else speaking with MSP around that time? 6/6 sure does ring a bell....I simply must get through all those emails....
DeleteI thought he was in prison ?
DeleteHe is, Bonnie, but he was being held by Cumberland County Sherrif's Office on those dates. I don't know why he was, but I am curious about it.
DeleteThanks for the info more questions.
DeleteThat is very interesting.
Grace,
Early June...sure was a lot going on concerning the blogs for Ayla.
I always found it curious right after that Tori & Jeff united and then disappeared.
http://www.journaltribune.com/articles/2010/08/27/news/doc4c77cdc10dbbb258608467.txt
DeleteI have searched high and low for information on Janice Fortier's trial date. It has been four years since the apartment complex arson. According to this article, Janice Fortier was also charged with the arson of The Mill Street Market the previous summer. Does anyone know the status/disposition of Janice's case? Is she in jail? Out on bail? Found not guilty?
I'm also curious why Ronald called Robert Fortier and not Trista the morning of the 17th. Did Trista not have a cell phone that day? Did she give her dad Robert's number in the event of "an emergency?"
According to The Downeast Correctional Facility website, visitations must be scheduled in advance. Has it been confirmed that Robert and Trista had a visitation scheduled? Was little Ray also on the visitation list?
Here's Tori's account of events. From J4A on April 16, 2012:
Delete"Trista was on her way to Machiasport with Robert, who is the father of Ray Sr. and grandfather of Ray Jr., he was bringing her to visit Ray. Trista was tired and Robert let her sleep on the long drive to Machiasport. Finally after Trista's phone kept ringing and Robert thought that it might be an emergency, he woke Trista up. It was a phone call from Ronnie Sr. that alerted Trista to Ayla's disappearance. Ronnie Sr. was too distraught to relay the awful news and passed the phone to Frankie to give Trista the phone number of the Waterville PD. It is certainly believable that Trista was tired and getting any chance she could to sleep. That isn't an uncommon thing for mothers of young children to do. It also isn't strange to think that Trista was able to get a ride to Machiasport with Ray's father to visit him."
________________________
But according to the Kennebec Journal, it was ROBERT'S phone that was ringing. Robert took Ronnie's call, and Ronnie told Robert to continue heading to Machiasport...no need to disturb Trista from her slumber...
I've pointed this out so many times....
DeleteIt wasn't my intention to step on your toes, Grace. I'm sorry.
Delete"Freudian Slips" inspired me to review some of the material I previously missed. Again, my apologies if I clogged this blog with repeated dribble.
I'm glad to see you are thinking McKeeKitty.
DeleteHow about posting where you found the comment so we can look at it as a whole????? Your blog sucks and is very boring. . . always the same.
ReplyDeleteCLICK ON THE PINK NUMBER ONE. THAT IS A LINK.
DeleteYou're welcome.
http://www.kjonline.com/news/closer-look-at-cases-earliest-moments_2012-12-17.html
DeleteOh....but this caught my attention. I like this quote from Trista when she was first interviewed by waterville police and her and Elisha ran into eachother in the hall....
Delete"I said, 'Where is she, Elisha?' and Elisha said, 'Where is she, Trista?'"
Elisha's first thought was kidnapp by Trista?
Does anyone have any links for a timeline on what Trista was doing before she left to visit her other baby daddy? I have never seen any.
DeleteAnnon, I don't agree with you. I think elishas comment was just a nassty and evasive retort. Trista asked first where Ayla was. JMO
DeleteAnon 3:18
DeleteYour asking for more of a timeline than already provided by Trista? How about asking for a timeline of any kind from the paternal family? Real smooth, NOT.
I will give you a timeline of before she left, Dec 15 2011, Trista files for PR&R! Do you need more? I think this is all that needs to be said. Why "kidnap" Ayla before seeing if the PR&R goes through. Use some common sense as Selena likes to say.
You have no answer huh?
DeleteThis is off topic again, sorry. This is something that has been bothering me for awhile.
ReplyDeleteJohn P. Says:
"With all this, he lied from day one because we know for a fact the blood was cleaned up and in 59 days, this is not something that is forgotten. So who cleaned up the blood?"
................
Where do you get this FACT?? When did LE, or S. McCausland EVER state that there was evidence of cleaned up blood?
The fact is, it is not a known fact.
Bothering you for a while? He just posted it. How could it have been bothering you for a while. I think you should read his reply to you about the clean-up being a fact. He makes alot of sense, unlike this comment.
DeleteFirst of all the only facts LE has confirmed about blood is that an amount was found and some of it was Ayla's. They confirm that an amount of blood found in the home was concerning and more than from a small cut. Note that was a separate statement made at a later date. The concerning amount of blood and more than from a small cut was not/has not been confirmed to be Ayla's. Only thing confirmed is an amount of Ayla's was found early on. That LE didn't say or confirm.
DeleteIf LE did their job correctly. And I suspect they did. They would have lifted many stains, samples of food, urine, vomit, misc, and blood from since the time the house was built even.
By the way I would hope over the years all of that had been cleaned up. Or yuk.
Joining,
DeleteThis is not the first time John and others have made comments about Ayla's blood being cleaned up.
I should have added this with my comment.
ReplyDeleteMcCausland on Nancy Disgrace:
Mr. McCausland, why do you, if you do believe, the blood indicates there was a clean-up?
MCCAUSLAND: I`ve never said that, Nancy. You`re the one that`s saying that. All we`ve confirmed is that there was blood found in the basement and that blood is Ayla`s.
The cleanup was info came from an unnamed police investigator speaking to a Boston reporter and published last winter.
DeleteOhhh, do you mean the one that McCausland classified as
Delete“unattributed, irresponsible and inaccurate"?
All we`ve confirmed is that there was blood found in the basement and that blood is Ayla`s.
DeleteBut how was it found? With LUMINOL. I saw a dozen articles where Justin denied seeing the pictures and then McCausland confirmed that Justin was shown the pictures. So why if it was not cleaned up did they find it with luminol. If it asn't cleaned up wouldn't they have seen it when they looked at it?
Is that the same boston reporter who said Police believe Ayla was dead that McCausland vehemently denied?
DeleteI didn't see articles where Justin denied seeing a picture. Can you provide the links?
DeleteI will try to find the link for you. It was also stated that Justin ran out of police station when he saw the pictures.
DeleteReally? Don't you think you are just grasping at straws a little here?
ReplyDeleteOT:
ReplyDelete"In July, 2010, Justin DiPietro was asked to take a paternity test. When the test confirmed he was the father, DiPietro was asked by Reynolds to sign away his parental rights.
"He resisted."
http://www.kjonline.com/news/aylas-2nd-birthdayspurs-many-memories_2012-03-31.html
________________________
I'm thoroughly confused. I thought Justin was pressuring Trista to terminate the pregnancy. If I recall correctly, Trista lied and told Justin that Ayla wasn't his to get him off her back.
I was under the impression that Trista wanted to establish paternity so she could pursue child support from Justin.
It sounds like Trista was prepared to raise Ayla on her own and didn't want Justin in Ayla's life. So why was Justin subjected to a paternity test in the first place? Sounds cold, cruel, and calculating to me...
And Trista calls Justin "very controlling"?
Wow McKee, good point! Perhaps it was Ray who wanted the testing done? When he found out Ayla wasn't his, perhaps he was putting pressure on Trista to "get rid" of Ayla, which is why she started, in my opinion, practically forcing Justin to take Ayla. And isn't it funny that lil Ray looks alot like Ayla, who was the spitting image of Justin? Ray Fortier looks a bit native american to me. I wonder if a paternity test was done on him as well?
DeleteThere were at least two paternity tests done on two different people to determine paternity of Ayla.
DeleteGrace and McKee it is interesting to me that so long into this this is the first that anyone has really brought up Ray. Something to be considered. There are many stories and photos that depict him as having loved Ayla as his own. I find it hard to imagine that he was just fine with Justin taking over. The question is what could he or his family have done about it if he were already in jail?
DeleteMckee
DeleteMy understanding is when Ray was arrested Trista applied for state services, TANF, foodstamps. The state of Maine requires a paternity test for any named father when you are not married so they can recoup some of their costs in supplying those services. I believe it was DHHS that asked for the paternity test since she named him Ayla's father
McKee - "I was under the impression that Trista wanted to establish paternity so she could pursue child support from Justin.
DeleteIt sounds like Trista was prepared to raise Ayla on her own and didn't want Justin in Ayla's life. So why was Justin subjected to a paternity test in the first place? Sounds cold, cruel, and calculating to me..."
Trista may have wanted to raise Ayla alone, she may not have wanted Justin in Ayla's life. Or she may have wanted to use Ayla to stay connected to Justin once Ray Jr went bye bye. Who knows, her language has been ambiguous on the subject. But I myself don't believe that it was Trista who asked for the paternity test. I believe that when she applied for state aid, when asked who the father was and if he was paying child support, she either said it was Ray Jr and he disavowed that or she said it could be either/or forcing the paternity test issue. The state will ask for a test to be done to clarify who the father is and then the state (not the mother) goes after the father for child support if the mother is on any kind of state aid. At least that's how it works in CT and I imagine it's probably the same in most states.
The state of Maine could have requested a paternity test because Trista applied for government benefits. It could very well have been asked on the DHHS application.
Delete"Or she may have wanted to use Ayla to stay connected to Justin once Ray Jr went bye bye."
Delete________________________
For the sake of clarication, "Ray Jr" is 20 months old. Ray's grandfather is ROBERT FORTIER. Little Ray's father is "Raymond Fortier." How did Ray Jr. go "bye bye"?
I don't know about Maine, but where I have lived, DHS does not require a paternity test unless the named father contests paternity, meaning, if a single mom applies, and names a father, he is contacted. Normally, if his name is on the BC, they dont contest, but sometimes they do.
DeleteIf Trista put Ray down as Ayla's father on her BC, and he did not contest paternity, there would be no reason for a paternity test. Unless, as stated above, it is routine to do testing (and I would think not, especially in Maine who is overburdened financially) in cases where the parents aren't married.
Going on this premise, if Trista named Ray the father, and the test proved otherwise, she would then need to either name or father or state father unknown. No one forced Trista to give out Justin's name. You can get assistance without it.
So I suspect that Ray insisted on a paternity test because Ayla bore a striking resemblance to someone he knew....and it wasn't the man in the mirror.
I don't know who's name is on Aylas birth certificate but if justins name is on it the state would take that as the truth and justin would then have to be the one requesting the paternity test.
DeleteIt doesn't matter at this point because he has had a paternity test and been established as Ayla's father.
DeleteIn Maine, in order for a father (who is not married to the mother) to be on the birth certificate, he must sign the papers at the hospital, or otherwise acknowledge paternity via a signed,notarized, "AOP" (acknowledgement of paternity) after the fact.
Delete(link below) http://www.maine.gov/dhhs/ofi/dser/paternity/aop.html#formsignedcost
http://www.maine.gov/dhhs/ofi/dser/paternity/birthcertificate.html
If the bio father doesn't sign it, and the mother isn't married, then the father spot is left blank (it does not say "unknown").
If the mother applies for TANF, she must name a father, and if paternity was not established by voluntary signing of the AOP, then genetic testing is required.
http://www.maine.gov/dhhs/ofi/dser/paternity/faq.html
I tend to think Grace has this one figured out. Nothing to base that on, except my personal opinion. Could be wrong, could be right. 50/50.
DeleteThere are plenty of women who DON'T KNOW who fathered their child.
Fan of Truth and Common Sense, you are absolutely correct regarding the rules and regulations in the state of Maine. The same process applies in at least five other states that I personally am aware of. Thank you so much for clarifying the obvious.
DeleteObscure, if this is not okay, just do not post it.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure it is wise to respond to any of John's comments directed towards me,...but,
well, I haven't always made the wisest decisions.
First, I did not call you or anyone else a liar. It is not a term I use,..unlike you.
For the most part, when I make a comment it is my opinion. There are times when I state a FACT, or correct somethng that someone says is a fact, that is in fact, NOT A KNOWN FACT.
Second, I do not need, want, and have never ask you, or anyone else, to do research for me. I'm perfectly capable of doing my own, thank you. Most times I do just that before I state something as a FACT.
Third, I already addressed in the previous thread my view and understanding of the news article that you, or MM, whoever, felt that I missed. I did not miss that article.
I have a different understanding of what McCausland clarified. No, my view on that hasn't changed.
Am I right, or are you?? Isn't that up to each one to decide for themselves??
Fourth, it is not a KNOWN fact that there is evidence of Ayla's blood being cleaned up in the DiPietro home. (that's why I included what McCausland had to say about it)
I will concede that I should have said in my comment above, *evidence of Ayla's blood* However, I would have thought that everyone knew that's what you & I were referring to.
I am aware that Luminol was used in the DiPietro home. I am aware that Justin was shown photo's from the blue glow left from the luminol. What I do not know, and don't believe you know, is *if any of that blue glow was speciffically from Ayla's blood*
Luminol responds to human blood, animal blood, urine, rust, bleach, and other chemicals. We're talking about a basement where any and all of those things could have easily been present. Further testing has to be done to determine what caused the glow. If it was from human blood, then DNA testing is done to determine whose blood it was.
Was all that testing completed before the luminol photo's were shown to Justin?
IMO, whether it was or not, I'm sure that MSP, *at that time*, told Justin they knew it was Ayla's blood, so he might as well confess and get it over with.
If that was the case, I understand why he left the police station.
One other thing, I *believe* Heidi saw 4 circled pin point spots of blood that was Ayla's.
No, MSP has not confirmed that, so it is not a confirmed fact. I've never stated it as a fact. Personally I don't understand why anyone makes a big deal out of it.
Sorry so long. I'm usually not so long winded.
I won't be addressing any further comments to me, unless they come from this blog.
While I have followed this case closely from the beginning, watched all the nonsense and remain shocked at the cast involved, I cannot believe the haughty, condescending garbage being spewed by john p and friends. What a rightous bunch of asshats.
ReplyDeleteI can't believe that I just read a post by john p, while dumping on Angela, in the very next sentence, asks for the information she may have.
I have never understood his level of involvement and one has to think he is more than one person. At least two different writing styles.
Regardless...while I comment rarely, I had to comment on this. Guy is a douche. Plain and simpe...and he hides behind the skirts on his own page...and sorry, he is super creepy. What skin does he have in this?
"What skin does he have in this?"
DeleteI would like to know that, too.
Something stinks.
I felt I needed to add more to my comment. What skin does he have in this? It is odd that someone who lives so far away and has no personal connection would become so overly involved.
DeleteWhile I certainly can understand a person becoming involved in missing children as a whole, volunteering with organizations, donating time, money, etc...why such level of involvement from john p in this particular case? And obviously at a huge personal expense.
I, too have been moved by Ayla's kidnapping. But due to my family, work, and local commitments, would not have so many hours to give. How does he?
And before someone asks, how is john p any different than obscure...the answer to that is obvious.
anon I got what you were saying and have the same thoughts as you.
DeleteJohn P confuses speculating all day online to mean that he is an AUTHORITY on the subject when, in fact, he couldn't possibly know more than anyone else not directly involved with the case. Or does he know something we don't?
"and one has to think he is more than one person. At least two different writing styles."
ReplyDeleteMany people are aware.