9.15.2012

Giving Grace a Chance (CLOSED for Comments)

Like I said, I don't usually do guest posts. Since I allowed KJ's words to stand, I will give Grace the opportunity to speak her piece as well.  I take no responsibility for the words that follow, I cannot vouch for the accuracy or completeness of what you are about to read. Once again, I ask that you all refrain from attacking Grace personally. If you disagree with what she has written, then attack her words. Yes, Grace does have her own blogs, but perhaps she wants this posted here since she does not allow comments. I have no idea...Grace is presumably responding to Tori's new post at united4ayla.com. Happy reading?!

Tori Gifford – Oh No You Didn’t!
Guest post by Grace Wilson

( © Grace Wilson 2012. This article is published with permission from Grace Wilson. All rights reserved.) 

Given the events of the past several weeks, it should surprise no one that blogger Tori Gifford's credibility is being seriously questioned. Having once had the dubious honor of blogging with her, I can speak to her behavior and personality from first-hand experience. Although in recent days I have decided to limit the online drama surrounding this case, Tori's recent post filled with lies and slander has made this response more than necessary and I appreciate Obscure for giving me the opportunity to address this on her blog. 

Just Stop The Lies. The time for truth is now.

Tori Gifford is the worst liar I have ever met. You can take that one of two ways,  and both fit. She lies even more than Casey Anthony, and her lies are no more believable than Casey’s were either. This is made all the more hilarious to me, as I predict that Tori's very public downfall will be precisely because of her correspondence with a  certain “renown” statement analysis expert. Do you think Peter will mention on his blog how she successfully lied to him? Me neither. But lie to him (and about him) she did.

In her recent “comeback” post, Tori Gifford claimed that I posted emails stolen from her email account. I can prove this is a blatant lie. First of all, if I stole the email from her account, then it stands to reason that I would be the only one who had a copy, unless I forwarded the email to others. Would anyone like to back Tori up and claim  that I forwarded a copy of this “stolen” email to them? Anyone? …Bueller?

How about you, Obscure? If I am the only one besides Tori (and Peter Hyatt, presumably, but we will get to him in a moment) with a copy of that email, how were you able to get a copy with the blacked out names revealed?

Because Tori forwarded the email to others besides me, that’s how. After I revealed the email on my website, www.JusticeForAyla.org, Obscure either contacted her anonymous source or vice versa, and posted the email with the doctor’s name revealed. 

If that isn't proof enough, try this one:  If the email was stolen, wouldn’t Peter Hyatt have demanded I remove the email from my site? After all, if the email were stolen, it would be a violation of his privacy rights as well. The email was just as damaging to Peter's credibility, as Obscure pointed out. I have heard nothing from Peter Hyatt. I will assume Obscure hasn’t either, as the post with the email is still up at this site as well.

Tori’s next lie purports that when I released the email containing her personal information I did not release the “fifty prior emails" where I “hounded” her to write a book for me. I am not sure where she got her numbers from, but it is clearly seen in the email released on my site, that I did ask her to write a book. So, is she saying that I sent her forty-nine other emails previously asking? Well Tori, I’d like to see you back up that statement. Can you forward these emails to someone to verify them? I'm sure Obscure wouldn't mind.

If, however, Tori is referring to our IM conversations, I have copies which I can send directly through Gmail which will verify to the receiver that they are UNEDITED. Are you willing to do the same, Tori Gifford? If so, I bet Obscure would just love to be the recipient of all those late night chats we had as well, just to judge whether or not you were “hounded” by me. And I can send her ALL of them. You just say the word.

The sheer fact that Tori Gifford is so willing to lie on the "family" blog is very telling. I sincerely hope her readers are really paying attention. Did Tori think through all the above facts before she posted her comeback? If so, wouldn’t she have realized that Obscure could call her out? Or did she think she would not get caught? Why was she willing to take that chance? Did she really think she had convinced everyone that I was so crazy, it wouldn’t matter what she said? Even if I had proof that directly contradicted her? Does she think that there aren’t enough visitors to my site to matter? Does she think she can spin, spin, spin her way out of this with lies upon lies?

I guess she didn’t count on Obscure letting me do this. I hope this is the last act of complete and utter dishonesty to come from Tori Gifford and all her blogs. Enough is enough.

Here’s a thought, if Tori is lying about all of this, what else is she lying about?

Even though I am simply an astrologer, I am going to make a “psychic” prediction. I predict that we will never hear from Tori Gifford again.

Just to prove how much I believe my prediction, I am going to wait two weeks. If we do not hear a believable explanation for this newest set of lies, or if we don’t hear anything, I will reveal everything else Tori has lied about once and for all. 

None of this ugliness has deterred me from my path. I am moving forward with my plans for a law. I may not be able to name it after Ayla, but it will be in her honor and the honor of those who suffered before and after her. For Caylee Anthony, who received no justice. For Kyron Horman. For Zahra Baker. For Hailey Dunn. For Haleigh Cummings. For Baby Gabriel and Baby Lisa and Baby Kate.

Many of us have gotten caught up in this drama and many of us have acted in ways we were embarrassed to have publicly revealed. Yet we are still here, on the blog that outed us. On a blog that clearly states it is nothing like what J4A/U4A was supposed to be, because we felt it was the only refuge we had. I was the first to be led down the rabbit hole. I let my passion for Ayla's cause blind me to the corruption going on under my nose. I want to go back to the beginning only this time get it right.

What I am suggesting would be a true Justice For Ayla, one that anyone and everyone will be proud to be a part of. Heck, it might even attract a DiPietro or two! It will be the blog I thought I was supporting all those months ago, that I thought I was loyal to before Tori’s lies and deceit and manipulations ruined it. I will even open up comments. It will be the blog everyone has been voicing they want: open discussion, bully-free, facts only. No ties to either family. No fear of outing, no leaked emails, full disclosure and full transparency.

I feel this is the best I can do at this time, as I continue on the path to Justice for Ayla. I hope to see you there.



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    1. You know why it was deleted. Try again.

      In the mean time, grow the fuck up.

      Thanks.

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  2. the space between9/15/12, 10:07 PM

    Grace - re: "I am moving forward with my plans for a law."

    I am interested in hearing more about what this law would entail.

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    1. the space between,

      As I see it, a loophole these parent/murderers have found is if there is no body, and limited to no evidence of foul play, they can claim "kidnapping" and get away with it. Since kidnapping is a federal crime, in these cases I propose making reporting a false kidnapping a federal crime as well, but a totally separate charge, so if the child is found murdered later, the state can press murder charges and double jeopardy will not exist. This is a very basic outline, and I am just getting started with all of the research, but there it is. Thanks for asking.

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    2. Grace.... I was also wondering about what law you would propose. I agree that the ability for someone to claim "kidnapping" to hide a murder, should be a criminal offense, punishable on it's own accord. I don't know much about writing laws, but I definitely think that something of this nature is needed given the numbers of missing/kidnapped and murdered children. Best of luck to you. - KJ

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    3. the space between9/16/12, 11:52 AM

      Grace - I appreciate your comments and your passion for the welfare of children. I feel you are intelligent and offer valuable insights from your experiences. In my opinion only, the astrology stuff distracts from that - you can stand on your own merit without it. Although I am loathe to admit it, the flair for drama, while not my thing, seems to have its place. It takes strong and unique personalities to keep the discussion and awareness going. In Ayla's case, as we've all seen, LE and the media certainly aren't doing that job.

      Thank you for the explanation about your ideas.

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    4. space, there is no astrology at my J4A.org page. That is what my GWA page is for.

      I interpret the stars, but I don't always agree with them. Let me explain.

      The stars point to Trista being involved. I don't see how. I think she may have been duped, but I do not think Trista wanted to murder her child for the insurance money. But that is what the stars say, in my opinion anyway. So, I'm leaning towards the theory that she thought she was "selling" Ayla, and Justin double-crossed her.

      Until the truth comes out, we won't which, or if either are true.

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  3. All I can say is that if your plan is to continue to allow this psychotic liar to post here then you will lose many visitors and end up with a blog quite similar to U4A.

    I like this blog but every time Grace posts here I, and several others, want to run away. That's all.

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    1. My plan was to allow Grace a guest post. I had an idea of what she would discuss, but I wasn't really sure.

      Should I allow guest posts at all? Maybe not. But Grace asked to have her words posted, and I felt it would be unfair to say no after posting KJ's.

      I hope you don't run away, but if you do, I won't be chasing after you.

      Try to understand my position? Please?

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    2. I totally understand but I take issue with Grace as she has proven herself to be quite the liar and con artist. She's tricked and lied to a lot of people and I do not trust her posting or commenting here... at all. She seems very manipulative and not a good person at all... she seems to be only interested in furthering her own interests. That is my main concern and I really hope that this is her last post here.

      I was interested in what you had to say about Tori and her recent post... not Grace and her lies and bullshit. Sorry. :/

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    3. I don't foresee Grace posting here again. I don't want to say that she won't because I don't want to end up lying to you. There are a few circumstances in which I would like for her to post again...

      She knows that even I don't trust her as far as I can throw her. That's no offense to her, but her reputation absolutely precedes her.

      To some, Grace may seem like a con artist or liar, but she really hasn't done anything that a few others haven't. She's changed her mind about the case, after being wrapped up in Tori/Trista/Jeff's web. Even though she now suspects them, in addition to Justin, I have to commend her for looking at the facts and adjusting her position accordingly.

      Don't apologize! I knew that some wouldn't like this post because of the author, that's why I disclaimed that it's completely off topic.

      Take care!

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    4. Every time I have accused Tori of lying, I have been specific and I have backed it up with proof. I would appreciate it, anon, and all of the rest of you, if you are going to accuse me of lying, if you would do me the same courtesy. Please state the lie that I told and the proof you have that it is a lie. Please and thank you!

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  4. I can tolerate Grace post by post...but not as a whole.

    I do believe she is an advocate for vulnerable chidren...I don't think she lies about that.

    This post is way too dramatic and gossipy for my tastes. Catch you all on the next thread!

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    1. McKee, a baby girl is missing and possibly murdered. I will be as dramatic as I have to be on her behalf. I didn't start this crazy merry-go-round, and I am trying as hard as I can to get off and get back on track. You have your way, and I have mine, but looking back at some of your comments? Well, that's a little like the pot calling the kettle black.

      I get my style isn't for everyone. Neither is Obscures. I am just sick of all the lies about me on these blogs and nothing but Tori's word as proof of them. I have proven Tori is a liar. I want a chance to show I'm not. Sneaky and underhanded? Yes, I was. A con artist and liar? No, I am not.

      Well, I did lie about my age and weight a few times, but I'm getting older and I'm still vain. If that counts as being a "liar", I'm guilty.

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    2. Grace...I think you took my comment in the wrong tone. My intention was to express that you ARE a staunch advocate for endangered children, and I admire you for that. God knows that parents and DHHS often and woefully fail their little charges.

      Honestly, I wasn't trying to ruffle your feathers. You have been kind and civil towards me...I certainly have no bone to pick with you. I'm not up-to-speed on all these supposed past trangressions (hacked email accounts, stolen blogs, book deals, unauthorized photo posts of others children, etc), and frankly, I like it that way.

      I do enjoy reading your theories. You advocate for Ayla and all children that have been harmed or stand in harms way.

      And I don't care how old you are or how much you weigh. LOL.

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    3. McKee, I am sorry I misunderstood. I am dramatic, I always have been.

      Do you watch 30 Rock? My favorite quote from it:

      Jenna Malone: Being dramatic is my thing. If you take it away from me I will kill myself, then I will kill you too....

      LOL.

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    4. No problem, Grace.

      That was a pretty funny quote from Jenna Malone...

      I respect your passion for astrology. Hobbies are healthy. I don't share your passion for astrology, and you probably don't share mine for metal detecting.

      That said, there was a dowser from VT who did some map dowsing and damn if he didn't find the body of a missing woman here in MA. This was some 20 years ago. I remain impressed to this day.

      I'm a fan of sleuthing and digging for answers. I believe that might be our common ground. I'm also proud to "know" anyone associated with trying to change and/or introduce laws that better protect vulnerable children. That is a lofty and admirable aspiration, and one I certainly support. I am absolutely clueless how ordinary citizens introduce game-changing bills, but I do know they can and do.

      Thanks for directing me to the CNN transcripts re: the blood amount. No doubt about it...both comments came from A4A, not LE.

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    5. LucifersHand9/16/12, 9:51 PM

      @ Grace & mckee

      I for one am glad to see both of you here (and other commenters)because you both have a perspective that is very valid and worthy of open discussion - this is what grown-ups do (or at least so I have been told).

      Early on I had little respect for either of you for various reasons, but I think (dare I say it) that in such a terrible circumstance, it has brought out the best of intentions in both of you. I only wish the circumstances had been different and positive from the outset.

      Tori, I am sooo disappointed with you. My personal take from what was written at U$A was that you simply grew tired of the case, having no news to write about. Some of the best ideas come from rehashing the old stuff so i don't see how you could "grow bored". You clearly weren't up to the challenge to stick with it to the end.

      Obscure - I think its great that you let "some" guest pieces be added. This allows for discussion to flow and for people to open up and respond to different opinions. I may not agree with everything that is said but I think its part of respecting that we all have a "right" to think and feel what we do as individuals.

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    6. Lol Grace. I guess there is something to be said for owning it. I think I prefer that to someone who can't take a look in the mirror. And while on that topic- I am roundly impressed by a handful of people suddenly. I thought my eyes were deceiving me when I caught up this week. Frankly, when I think about it I guess it's not entirely shocking. McKee, Dee, Team Truth, KJ (have I missed any) all did present as people who were more intellectual than the crowd they were posting with before.

      I don't have any illusion that this turn of events will necessarily solve the case or that those of us on this blog are going to figure out what LE hasn't. But then everything is possible in this world. In any case I personally need a place to discuss this case that has grabbed hold of me. To what end? I don't know. But I'm glad this blog is here.

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  5. how i see it9/16/12, 2:28 AM

    sounded more like a pitch to draw readers to her blog..oooohhhh the suspense..next chapter?

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  6. Moving along now... next?

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  7. Whack jobs!!!!

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  8. Pathetic! As is this blog!

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    1. Well thank you!

      I don't waste my time commenting on pathetic blogs. Do you?

      bahahaha don't answer that, dummy.

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  9. The only things that interest me at this point related to Tori:

    From Tori's post at U4A:

    After 6 or more months of writing about her daughter’s case and keeping Ayla’s name out there even at times putting my own family in danger to do so, I was pretty upset that the first time she (Trista) reached out to me was to verbally accost me. I am not going to get into what her issue was but it was not about Ayla and it was completely baseless. I chose not to engage her and left it at that. Trista informed me that she did not want me having anything to do with her daughter’s case or the blog, unfortunately for Trista, this is not her blog and she has never been apart of this blog and before I even agreed to the merger I made sure I would not have to ask her permission on what to write or have to coddle her.

    My questions:

    Why wasn't Trista involved with a high profile blog related to finding her daughter, that was "endorsed" by Ayla's family (Jeff)?

    If Trista's message to Tori was unrelated to Ayla or her blog, and Trista wasn't involved with U4A, why did Tori bring it up?

    What prompted Trista to become so angry at Tori?

    I don't care about these answers from a gossip standpoint. I am curious to know if it is related to Ayla's case somehow. I would think it would have to be something very serious for the mother of a missing child to tell someone who was trying to help to cease and desist, so to speak. It doesn't mean it was with merit, but why?

    I never posted on U4A until I saw the McKeeKitty-cide begin. Then I posted, not just because I think Kitty was a valuable asset, but because I saw a supposed pro-Ayla blog shutting down discourse about dissecting fact from fiction. That bothered me.

    I never posted in this blog until I saw more open discussions happening here.

    I don't give a crap about the drama. :)

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    1. Fan of Truth and Common Sense9/16/12, 11:18 AM

      Team Truth, "You took the words right out of my mouth".

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    2. Well said Team Truth.- KJ

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    3. As always, TT...spot on.

      Tori's "My Absence" post left much to be desired. Rather than addressing questions, Tori raised even more in my mind.

      "McKeeKitty-cide." Classic!

      Slightly OT: I'm quite disenchanted with the MS. I remember many moons ago a list of suggestions you offered to Ben for possible coverage. The neighbors of the DiPietros was one. I recall Betty Redeagle saying to the press that she could see Ayla's bedroom from her window, and Betty saying this was "no random" incident. I would love to hear more from Betty about her next door neighbors.

      I don't know if the DiPietros have their mail delivered to their home. A comment from the mailman/woman would be interesting.

      I think some creative brainstorming on the part of reporters would go a long way in keeping this story from fading into the shadows...

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      I find this odd, too. Just as I wonder about Heidi T. and her relationship with the DiPietros, I also wonder about Tori's relationship with the maternal family. I certainly don't think Tori or Heidi is in any way involved in anything criminal, but I do think who speaks "on behalf" of the families and more importantly, why, could end up having some relevance. I don't really care about the feuds between bloggers, but this thing between Trista and Tori wouldn't have been revealed without a reason. No idea if that reason is relevant or not.

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    5. Team Truth, same questions I was hoping to hear some info about.

      Although I've believed for quite some time that Trista had very little input, or much to do with any of the blogs.
      She alluded to that in a text to Justin.

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    6. the space between9/16/12, 2:05 PM

      My guess is that the average person in Trista's shoes (whether guilty of anything or not) would be pissed that Jeff was sharing personal information with Tori who was disseminating it to the public without her knowledge or approval. If that were the case it could explain Trista not living with Jeff anymore (as was stated by someone in comments), Jeff's absence at the bike run, Tori receiving an angry email, and the lack of any recent "information" from the maternal family.

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    7. Tori said, "I am not going to get into what her issue was but it was not about Ayla and it was completely baseless. I chose not to engage her and left it at that. Trista informed me that she did not want me having anything to do with her daughter’s case or the blog,..."

      If it didn't concern Ayla, why does Trista not want Tori to have anything to do with Ayla's, case or the blog? Does this have something to do with Jeff? I don't get it!

      signed:getrealpeople

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    8. more questions9/16/12, 2:41 PM

      I've had similar thoughts,Space. I also thought that it may have had something to do with Bob Vear being invited onto the blog. I could understand Trista being livid about that.

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    9. the space between 9/16/12 2:05 PM

      I don't believe Trista gave Jeff info that was supposed to be kept in confidence. She knows of the blogs by Tori and Jeff. If she is no longer living with Jeff, I believe it is the typical fight. She either left, or she was kicked out. Trista seems to be taken in by family members for a time, and next thing you know, she's living in a motel again. Quite the dysfunctional family.

      According to Jeff, he put in a lot of hours organizing the bike run, yet he didn't bother to show up. John P. and someone else said he was there. Yet, no one met him, or even acknowledges they saw him. Why was there no media coverage of this event like all the rest? How does family turmoil keep you from speaking out for your daughter. Something isn't right!!

      signed:getrealpeople

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    10. Keep guessing

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    11. Jeff was at the bike run but not for long, and media was there via radio.

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    12. the space between9/16/12, 9:42 PM

      Suz, I have no interest in continuing to guess. Remember your source, whatever you've heard is not necessarily the truth. Frankly, if Tori, Jeff, and Trista all answered the same question 3 different ways it would be a safe bet that the truthful answer would be "D. none of the above."

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    13. Emails between Trista and Tori don't lie. I have no desire to engage you further than this. Keep guessing. These blogs are funny. 9 months now, blogs never helped Aula.

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    14. more questions9/17/12, 8:11 AM

      I agree, Space. In fact, I pretty much agree with what everyone here has said about it.

      Whatever "it" was, Tori brought it up. Tori proclaims that "it" was completely baseless. Obviously Trista didn't think so. For people to just assume that Trista was out of line is, in my opinion, complete bs.

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    15. "....and before I even agreed to the merger I made sure I would not have to ask her permission on what to write or have to coddle her"

      So was the merger Jeff's idea and if so, what was the *real* reasoning behind it?

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    16. the space between9/17/12, 9:47 AM

      My initial comment wasn't seeking to engage you in the first place, Suz. My second one wasn't either. (notice, no question marks) I was giving credit to Trista for potentially acting like a normal person would, on a site we've heard from others does nothing but bash her. You're saying that's not it.

      So, Tori shared a personal email from Trista with you directly or with the "secret group" you referred to. Funny. I get it. I'm not going to keep guessing and you don't need to respond. (no question marks)

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      more questions - agreed, the speed with which Tori was willing to throw Trista under the bus regarding her "credibility" when Grace released Jeff's email about the pc was rather surprising. We know that Trista lies, but sometimes I think she misunderstands as well. Jeff should know this about her. Why blame Trista for the email? She was sitting in the living room crying with her mother when Jeff sent it out. He chose what to say and sent it out before the pc, even though he says in the email Trista was asked to not say anything until afterwards. How is this Trista's responsibility? I believe she's been used to bolster certain people's relevance and ego.

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    18. Hi Suz! Who is Aula? I could see why this blog wouldnt help considering this is a blog pertaining to Ayla. I am sure you did see emails between Tori and Trista but once again you are assming they are fact. Anyone can alter an email. Tori lies thru her teeth about a lot so maybe you should consider that k?

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    19. I'm sure you realize that it was a typo and I wonder why you need to nit pic. It's distastefull and not helpfull.

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    20. the space between9/17/12, 1:42 PM

      I should have added, it's interesting how "over there" Trista's reliability/credibility is 100% on anything anti-Justin - and 0% in matters related to Tori or Jeff.

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    21. more questions9/17/12, 2:50 PM

      Yes, Space. And it should be noted. If anyone believes that Trista had an issue with Tori that truly was "completely baseless," they may want to ask themselves if Trista has made any other completely baseless accusations.

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    22. Don't let Trista's sad life fool you. She may have had a poor support system and I do believe that it has done it's damage. But it has also taught her to be street smart, stubborn, and strong tempered when she wants to be. Misunderstand things? I don't think so. Stupid she is not. I am sure Trista knew exactly what Jeff and Tori were doing. The words that come out of her mouth are her own. And there were plenty of them from day one. Trista was not oblivious to the goings on around her. Nor was she a puppet on a string.

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    23. @eve
      I am wondering why you find it odd that Tori and Heidi are involved in this case when so many other strangers are? Tori I do not know that she knew anyone previously but as I understand it the Tudela's knew Justin from the time he was in grade school. So why when so many other people are involved in wanting to do something is it so strange that they would want to do something also? Or would just want to support their friend?

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    24. Tristas info came from someone who was telling her a tall tale so it was not her simply going on baseless accusations. Both she, and subsequently Tori was negatively effected by someones lie.

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    25. @Sam-
      Derek Tudela is, and has been Justin's best friend for a long time. Heidi is Derek's mother. If you knew Heidi, you would be disgusted by the crap you read about her and her family. If your best friend needed a place to stay because they needed to vacate their house for any reason, are you going to grill them about everything you could possibly think of(including possible public opinion, details of the situation..etc..) No. You are going to open your home to them. That is what the Tudelas did. Very rarely do you meet a family so genuine, who would give you their last dollar if you needed it..without a second thought, or ulterior motive. They are a good family, so it sickens me to hear her name in the same sentence as Tori's.

      Sorry, I didn't mean to go on like that, but it all came out. I just want you to know, that wasn't directed rudely toward you. I was responding to you, and then some :)

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    26. Here -Here.

      I second that, #2.

      Wouldn't it be weird if Justin's friends didn't support him at this terrible time? They support and go above and beyond ; and are joined by extended family and friends of theirs as well as by strangers who believe they need community support. This is a beautiful and admirable thing that happened. So angered were the anti -Justin crowd by this support that they tried to depict it as ill intended, covering tracks, aiming for personal fame etc. All untrue but all, not surprisingly, reflective of what they themselves by & large are doing.

      People who know the Dipietros stand firmly beside them. Where did Trista's friends and family go, again....?

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    27. the space between9/18/12, 12:44 PM

      well-said #2 and pescara

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    28. #2 I did not take it as being rude. Thanks for explaining. You answered to my question and then some.

      Pescara
      Good question where did all of Trista's family go? One thing you can say about Justin is that his supporters, family and friends have remained constant.

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  10. And guess what Grace, your prediction failed. TORI is back already. Justice for Ayla is reopened! So..... still going to make everyone wait for two weeks before you prove all you said you were going top prove? I'm going to make a prediction of my own. I believe Grace is going to be bat shit crazy about Tori not only being back but no phone giving a shit about all of her craziness. Too many bloggers, not enough info.
    John P.s blog= bunch of pitch fork waving crazies
    Toris blog= a place for cons, criminals and habitual liars
    Jstl= a place where people are allowed to speak their mind's. Also a place that if you come here spouting your bull shit, you get told, put up or shut up.
    Oh and Graces blog, where you can read her craziness and not comment :/

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    1. Hey, I never said I was psychic! LOL Yes I saw that Tori re-opened her blog. If people read and can believe her crap, more power to them. At this point I dont care what Tori does blog wise. If she lies about me, I am going to prove it.

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  11. more questions9/16/12, 11:48 AM

    Grace-for what it's worth, I don't think you are all bad or all crazy...just a little of both sometimes. As are we all. The difference is that you roll your shit right out onto the front porch for the whole world to see. I don't know if I should be disgusted or find that weirdly admirable. :::shrug:::

    BTW-I do believe you about the "stolen" emails.

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    1. I pretty much agree with you more questions.

      exception,...Grace, I don't think you are crazy at all.
      That doesn't mean that I agree with your theories, of course.

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  12. based on evidence found at the dipietro home, LE is convinced the body was disposed of in the river or a dumpster. LE is wearing blinders. until removed, this case will go nowhere.
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    1. DD - in your opinion, if LE removed those blinders what might they be able to see?

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    2. an abduction by a non-stranger. very easy to see.
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    3. Really? 9/16/12 12:09 PM

      I can't answer for anon 11:48, but IMO, if LE removed the blinders they would see that they don't have a clue what happened to Ayla. They really need to expand their search.

      signed:getrealpeople

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    4. getreal - agreed, the search needs to be expanded... and most of us don't know what to think and are "on the fence"

      DD - you seem more sure of your thoughts... what tips the scale for you? do you have a specific theory you could share?

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    5. Anon 1150-
      If you plan to speak for the Maine State Police, I advise you to either site your sources, or provide a link to that information. You said they are convinced her body was disposed of in a dumpster or river, but you also say they are wearing blinders. Which is it? Also, since this is all based on 'evidence', why is no one in jail? Arizona just arrested Jhessey Shockley's "mother" and charged her with murder without a body. Why? It's called actual evidence, not Jeffidence. Your people call Justin every name you can think of. I have yet to hear you refer to him as "genius mastermind of a toddler's premeditated murder"..yet according to the cult, he did just that..and cleaned it up with flawless techniques.
      Rather than fishing for any new rumor you can spin, or waiting on Master Jeff and Pomeranian, here's an idea.. Shut your suck, and go hang up a flyer. If people stopped looking underground, and started looking up, they might find a little girl. You know..since you aren't bothering to entertain the idea that she maaaayyyy just be alive.

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    6. #2. i believe Ayla is alive. MSP does not share the same thoughts. i cannot share a link to this info an i will not disclose my source. i would enjoy hanging a flyer on your forehead using a spike.
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    7. Can't LE be convinced of something and still be wearing blinders to everything else? It made sense to me...

      I agree DD. And I think there are some very divided lines inLE's ranks.

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    8. Obscure- they're signing as DD.

      DD I don't think that was necessary. I read #2's comments as winding from a partial reply to you into a general statement to those who are chanting that justin "did it". If you re-read it appears that he/she's addressing "people" in that later part of the reply.

      Simmer down now....

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  13. Until they find the precious baby that came to her demise in that home this case will not be solved. . . IMO

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    1. Anon, it must be weird living life alongside all the rest of us. Your hunches and instincts stand as fact...whereas the rest of us have to rely on evidence and tangible provable facts.

      I just can't agree with you because the thing is that I know investigators make mistakes. I know evidence can be planted or missed or both. I know persuasive people in police departments can call all the shots and run things how they want. They can and do get things wrong sometimes even though they have good intentions and skilled officers.

      I care about the innocent too much to rely on instincts alone. Or...straight face tests.

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  14. ITA - Anon:1:21 PM

    Justin don't give a shit.
    Elisha don't give a shit.
    Phoebe is well, Phoebe. We know she don't give a shit, LIAR.
    Courtney is the weakest link. She's afraid to open her ugly mouth because the minute she does, the truth will come pouring out like a leaky faucet. Where are the reporters in Maine? I would be camped out on her door steps asking her questions. At least then the public can finally get a read on her...IMO

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    1. Guess what? The police got a read on Courtney, and no arrests have been made in this case. Do you think the public's "reading" of her will somehow change that? Please let me know!

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    2. @ Obscure: Guess what ? The police did not get a read on Courtney. She refuses to talk to the police, refuse to submit to a polygraph, refuse to speak out for Ayla. If you can provide links to the contrary, I will be more than happy to read them. IMO no arrests have been made 'simply' because Ayla is still missing. Once, she is found, I belive there will be multiple arrests. I find it very odd and suspect that you choose to attack my comment regarding Courtney and the Dips. What gives? Are personal opinions not allowed on your blog?

      sn: It's okay to have faith in someone, just not blind faith!

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    3. You're a walking, talking contradiction.

      You unequivocally state those things about Courtney, and then you say you will be happy to read links IF I provide them. Go search for yourself, and you will realize that what you're saying is incorrect. I do not have to continuously post links for the village idiots such as yourself. Google it.

      Next, you ask if personal opinions are allowed on my blog. We are discussing YOUR personal opinion, which has not been deleted from my blog. Does that answer it for you?

      Lastly, the fact that Ayla is STILL missing is not the only reason there are no arrests...are you Steve McCausland posing as a completely uniformed fool? As you said, if you can provide a link that states what you have asserted, I will be happy to read it.

      Checkmate.

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    4. Courtney DID NOT refuse to talk to the police. She was at the police station everyday for the first several weeks right along side the rest of the family.

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    5. Anon, opinions that add value to the discussions are welcomed.

      Attacking members of the Dipietro family and cursing about them does not add value. Saying they don't give a shit isn't a valid "opinion". You don't know them. They DO give a shit. They are fearful for Ayla's safety and fearful that they have no one to turn to to rescue her.

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    6. to the articulate anon - it was stated by LE many times in the beginning that everyone (not "almost everyone") was fully cooperating with the investigation. Also, if she had never spoken to LE wouldn't that be obstruction of justice?

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    7. Still searching google for info on courtney. The only thing I can find is a pic of her with her big belly hanging out and charges on her sister for selling drugs ( the one she lived with, but didn't know she was selling drugs). Oh, and an article stating that she refuses to take a poly. You're been told that you're wrong! And now I'm telling you that you are also a liar. However, I have to give props to you. You have an active imagination. You are a writer after all, aren't you? Keep laughting your fucking ass off if it makes you feel better. lol

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    8. Not speaking to LE, does not equal obstruction of justice. You do have the right to remain silence. Seems courtney is exercising that right. That is all. Goodnight.

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    9. Exactly anon...she would have to take action in order to obstruct justice (i.e. Lie, hide someone/something). Not talking is taking no action, and is a person's right under the 5th Amendment...

      She HAS talked to law enforcement though, she just has not spoken to the public. She doesn't have to, by the way.

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    10. Interestingly the anon simply ignores the quote you provided. (Who's surprised?) Yes, she did cooperate, she did talk and for many weeks LE stated they were all totally cooperative.

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    11. Sorry to burst your bubbles Nadia: I am not ignoring the quote provided. It just doen't include Courtney. Justin took the poly and 'smoked it'. Elisha took the poly and 'did fine'. Courtney, nothing, nada, zilch. What's really interesting is why you continue to insist Courtney took a poly, when she did not. BTW: I did read the article to the link you provided. It states in part, " Hope fades for missing Maine toddler. Hope will continue to fade for Ayla, unless Justin, Elisha, and Courtney decide to tell LE all they know. Courtney, you can start the process by taking that poly that Obscure insist you took.
      Thanks in advance

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    12. Hmmm another angry Anon swearing, name calling and thrash talking from the other side so weird.

      By the way anyone ever heard Trista and her family talk? I have.

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    13. Kelly/Obscure: Whats weird is you creating more profiles to rebuke my comments. Yes, I am angry. I am angry that is little is missing, and the people in the house refuse to cooperate with LE. I am angry that Ayla's father, his girlfriend, his sister, and his mother are not speaking out to the 'kidnapper(s) and begging them for her safe reture. No matter how you slice the pie, Alya is missing from their home. If Courtney's or Elisha's child was missing, you can bet your last dollar that all four would be kicking in some doors. I am angry that one of the four is not willing to call the tipline and tell where Ayla is located ( go to a payphone). I am angry that YOU continue to thrash the maternal family without facts. Finally, I want to leave a message for Courtney Roberts.

      Courtney, when charges are finally brought fore, and eventally they will be. You my dear, is going to be left holding the bag.( the jealous girl) If this family don't give a shit about Ayla, their own flesh and blood, then guess what? They don't really give a shit about you and your freedom. They are not going to have any problems thowing you under the bus. If you believe different, my dear, you are in for a rude awakening. BTW: I don't give a rat's ass how Trista and her family talk, at least, they are talking.

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    14. "I don't give a rat's ass how Trista and her family talk, at least, they are talking."
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      And saying some crazy-ass shit if you ask me, anonymous.

      Trista contradicts herself over and over...this is a big factor in me doing a 180 in this case. C'mon, anonymous. If Trista was sincerely concerned about Ayla in Justin's care, she would not have allowed Justin to have custody. If Trista was concerned about the broken arm, she had every opportunity to act on her suspicions right there at the doctor's office in November. If Trista was concerned that she couldn't speak with Ayla after December 8, why the fuck didn't she request a welfare check or get her ass to Waterville and demand to see Ayla?

      Trista throws out bruises, pulled muscles and broken limbs...and yet she states that she thought Ayla was well taken care for under Justin's care.

      Please don't be dense. I get the sense that Obscure has a low tolerence for stupidity.

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    15. I am not Obscure although I will take that as a compliment. And I am here to tell you they are not talking to each other anymore and even when they did it was not pretty. Even to each other they are violent and down right nasty!

      I swear Anon you sound so familiar to me hmmm

      Courtney jealous laughable.

      As far as kicking in doors who's doors do you recommend they kick in for Ayla? Trust me if you could direct them to just one door out of the billions in the world that she could be behind I guarantee they would kick it in to find her. So if you are hinting you know it please do tell.

      And while you are being so angry how about a little anger for the mom she is not begging for the safe return of her daughter either. She just keeps asking for a body back.

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    16. McKitty: Just Stop The Lies. Enough said.

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    17. @ McKeekitty: Double standards? If Justin is concerned for his daughter, why the fuck don't he reach out to the 'kidnapper (s) begging for her safe return? If Justin is so concerned for his daughter, ask him when will be the time for him to explain Ayla's blood found in his room, near his bed. Also, ask him WHO tried to clean up Ayla's blood! Obscure and I do have something in common. We both have a low tolerence for stupidity!

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    18. Anon 110...not a double standard. If you have ever read McKee before you would know that she has openly questioned BOTH sides. Yes this comment she posted questions Trista (and rightfully so because she has a lot of inconsistencies) but she has been very vocal in her thought about Justin as well. Get your facts straight before you post because I also have a low tolerance for stupidity.

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    19. Kelly/Obscure: Your entire post is wack. Starting with 'they do not talk to each other anyone'. I was referring to them talking to LE. In reference to them kicking in doors. ( who have to address Phoebe on that one, SHE spoke of Justin and friends may have gone to kick in doors if she hadn't stopped them).So...ask Phoebe or Justin what doors she was referring to. I don't see how you interpret me recommending them to kick in doors, when I CLEARLY stated, " if Courtney's or Elisha's child went missing, then you could bet your last dollar they would be kicking in some doors. ( you actually got me recommending which doors to kick in from that statement? now thats laughable. Moving along. I have never read, viewed from video, Trisha asking for a body back! I have heard her asking/begging for her daughter back.

      BTW: I sound so familiar to you? Sorry...for the long pause. I fell out of my chair laughing. Hmmm, take a wild guess. Grow Up.

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    20. Um your post is whack.

      My post said they do not talk to each other "anymore". I am sorry about your dyslexia truly I am. Not making fun.

      Any way moving on.
      Clearly you miss the point. I hesitate to try again but I will give it one last shot. You pointing out that "If Courtney's or Elisha's child went missing, then you could bet your last dollar they would be kicking in some doors" implies that you believe that they care more about Courtney and Elisha's children and would only kick in doors for them. And that you do not believe that they would kick in doors for Ayla if they could. I was simply pointing out that they would and could if it were only that easy and if you think it is then by all means please help recommend some.

      http://bostonherald.com/news/regional/view/2011_1230missing_toddlers_mom_goads_dad

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kX6n3ppxbbI

      http://www.kjonline.com/news/ayla-reynolds-mother-says-items-found-in-river-not-related_2012-05-19.html

      Here are just a few links by the way I do find it tedious to have to do peoples research for them. I find the last article particularly interesting. When Trista states the following:

      Reynolds said she felt mixed emotions upon learning that some items are not related to the case.

      "I'm irritated, angry, frustrated and sad," she said.

      "I'm more irritated than anything that we're back to Square 1."

      So Trista would be happy then if they found items of Ayla's or what exactly? So that she can not be at square one? I am sorry but I will take square one any day rather than LE telling me they found out my daughter or something of hers was in the river just so that I could have closure.
      Now I will gladly move along. And really no wild guesses needed. Your anger gives you away.

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  15. I'm shocked you bent to let Grace in? I don't understand. She's very accusatory, while being pretty nasty herself. I think it's obvious Tori, And Grace were too involved with EACHOTHER, trust was broken, they are both angry, and both trying to get the last dig. Petty, very petty.

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    1. Let her in where? She emailed me her posts, and I published it. ??

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    2. Can I just say something here? I had complete access to everything on J4A as well as Just Start the Lies. If I were going to "steal" a blog, don't you think I would have stolen the more popular/important one?

      I am sick of the insinuations. I didn't steal that freaking blog and I didn't hack Tori's email. Hacking her email would be a criminal offense. Do you think I would hang around these blogs if I had done that? Why hasn't Tori called the police on me? I called the police when my email was hacked, and I also offered proof of it on the blogs.

      Obscure posted private pictures stolen from my email account on this very blog, pictures she received from the person who hacked my account. If she had gotten those pics from online, don't you think she would post the link? Or do you think she would just let me call her a criminal hacker?

      Every time I bring it up, her only response is "Grace, you know that isn't true." and you know what? I believe her. I believe the person who hacked my email is Jenn/Sarah/ObscureSucks. I have chats where she threatened to do exactly that, then what do you know? Obscure posted the pic.

      Who this person is remains to be seen, computer forensics involving this type of investigation takes some time, but let me assure you I have the best in the business working on it. Do you all really think someone like Eric Robi would let me just throw his name around on these blogs willy nilly? Google him.

      I became involved in this case because of my passion for abused/missing/murdered children, and because now that I am retired, I finally have the time to use my experience and my contacts to really do something about it.

      I am not a stay-at-home mom with a criminal record and a huge electric bill fooling around on some blog. I have a long and successful career in the public, private and government sectors and I am someone who gets things done. I worked for the IRS, the SEC, the DOI (Department of Insurance) and LE.

      My intention is not for this comment to sound threatening. I am only trying to show you all how illogical and absurd Tori's lies are.

      I'm not after Obscure's blog either. I have several of my own to take care of, I don't need another one.

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    4. oh grace you're such a loon and a terrible liar

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    6. I TOLD YOU THAT WHAT YOU WERE SAYING WAS NOT TRUE.

      If you want to go around accusing people, including ME, of committing crimes (hacking emails), then no one can stop you.

      I did not purposely make you look like a fool. You lied on me, I told you that you were lying, and you continued to lie on me. You made yourself look like a fool.

      Only in America can YOU lie on ME, and then accuse me of having no soul.

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    7. Fucking with your LIFE? Really, now? You can't be serious, Grace. I'm about to lose the little bit of patience that I do have with you.

      You want to talk about fucking with people's lives? How about the people you have been really nasty to? The people who you have no problem calling baby-killers or accusing of being accomplices to MURDER.

      Don't you think that's a little bit more fucked up than posting pictures of your children that YOU posted online in the first place? You created a whole blog to defame a person who you have repeatedly been told has nothing to do with this case/blog. Then you supposedly reached out to her, got information, and continued on in your path. You posted about those things gleefully.

      Think before you post. You're not a victim here, Grace. Everything you got is what you dished out. If you can't stand the heat, then stay your ass out of the kitchen.

      /endrant

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  16. Depending upon her audience, Trista offers up very different reasons for filing for custody on December 15. We have her suspicions of abuse. We have her inability to speak with Ayla after December 8. We have that Justin told he was going to file for custody.so she thought it best to "strike first."

    I think Trista knew she would not be granted full custody of Ayla. She has no known address. She has another young child to care for. She has a history with DHHS. She goes on and off her mood-stablizing medications. She has a history of substance abuse. She has a history of taking up with men of dubious character. She is not employed.

    So she files on December 15th and Ayla goes missing the night of the 16th. But by filing the initial custody papers, Trista looks "good." I mean, who would go through the proper legal channels only to abduct their own child less than 48 hours later, right? Perhaps a mother who knew she had a slim chance of gaining custody. Actually, a very clever ploy if you ask me. And it is difficult for me to put "clever" and "Trista" in the same sentence.

    I want to know why Trista waited 6-7 weeks to file for the return of Ayla. I want to know why she didn't demand a welfare check by LE when she could no longer speak with her daughter.

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    1. That has been one of my questions all along. Trista files for custody and the next night Ayla disappears. Who's going to look at Trista when she went about it "the legal way"? I have thought it was a front to keep her from being looked at.

      Why did she wait so long when she says Ayla was being abused? Why didn't she even try to see Ayla for two weeks after she got out of rehab? Why didn't she go and get her daughter back after rehab, if that was a stipulation of the meeting that they held?

      Yet, then she says, she always thought Ayla was being well taken care of (paraphrasing). WTH!

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    2. Did justin give permission to Trista to come to their house and pick Ayla up? How many times would a mother be refused before she would take legal steps esspecially if at the time she was not well versed in what her legal options were.

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    3. Mckee, did Trista, as you say, file for sole custody?? Or for parental rights? Please show me the facts of these statements you make.
      Did Justin file for sole custody? This is the first I have heard of this. Where did yu find this info?
      How do you know for a fact that Trista did not think she could gain full custody..is this what you, "think" or is this fact?
      Are you slipping into supposition? If so I have no problem but just wondering that you are usually so fact based that I am sort of thrown off a bit.

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    4. "Where did yu (sic duly noted) find this info?"

      Why, out of the mouth of Trista, oneannon. I won't do your homework, but Trista makes a big fucking deal of correcting Matt Lauer of The Today Show that she was simply seeking "Parental Rights and Responsibilities" and makes a big fucking deal that she is seeking "sole and full" custody of Ayla with Nancy Grace/CNN.

      That is where I got my information from, oneannon. From your own beloved, beyond-reproach, Trista herself.

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      oneannon - I'm not mckee, but will share what I know.

      Did you watch the early interviews with Trista? Even if you have but haven't seen them recently, you might want to watch again. The contradictory statements should be obvious if you watch. In one of the interviews, Trista stated Justin told her he was going to file for custody.

      re: "How do you know for a fact that Trista did not think she could gain full custody..is this what you, "think" or is this fact?"
      Mckee said "I think Trista knew she would not be granted full custody of Ayla."

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    6. "She goes on and off her mood-stablizing medications. "
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      McKee, I'm not sure I've seen this anywhere on MSM, is there a link? Not attacking--but you have said you are a stickler for details vs. rumors being passed off as fact.

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    7. I think a very tale-tell sign is the DHHS meeting held with Jessica, her lawyer, two doctors and Justin on the phone. If the doctors were there to testify about Justin's abuse of Ayla, the did a poor job of convincing the case workers because the child stayed with Justin.

      I suspect that the doctors were there to testify to Trista's state of mind. I think the meeting was not about Jessica trying to get Ayla away from Justin, but her trying to get Ayla away from Trista and Justin. She brought her lawyer and two doctors, yet she failed. This shows me that DHS, with Trista's approval and consent, left Ayla in Justin's care because Trista was in no shape to care for Ayla, and because of Jessica's past, reluctant to return Ayla to her.

      That Ayla spent most of her life with Jessica, Becca and Trista, yet DHS chose Justin in this scenario speaks volumes to me, and I have lots of experience with DHS team meetings.

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    8. Grace, I touched on some of these things. We cross posted.

      I think the doctors were there to testify about injuries Ayla suffered while in the care of TRISTA. The pulled leg muscle comes to mind. There may be other injuries that occurred in Trista's care, but we will never know about them. Ayla's whole medical record was not (and should not be) released. We only know what the Reynold's want us to know. I'm not alleging that Trista was abusive to Ayla. I do think that she was neglectful, because there's no way an alocholic/drug addict can be as attentive to an almost 2 year old as they should be.

      We still do not know why the police contacted DHHS when they responded to Jessica and Trista's fight.

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      good points Obscure and Grace

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    10. The fact that they left the child with the father, with his limited previous involvement in Ayla's life, after the testimony of two doctors is exactly what leads me to believe they were not there to testify to Ayla's injuries. If they were, or if it had been brought up at that meeting, I believe CPS would have taken custody of Ayla right then. If they were there to testify about Ayla's injuries, it was not the one reported a mere three weeks or so before this meeting.

      Ayla visited the doctor on Sept. 29, and this meeting was on Oct. 20.

      I don't remember seeing any links about the police visit to Jess's apt. Is there one? It would be interesting to see what blotter or report would say. Are police reports public information?

      I'm not psychic, but I don't like the feelings I get when we talk about this.

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    11. Do you think maaaaybe part of the reason Ayla was NOT left with Jessica was because DHHS already took her kids...?! Why the hell would anyone leave a toddler in the care of someone who couldn't even keep her OWN kids? Just a thought
      You know..IMO of course..

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      #2-maaaaybe. It could explain why Justin didn't get Ayla until the October 17th. If Ayla was left with Jessica on the 13th, which was a Thursday, the background check may not have popped until Monday the 17th. It could also explain why Jess received a call from DHHS to turn Ayla over to Justin. Maybe that's why Jessica had an attorney at the team meeting-because she was deemed unfit and she wanted to fight it. All speculation, of course.

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    13. McKee Kitty.. you said that by filing for parental rights and doing thimgs through the legal channel, Trista looks good. Because, who would do that and then turn around and take her child the next day.

      This is exactly what I said on December20th or so. Whatever day she did that interview and mentioned it (except was calling it "full custody " that day).

      Though there is the alternate idea- that she thought Justin would just call her first- she'd say "ha. Screw you. And I've filed papers now so good luck getting Ayla back." And that she didn't exactly do it with the intention of not looking like a suspect.

      For me either one seems more possible than anything else that gets posted about why they think "it was Justin".

      So he didn't call her. Police did. Once they were involved that morning she had to panick and involve some others to fix and smooth over this fubar situation. She hadn't thought it through when she found someone to escort Ayla and [ insert name of family or friend ] to a safe harbor while things blew over and got sorted. In the meantime her initial interviews show a young woman who was more interested in hurling "so there" statements at her ex boyfriend (sometimes lover?) than in pleading for her little girl. When asked off the cuff in early interviews Trista says she knows Justin is a good dad, loves Ayla, and would never hurt her.

      Later, as many more individuals get involved, Tristas statements vear into clearly blaming and raising suspicion on Justin. But her text messages to him show she is sorry about public perception of him and Lance too. She mentions that she wishes she had the kind of supportive family and friends he has. At this time her emotions start becoming more unpredictable and I was wondering if it was because reuniting with Ayla was looking impossible and the whole ordeal has gotten way out of her control. Is some of her clear emotion because she is realizing she didn't win Ayla back after all?

      Trista is not dumb. At some point she realized Justin and her were not going to be together, she probably was going to have to give up her daughter, and that she better cut her losses and at least press down on the pedal of the bus she was throwing Justin under. Otherwise she might end up the one on trial. She's a survivor, as has been mentioned. She knows how to manipulate so well that her stepdad believes she doesn't have the ability to lie. Come now. That's some serious ability. Because Jeff has insisted he's no one's fool.

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      hooper, thought-provoking post

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    15. Good points made re: the DHHS meeting and also aboit Jessica. Chances are DHHS really saw the nature of the problems Trista's kids were going to continue to face. Not only is the environment not conducive to nurturing or learning by most people's standards ; but the instability on the maternal side is far reaching. And they knew it. So much of Trista's family is involved in the system by some degree. The co-parent Trista leaned on was Jessica who has already had the state put her kids up for adoption. Jessica is also a known User. We have only to look at the family's statements Spring 2012 when explaining her absence since January. They claimed to have cut ties because she had doubled down on her alcohol and drug activity. (Does anyone else find this odd coming from a family reported to regularly take to recreational drug use?) Anyway.

      I can't see this meeting being about anything but assessing Justin's suitability to raising Ayla. And his willingness. I'm not familiar with CPS but this seems reasonably plausible. I fully recognize there may be reasons such a meeting would occur that I have no knowledge of. It just seems like almost a given that they could see that she's a child who is going to most likely end up as an unwed non working 20 year old mother herself if they couldn't break the pattern. Maybe that's the idealist in me but I suppose this is part of their overall goal.

      Where is Whitney? Where is Jessica? Where are Jessica and Trista's closest friends? Where is Ayla? MSP, I'd be glad to share my HiltonHonors points with you if that's whats

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    16. ...if that's keeping them from following leads out of Waterville? I agree. I'll throw in my united miles too. Anything to get them to look lively over there. Isn't this what make kids want to grow up and be cops? Rescuing the innocent and nabbing the bad guys? The chase and all that?

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  17. Mckeekitty, not addressing Trista's motivation here just want to say I disagree with your judgment about what a court would do when it came to custody. Trista was Ayla's only parent in practice for the first 18 months of her 20 month life as of Dec. Justin had not had any contact with Ayla until she was about 15 months old and then saw her only a couple times before October. Who was bonded with that baby?

    As far as DHHS and alcohol or substance abuse goes, it would be a positive that Trista took the initiative to sober up. If the court had held a hearing on the case shortly after the filing, presumably Trista would have been able to show that she remained sober.

    Children are not generally taken away from their parents for economic reasons, which would be the case if Trista's homelessness was a factor in deciding custody.

    While a court could have ruled for Justin, it isn't a foregone conclusion, and I personally think Trista had a much better chance of being the primary custodian though at that point they may have had shared custody.

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      Disagree - re: "...presumably Trista would have been able to show that she remained sober." In my opinion, there's a difference between being mandated to detox and making a personal decision. I don't see that Trista could say no to spending 10 days in a facility, not only would she lose her kids she would lose her income. When Trista said that she was still there for her kids when she was messed up, that suggests to me that she didn't see any problem with her drinking. She might have stayed sober, or might have drank as soon as she was released. We don't know. I don't believe DHHS knocks on the door to take random blood samples to see if someone has remained sober.

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    2. This also makes me think of justin having no contact or involvement in his sons life. I do not know if he is fighting for visitation or custody at this point or if there is an ongoing loving relationship established there. He has a son and hopefully a normal healthly relationship with emotional and financial support has been established and ongoing.

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    3. I believe Justin was visiting with Ayla before 18 months of age, but that is really not a factor in this case, IMO. Also, Trista did not take the initiative to sober up. According to her, she was given an ultimatum. I believe there is more to her story than what she is telling. I can't see Trista getting back custody of Ayla after 10 days of rehab. I would hope she would have more to do to prove herself before getting her child back. IMO, Justin had the best chance of getting primary custody of Ayla.

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    4. @ Disagree
      Why do you say presumably Trista would have been able to show she was able to remain sober? What if that is not true? What if she was not able to remain sober at the time?

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    5. If a hearing was held shortly after Trista detoxed, she would still have been in treatment. From what people have said, Maine doesn't have inpatient treatment programs ?

      7 days is hardly enough time to call yourself a recovered drug addict or alcoholic. It's a process. Judges have the good sense and formal education to know that.

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    6. Trista spoke of Justin's first father's day card, which would have been when she was just a few months old, on the text's Tori released. Angela Harry's account states he was unaware he had a daughter until she was 7 months old. DNA tests usually take a few months to get the results back, so this sounds about right to me.

      Trista may have been such a liar that Justin doubted Ayla was his until the test results came back. Then he saw Ayla, and knew she was his.

      My point is, I have been assuming that Trista didn't file for TANF/child support until Ray was out of the picture, but now I think that is incorrect. She filed as soon as Ayla was born. She was probably already on Medicaid (MaineCare?) during the pregnancy. We know she was on WIC. So if she was so savvy about the system, why did she wait so long to file for parental rights?

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      Grace - from u4a "Justin was ordered by DHHS to pay back child support in December 2010 after having a paternity test, so it could be said that he did not "know" he was the father until then but it is false to say he wasn’t aware of Ayla’s existence until then."

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    8. Question, I said that because she appeared to be in fact sober during the early months after Ayla was reported missing and a hearing would likely have been held in that timeframe. If she was not sober when a hearing was held, that likely would be a game-changer.

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    9. Grace, keep in mind Trista stated she still has that card. She never gave it to Justin. He did not know aboit Ayla. And I would agree that his experience of her manipulation skills may have led him to not accept it (if told sooner than reported) without a paternity test.

      I think it's as others have wondered- did it just make her look like an unlikely suspect? Let's face it, if she'd waited to sneak Ayla out until weeks after filing there was risk of some kind of negative response from authorities. (She is unlikely to have known the ins and outs well enough to have predicted accurately what happens and when in that process.) So she might have wagered in favor of grabbing Ayla before any reply came back from the filing which could have made her look like a desperate mom unable to get legal custody.

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    10. Hooper...good observations. Take a gander at this: From CNN transcripts on December 19...a mere 48 hourss after Ayla has been reported missing. Ayla's disappearence is being treated as an abduction, and yet she's already trashing Justin:

      TIRSTA REYNOLDS: No, I wanted him not to know that I was filing --
      GRACE: Why? Why didn`t you want him to know?

      TIRSTA REYNOLDS: Why didn`t I want him to know?

      GRACE: Right.

      TIRSTA REYNOLDS: Because he`s vindictive. He`s very verbally abusive towards me and anything that I say or do, he refuses to let me see my daughter, he`s refused to let me talk to her. I mean, he has never, like, once since he`s had her, since October 17th, had let me have her for one single day. So, I decided that it was time to do this the legal way and let a judge say who this child should be with. And my daughter does deserve to be with me. I`m the one who`s raised her for 18 months.
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      What stands out to me is "So, I decided that it was time to do this the legal way..."

      Verses what, Trista? The "illegal" way?

      Kinda sounds like saying I decided to purchase the candy bar instead of shoplifting it.

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    11. It kind of does McKee. But I can also see it just being as opposed to not putting a legal arrangement in place. As I understand it, Maine law views parents as having absolutely equal rights with regard to custody unless court orders exist. I also am under the impression that possession is 9/10ths so to speak. I always figured Trista could have thought she could just grab Ayla and be legally blameless other than the breaking & entering. Which she may have naively assumed would be a quiet case of he said she said. Maybe she thought that worst case scenario he'd call her and she'd say "yep i have her and now you'll be the one fighting me for her back rather than vice versa." And that he'd claim to DHHS she took Ayla; she'd refute that she had Ayla for a visit and had decided not to take her back, no more no less. That the burden of proof would be on them and in the meantime it would be nothing more than a hiccup in the process. I do think she had the motive and she had the means at least on that particular early morn.

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    12. Yeah...I knew I was reading too much into it even as I was typing, George.

      Can someone please tell me how Trista's request for Parental Rights and Responsibilities ended up on the internet? Did SHE release this? I was of the impression that custody issues are kept in the strictist of confidence. Granted, the request does not appear to be released in its entirety. But still...

      TIA!

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    13. @Mckee ~~ What stands out to me is "So, I decided that it was time to do this the legal way..."

      Verses what, Trista? The "illegal" way?

      Versus trying to work things out with justin before having to involve the courts.

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    14. Paternity tests that I had done took 3 weeks.

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      mckee - there's a parental rights and responsibilities document in the u4a links page

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      You would think right? Trista however doesn't seem to think most things should be kept in the strictest of confidence including menstrual cycles. So the answer is Trista herself put this information out there.

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    17. Thanks Kelly and Space for that information.

      oneannon...why did you have to do multiple paternity tests? Just curious...

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      oneannon...why did you have to do multiple paternity tests? Just curious...
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      To determine bio father, mother deseased. Tested 2 for parentage plus one from aunt of one of the familys and uncle of the other family. Total of 4 tests. Ran all tests through two separate labs.

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  18. I'm sorry, Disagree. A 10-day stint in detox is hardly a notary-stamp of recovery. I do not know for certain if Trista was ordered into detox or did so voluntarilly. My guess is the former, since it is my understanding it involved a violent episode with her sister, Jessica...another Reynolds that lost her children through DHHS.

    Why does Trista say she filed for custody because Justin said he was going to? That is nuts. Pre-emptive strike comes to mind.

    I agree...DHHS does not remove children based on economic factors. Loving families live in their cars and tent cities all across our land. My point is that Trista has the checkered past...please present to me Justin's checkered past.

    And I'm sorry, but Trista having Ayla for 18 out of her 20 months isn't going to cut it with me. Living couch-to-couch, motel-to-motel, is not cool in my book. Remember...there is another little child involved, and I don't think Trista's family is showing much support for Trista and/or her young son.

    But I do apprecitate the dialogue, Disagree. It is refreshing. I would like to chalk this up as one of those agreeing to disagree with all civility in play.

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      mckee - per u4a timeline -
      October 12, 2011 - Trista becoming increasing more dependent on alcohol relating to her personal life and the stresses of being a single mom with two babies had an altercation with her sister Jessica, resulting in the police being called. No charges were filed and The Maine Department of Health and Human Services (DHHS) was notified.
      October 13, 2011 - DHHS gave Trista two choices: kick the alcohol, or lose the kids. Realizing the adverse affect alcohol was having on herself and her children she admitted herself into a substance abuse treatment facility in Lewiston that afternoon. Justin was never given sole custody of Ayla . No complaints were filed with any courts or agencies. Trista never went to court and never saw a judge. DHHS had put Ayla in the joint care of Becca and Jessica while she was undergoing treatment.

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    2. THIS. How the hell did I miss this:

      DHHS had put Ayla in the joint care of Becca and Jessica while she was undergoing treatment.

      There is ABSOLUTELY more to the story than Trista is telling. DHHS placing Ayla in the custody of anybody other than Trista means that she lost custody of Ayla. Whether that was temporary or not (dependent on rehab) remains to be seen. What this does indicate is that Trista's chances of getting sole custody, or even joint custody, of Ayla were rocky. Not just because she's a drug addicted alcoholic, but because the "system" had to intervene to straighten her out. She can be commended for "getting help", but the fact of the matter is that she was basically forced into treatment.

      Courts are concerned about the best interest of the child. How would living in welfare motels with a recovering alcoholic be in Ayla's best interest? Does anyone care about that? It's bad enough that a young woman is living a transient lifestyle, but some of you are perfectly okay with dragging a child from house to house, motel to motel. What in the actual fuck? Children need stable, safe environments and responsible caregivers. Trista could not provide the former and she was determined by DHHS not to be the latter.

      There was a family team meeting. Nobody likes to discuss that, but as I have said before, at family team meetings a safety plan is usually developed. The circumstances of the case are discussed, progress is examined (depending on how far along the child has been removed), or arrangements are discussed (such as visitation).

      I do not for ONE SECOND believe that Trista was to get custody of Ayla (or Baby Ray) as soon as she detoxed for 7 days. Where I live, once a child has been removed, a parent cannot even VISIT a child until the parent has passed 3 consecutive, randomly administered drug/alcohol tests. If the parent fails a test, it starts over. Believe me, there are parents who have not seen their children, even for supervised visitation, because they cannot get clean and stay that way.

      One other thing I would LOVE to know about: Trista says that she asked Justin if Ayla could spend the night with her. If I remember correctly, Trista says that Justin told her that she was not "allowed" to have Ayla. Supposedly, when Trista asked why she was not allowed to have Ayla, Justin said "because you're not going to tell me what to do." (That's me paraphrasing, even though I used quotes.)Not only does that response not make sense, I believe it to be a lie used to cover up the real answer that Trista received.

      Does anybody think that the real reason Justin said Trista was not allowed to have Ayla had to do with a safety plan as determined by DHHS? I do!! I do!!! Methinks Trista thought Justin would break the rules DHHS imposed and allow her visits with Ayla that she was not supposed to be having. Think about it.

      None of us know the status of Baby Ray. Just because we saw Trista with him publicly does NOT mean that she has full, unrestricted custody of him.

      That is all. I typed a book. Oopsie!

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    3. What father would "allow" a mother to take his child over night before it was determined that she was fit to do so. I agree I doubt he said those words. It has been said in fact that Justin went out of his way to allow Trista to visit Ayla in his home. Something he was not ordered to do.

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    4. IMO, you typed a good book, Obscure.

      DHHS was not going to order Ayla returned to Trista. Ayla had stability in the DiPietro household...Trista had no such stability.

      I remain confused and on the fence. But there is something way off about the timing of filed custody papers and this child going missing.

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    5. @Anontoo, I think Justin DID say those words. But I think he said she was not "allowed" to have Ayla because he was complying with a DHHS order/agreement.

      You also said:

      "It has been said in fact that Justin went out of his way to allow Trista to visit Ayla in his home. Something he was not ordered to do."

      I think he WAS ordered to do this in a roundabout way; meaning, Trista's visits with Ayla were to be supervised by him or a family member.

      I'm speculating 100%, but something tells me there is more to this than what we've been led to believe!

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    6. @Mckee, I agree. Something is wayyyy off. Why not file for custody or do something IMMEDIATELY. Why not file right after Ayla broke her arm?

      Trista has said she doubts the story of the arm break, why didn't she take action?

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      mckee - re: "But there is something way off about the timing of filed custody papers and this child going missing."

      and when you add to that the fact that Trista, who lives an hour and a half away and hardly ever goes anywhere, happened to be going through the area the precise morning her daughter disappeared - and then couldn't be reached on the phone for an hour and a half - it's all very strange

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    8. Where was baby Ray that morning...hmmm

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      Sorry I was agreeing. It was the other part I was saying I doubted he said. The part about her saying "your not going to tell me what to do".

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    10. Looking At The Facts9/18/12, 6:46 AM

      Just found this article and it makes a couple great points. As we know LE has been very tight lipped about everything in this case. So many Trista supporters use the fact that Ayla had a broken arm while in Justin's care as proof of child abuse. On Day 4 LE stated the broken arm was from an accidental fall. I am sure they investigated this before making that statement since that is one of the few statements they have made

      Hanson said Ayla was with her father when she broke her arm. Police have said the child's arm was broken in an accidental fall about three weeks ago, but have declined to provide further details.

      Also with the whole Trista filing for custody or parent rights this is what was said

      Ayla's mother told ABC's "Good Morning America" on Monday that she had filed paperwork seeking sole custody of the toddler Thursday, the day before the toddler was last seen. Trista Reynolds filed a complaint against DiPietro for determination of paternity, parental rights and responsibilities and child support, according to documents obtained Monday from Cumberland County Superior Court in Portland.

      http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/weve-ruled-nothing-out_2011-12-20.html

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    11. more questions9/18/12, 7:22 AM

      @Obscure-I think you are absolutely correct about Trista not automatically getting Ayla back. In fact, Trista told us-she just doesn't know that she did.

      Remember when Trista was going to sue DHHS?

      http://boston.cbslocal.com/2012/02/14/mother-of-missing-maine-toddler-considers-lawsuit-against-state/

      From the article:
      ***She says she was in rehab for alcohol abuse when DHHS sent Ayla to live with her father, Justin DiPietro.

      But she says, that agreement came with conditions, including background checks on everyone in DiPietro’s house as well as frequent well-child visits to check on Ayla.

      “It was agreed on paper while I was in rehab,” says Reynolds, who says the agreement happened, “In front of two DHHA workers, the supervisor, doctors and an attorney. And you’re going to tell me you didn’t check on my daughter? Give me one good reason into why you didn’t check on my daughter.”***

      So, this agreement was at the team meeting. That would've been on October 20th according to the Reynold's own timeline.

      ***October 20th 2011, 2pm - A "family team meeting" was held. Among those present were; Trista, Jessica, Justin (via phone), Jessica's attorney, two doctors, two DHHS case workers, and the CPS supervisor. At the end of the meeting, all parties agreed (including Justin) that Ayla would be returned to Trista after completion of her seven day evaluation. Justin was also ordered by DHHS to bring Ayla to the treatment facility the following day for a visit with Trista, and to release her into the care of Trista (at Jessica's Apartment) on October 22nd or according to the CPS supervisor "there would be consequences". ***

      So here's the question. Why would Trista sue DHHS for not checking on Ayla when, according to the timeline, Ayla wasn't even supposed to be with Justin? Why would DHHS agree on paper to do frequent checks on Ayla if it was agreed that Ayla would be returned to Trista in two days?


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    12. And none of this matters because we all know baby Ray is fine and Trista had nothing to do with Ayla's disappearance! You people are just grasping at straws instead of looking at what is in front of your face. . . I totally believe LE when they state that the 3 adults home that nigth are not being honest and forthcoming. . . . soooooo why are they not speaking and being honest so we can get some answers as to Ayla's whereabouts? Justin has been offered interviews recently and he has declined. . . why wouldn't he want to keep Ayla's name out there and plead to the so-called "kidnappers" Can you answer this for me?

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    13. Sorry to post this again, but I believe it is relevant to the topic of discussion.

      From the Bangor Daily News on January 16:

      "Reynolds also responded to reports that DiPietro sent her a text message in the days before Ayla disappeared saying that he was worried someone might take the little girl. Reynolds said that’s a sentiment she has heard from DiPietro numerous times, including long before Ayla went missing. She said she took those statements to mean that he feared she or one of her family members would show up one day to take custody of Ayla.

      “Justin thought that a lot,” said Reynolds. “He always thought that I would be the one to take her. I always wondered why he was so scared about that. Now that people are bringing it to my attention, I’m going back and saying, wait a minute. I never went to get her because I thought she was OK and well cared for.”
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      Please read that last sentence again.

      This is MONTHS after the bruising, pulled leg muscle and broken arm incident.

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      first thought: she's either lying or rationalizing her disregard for not seeing Ayla and her concerns for Ayla's well-being.

      The statement "He always thought I would be THE ONE to take her." seems odd to me. Had she said "He always thought I would take her." would be different - adding "the one to" seems to suggest she's saying someone else took her.

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      Who offered Justin interviews?

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      more questions 7:22am - excellent point!

      Indeed, how frequently could DHHS do well-checks on Ayla in a 2 day period? Part of that time on the first day was supposedly to be spent taking Ayla to visit Trista in rehab.

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      anon 9:21 - we don't all know that baby Ray is fine or that Trista had nothing to do with Ayla's disappearance

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    18. @More questions- excellent observation. I don't think I've seen anyone point that out before and I hadn't caught it either.

      One thing is for sure. There are a lot of concrete lies and misinformation coming from one side... the maternal fam. We can do nothing but suppose or presume lies coming from the father's family.

      The list is growing by the month. And the weird thing is that when heir information or statements are determined to be wrong, the public that blindly supports them act like nothing happened and sweep it under the rug. But the tiniest correction on any small thing by this side or the paternal family (which has happened only once) is called lies and harped on forever as proof.

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  19. Fan of Truth and Common Sense9/17/12, 10:59 PM

    I'm posting this as a general comment here, as opposed to replying to any of the threads above, because it covers many areas and is a summation of how I feel tonight.

    I feel whiny. What would make an adult feel "whiny" much less admit to feeling that way? Glad you asked (:-)). I feel whiny because the more I read, the more I just want to throw up my hands in exasperation and cry!

    On one hand, I am heartened by the amount of people who seem to genuinely care about what happened to Ayla. The strong opinions that have come out here and in other places where Ayla is discussed, show that Ayla matters to so many people. On the other hand, I am so discouraged when I read comments from people who are unwilling to even entertain the NOTION that their opinions might be wrong. I'm referring to people on both "sides" when I say that, by the way, and I'm NOT referring to those of you who have engaged in polite thought provoking discourse here. I'm grateful for all of those that do that, no matter which "side" (or "center") you hail from.

    So, I'm going to address all those that aren't still questioning, who HAVE made up their minds, one way or another and who won't allow for even a tiny sliver of doubt to enter into their minds:

    Unless you are the actual person who DOES KNOW from direct involvement or because you were an eyewitness, what happened to Ayla, how can you have such conviction in your OPINION? WHY are you SO certain that you are right and that anyone who disagrees with you is wrong? You may feel that the circumstances, "evidence", and other information you've heard and seen to date are compelling reasons for your opinion, but the same can be said for the person who believes the exact opposite of you. Why is it impossible to see that the answer may lie somewhere in the middle? It may be that YOU might be right about some things, and THEY might be right about some things, and that NO ONE, save for the person(s)who actually DID something to Ayla, KNOWS for sure. KJ said this in her open letter to all of us, but it bears repeating, "Do you really KNOW? Do you?

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      Well stated, Fan.

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    2. Fan of Truth and Common Sense.... Great post. It was the combination of the question, "Do I really know?" that I asked of myself and the information and posts I read here (and elsewhere) that cause me to look at other things. I took myself out of my conclusions and away from my pre-conceived notions and tried to look at what I knew and what I was assuming with an open mind. After doing do, I realized that the information I thought I knew, wasn't verifiable or from a reliable source. And if that is the case, I could not possibly reach the conclusions I thought were valid. Now I am looking things over with a different mindset. - KJ

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    3. Fan of Truth and Common Sense9/18/12, 5:54 PM

      Thanks More Q's and KJ. I was pretty tired when I wrote that last night, so I was a bit worried that in the light of day it would come off sounding just whiny, instead of whiny AND genuinely concerned and perplexed.

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    4. Nope, it didn't, Fan.

      But I think we all can identify with that now and again. This case is by no means cut and dry.

      Appreciate your thoughts. And I agree.

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  20. I haven't seen many post much thought on bob vear other than creepy feelings. Is it possible that thru Lance, Bob learned of a niece and saw photos on his cell phone or??? In light of his "manhood" being surgically removed he obsessed and acted out. Kidnapping her and then harming her out of frustration of his manhood surgery? Perhaps his vigil was guilt? LE states that the suspect often visits and follows their crime. I just find him a bit creepy and think more needs to be looked into with Bob Vear. If Lance was comfortable enough to spend Christmas day with Bob's family I find it hard to believe that they "hardly"knew each other before hand.

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      windstorm - I have wondered about Bob as well, especially after Obscure's post last week.

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    2. Unless Lance really is a pretty nice guy, was told by Vear that he was on his last few months, was invited to dinner by a friendly if eccentric old dude who he felt badly for, and attended. Some people have been taught that you do not turn down invitations to someone's home for a meal if you don't have to. (That's true- not just my opinion or guess- it is one type of principle some hold.)

      So having worked in restaurants before, especially local haunts, I know how locals can feel like they "know" the staff of a place. And staff, having business to consider and knowing friendliness and public relations are part of the success factor, will often be pals with customers to a certain degree. It is usually picked up from managment and carried out by lower tier employees.

      It really could be that Lance wasn't hardly acquainted w/ Vear.

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      Does anyone else remember how Bob deceitfully had Lance talking with a "friend" of his at the restaurant Lance works at? Then revealed the friend was a producer from the Today show? It's curious why Bob inserted himself so deeply into this case.

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    4. more questions9/18/12, 3:10 PM

      Yes, Space. Shady. And weird.

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    5. Was this Christmas dinner? Not the day that one would share with an allmost stranger which leads me to believe that lance and veer knew one another a bit more than casual. Given how open veer is with telling his whole story and not leaving out gorry details I feel lance was also aware of veers past criminal history.
      vers interest in a missing childs case, and placing himself as an active and visable voice is suspect in my opinion.

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    6. From Maineyankee (Bob Vear) on Roll it Up on January 21:

      Good Day Doggies:

      So sorry that I have been unable these past few days to post. I have been really busy with something that I would like to share with you ...

      For the past month, a friend of mine (25 years younger than I) had his niece abducted from their home in the middle of the night. At first LEO's were stating that it was a missing child, and for the past two weeks, changed it to, possible foul play. The little girl's name is Ayla, and from Maine. My friend and I are tight, as he always turned to me for guidance when things where going south for him. When I learned of this happening a month ago, I put my hand out, and he grabbed it. I did not want him to be alone on Christmas, so my family invited him over, just so that he could get away from it all, at least for a few hours. We have remained tight throughout, but they have had very little to say, or help out, especially with the media.

      Behind the scenes, but with his knowledge, I have been working with NBC and the Today Show. I, as well as many others across this State, Country and even Canada, are doing what we can do bring Ayla home, safe and sound. We have never, nor will we, give up hope that she be safely returned home to her Mom and Dad, even though they are not together any longer (prior to this event). Tonight, at 11:30 PM, despite my usual bedtime of 9:00 pm, I was interviewed by NBC and the Today show, for an update that will air in the morning at 7:30 EST. It was something that I needed to do, for I need to keep Ayla's name in the forefront of all media.

      All day long, I reached out to my friend, and he never returned a call nor any of my countless texts. They were in essence, that now was the prime opportunity of placing a cry for help. I take it as they are scared to talk to the media, for they feel that every time they do, it gets twisted around. I repeatedly told him, as well as Ayla's father, that this was not the case, and that if they were uncomfortable to answer a specific question, all they had to say was that they did not want to answer it. Simple enough. They have not been asking for any coverage nationally, but stay local and only with newsprint. (Circulation appx 20,000). Here I am, not even affiliated other than a friend, and I just did an interview that will be reached out to over 8 Million viewers. I know if I was in their shoes, I think I would have grabbed hold and gone with it, despite any fear about myself, but to have my child returned home, safe and sound.

      I think I may have lost a friend, whose friendship I cherished and loved. But it is not about a friendship to me. It is about finding a Lost and Missing Child. Period.

      I thank you so very much for allowing me the opportunity to share, and also vent my frustration on this matter that has plagued me for over a month. If you wish, you may post here, or PM me. I love all my friends here on Doggie Nuts, for I feel at home, and a part of Community and Friendship with all that enter this great thread.

      God Bless ~ And Let's Get Ayla Home
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      I don't know, Bob. I think Lance may have taken issue with your admission of being a pedophile while inserting yourself deeply into his niece's case. Just a hunch...


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    7. Or he just enjoyed the attention he received from this case. He was promoting himself as a do gooder. And the Today Show people were using him and that too he loved. He seemed to think he was an important go between for them. Only he was not.

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    8. Lance did not spend Christmas day with Bob. He may have stopped by. Yes probably for the reasons that Hooper pointed out. And maybe Bob's family was eating at the time. But Lance spent the day with his family. And I am not sure who said Lance hardly knew Bob. I think it would be better to say that Lance knew Bob but they were not friends. They knew each other through work. Bob was an old man who just was not one of Lance's friends. He was just someone that Lance knew.

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    9. KM is exactly right. This man is self congratulatory and arrogant. This is the nonsense talk he always engaged in. He pretends to be humble and say "oh it's not about me....it's all about this little girl.......and all that I and countless others, and me among them, have done and continue to do,without thought of ourselves. We will never give up on my grandaughter who I have decided to call my own when she is actually the daughter of a stranger but I do so for no other purpose than gaining media attention for her. MY grand. (That's what I call my grandkids who all love a special papa boot hug.) I am a humble man who doesn't think too much of myself but I must tell you that I have become very important to NBC and I now have connections. So even though no one else cares about her, *I* will keep carrying this badge of courage and keeping the porch light burning. With a green light bulb. That is all. "

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    10. Who is mcleelitty? Is that McKee w/a typo or... someone spoofing her name?

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    11. Pollyanna...I misspelled my own user name! Sorry for the confusion. No spoof.

      Yeah...Vear is one strange dude. That said, I just have to trust that LE has given Bob a good hard look. I hope that isn't naive on my part.

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    12. I think lance had contact with veer for discount smoking material but that is just an opinion.

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  21. Grace after being chastised by you obscure is already being a liar/manipulative psycho on her blog... AGAIN http://justiceforayla.org/a-very-public-apology/ I bet she'll be back in a week talking about all of her fake jobs with the FBI and her ~astrological abilities and how she is a victim and blah blah blah.

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      Thanks for the link, anon.

      Grace - nicely said.

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    2. I agree, nicely said Grace.

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  22. A special pappa boot hug.
    Quivers chills and nausea.

    Words of a pedophile
    Our special time/place/game
    Our secret time/place/game

    Fixation and or obsession/ possession. Yep he creeps me way way way out there

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    1. Me too... something is really not right. :(

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  23. Grace and Obscure are too busy worrying about poor Tori G. opening up her blog again. Even naming it something other than Ayla Reynolds blog will create a better atmosphere than you pink blogshits have made. Kudos to Tori, John P. and all the Ayla's Angels who decry your stupid words.

    BTW, mckitti litter, you are a big hypocrite.

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    1. A big hypocrite? Why? Because I made a decision to stop condemning a family and participating in a witchhunt?

      I'm going to withhold judgement until the day LE closes in on a suspect(s). I wish I had taken this position from Day One, but I did not.

      Cute user name...glad you got this case all solved in your biased pea brain. Now why don't you take your issue up with MSP and demand an arrest TODAY.

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    2. McKeekitty: Did you make a decision to stop condemning both families or a family?

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    3. I condemned the DiPietros. I qustion Trista. I question Bob Vear. I question Derek Tudela. I question the possiblility of an unknown or unnamed individual.

      Condemning is bad stuff, especially when the MSP spokesman says publicly that this case if "far-reaching."

      Now please stay in your U4A playpen.

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    4. @ McKeekitty: I think you mean 'is' far-reaching (not) if far-reaching. Nevertheless, You still did not answer the question. "Because I made a decision to stop condemning [a family ]and participating in a witchhunt"? Now, Please read slowly. Did-you-make-a-decision-to-stop-condemning-both-families-or-a-family? Damn, Mckeekitty you slipping. How about questioning Justin?

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    5. @Anon I can answer that. Mckee has questioned Justin and many other things and people already. So it is pretty clear to me that what McKee is saying is that at this point he/she is choosing to continue to question many things and withhold judgement until there is a suspect in custody. Maybe you should read slowly. If McKee says he is withholding judgement until LE closes in on a suspect then to me that means yes both families. No judgement = no condemning. Of anyone until until LE closes in on a suspect.

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    6. @ Kelly: Interesting response. One minute you are unsure of McKee's gender (he/she) and the next, McKee is a (he). Which one is it? Any who, glad to know Mckee is willing to withhold judgement on BOTH families until LE closes in on a suspect(s). Next time, let him or her answer his or her questions. Seems you don't know Mckee as well as you think.

      @ vs2vs: Please refer to the last two sentences in the above statement. In reference to your question: Are you new? The answer is no. Obscure and I go wwwaaayyy back. Right Obscure?
      Thanks and enjoy the rest of the evening.

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    7. Get lost, Jeff.

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    8. @Anon

      I don't know McKee at all. Did not feel like typing out he/she each time. So sue me. But I did feel like I knew what he OR she was saying and clearly you DID NOT. And if you do not like the way things work on this blog maybe you should go back to your own. Here we all jump in and answer a question if we think we know the answer. Especially if someone seems especially challenged and in need of help understanding. Just trying to help out.

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    9. @Kelly: Your statement is like your asshole. Filthy, smelly and full of shit. I comprehend quite well, thank you very much.

      sn: One more thing. YOU, feel like you knew what he or she was saying and clearly you DO NOT. It's actually quite simply what was implied. McKee, " I made a decision to stop condemning a family..." Kelly, my dear, (a family) means ONE family. Seems, you are the challenged one. Do you understand now?

      Good Bye

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    10. Hey Jeff! A few questions:

      Why didn't you give Trista and her two young children shelter during your step-daughter's time of need?

      Why did you find it necessary to start not one, not two, but three blogs given you didn't give a shit about Trista?

      Why did the "marriage" between you and Tori abrubly end when the blogs merged?

      Why did you abandon your own blog?

      Why didn't you even make a point to meet John P and others from U4A at the bike event?

      Why can't your estranged wife and step-daughter complete poly's. Why haven't YOU submitted to one?

      What gives with the gun detail, Jeff? Did Phoebe really say she had a gun?

      I think kitty is right...we know who you are.

      Hope you are serious with your "Good Bye."

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    11. @Anon
      McKee was never condemning two families. So there was no need for them to stop condemning more than one. And now they are saying they will not condemn period. So again you are the challenged one. Why do you keep saying goodbye and yet you are still here?

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    12. @ anon, 9/22/12 5:44 pm.

      Hmmm, perception can be so different, see, I preceive you as the challenged one.

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    13. Fan of Truth and Common Sense9/22/12, 10:54 PM

      When young children get frustrated or angry in their interactions, they sometimes act out to convey their feelings. The "acting out" could take the form of physical aggression or sometimes be manifested in the use of vulgar language. Often this is because the child has not yet developed suitable self expression skills and lacks self-control. Sometimes is is for shock value or for attention. As children mature, they learn socially appropriate ways to express their feelings, and the need to "act out" goes away.

      Thank you, anonymous person, for providing us with a clear indicator of your maturity level in your response. Now that we know we are dealing with a child, we can ignore you, since this discussion is not geared towards children.

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    14. Anon : I think both McKee and Kelly answered welk enough that a third person/4th explanation shouldn't be necessary. However you still aren't understanding.

      Let's go to the original post in which McKee says she/he decided to STOP condemning a family...

      The key word is STOP. By using it, she (or he) was relaying to us that she HAD previously done so. What this likely would mean is that the poster had not previously been condemning another family. Therefore it's a statement that is not confusing or wrong. Those of us who recognize that one can only STOP doing something they were previously doing were not confused. I hope this clears things up for you. I'd like to take this moment to remind you that none of us knows exactly what crime(s) were committed nor do we know who is guilty. You can disagree with the thoughts here if you'd like but it won't change that we're allowed to speak them.

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    15. the space between9/23/12, 10:29 AM

      I understood both Kelly and mckee.

      Kelly - You have remarkable class and kindness to respond as you have.

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    16. Captain Save A Hoe to the rescue, AGAIN. If you can find more than two Goodbyes, I will kiss your nasty ass. I signed off with:

      * Thanks and enroy the rest of the evening.
      * How about questioning Justin?

      So...as you can clearly see, I have not repeated the word, Goodbye. Stop injecting your own short comings into someone's else's statement and believing it to be true. Now, if YOU don't mind, how about we get back to discussing what's really important here. Ayla Bell Reynolds and who's responsible for her disappearance, eh. I will start with a question that I haven't seen addressed.

      Did Courtney physically see Ayla and interact with her when she came for the weekend or did someone in the house tell her Ayla was asleep in bed?

      G'Day
      (do not confuse with goodbye)

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    17. @Anon

      Okay let's do it. I am all for discussing who is responsible for Ayla's disappearance. Typically in missing children's cases parents are responsible. So let's look at which parent had the most motive.

      What are the personality profiles of par­ents
      who may pose an abduction risk?:

      ❉ Profile l: Parents who have threatened to
      abduct or have abducted previously

      ❉ Profile 2: Parents who are suspicious or
      distrustful because of their belief that abuse
      has occurred and who have social support
      for their belief

      ❉ Profile 3: Parents who are paranoid

      ❉ Profile 4: Parents who are sociopathic.

      ❉ Profile 5: Parents who have strong ties to
      another country and are ending a mixedculture marriage.

      ❉ Profile 6: Parents who feel disenfranchised
      from the legal system (e.g., those who are
      poor, a minority, or victims of abuse) and
      have family and social support.

      ❉ A criminal record

      ❉ Reacted jealously to or felt threatened by
      the other parent’s remarriage or new ro­
      mantic involvement.

      ❉ A history of marital instability, lack of coop­
      eration with the other parent, domestic vio­
      lence, or child abuse.

      *No financial reason to stay in the area (e.g.,
      the parent is unemployed, able to work
      anywhere, or is financially independent)

      ❉ Previously abducted or threatened to abduct
      the child. Some threats are unmistakable,
      such as when an angry or vindictive parent
      verbally threatens to kidnap the child so
      that “you will never see the child again.”
      Others are less direct. For instance, you
      may learn about the other parent’s plans
      through casual conversation with your child.

      Sorry I do not know the answer to your other question about Courtney. And as for Justin it seems to me he has been questioned ad nauseam.

      Okay so anyone want to add to our discussion? I will leave it to others to weigh in and based on the above profile give their opinions.

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    18. *Only about one child out of each 10,000 missing children reported to the local police is not found alive. However, about 20 percent of the children reported to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children in nonfamily abductions are not found alive.

      *Family kidnapping is committed primarily by parents, involves a larger percentage of female perpetrators (43 percent) than other types of kidnapping offenses, occurs more frequently to children under 6, equally victimizes juveniles of both sexes, and most often originates in the home.http://www.parents.com/kids/safety/stranger-safety/child-abduction-facts/

      Reasons why family members become abductors:

      They are dissatisfied with custody decision in court
      They have been denied visitation for not paying child support
      They are protecting the child and/or themselves from abuse
      They are angry with the break-up of the relationship
      They are angry with the other parent's new partner/lifestyleFamily/Parental abduction findings:

      78% of abductors are the non-custodial parent
      35% of children were between 6-11 years old
      24% of the abductions lasted between 1 week and 1 month
      82% of abductors intended to affect custody permanently
      21 % are other relatives
      42% of children were living with a single parent
      15% were living with another relative/foster parent
      66% were taken by a male relative http://www.childfindofamerica.org/information.htm

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  24. I got problems with a few ppl and now theyre gonna hear about it9/19/12, 3:53 PM

    Poor Ayla-she is just a magnet for freaks. Grace is semi-nuts, yes, but even nuts have rational thoughts now and again, and Tori was banking on her discrediting of Grace to remove her believability.Grace knows stuff about the backdoor wheeling and dealing. Grace didnt' hack Tori's emails, she didn't have to because Tori was so torked up on herself she forwarded PRIVATE emails like a lunatic. Such an important girl Miss Gifford is. Where does she find the time with her oozing uterus, daily bf beatings and sticky fingers stealing? And she cries like a dumb bitch when Trista tells her to fuck the hell off and stay away from all that is Ayla. Tori has disrespected Trista if that is even possible. Licking a pedo's suttered scrotum just for a blog entry reeks of class. Anything for an attention hard on , right Tori? Repeating private convos through her geezer blog hubby Jeffrey. She is a real winner.I think I will refer to her as 'skidmark'.

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    1. I got my first computer 23 years ago and have been on the internet since the early 90's. It is my impression that people's emails and accounts do not get "hacked" as much as people state. There were always gamers who complained about their accounts being "hacked" when what really happened was they gave their password to a friend (who shared). What the gamers didn't remember was that once they gave their password to a friend, they no longer controlled who that friend gave the password to. That is not hacking! I think the word hacking has been used too often by careless people. I'm not saying hacking does not happen, it does, but I don't believe it happens as often as people claim. Just my two cents worth about hacking. - KJ

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    2. Nobody hacked Grace's emails either...

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  25. © Grace Wilson 2012. This article is published with permission from Grace Wilson. All rights reserved.


    LMFAO
    Anyone else find this completely hilarious, that someone would copyright a BOGUS, Made-up, FICTIOUS name to a bunch of strangers on the internet ? Someone's head is getting bigger with self importance than John P's hard-on since he took over the creaky old short bus at U4A. Get over yourself you freaking weirdo!No wonder this mystery hasn't been solved, some serious morons chopping the shit out of the facts and throwing their mental- illness infested selves into the mix ....and don't get me started on the dum dum crew over at U4A...DUH...


    © You're a Big Fat IDIOT 2012

    ps-a select few and the blog mistress are excluded from this revelation.

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  26. Closed for comments? Kelly and I have theories to discuss concerning who is responsible for Ayla's disappearance.

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