Here's her comment:
mountain mama says:
I have a question for TLLOM. When some of us requested flyers to replace flyers that were worn, torn or removed, you refused us. I have friends and family close to one of your supposed “make shift headquarters” and to my knowledge none of them have seen your awareness flyers for Ayla. I haven’t seen what one of your flyers look like or what information is on them.
I have followed many missing person cases and one of the things I’ve noticed is if the missing person had any recent injuries, scars, tatoos etc. they were mentioned on the flyer in order to help anyone who may see them to recognize or identify them as the missing person.
You have told us that Ayla had a small cut on her foot/ankle/heel that would’ve happened within 60 days before she came up missing. My question is..do your flyers tell whether this was on her right or left foot, on the inside or outside of her ankle or heel or on the top or bottom of her foot?
I would think if you really believe Ayla is alive and you really want her to be found and brought home, you would include this information on your flyers, but I still haven’t seen them so I don’t know if it’s on there or not.
This is a two part question..if this information isn’t on there, why not?
1. You all are able to make your own flyers, and there are plenty of updated ones you can simply print online. Didn't U4A coordinate the whole hunting season flyer thing? Why is TLLOM responsible for filling YOUR requests. Like any other group, I'm sure their funds/resources are limited. There is also PLENTY of evidence that TLLOM put together awareness packets. Just because YOU haven't seen them, the world will stop? What do you gain by doubting people who are trying to bring her home? PETTY.
2. Why the hell would the missing person flyer include a small cut on her foot? She went missing in the middle of winter. The flyer is intended to give enough information so that a regular person would notice her, wherever they may see her. That's why her arm being in a sling was mentioned. You would NOTICE that. You would not notice a small cut on a child's foot if you saw her somewhere in public. She would most likely have shoes and socks on. So as far as pertinent information, a small cut on the inside/outside/upside/downside of her foot wouldn't make the cut. DUH.
Did you ever question why Trista used a picture of Ayla in sunglasses for her earliest awareness items? Why OBSCURE the child's face if you want the public to find her? Pull down your SKIRT, your bias is showing.
Of all the hard work that Mountain Mama does for Ayla I think you are the one being petty.
ReplyDeletepics, or it didn't happen.
Delete?
You want pics? Of what, Tattered posters?
DeleteI agree with your assessment Oneannon. This is very petty. It looks like noonecan do anything positive for Ayla without being called names and disrespected by Obscure.
DeleteI agree, Oneannon--everything 'Mountain Mama' does on the U4A blog is for Ayla Bell.
DeleteI think that if Mountain Mama's "friends and family" told her they requested flyers and were refused she might want to look into finding some new ones. Because those ones are lying to her. Then again you know what they say the leaf does not fall very far from the tree. And just where do they believe this "makeshift head quarters" is anyways? TLLOM does not have a head quarters. It does not run that way.
DeleteNone of you addressed the utter ridiculousness of her request to have the missing flyer include a small cut on a child's foot.
DeleteDoes anyone care to speak to that, or is it easier to go back and forth with me?
Checkmate.
Anon 8:44 AM, So you are telling me that when Angela said this on 27 Aug she was lying too?
DeleteShowing some of our many billboards- showing our makeshift headquarters in Maine, Ohio and DC, and the mini awareness events we were each hosting. That’s all he asked and no one will take him up on it. How do I know that? Because I’ve contacted them myself begging for them to cover it and offering to put them directly in contact with Justin and then step completely out of it at that point.
And if you read the whole post over there, you will see it was not her family and friends asking for the flyers, it was her and JohnP asking for them. Her friends and family are the ones who have not seen any. Just clarifying your uninformed comment.
Obscure, there is no reason for us to go back and forth with you on this matter of the small cut. Mountain Mama apparently reads your comments like you read hers. Only she does not resort to the name calling and disrespect you did. Instead she responded to you with a reasonable reply to your question.
Deletemountain mama says:
For the same reason people mention a birthmark, mole or tattoo that would be hidden under the clothing of a person who goes missing in the winter. Doctors, nurses, day care workers and friends of the family who supposedly have Ayla could very possibly see Ayla without her shoes and socks. DUH back at you.
Mountain Mama points out the stupidity HERSELF.
DeleteWhat's the common theme between a birthmark, a mole, and a tattoo?
THEY ARE IDENTIFYING, PERMANENT MARKS.
When is the last time you saw "small cut on foot/arm/toe" on a missing children's poster. I'm gonna go with never. Because it's illogical. See, Mountain Mama questioned why the information was not included as though it was something negatively done by certain people. That's what I take issue with. She knows, just as well as you do, it wouldn't make sense to include a small cut on a child's foot.
She's was being a petty screw off, and I called her out for it. Big deal?
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John Pomerleau
Conversation started September 5, 2012
7:10pm
John Pomerleau
Sorry for messaging you if you preferred I did not. If not just let me know and I will stop. I was wonderng if you were serious about asking fo help spreading awareness for Ayla? I saw on one of the TLLOM pages that the posters costs money. One of our commenters said they saw no missing posters anywhere she went in Portland. Ican help with the costs of posters but I can not distribute out of state. If I were to purchase some postes would your group be willing to distribute in Portland and Westbrook. I saw posters around the Harley dealer in Westbrook but only around the Harley dealership. I felt sad that Aylaspicture was not posted at any of the gas stations or convenience stores I stopped at. If you prefer to do this on your own that is fine. all i can do is try. Unfortunately, I would not fel comfortable working with Angela after her comments earlier. let me know if you prefer I stop communications.
8:21pm
Heidi Tudela
John
We have people who have put up posters many places in Portland. But we would love for more to go up. There are never enough. We have volunteers who print their own but when they can not we print them for them and mail them to them. I can mail as many as needed. If you let me know who would like posters mailed to them I would love to mail as many as they would be willing to hang up. Thank you for letting me know this. Just message me their addresses and I will gladly mail them out. Thanks Heidi
9:07pm
John Pomerleau
I am sorry Heidi, I must have mistyped. I live in VA and I know of two others living in Ohio and Texas that were willing to pay for the posters. Being out of state we are unable to post them in Maine. We saw on a sight of TLLOM Ayla Bell where you needed donations for billboards and posters and such. We wanted to help getting posters put up in Portland and Westbrook. I stopped there for the Ride for Ayla and saw no posters in any stores or the gas station I stopped in and another commenter on the blog said the same. We both saw them right around the Harley dealer but nowhere else.
9:20pm
Heidi Tudela
John
We do have a page ready to go that will eventually be able to take donations and has a non functioning link if you click on it it will take you no where at this time maybe that is what you or your friend saw. Unfortunately at this time we do not take donations. We all donate our own time and all our products are mailed out at our cost. So all we can do is mail them out to you at no cost. So as I said I can print the posters and mail them to anyone who needs them or wants to mail them out for us or hang them. If you want to recruit people and send me addresses that would be great I will send posters to them. Thanks so much. Heidi
Anon parade
DeleteI believe "make shift head quarters" was a figure of speech. TLLOM is made up of many volunteers many concentrated in those states. When putting things together. Volunteers set up "makeshift head quarters" in whatever home is available all around those states. May not be fancy but it works. Lol
Heidi you are correct. I had to go abck and reread the comments by John. I will admit I was wrong. He did not say he could not get fliers from you he actually said he asked you to help distribute the ones he had but you said you already had it covered. Which is exactly what you have posted. I made the mistake and I stand politely corrected.
DeleteI guess Obscure does not know what polite means. Just so you know Obscure, it was my error above. The nice thing, I can admit it.
Heidi, you seem to be more reasonable to speak with than another person here. Can you please explain why it is so wrong that a certain Admin would demean and call names to people trying to promote awareness for Ayla in the form of a Mass that was held for her on the 17th in Waterville.
DeleteI understand you politely corrected my error, maybe you can explain to her how that error is so disturbing.
Annon 8:44 Mama says,
Delete"When some of us requested flyers to replace flyers that were worn, torn or removed, you refused us. I have friends and family close to one of your supposed “make shift headquarters” and to my knowledge none of them have seen your awareness flyers for Ayla."
She clearly says, "some of us" asked for flyers, and that , "firends and family" have not seen awareness flyers.
Did Heidi agree to send flyers to John or did she request personal addresses of those who would be doing the actual posting?
DeleteIn the message John is asking, if he were to purchase and provide posters will someone from TLLOM help to distribute in the Portland/Westbrook area. Heidi replys with asking for addresses to individual people to send flers to. Am I understanding this correctly?
DeleteMama says, "some of us" requested flyers to replace worn, torn, or removed flyers.
Is it assumed that John is included in the, "some of us"?
Cuts leave scars, scars are identifying marks.
DeleteFind me one flyer with small cut on foot or shut up. Small cuts can also heal with no scarring. Instead of being reasonable you continue with your bs
DeleteWhy couldn't the Reynolds family or friends hang flyers in Portland?!
DeleteJohn P. is brewing something stinky. Lol
Isn't it ironic to ask Heidi to explain that? You all have demeaned her and other TLLOM members and they were also raising awareness for Ayla!
DeleteThe fun run, the billboards, etc. all you folks do is demand evidence, criticize, and complain.
Maybe none of the other parents of missing children used a cut on the childs foot as an explanation for blood in the house so I doubt such a flyer exists. There is no proof that Aylas foot has a scar but in the event that it does it could be used as an identifyer. I don't understand why you are so opposed to have all identifyers listed.
DeleteIf anyone else knows of more then they should also get the word out as Mama has and hopefully they won't keep it to themselves in fear of being attached.
I'm willing to share my opinion.
DeleteI'm very skeptical that M.M. was sincere in her questions concerning TLLOM's fylers of Ayla.
She prefaces her question about the scrape, cut on Ayla's foot being on the flyer with NEGATIVE commentary about TLLOM.
IF I had a sincere question of someone, or group, I wouldn't start out by criticizing them.
She ends by insinuating that the information she is asking about is not included,...on a flyer she says she has never seen.
So, the way it reads, does not sound at all sincere to me.
MM admits knowing nothing about the cut or scrap to Ayla's foot, where it was, how bad or deep it was, so why does she assume it would leave a visable mark or scare?
Of all the questions she could ask about the flyers and awareness packets, that she has never seen, WHY this question?
IF someone reads the U4A blog very often, the answer is pretty clear. For those that don't, there is a common theme of demeaning TLLOM, or any member there of. Something I just don't understand, but then, ...well I think I'll stop there.
Isn't it ironic that you once again answer for Heidi? Why would I expect anything different? You know Obscure unless you were to apologize to Glenda and Pogemen and Anonymous on the previous post for calling them names for raising awareness of Ayla, I guess you and me have nothing to talk about. I have already taken responsibility for my error, I see you still haven't. You are a sick individual that creates hate with your comments and "I think" you owe them an apology. Block me if you want, but if you want to see the real shit stirrer, look in the friggin mirror. I am done with your rudeness and bias.
Delete@Anon Parade
DeleteEven though your question was addressed to me it really wasn't a question for me to answer. Nor my place to explain others behaviors. Which is why I did not.
There are people on both sides of this thing who deserve apologies.
DeleteI'm not one to hand them out, especially to those type of people. So, SORRY, that's not gonna happen.
And you still are a shit stirrer, but I don't block people. Just be a big boy or girl and don't read here if you can't handle it.
Thanks!
Huh. What type of people is that, Obscure?
DeleteYou wrote, 'I'm not one to hand them out, especially to those type of people. So, SORRY, that's not gonna happen.'
Your apology was big and loud enough (SORRY) to cover several types of people, not just one type.
I don't need your apology, I don't want your apology, and I wouldn't take your apology for anything. You and I are the same type; we use the tools we have available.
I miss her (Ayla), and I never met her 'in the flesh'.
Oh, I forget... no spirit stuff. I'd tell you why the small cut on the foot has significance, but that would require some of that old-fashioned spirit knowledge.
posted by pogamen 1/23/2013
MM. said;
ReplyDelete"I think we all would agree that If Ayla is being kept by a kidnapper that the kidnapper would be glued to the TV at any time Justin does an interview. They would watch for any indications that Justin or LE are closing in on them"
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I think that is fairly accurate. If my child was missing, this would be one good reason I'd be fearful of doing an interview.
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MM. continued:
"Ayla would hear her father’s voice and see her father’s face, just like she would hear her mother’s voice or see her mother’s face when Trista does an interview. We are being told that Ayla is alive and she will be found and brought home. Why wouldn’t Justin want Ayla, in the background to hear her father’s voice, hear him say Daddy loves you wherever you are?".....
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This immediately bothered me. I thought, NO, the last thing I would want would be for my child to see me or hear me. I'd be afraid it would cause her trama, or stress. That's the last thing I'd want to do to my child.
Since Ayla was 20 months when she may have been abducted, I think she would recognize her parents. (but not positive) I'm sure she must have dealt with separation anxiety and more when abducted. Would seeing and/or hearing her parents, and not understanding the situation, cause her trama yet again?
I'd be so afraid it would. I'm not sure I could take that chance.
I'd really like to hear what others think. It must be a very tough decision to make for those parents of missing children.
I disagree with you here. I think if a child was abducted it would be comforting to see/hear their parent on TV. If it was my child I would want them to see/hear me in any way possible.
DeleteReally TT? Even if what you were hearing was negative? If it were me I would not want my child to hear or see negative TV in the present or future.
DeleteI wouldn't want my child to see any of the interviews currently out there. Most of it bashes one parent, and hardly any of it is about Ayla.
DeleteThen again, I've never been in this situation. I would hope if my child were missing, and she happened to be some where watching TV, that it would be cartoons or something age appropriate.
I should say "directed to/appropriate for" Ayla, instead of "about" Ayla.
DeleteThe question asked by S: Would seeing and/or hearing her parents, and not understanding the situation, cause her trama yet again?
DeleteIn response to MM: "Ayla would hear her father’s voice and see her father’s face, just like she would hear her mother’s voice or see her mother’s face when Trista does an interview. We are being told that Ayla is alive and she will be found and brought home. Why wouldn’t Justin want Ayla, in the background to hear her father’s voice, hear him say Daddy loves you wherever you are?".....
My answer remains the same.
I told you I don't pick sides, I just answer from what I see as being true. In this case it's subjective, and I'm giving my opinion.
Obscure, I'm not sure a kidnapper, if there is one, is interested in "age appropriate" TV. Then again I have no idea.
But remembering back to being very little, and nervous, hearing/seeing a parent would be reassuring to me.
Again, my opinion. I'm not an expert.
As for MM, not defending her.
I'm thinking the kidnapper is someone who "cares" about Ayla, not a stranger, so that's where my comment comes from.
DeleteObscure, IF there is a kidnapper, and IF they are caring and not a stranger. I'm glad you prefaced it with "I'm thinking."
DeleteWhy do you think there is a caring kidnapper? Would like to hear your theory.
I have a lot of theories, but my thoughts on a kidnapper?
DeleteThey are holding/hiding Ayla at the request of a family member.
Thanks...
DeleteI still don't have a theory.
And I know that according to Pantyauntie my not having a theory makes me a wishy-washy Skirt. I don't care what he thinks.
DeleteAnyone that would go along with a family member and hide and hold Ayla is not someone I would consider caring, Ayla has been seaparated from her entire family and there are legal avenues to take rather than grabbing a child and hiding. Making that kind of decision shows someone who has no respect for the laws nor for Ayla and I would not consider that they have their head on straight. JMO
DeleteIF Ayla is alive, and IF she is being cared by another party at the request of a family member, I'm sure comforting communication would be available to her.
DeleteWe live in the age of Skype, web-cams, etc. Close communication can be achieved in today's world of advanced technology. Even a cassette tape or CD could help bridge the gap of seperation.
OT: As the days pass, I find it increasingly unusual that Trista hasn't said "boo" about her meeting with investigators. I mean, she had no problem expressing her anger and frustration to the press that the investigators had been blowing her off for months. Now that she got her meeting, her tongue won't wag.
DeleteI want to be cautious not to read too deeply between the lines here, but this is not characteristic of Trista. At all.
That's probably why I put caring in quotation marks.
DeleteMcKee, I appreciate you not reading between the lines. Someone trying to stay unbiased is a nice change. I agree it is uncharacteristic of Trista not to have said something by now but that is not what I find unusual. It is the 9 months of silence by Justin that I find unusual.
DeleteThanks all for your input.
DeleteMy question really doesn't have anything to do with Justin or Trista,...just the child.
Obscure
"I wouldn't want my child to see any of the interviews currently out there. Most of it bashes one parent, and hardly any of it is about Ayla."
I certainly agree with that.
https://www.facebook.com/paula.j.dunbar/posts/10200381300562860?comment_id=79466738#!/MissinginMaine
ReplyDeleteListed as identifying marks, 3 scratches below wrist. It appears these were recent and will heal with scars or without and they are still listed.
Foot.
Deletehttp://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?t=27090
Delete"currently has a cold with a cough and a small bug bite under her left ear."
FOOT.
DeleteIt doesn't matter if it's a foot. The point is that it is obviously not unheard of or unusual to list temporary, identifying marks on a missing person's flyer.
DeleteAyla was with Justin for 2 months. The cut or small scratch, whatever it was we don't really know, could have happened early on and left no mark at all.
DeleteWell, IF it is true that Ayla's blood found in the basement of the Di Pietro home was the result of a cut foot, and IF the amount of blood is indeed "more than a small cut would produce", I personally believe that such a cut would more likely than not produce an identifying mark or "scar" up to two months after the alleged injury occurred. Of course, this is just my own opinion.
DeleteFunny. I don't remember anyone verifying that the amount of AYLA'S blood found was "more than a small cut would produce."
DeleteThe point is that a small cut on her foot is not going to help immediately identify her. You're missing the point. Mountain Mama is outraged that the info wasn't included on the flyer, she's acting as though it's part of the conspiracy. It's stupid.
DeleteWell I personally don't believe that the blood that was "more than a small cut would produce" was Ayla's. That was never stated. Only that Ayla's blood was found not how much was hers.
DeleteMore like foot in mouth for you obscure. You are now grasping at straws and your arguments are like chicken shit in water = weak.
DeleteNot worth reading anymore.
LMAO Mountain Mama was the one grasping at straws.
Delete"How come they didn't include the scratch on her foot on a flyer that I've never seen?"
The whole thing was baseless, and used as another "ah-ha" that was really like wtf. Who thinks of this stuff? The asshats over yonder.
At the end of this debate, since she's so concerned about AYLA, can she honestly say that her bringing this up helped anything? NO. Or let me guess, Ayla hasn't been found because the people who could have found her didn't know to look for a small cut on her foot.
Thanks!
Funny. I distinctly recall writing: "IF the amount of blood is indeed 'more than a small cut would produce'...." The word "if" is often used as a conjunction to illustrate a conditional clause.
ReplyDeleteYou prefaced the rest of your statement on a conditional clause that has been floating out there for some time. You stand corrected, there is no IF, and you're welcome.
DeleteThe fact that the blood was explained by Selina as being a cut on Ayla's foot, I believe that this cut should be listed as an identifying mark considering a bug bite is. . . . this tells me that there was never a cut on Ayla's foot and the blood that was more than a small cut would produce was caused some other way. . . if they explained the blood away with a cut on the foot why wouldn't they list it as an identifying mark??
DeleteGood thing you're not in charge of anything but yourself.
DeleteYou're not good at the whole logic thing, are you?
Zing...Ouch...Sting...Burn...
DeleteYou fail at insulting me, but I appreciate it nonetheless.
"idiot when it comes to telling the truth"
What have I lied about, remind me. Oh, that's right. Nothing.
I know M M is all concerned about a small scar that may or may not exist wasn't included in the description, to me this is just another way of distracting people from the facts. Who is going to go up to someone if they think they spot Ayla and ask to see her foot? Dumbass is all I can say. It is my understanding that Trista helped put together the missing flyer that showed a picture of a blonde girl with dark glasses on hiding those bright blue eyes. Also Trista is working so closely with LostNMissing and their flyer says Ayla was last seen with a sling on her left arm, it says the same thing on the National Center For Missing An Exploited Children poster. Now go look at the doctors reports that the Reynolds released. It says on the ER records that a splint was put on but sling is not mentioned on any record and is not checked off on the ER record. Sling is never mentioned on any doctor report. I don't know about anyone else but hearing the description of a missing child in a soft cast and sling is much different than hearing about a missing child with a splint only on their arm. To me a small scar that may or may not exist on a foot being included on missing posters is far more less important than the sling detail.
ReplyDeleteI'm following...
DeleteMountain Mama didn't have a computer back then, so it doesn't matter either way.
Gone with the wind...
Looking...you bring up a good point re: photographs of Ayla.
DeleteWhen creating a Missing Person's flyer, you want the most recent pictures that accurately depict the person. There are many, many pictures of Ayla from her time at Violette Ave. Trista, too, has many wonderful pictures of Ayla, but they weren't as current.
Who takes pictures of a child that is not loved and wanted? Who takes pictures of a child that is deemed a burden? I've seen pictures of Ayla with Justin. I've seen pictures of Ayla with Courtney and Ayden. I've seen pictures of Ayla with Lance. I've seen pictures of Ayla with Phoebe and Gabbie. I've seen pictures of Ayla playing in the yard of Violette Ave. In a scant two month period, Ayla was quite the object of shutter-bugs.
Brings to mind Brianna Rodriguez. Granted, she was much younger than Ayla, but after being beaten and killed by her family members, the ONLY picture of her was her autopsy photo. Someone photoshopped out the bruises, and it is the only photographic memory of her.
DeleteSad stuff.
What is sad is that you put yourself out there as being here for Ayla. . . I have never, ever seen this in any of your blog entries. . . what I see is an ass that is trying to get publicity on line at the expense of a very, very sad situation. . . JUSTIN WHAT HAPPENED TO AYLA????
DeleteAGAIN, instead of responding to the fact that many photos of Ayla were taken by the DiPietros, who supposedly didn't want her, you have to say something about me.
DeletePathetic, isn't it?!
Looking,
DeleteYou raise a very good point. I've always wondered about the report of Ayla having a sling when she was reported missing.
Several questions about that. Going by the Orthopedic report of 11/21 alone, she was basically healed, and would only need the splint for another 10 days or so. As you say, no mention of any sling. It's very curious.
There has never been any type of correction of this by LE, family, or Org. helping with flyers. Is it an investigative detail, ..Maybe??
Photo's of Ayla with Justin and the DiPietro family:
Thank you Mckee for bringing that up. A picture is worth a thousand words. Clearly Ayla was wanted and loved by her paternal family.
I love the photo of Justin and Ayla on the sofa. The picture clealy depicts a loving father comforting his daughter. You don't comfort someone that you don't love, care about, or want. Ayla clearly is very acccepting of that comfort. The photo depicts a special moment and bond between the two.
And all I see in the photos taken by the Dipietros is a very sad little girl. . .
DeleteQuick! Get the camera! Ayla's lips are quivering, and she is about to cry. We need to capture the moment!
DeleteRight, anonymous?
You see what you want to see.
My favorite photo? Ayla at Violette Ave, cutting a few teeth, drool on her dress, sparkling blue eyes, and a smile that kills. Note: this is the widely circulated photo of Ayla...it is one of the most recent before her disappearance.
Another favorite? Ayla running in the yard of Violette Ave...clearly in a state of toddler euphoria.
But yeah...lets do it your way. Ayla is sad, frightened, and endangered. Always. At all times. Like S, I see a toddler embracing comfort from her father during and/or after an unhappy moment in that particular photo. The word "tender" comes to mind. Guess it should be "proof of abuse"...right?
A few of my favorites:
DeleteAyla in her lady bug costume ready for Halloween with daddy.
In her car seat hand stretched out big smile on her face on a visit with daddy.
At air show daddy on his knees kissing her little hand.
Daddy baby bag over his shoulder arm around Ayla holding her hand and Ayden's together.
Ayla sitting on couch at daddy's with hands on belly as though she is laughing.
Amazing how in such a short time a family that "cared so little" took so many pictures and even has happy smiling photos of a child who was still adjusting to her new environment.
Looking, I see on your comment above, you are forgetting a few things but happily McKee already pointed on thing out that you have not addressed. The picture Trista used was the most recent she had and was quickly followed by others through Lost N Missing that did not have the glasses on.
DeleteThe oversight that has not been pointed out is that the description on the flier and National Registry were provided to LE and reported by local media from the words of LE within hours of the 911 call. So I ask you, were you looking who gave the description when it was reported, because you just described what was reported at the scene. When you were looking at the scene that morning, did you see Trista? I didn't think so, the description was provided by someone on the seen I think, because I dont believe Trista knew which pajamas Ayla wore to sleep the night before.
I only point this out because your comment IMPLIES because the Reynolds released the doctors report months later and it does not match the description provided on the scene that the Reynolds are responsible for an inaccurate description.
Anon parade
DeleteHuh? Are you saying Trista did not provide information for the flyers to the foundation she was working with? That the foundation gathered it from the media and what LE released? You think Trista did not have this information herself?