Trista makes the statement calmly, she is composed throughout the entire interview. Watching old interviews and news reports is intriguing, at least to me.
No disputing it. Watch the video for yourself!
Update: Adding the comment where Jeff discusses the blood. Thanks for sending this to me.
No there's no disputing it. That's what she said.
ReplyDeleteIn context it makes perfect sense. This interview was Dec. 29. Within days, the DiPietros would be lawyered up. Not sure on the exact timing but if it's 30 days notice, the grand jury subpoenas would have issued the first week of Jan.
Whether the info was public or not, police presumably knew then Ayla wasn't kidnapped and likely dead. They were probably suggesting this to Trista if they didn't tell her outright. How could they not when they were about to start grand jury proceedings?
A grand jury is often used to preserve testimony in case a case stays open for years to come. It can be a way of gathering and preserving testimony from many individuals who police feel could have information pertaining to the case.
DeleteI looked back at news articles and on the 27th police announced foul play and said someone removed her from the home. Trista may very well have had a heads up as to what that meant that wasn't spelled out to the public.
DeleteYes police changed the terms of the case after determining that they did not believe that Ayla walked out of the house on her own. Therefore suspecting "foul play".
DeleteKidnapping falls under the terms of foul play by LE.
I watched that video earlier today also. She can say conflicting things in the same sentence... (he never let me see her/when he did let me see her).
ReplyDeleteAlso, she said ALL SHE WANTED was for Justin to talk to her. Really? That's all?
Except he was talking to her. Apparently a lot. Talk about saying conflicting things.
DeleteNot then he wasn't. All the texts came later.
DeleteI assure you he was talking to her everyday. Several times a day. Right from the very start. This is something that Trista does not want to dispute trust me. She will get caught in another lie if she does.
DeleteBut oh that's right she already did lie about it. To the entire nation several times in fact without even blinking.
anon 826 - That doesn't surprise me. Perhaps this is a rhetorical question, but seriously, what is wrong with her??
DeleteIs it possible she meant that he wasn't talking to her about specific things?
DeleteLike a woman who says to her husband (or vise versa), "you never talk to me."? Of course they converse, but it is meant a different way.
A lot of people over use the word "never".
In this case she should be more careful and more specific of what she means. I'm just asking if it is possible. I've recently started thinking that a lot of things have been misconstrued, miscommunicated, and misunderstood. I do think some lies have been told, stupidly, out of fear of looking bad or wrong.
Trista gets a do-over?
DeleteWe are supposed to give her slack, but not anyone else.
To answer your question--no, she said exactly what she wanted the public to believe.
@Anonymous9:06
DeleteWhat?
I do not think Trista could have been more clear. And I do not think she could have said it more. Here it is again:
“Just come talk to me,’’ Reynolds responded when asked what she would like to say to DiPietro. “He is the only one who can answer some of my questions. We have a daughter that is missing. We used to be able to get along all the time. Just talk to me. That’s all I want. He was the last one to see her alive. Just talk to me.’’
Reynolds is ambivalent about whether she believes DiPietro was involved in Ayla’s disappearance.
“I don’t know,’’ she said. “Part of me feels yes, and a part of me feels no. He said he’s not in hiding, but why won’t he come out? Why won’t he talk to me? Why is he staying away? What is he so afraid of, to not come out and talk to me?’’
She says over and over that Justin will not talk to her. And yet he was talking to her. Sorry I agree with Obscure. Why are we supposed to give her slack over and over and no one else?
re: anon 906, I'm familiar with your example with the husband and wife, my mom has said that many, many times... but not in the context of something so important, and not to anyone outside the family.
DeleteAs was pointed out, Trista was very specific. As Justin said early on - LE has his phone records - so why would Trista lie at all, about anything, ever to do with her daughter's disappearance? Does she realize she complicates the case more than it already is? Is that what she wants or does she not care?
@anon 906
DeleteI'd really like to see what Peeeter has to say about this. According to him, it's those slip ups that tell the whole story. That 'never' would have been torn the hell apart if Justin had said it. Oh yeah..I forgot..this is princess Trista. I sure hope Alex keeps her spinning on that pedestal ;-)
"I assure you he was talking to her everyday. Several times a day. Right from the very start."
DeleteCould you please provide a source or link that supports your statement? Is there someone--other than a DiPietro, Roberts, Tudela, or Harry that can corroborate this? Thanks!
No link. But if Trista wants to continue with that lie I say go ahead Trista dig yourself a deeper hole. Because that truth can be proven.
DeleteI find this to be one of the most interesting aspects of this case. See Anon comment above at 9/3/12, 1:02 am
DeleteI need to ask how many rational people there are out there who can see the ridiculousness of the question they asked. Anon... please note the problem here. The people who might have the information that you seek have been discounted by you and others on your side. they have been discounted precisely because they've come out strong with that which they *do* know since the beginning. They've admitted to not knowing other things, and have made character-witnessed based statements about other things. Ironically, because they do know the Dipietro family, anything that they state has been discounted. It's nonsense. The big point being, if there were ANYONE else who heard/saw the interactions or conversations between Justin and Trista in the first days/weeks you'd count it as a lie unless it came from Trista's side. (remembering, Trista was living alone in a motel for the entire 7 weeks after Ayla's disappearance while Justin was living with his whole family, his girlfriend, and his close friend's entire family)
WHO would you expect would have this information (and share it) other than those who in fact saw and heard Justin's conversations with Trista? Or who had relayed to them the things that were said during conversations? Please remember that Justin was living around a lot of people at the time and was bound to mention these texts or calls to them at some point; and that they were bound to be present when some of them ocurred. by contrast, Trista was holed up in a motel room with baby Ray. I'm certain 18 month old Ray isn't going to have a lot to say on this matter. I guess you'll have to go with the old standby we've come to know "If Trista doesn't state it, it didn't happen."
Veronica
Very good points, Veronica.
Delete"WHO would you expect would have this information (and share it) other than those who in fact saw and heard Justin's conversations with Trista? Or who had relayed to them the things that were said during conversations? Please remember that Justin was living around a lot of people at the time and was bound to mention these texts or calls to them at some point; and that they were bound to be present when some of them ocurred. by contrast, Trista was holed up in a motel room with baby Ray"
DeleteWell said Veronica and a good point. It's difficult to be objective when one has made up there mind that a particular side is false all the time and another is truthful all the time. If one takes a step back and looks at everything said with more objectivity, it becomes clearer what makes sense and what does not. - KJ
Thanks Veronica. I'm happy to see that there is still some out there with some common sense.
DeleteHello S., glad to see you back! Missed you! :)
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(((((((S)))))))! Was missing you!
DeleteObscure says: "Watching old interviews and news reports is intriguing, at least to me."
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I agree. With no new updates, it is fascinating to see what was said, who said it, and how it was/is being perceived.
Personally, I'm not putting much emphasis on Trista dropping the 'ALIVE' bomb. I'm cutting her some slack on that one. She has made contradictions far more damning than "alive."
For example...just on the previous thread, Trista made it perfectly clear that she was filing for "parental rights and responsibilities" in her Today Show interview. In her phone call to Nancy Grace, Trista made it perfectly clear she was seeking "full custody" of Ayla on September 15.
These distinctions are important. "Parental rights and responsibilities" strongly suggests joint custody and/or a satisfactory co-parenting arrangement. "Full custody" strongly suggests primary physical custody.
Trista puts her foot further in her mouth when she cites Justin telling her he was going to go for custody of Ayla as a reason for her filing FIRST. This sounds like a pre-emptive strike, and rather juvenile IMO. Family courts don't take the party initiating the filings into consideration.
mckeekitty, I strongly suggest that you do a little research regarding what filing for "Parental Rights and Responsibilities" means in the state of Maine before you make such assumptions. I also suggest that you research the two different meanings of the term "full custody" which can mean full legal custody, full physical custody, or both. I really don't understand why you would criticize something that you obviously know very little about.
DeleteAnonymous 7:16...thank you. I will do so. You seem to have knowledge on these points, but yes...I will do my own homework as suggested regarding Family Law in the state of Maine.
DeleteTrista took issue with Matt Lauer, and made it clear that she was seeking "parental rights and responsibilites." With Nancy Grace, Trista was comfortable stating she was seeking "full custody." Common sense tells me there is a distinction between these courses of custodial action.
I will do my homework. But I think my original question has merit. Why did Trista feel a need to change the wording regarding custody in two separate broadcasts?
From what I understand, the word "custody" in Maine is the equivalent of "Parental Rights and Responsibilities".
DeleteYou're right McKee, Trista didn't correct Nancy Grace or any other outlet when they said that.
An even bigger question is why WOULDN'T she be filing for sole custody if Ayla was being abused? The sole custody isnt hard to believe when you have Trista saying she knew she didn't have to "share" Ayla...
oops- posted this at the end of the wrong thread the first time. I meant to put it here:
DeleteHere is what is stated on that NBC link above:
"She disputed reports that she filed for sole custody of Ayla a day before she disappeared, telling Lauer she filed for “parental rights and responsibilities, and that’s it.’’ She also denied having anything to do with Ayla going missing."
She disputed and differentiated.
So, anon that came after McKee for pointing it out, maybe Trista and NBC need to do their homework too?
McKee, I hope that it is evident to all that those who were seeing things from this perspective from early on should never have been personally attacked and discredited.
LB
Thank you, LB.
DeleteEvery now and then I remember something useful. Lol. No problem Mckee.
DeleteLeanne B (just adding my first name as I realize there is another LB out there who was involved in commenting on these blogs)
I almost brought this up again the other day because it really rubbed me the wrong way reading it now. She definitely said alive. I had decided against posting it. Its really troublesome that she was throwing out the word alive so early when everyone thought she was just missing at that point.
ReplyDeletehttp://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/45814164/ns/today-today_news/t/just-talk-me-mom-missing-maine-tot-begs-dad/
ReplyDeleteupdated 12/29/2011 8:50:17 AM ET
“Just come talk to me,’’ Reynolds responded when asked what she would like to say to DiPietro. “He is the only one who can answer some of my questions. We have a daughter that is missing. We used to be able to get along all the time. Just talk to me. That’s all I want. He was the last one to see her alive. Just talk to me.’’
Reynolds is ambivalent about whether she believes DiPietro was involved in Ayla’s disappearance.
“I don’t know,’’ she said. “Part of me feels yes, and a part of me feels no. He said he’s not in hiding, but why won’t he come out? Why won’t he talk to me? Why is he staying away? What is he so afraid of, to not come out and talk to me?’’
Quotes above from Trista (TODAY) interview. I have to say that I thought it was odd for Trista to say that Justin was the last to "see her alive". If I'm not mistaken, this was prior to any mention of blood evidence linked to Ayla, or the LE saying they did not believe a kidnapping occurred. (earliest I could find the mention of Ayla's blood was Jan 30th and the same for LE saying that the evidence did not point to a kidnapping). If those were stated earlier, I didn't find them.
I would have thought nothing if Trista had said, Justin was the last one to "see her". But I find adding the "alive" to be quite odd. - KJ
agreed KJ, and it rolled off her tongue as easily as if she'd said "I like pizza." Perhaps she was heavily medicated, but it still seemed weird. She didn't look worn out, maybe she was enjoying NYC.
DeleteI believe the blood evidence came out 1/29 (before the vigil) but I'd have to double check.
DeleteTrista did NOT know about the blood before the vigil according to Jeff.
That should say UNTIL the day of the vigil, sorry if that's confusing.
DeleteThanks Obscure. For myself, I never even imagined the possibility that Ayla might not be alive until LE said some blood evidence was Ayla's blood. So, Trista's words at that time just seemed odd. - KJ
DeleteObscure I sent a screen capture of Jeff telling when Trista found out about the blood. Also In January 29 Steve McClausland said
DeleteDepartment of Public Safety spokesman Steve McCausland said Sunday night said that testing has revealed that at least some of the blood samples that were found in the home during a December search belong to Ayla.
"The testing has not been completed and more work remains, but we have found samples of Ayla's blood," he said.
http://www.kjonline.com/news/Blood-found-at-missing-toddlers-home-is-Ayla-Reynolds.html
http://www.kjonline.com/news/Blood-found-at-missing-toddlers- home-is-Ayla-Reynolds.html
Delete"The testing has not been completed and more work remains, but we have found samples of Ayla's blood," he said.
The family contended on the website that state police shared the discovery with them, but planned to withhold the information from the media.
McCausland said Sunday police had initially decided to withhold information that the blood belongs to Ayla because police need to perform tests on other samples.
"I prefer not to give out partial results, but (the Reynolds) family has released that tonight, and that information is correct," he said.
From this article, it appears that Trista may have known about the blood prior to the public release. How far in advance she knew, it does not say. So it may be possible she knew about some of the blood being Ayla's before she said, he was the last to "see her alive". It makes it difficult to make sense of statements, when it is unknown the time frame in which information was given to family members. - KJ
Here is what is stated on that NBC link above:
Delete"She disputed reports that she filed for sole custody of Ayla a day before she disappeared, telling Lauer she filed for “parental rights and responsibilities, and that’s it.’’ She also denied having anything to do with Ayla going missing."
She disputed and differentiated.
So, anon that came after McKee for pointing it out, maybe Trista and NBC need to do their homework too?
McKee, I hope that it is evident to all that those who were seeing things from this perspective from early on should never have been personally attacked and discredited.
I'm sorry about posting the above comment out of place. I meant for it to go with another thread.
DeleteThis interview was done the morning after Trista was told this information about the blood. The vigil was held on Saturday Jan 28th and she has stated that she found out just moments before the vigil began. the interview on NBC is on January 29th.
http://bangordailynews.com/2012/01/28/news/mid-maine/aylas-parents-meet-at-vigil-for-missing-toddler/
LB
And then the samples that McClausland talked about somehow became more than a small cut would produce and then multiplied to a cupful. Jeff says LE told Trista a cupful on the day of the vigil but McClausland says samples Hmmm Who should we believe. I know
DeleteI lean towards believing those that haven't been out there lying and contradicting themselves. And anyone who says the Dipietros have been are off their rockers. Even their friends website had a simple clarification that was irrelevant and then was blown out of proportion. Wildly.
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anon 12:22 "Jeff says LE told Trista a cupful on the day of the vigil" - I'm sure he said that, but obviously it's not true... what Trista said after that vigil is that they told her "more than a small cut would produce"... so, was she lying about the "cupful" to the public at the time?
DeleteI've always thought that "more than a cut" and "more than a cup" sound way too similar. I'm not a big fan of the misunderstanding excuses either. But assuming they were stressed out and grieving, not hearing correctly is possible. From what I've read, determining blood volume after a cleanup can be extremely difficult. So if there was any amount of blood that had been cleaned (not saying there was) the volume was not likely to have been measured so quickly. I'm clearly no expert though.
DeleteI don't know if anyone here can see Tristas fb status updates, but the most current one states that she is waiting for the boy friend to get home from work. Had anyone else heard of this latest development? Any clues as to who the boy friend is? How long has he been on the scene? Or is this a massive typo? Will it be removed if attention is brought to it? Is baby Rays daddy out of prison? More questions, more credibility issues.
ReplyDeleteI assure you this is no 'typo'. However, I was unaware his..job..had set business hours.
DeleteAnd no..Ray is not out of prison. He won't be for a while.
Being a single parent and going through what she has been going through, she may feel the need to have help and someone caring for her tho I doubt she is in a very healthy state emotionally to give alot.
DeleteHopefully this new person gives her a bit of support and helps here through this.
If you were unaware that his job has no set hours does this mean that you know who he is?
DeleteI can not tell you the new boyfriends name. What I can tell you is that this is new boyfriend number two. Boyfriend number one is long gone after Trista had a miscarriage. Yes Obscure was correct Trista was pregnant. And now Trista is on boyfriend number two.
DeleteIt can be difficult enough for two people to keep a relationship together under normal circumstances. I'm not surprised by reports that Trista may have had a new boyfriend or two throughout the last several months. She is young with a lot of issues and it's not surprising that her relationship with a boyfriend facing years in jail ended (if that is the case).
DeleteHe is the second new boyfriend since Ayla's disappearance. and yes, his indentity is known.
DeleteI really have to read all the comments before posting. So sorry. that would be annoying... I'll be more careful from now on!
DeleteNo one here finds it surprising (anymore) that every bit of information about Trista is called irrelevant by her supporters. And the only ones criticizing them for that? Right here on this blog. Meanwhile they've got 83 (ok, maybe an exaggeration) blogs and facebook pages dedicated to upholding her as the faultless princess who can never say or do anything worth questioning. Their blind support of her is never called being a mouthpiece and never called being fake. So weird...
DeleteEvery single made up rumor and hint of a detail about Justin and anyone in his circle has, by contrast, been made into a super big deal, whether true or totally baseless. Again. So weird...
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I am well aware of Trista's newest alleged street-pharmacist boyfriend, and his name. I also may or may not have pictures of Trista walking down a certain street in Portland with baby Ray, while being 'fucked up'.
DeleteOh, we've heard that. and it was noted this past weekend at the Ayla event too. meanwhile, we never hear anything from eye witnesses about Justin behaving in that manner. If we are going to allow character witness statments to "matter", then I say it's only fair to allow them all.
DeleteYes I heard from a source that Trista was flying high at this weekends event.
DeletePam, what does that even mean? o_O
Delete#2, that's a pretty juicy piece of info...HMMMM
DeleteWell she was not in a hot air balloon
DeleteAnd #2 you are right on the money. Add to boyfriend list abuser.
Delete#2 - I wonder if these are actual boyfriends or guys she "trades favors" with.
Delete@Really-
DeleteShe spreads easier than country crock. Only the ones who can accept and aid her lifestyle are worthy enough to earn title.
I did not noticed before that she actually said "alive". I'm someone who thought she didn't say that.
ReplyDeleteLearn something new everyday! =)
DeleteI haven't posted for a while. However, I have been reading and I wanted to pipe in here because it seemed like a good place to mention something that has been niggling at me since the very early days after Ayla's disappearance.
ReplyDeleteFrom the beginning I have not once thought that a stranger abducted Ayla. When I FIRST heard it on the news, with details like the "daddy's princess" pj's and then saw Trista and her crocodile tears (I say "saw" because when I first got a glimpse of Trista the sound was muted on my tv, and her exaggerated facial expressions screamed "bad acting" to me), I felt for sure that it was going to be something resolved quickly and we'd (the general public) find out that it was some plot concocted by the parents with money at the heart of it. (Yes, call me cynical, but it's more likely that something like that would happen in Maine than a stranger abduction in the middle of the night).
Not long after the first reports, when Ayla DIDN'T reappear, and it became clear that the parents were at odds, I changed my opinion from it being a plot devised by both parents to the belief that one or the other of them (or their families or associates) were responsible. Since then I have been frustrated with both parents and have gone back and forth in my feelings about which of them really knows exactly what happened. I am still not 100% sure (I suppose if I was, I could call the MSP and they could pick up the guilty party...case closed). However, Trista's behavior and that of her family and friends has been so bizarre and contradictory and (in my opinion) calculated from the very beginning that I am leaning much more strongly in her direction as far as guilt goes. I don't think EITHER parent believes Ayla is dead (despite Trista's attempts to convice us she feels otherwise) and for that reason, I don't believe she is either.
Anyway, back to the thing that's been niggling at me... Early on, like two days after Ayla disappeared, I saw comments posted by Trista's friends about how they were "trying to do a candlelight". I REALLY wish I could remember WHERE I saw the comments (it was either on a Facebook page, or in the comments section of the Morning Sentinel)because I would post the link. The comments stood out for me because at that point it wasn't even clear (to the public watching the news reports, and to the Waterville PD) whether Ayla had wandered off or was abducted or what. Why on earth were they trying to hold a candlelight vigil that soon? I also thought the choice of words was odd: "do a candlelight", like, I don't know, there is some sort of shorthand to describe things you do when someone is missing, and Trista's gang were all too familiar with it.
Like I said, just something that's stuck with me from the beginning.
Fan of Truth and Common Sense.... I have felt pretty much the same way you have from the beginning. There have been enough odd comments and happenings on both sides to cause one to go back and forth. From this point, looking back even some of those things that looked acceptable, now look odd.
DeleteI agree, for someone to say they are are trying to "do a candlelight" does sound like it comes from a "what to do when your child is missing" list. I did several internet searches on what to do if your child is missing, "do a candlelight" was not listed.
My opinion only, while the wording maybe odd, it could be indicative of how some (and I hate to say this) less educated people talk. There are a lot of people who do not finish High School around here. Unfortunately! - KJ
I wonder if the firends were just trying to do, "something" to help, Was this the candlelight that bob V set up? Something not right with that.
DeleteThere were candlelight vigils held really early on, prayers that she would be found quickly. A baby missing in winter in Maine? Makes sense to me that those who are religious would publicly pray in that situation.
DeleteThanks, fan of truth and common sense. I felt much the same as you all along. Unfortunately, those of us who know any of the involved parties and lean towards Trista's family probably being involved are discredited immediately. Since I've seen that happen to many others I have to just remain anonymous.
Delete@Fan of Truth and Common Sense 9/2/12 10:41 PM, who wrote, "...Early on, like two days after Ayla disappeared, I saw comments posted by Trista's friends about how they were "trying to do a candlelight"..."
DeleteIt's sort of like a seance, only a group of like-minded individuals are attempting to locate a living person, not through the deceased. There were quite a few groups looking for Ayla in this way. One was particularly successful, and they did find Ayla. Their first attempt was questionable, so they tried again a few days later. They could hear Ayla's thoughts, but couldn't hear anyone else or see anything. It also opened the door for some troubles to visit these young people. Ask Trista. She can still speak for herself. The words they heard were misinterpreted, but do form the basis for what Trista believed and said soon afterward.
I just want to tell you that 'candlelights' and drugs don't mix - street or prescription.
posted by pogamen 9/3/2012
OR they were just trying to organize a vigil and forgot what it was called, and opted to call it simply "candlelight" since they had that word down pat.
DeleteMichelle, that is totally possible too. It's not easy to always know what another person means. - KJ
DeleteIt was the vigil that ended up taking place at Congress Square on December 23. I DO understand the desire to show support, and it was close to Christmas etc. so I get why people wanted to gather to bring thoughts of hope, and raise awareness. However, it was the timing and choice of words that stuck with me.
DeleteI think saying "do a candlelight" was about this particular group of people's exposure to things that have been done in our community for other missing people, for example when Megan Waterman was missing (Megan, sadly, was a victim of a Long Island New York serial killer) several candelight vigils were held, most organized by Lost'n'Missing. They (Trista's friends and Trista) seemed to have latched onto the idea and I DO get why (as someone else said, maybe it was people just wanting to do SOMETHING). However the difference to me between the early Ayla vigil and the first vigil that took place for Megan is that the one for Megan happened a few weeks after she was reported missing, after many efforts had been made to find her, etc. It just felt premature, two days after Ayla was reported missing, for people to jump on the vigil bandwagon. To me, that would have still been a time of chaos, and trying to find answers and I don't know how Trista could have had the presence of mind to help organize and to attend a vigil for her daughter that early. (But, I am placing my own perspective into the mix, and playing the "it's not what I would have done" game, and that's probably not appropriate).
It may be insignificant. It was just something that bothered me (among many, many other things).
I also meant to add, earlier, that when I said I don't think EITHER of her parents believe Ayla is dead, I should have also said, I also don't think either of them believes a stranger abducted her, and again, because of that, I don't either.
Okay, one final thing... (some of these things were what I was going to email you about, Obscure, and I just really have been crazy busy and gave up trying to say it all at one time).
I saw Trista in June (I don't know her personally. I just obviously knew who she was when I saw her). She attended a family barbecue that was held at my son's school. (I believe her brother's daughter might go to school there or something). This was at most 3 weeks after the press conference where the MSP said it was highly unlikely Ayla would be found alive. I am again inserting my own perspective and knowledge of grieving and how people deal with death, but Trista did not behave to me like a mother who had recently learned that her daughter was likely dead. She, and the group of friends and relatives she was with, were casual, and lighthearted even, and it just makes no sense to me (even allowing for Trista's bi-polar disorder to cause her emotions to fluctuate wildly), unless Trista really doesn't believe Ayla is dead.
This is the most (these comments in the last two days) I've said on all of this, and I will admit, it's a bit scary to put my opinions out there.
Fan of Truth...don't be afraid to put your comments out there. It is okay to just make up another name for a new post if you feel uneasy. I did this in the beginning when I was just dipping my toes in over here.
DeleteThe candlelight vigil on the heels of Ayla's disappearance doesn't really ruffle my feathers. I just saw it as friends gathering in a spirit of support. My nose got more out of joint with the organized "Bubbles and Balloons", "Teddy Bear", and "Ayla's Second Birthday" vigils. I was personally offended by events that held raffles, gathered toys for a shrine, provided live music, etc. as my definition of a "vigil." It sounded more like a day at the county fair.
Hard to say how Trista should be expected to respond three weeks after the press conference. I'm not going to judge her on that. My questions are more focused on what she has said and did during this whole mess. And forgive me for being catty, but I didn't like this one bit. And mind you, this is when I was in the "Justin-did-it" camp:
"On the way to Monument Square, Trista rode with Betsy LaFond, a family friend who is so close that Trista calls her Aunt Betsy. Driving up Forest Avenue, LaFond stopped her vehicle and all the traffic behind it when she saw another car with “Bring Ayla home!” written on the rear window.
“Trista told me to stop,” said LaFond later at the vigil. “We were screaming, ‘This is Ayla’s mom!’ We didn’t know them at all.”
http://bangordailynews.com/2012/04/04/news/portland/hope-emerges-as-theme-at-ayla-reynolds-birthday-vigil/
This just struck me as a circus moment. Trista was seeking a moment of celebrity status, and it put me off.
Don't be discouraged to contribute. Just change your moniker...
Thanks McKee. I suppose "scary" might have been a bit strong of a word. I'm not afraid to post here and I don't feel I have to change my moniker to protect who I myself (if suddenly everyone decides that "Fan of Truth and Common Sense" is a loon who should be ostracized, they are still no closer to knowing who I really am.). I just held off for a long, long, time in jumping from the middle of the road to the "Trista knows" side of the road, and there is part of me that is still a tiny bit trepidatious.
DeleteI agree with you about the Betsy LaFond/car moment. It was awkward at best.
Since I'm in a "sharing my opinions" kind of mood, I'm going to state what I feel about Justin and gang.
I was annoyed, really annoyed, that Justin and his family did not speak out early on to give the public a run-down on the events that took place in the house on the night/morning Ayla disappeared, or to specifically explain the blood found (yes, through others, not Justin, we heard it was 3 drops, or 4 drops, and from a cut on a foot etc, but never directly from him). I was SO frustrated when the interview with the Tudella's was published in the Sentinel and it provided absolutely no further insight into what happened.
Don't get me wrong. I don't think Justin "owes" us anything. I just felt like he could have taken an opportunity to provide clarity on some simple matters, and it would have made it MUCH easier to believe in him. Having said that, I don't think he is evil or a killer, or the responsible party. I think the various theories that Tori and her band of wannabe CSI's concocted involving life insurance policy/long haul trucking/drug ring trafficking related ways that Justin was responsible for hurting and/or killing Ayla are absolutely ridiculous, as are any theories that involve the entire DiPietro family (and Courtney Roberts) covering up either a murder or accidental death.
The ONE thing that stood out for me in the Tudella and Justin Sentinel interview was when Justin said, “When the time is right, everything is going to come out. And regardless of what law enforcement is saying or what (Ayla’s mother) Trista (Reynolds) is saying, this really isn’t the time to be saying anything. And law enforcement, they can say ‘We don’t believe they’re telling the truth,’ but there’s a big difference between fact and thinking something.” (http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/Father-friends-say-its-possible-cops-say-no-way.html). To me that was a man who was AFRAID to say much more because he was worried that doing so might harm his daughter.
Fan of Truth...you are clearly one of Ayla's true friends.
DeleteBelieve me...the DiPietros remain on my radar. As does Courntey Roberts. As does Bob Vear. As do the Tudellas. As does the potential of an "unknown."
I firmly believe it is healthy to ASK QUESTIONS. You are doing that...that is what Ayla needs. I highly doubt this case will be solved on the internet, but we can observe who is saying what, and ask why. I could not do that on U4A.
I will not make excuses for Justin's silence. To me, it is unacceptable. I will not make excuses for Trista never speaking out to a potential abductor to return her daughter. To me, it is unacceptable. I will not make excuses for Bob Vear to spear-head two vigils in the name of Ayla. Given his past, it is unacceptable.
Post at your own comfort level. Your words are more important than you identity. You contributions are more important than your moniker.
Again...I think you are a good friend to Ayla.
Fan of Truth.... "I don't think Justin "owes" us anything. I just felt like he could have taken an opportunity to provide clarity on some simple matters, and it would have made it MUCH easier to believe in him."
DeleteI totally agree there. - KJ
:-) McKee Kitty. Thanks, as are you.
DeleteFan of Truth- you are the most right on the money in terms of interpreting statements of anyone thus far. And I'll bet you don't even have an SA honorary degree...
Deletepescara
@Pescara, thanks, and lol. I just call them as I see them (and don't purport to always be correct, not by a long shot).
DeleteI'll share something that has always troubled me since the very beginning. When I commented on it on the MS I got jumped and there's no way I'd post this at U4A.
ReplyDeleteForward to 1:18 in this segment of Ayla's maternal grandfather being interviewed. Keep in mind that Ayla had been missing for less than a week.
1) He states that he wants to go up to Waterville to help find Ayla, but that the police told him to let them do their thing. Essentially, he is claiming he was banished from Waterville by the police.
2) He wonders, without any hint of emotion that I can see, if Ayla is "dead."
That on sentence has haunted me.
Even if my PET become lost I don't think I could utter the word "dead" without bursting into tears. I would have a hard time even saying that word. I wouldn't want to go there so early on. I might say "I pray he's alive" or "I wonder if he's safe." I know men hide back tears but I don't see any hints of that.
Maybe he lacks emotional affect in general and people who know him would say that they can see he is visibly upset. Fair enough.
But the whole thing about staying away instead of helping to search combined with being quick to use the word "dead" doesn't sit right with me.
I don't see it as him being banished from waterville but that LE did not want family involved in the searches. Were any of the dipietros involved in searches by LE ? Does this mean they were banned from waterville? No, only from their home.
DeleteAnonymous9/3/12 8:24 AM:
Delete"LE did not want family involved in the searches."
State your source.
He wasn't banned from Waterville or the search for Ayla.
So why didn't he go help with the search?
Why did he say LE told him to stay away? From the house, yes, I get that. But the search wasn't confined to the home.
I know I saw on the news not sure when and I do not have the link right now but it showed Justin hanging flyers in Waterville. I know when Jeff was questioned about them searching he said something like LE did want Trista there because her DNA could contaminate things. That makes no sense to me since Justin can go anywhere in Waterville and lives in the town so wouldn't his DNA contaminate just as much since Ayla has half his DNA also and since Trista had been in Justin's house wouldn't her DNA already be there. SMH
DeleteI believe LE didn't want anyone known to Ayla involved in the search. There would be question of the validity if anything was found. If someone found something, did they plant it there? If someone found Ayla they would be suspect - how did they know where to look?
Delete@Really
DeleteThat is true. When doing searches LE does not generally want the family involved for just that reason.
Being told to stay out of town completely would not make sense though as someone pointed out Justin and his family certainly were not told to leave town.
Really?9/3/12 9:21 AM
DeleteI believe LE didn't want anyone known to Ayla involved in the search. There would be question of the validity if anything was found.
Anonymous9/3/12 9:33 AM
@Really
That is true. When doing searches LE does not generally want the family involved for just that reason.
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Can you please state your source?
OK, hold up a minute here....
Delete"There would be question of the validity if anything was found."
Anything?
They should be looking for AYLA! What are you suggesting they would find??
TEAM TRUTH, This statement, " ssentially, he is claiming he was banished from Waterville by the police."
DeleteI don't agree that he is stateing this but that he is stateing that LE says, let us do our job.
Anonymous9/3/12 9:57 AM
DeleteTEAM TRUTH, This statement, " ssentially, he is claiming he was banished from Waterville by the police."
I don't agree that he is stateing this but that he is stateing that LE says, let us do our job.
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Which has no bearing on his or his family helping to search for Ayla. And whatever his exact wording was, the bottom line is that he used LE as a reason to keep from searching for Ayla in Waterville, right?
When police find DNA, they have to consider whether it is expected or unexpected. DiPietro DNA in and around his home would be expected. Stranger DNA would require further investigation.
DeleteAnonymous9/3/12 10:08 AM, the search for Ayla extends well beyond her house and yard. And so what if it would require further investigation? Seems like you wish to distract from the real issue.
DeleteWell I have read it on many sources. And been told it. I would rather not take the time to research all the sources I have seen it on. I did find one for you. And you can do the same just use google. But here is one source. Hope it helps. In the case of missing children sadly the parents are generally the first suspects so I would assume both Trista & Justin would be advised not to be involved in the search.
Deletehttp://www.missingkids.com/en_US/publications/NC74.pdf
Officers must make every effort to assume immediate control of any site filled
with people who may contaminate a possible crime scene. Crime-scene tape should
be used as soon as possible to mark off areas requiring more attention. The investigating agency may consider calling in surrounding agencies to assist at this point,
per mutual aid agreements, not only to assist with the investigation but also to
assist in answering regular calls for service while officers are concentrating on this
case. Once additional help has arrived the officer may direct some volunteers to
carry out tasks such as walking or driving through local parks, playgrounds, and
construction sites or checking places in the neighborhood that may be attractive to
children. Note: All volunteers should have background checks performed before
they assist. Missing children are vulnerable and law enforcement needs to take
great care not to accept assistance from convicted sex offenders, child exploiters, or
those with a violent criminal background. Advance planning in this area, perhaps
training with any volunteer firefighters in the area, is critically helpful. Care also
needs to be taken to prevent use of any volunteer who could be criminally involved
in the case to avoid giving anyone the opportunity to destroy evidence found at the
scene or gain insights into the investigation. For instance in one case a perpetrator
volunteered to distribute fliers and help with the search. When the perpetrator learned
K-9 units were going to be used in the search, he returned home and cleaned areas
where the child was murdered with ammonia to try to hide any scents left behind.
A key child-homicide study revealed 10% of killers interjected themselves into the
investigation.
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See Figure 5 for a listing of key post-offense behaviors by these killers
Anonymous 9/3/12 10:20 AM, I did a google search and came upon that prior to posting, but thank you just the same.
DeleteI see nothing in there that states it's illegal or ill advised for parents to search public property for their missing child.
Regarding "Care also needs to be taken to prevent use of any volunteer who could be criminally involved in the case to avoid giving anyone the opportunity to destroy evidence found at the scene or gain insights into the investigation."
That could apply to anyone until people are ruled out as a suspect.
But back tot he original point I was making, I'd love proof that Maine LE told Trista and her family to not search for Ayla in Waterville.
I agree with you there. I just think they are discouraged from joining in on the actual police searches. And I also do not think they are told they can not be in the town. Obviously Justin and his family were free to be in town.
DeleteOut of this entire conversation, I find the most noteworthy the item about Trista's father saying she shouldn't be in the area or involved in the efforts because her DNA could contaminate things. obviously they had already determined that Trista's DNA in the Dipietro home was irrelvant. I just can't figure out why that is.
DeleteTeam Truth 9/3/12 8:33 AM, you ask, 'So why didn't he go help with the search?'
DeleteWhat search? Was there ever an organized public search?
posted by pogamen 9/3/2012
Yes, pogamen. There was and still is.
DeleteAlso, why would it matter if it was organized or not? If my child was missing I wouldn't wait for someone to take charge of handing our flyers and looking in public places.
DeleteTT - an organized search was conducted with the assistance of MSP/Wildlife, National Guard, and other organizations. I am not aware of any public search announced.
DeleteWhy does it matter if it's organized? I know you're jest joking. Handing out flyers and visiting areas open to the public is not a search for a missing child.
posted by pogamen 9/3/2012
pogamen, you speak in non-nonsensical riddles and then post the answer to your own question to me followed by a contradictory statement.
DeleteI won't play.
I'm here to help find the truth about Ayla, not get into verbal sparring matches (I'd win.) :)
Ha!
DeleteJoin the legions that "won't play" with Pogamen, Team Truth.
Obscure did a very clever thing, TT. Click the "Find It Here" tab at the top of this JSTL page, and you'll see what I mean.
kitty I did and had to take a long walk afterward to clean my brain, ha.
DeleteTT - I don't really want to post this, either. It was your question that I repeated; followed by my response (not a riddle) - To the best of my knowledge, there were no organized public searches in Waterville. I can understand, if it was said by LE, why the extended family was told not to come for that reason. There wasn't a public search being conducted. The context has been twisted due to repetition in blogs.
DeleteTT and mckeekitty - I think both of you bring volumes of meaning to this discussion, and I can sit back and read without inserting my comments. That's fine. I don't plan to limit my language to Michelle-ese (no offense, Michelle).
There is the letter of the law and spirit of the law. Our legal system combines them to provide a compassionate, robust, merciful system of arbitration. Even the guilty can find mercy. Online discussions do not mirror our system of justice.
I have one question for TT: Was Jess Parker at that barbecue? I got a 2-second flash of that event, and I couldn't tell.
carry on. Note to self: no non-nonsensical riddles for TT and friends.
posted by pogamen 9/3/2012
Correction: My question should have been directed at Fan of Truth and Common Sense...
DeleteWas Jess Parker at that barbecue? I got a 2-second flash of that event, and I couldn't tell.
posted by pogamen 9/3/2012
There you go with your lovely condescending attitude once again. Generally, when a person says "no offense intended," it really was. Apparently, expecting you to speak in non-riddles makes me the target of your condescension. Newsflash: I'm not the only one who's asked you, and now that you've apoarently lightened up on it, I've noticed many thanking you and/or ponting it out. So, you're welcome.
Delete*apparently
DeleteTo answer your question, Pogamen, I don't know if Jess Parker was there, because I don't know what she looks like. I recognized Trista, and baby Ray in his carraige, and then I believe her brother Ronnie was there but it could have been her step-sister's (Whitney's) boyfriend/fiance. I was going to say "the one with the tats" but then I realized they both (Ronnie, Whitney's boyfriend/fiance) have them so I really can't be sure which of them it was. I was trying not to stare, so I didn't look too closely. Then there was whichever of their relatives is pregnant (Ronnie's girlfriend? Whitney? I can't remember. I know it was mentioned here at some point when people were talking about the dove walk). When I first noticed them, I overheard Trista make a comment to the woman about the food she was eating and her being the "preggo one", which is why I know that. There were more people there with them, but I don't know the faces well enough to know who they were.
DeleteOkay, I just re-looked at the pictures of the Reynolds family page (on this blog) and I'm 99% sure it was Whitney's boyfriend/fiance that I saw there, not Ronnie.
DeleteWas that ever discussed here- Trista and her family stating that the police told them to stay in Portland in the beginning?
ReplyDeleteFound it!
ReplyDeleteNice nugget, Team Truth. It really is a trip to journey back to these old interviews and news stories with a fresh perspective.
ReplyDeleteChief Massey makes it clear that Trista and her father were never discouraged to come to Waterville...he wants to know where this rumor originates from.
And it was interesting to revisit Trista's interrupted poly. Sounds like she sailed through the pre-examination testing, but when it came to the real McCoy, her undisclosed medical condition conveniently errupted.
Crazy.
Thanks, kitty. :)
Deletemckeekitty.... I have gone back to a few of the old news articles and interviews. What I find interesting is the words/thoughts that I see now, that I did not notice back then. It's a good to to revisit what I believed to be true and question why I believed it. I've learned that some of what I thought was true, did not have a firm foundation. - KJ
DeleteKJ- a question to pose to you:
DeleteI have had (limited) training in Search and Rescue/Search and Recovery here in MA. The searches I participated in did not regard a missing child.
In your assessment, would the Reynolds family be discouraged by LE to travel to Waterville to take a passive role in the search for Ayla (plastering posters, going door-to-door, looking for Ayla in parks or playgrounds, etc)?
And in the spirit of balance, would the same hold true to the Dipietros?
TIA for any insight you may have on this.
mckeekitty.... Anything I have to say would be an assumption or guess on my part. My MIM page consists of mostly making flyers and posting information on the page for everyone to share.
DeleteBut if you want my assessment of what LE would say, I can give you that. I doubt that the LE would tell a family that they cannot put up posters, go door to door, or look in public parks or playgrounds, etc.
Common sense tells me that both families would be treated the same, as far as being allowed or not allowed to do the above activities.
My own opinion, if it were me, I would do anything I could to get the public awareness out there and do what searches I could that did not interfere with LE. I cannot see any reason why the Reynolds family or the DiPietro family would be prevented from searching public places. I would imagine that organized searches conducted by officials would have volunteers that are cautioned about what to do or not do on the chance they were to find something.
It would be interesting to hear from someone who has ties to law enforcement tell us what is typically done, or what families are told (as far as searches go). I'm willing to bet that there are different search criteria for whether a child is assumed to have wandered off on their own, or if it appears they were kidnapped. - KJ
Many, many thanks for your opinion on the matter, KJ. And I will take it in just the right measure as an opinion.
DeleteI only know that if I was discouraged from participating in a search for my child, my response would be a resounding "fuck you." I could understand being excluded from sensitive "hot spots" reserved for trained investigators (re: the Violette Avenue home), and I would respect that 100%.
My opinion on this applies to both the DiPietro family and the Reynolds family, BTW. I just don't buy that the Reynolds family were told by LE not to come to Waterville during those first critical days.
Again, my sincere thanks for your perspective.
Like ^^^^^^^^^
DeleteI know someone who worked and lived in Portland and she distributed flyers and the cards TLLOM had printed and given out because there was none in the area.
DeleteTT, Trista said somewhere else, I forget where, that earlier she wanted to go to the DiPietros because it was the last place her daughter had been seen. I think but am not sure she said her father talked her out of it. If she had suggested that in police presence, surely they would have told her not to, too, esp. when they had taken over the house for the investigation.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 9/3/12 10:11 AM, Are you the same anonymous who keeps distracting from the real issue of why didn't Trista and her family go up to Waterville to search for Ayla?
Delete"If we can't search the house with LE by looking in closets, under beds and playing CSI, then there's no use in going to Waterville to search for Ayla!"
Are you suggesting that was the reasoning?
Not the same anon.
DeleteThis is why all of the anonymous posters need to pick a frickin' name & stick with it. It doesn't have to be a real name...just something someone else isn't using. It's altogether too confusing replying to a shitload of people who are all anonymous.
DeleteMichelle, I agree.
DeleteObscure, would like it very much if you could require people to pick one name and stick with it, at least to use the same name in a post comment thread.
It's hard though, because if Obscure does that then it prevents the Dipietro friends/family from commenting for the most part. They have already been attacked and shredded to pieces on the internet and understandably might comment as total anons. They could pick a name I guess but maybe they are shell shocked at this point. Just a thought. Then again, it really is hard to communicate this way. It's sometimes very disjointed.
DeleteI know a number of them post here, and most as themselves. They can be Sally, Joe, Eyeball, or Orangutan....just be something every time you post so that your posts go together as yours. Otherwise, all anonymous posters are some giant group of indistinguishable people likened to a blob. At least you'd be a faceless person wearing a different color from the person beside you if you picked a name for yourself. Replying to people would be SO much easier. That's all I'm saying.
DeleteI'm okay with anons and anonymi. It's better than being anoff or anoffymi. Let words stand on their own merit.
DeleteBeing anonymous sometimes means people are not going to be biased by knowing who you are. And staying anonymous means that your thoughts are not group together so that a person can be biased by one persons opinions.
DeleteGranny, Michelle made it clear that she is not suggesting people can't be anonymous. I hope you don't think "Team Truth" is on my birth certificate? ;)
DeleteIt's not? ;-)
DeleteI agree, Granny. It should be.
Delete@pogamen
DeleteGood thing it's not your blog, huh?
@Michelle and Team Truth
I agree. There was a no-anonymous rule for a while. I will talk to obscure about going back to that. I don't care if you call yourself dill weed. Just stick with dill weed. Be creative. Just remember, 'Anon-y-mouse' is taken. Right KJ? 10 points for the cute variation. -10000 points for the evil and disgusting things I won't repeat at this time. xoxo
Anonymous 10:11:
ReplyDelete"Trista said at one point this week that she was told to stay away from the search and stay away from the investigation. The police chief was asked about that today and denied that and doesn`t know where that is coming from. The only place where they are denied access is the home where Ayla was last seen and that home where she was sleeping when she reportedly went missing. That home is now guarded by a police officer, and no one except police is allowed to go in and out."
I'm sure Trista would understand being denied access to the house...it was sealed off. She was not, however, discouraged from coming to Waterville and help search for her daughter. She could have posted flyers, gone door-to-door, search playgrounds, etc...
The point here is that Trista and her father told a story that Police Chief Massey disputes being true.
Exactly!
DeleteI am looking for an MSP source. Massey doesn't seem like the brightest bulb in the office... more like that one that keeps flickering annoyingly and you can't get maintenance to come change it out.
Delete"Now, Trista said at one point this week that she was told to stay away from the search and stay away from the investigation. The police chief was asked about that today and denied that and doesn`t know where that is coming from. The only place where they are denied access is the home where Ayla was last seen and that home where she was sleeping when she reportedly went missing. That home is now guarded by a police officer, and no one except police is allowed to go in and out."
DeleteNot directly from MSP, but from CNN paraphrasing.
Team Truth- I have to learn how to type in differnt colors and how to bold. I shall return with these new skills...
DeleteTT - I believe we heard from both sides of the family that people known to Ayla were asked/told not to participate in the search. This was around the time Lance had a falling out with Tim Crews who insisted on searching anyway. This may have come from MSP or FBI? Perhaps not known or available in the memory bank of Massey. It just seems that, if my own memory serves, if both families were saying it and both were not searching, that had to come from somewhere.
DeleteVeronica- the only reason why the font was pink is because it was a link and Obscure has her blog set to make links that color. :)
DeleteFather Ron - it's best not to scratch below the surface - like a child's scratch n sniff sticker of a Hersheys Kiss scented with shit. That's my opinion in a nutshell.
DeleteI wondered if he really had a phone call; if so, was it with a legitimate member of LE; if so, why didn't he state the source?
My suspicious side wonders if it was a prefabricated alibi for Trista's whereabouts in the following weeks. She dropped out of the headlines for awhile after that. Suspicion based on nothing.
posted by pogamen 9/3/2012
People misunderstand things all the time particularly when under stress. But even if you want to assume this was no misunderstanding but a lie, go with it. There are many misunderstandings/lies on both sides of this case, and the real issue is what is their significance. If Trista didn't get out and search for Ayla right away, maybe she felt guilty. On Justin's end, maybe he lied about the arm because he felt guilty (assuming here he didn't do it to her). Just painting someone as a teller of a non-truth doesn't automatically equate to lying and even proving lying doesn't mean guilty of the ultimate crime at issue. In investigations, people lie to hide all sorts of irrelevant stuff that's embarrassing but not important to the outcome.
ReplyDeleteAyla's arm WAS broken. Doctors and LE said it WAS accidental. No misunderstanding there.
DeleteWhy every time Trista is questioned on something should we say gee maybe she misunderstood. Is she not smart enough to understand? So let me ask you this. Does she understand the difference between I took my child and it was the wrong thing to do? Is that how she is able to maintain her "truths". Because she believes them? Because everyone just tells her Oh Trista you are just misunderstood. You are not really lying.
Anon 10:59 you don't seem interested in anything other than feeding your own preconceptions. If you came at this from a disinterested observer perspective, you'd undoubtedly see plenty of "fault" on both sides, much of which is probably irrelevant to what happened to Ayla.
Deleteanon 11:15 it's doubtful anon 10:59 had any preconceptions either way before Ayla went missing. What could the preconception be? Anyone with the name Trista is a pathological liar? Most of us, not known to either family, have taken months to form our opinions based on what we have heard since.
DeleteAnon 11:15
DeleteHow does what Anon 10:59 says show they are only interested in feeding their own preconceptions? Or that they are not a disinterested observer who has formed some opinions based on what they have observed.
Team Truth...
ReplyDelete"The girl’s disappearance remained classified as a missing person case on Tuesday, but some family members feared the worst.
“Statistically speaking, she’s not OK. I hope that baby is strong enough not to become a statistic,” said Jessica Reynolds, Trista’s older sister.
The Reynolds family was advised after meeting with Waterville police to return to their homes 75 miles to the south in Portland to let police conduct their investigation. The Reynolds sisters were holed up in a hotel Tuesday to stay away from the media frenzy.
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So, the WPD "advised" the Reynolds family to turn around and return home to Portland? I'm not buying that. Why couldn't the family stay in a Waterville hotel, close to the epicenter of the search? Guess LE didn't want any Reynolds' DNA found in the city of Waterville.
Jessica's comment????????
http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/12/20/police-looking-at-everything-in-search-for-missing-maine-toddler/
GREAT find, kitty. It doesn't pass the sniff test, as they say!
DeleteThe Reynolds family was advised after meeting with Waterville police to return to their homes 75 miles to the south in Portland to let police conduct their investigation. The Reynolds sisters were holed up in a hotel Tuesday to stay away from the media frenzy.
DeleteThese words are not quotes from LE or the Reynolds family.
Anon 11:55...you are exactly correct. But this "tidbit" had to originate from SOME source. Boston CBS didn't pull this out of a hat.
DeleteIf my child went missing 75 miles away from home, I would be on the scene in a heartbeat. And if LE "advised" me to turn around and go home, I would refuse to do so. Simple as that.
This is still an active investigation, correct? So I guess Ronnie, Trista, Becca, Jessica, and Ronnie, Jr. are still "advised" to stay out of Waterville. Ummm...I don't think it works like that.
Was Boston CBS the ones who also said that LE said Ayla was dead, which LE corrected?
DeleteA Boston News Station is reporting that investigators believe the missing toddler is dead and have intensified the search for her body after State Police revealed that Ayla's blood was found in the basement of the Violette Avenue home where the little girl was last seen.
DeleteThey are also reporting that several sources say the blood appears to have been "cleaned up."
But State Police Spokesman Steve McCausland says that report is "unattributed, irresponsible, and inaccurate."
http://www.wabi.tv/news/27202/state-police-blast-boston-stations-claims-that-ayla-reynolds-is-dead
http://bangordailynews.com/2012/01/30/news/state/police-blast-boston-tv-station-for-irresponsible-inaccurate-ayla-reynolds-story-aired-monday/
BRUNSWICK, Maine — A Maine State Police spokesman reacted angrily Monday to what he called an “unattributed, irresponsible and inaccurate” report on the Ayla Reynolds case that aired on Boston television station WCVB.
Maine State Police spokesman Stephen McCausland, reached late Monday at his home, would not detail everything he found objectionable in the report because he said he didn’t want to repeat inaccurate statements.
Since today's theme is parsing statements, I found this one intriquing:
ReplyDelete"I've had no contact with him; he's had no contact with me. All I know is he's the last man to see my daughter, and all I want to know where she is," she told ABC's "Good Morning America" on Monday.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/12/17/police-search-for-missing-maine-toddler-last-seen-sleeping/
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"All I know is that he's the last MAN to see my daughter"...?????????
mckeekitty, I commented up top about the groups doing a candlelight. This comment is one that is directly resultant from the group's experience, however misinterpreted.
DeleteWhen anyone crossed the line into the 'spirit' and was even loosely associated with Ayla, that individual found themselves in my domain. If I saw them as a useful tool, I used them. If a dog lifted it's leg, in my domain, I knew about it. There are some significant details that I won't give the public, but I can say that Ayla's words had nothing to do with fending off a male attacker.
"All I know is that he's the last MAN to see my daughter".
She doesn't like Tomato Soup.
posted by pogamen 9/3/2012
Pogamen, 3 options for you.
Delete1) stay on this side of the spiritual world in here
2) go to your own dedicated corner of this page to continue speaking of the other side
3) goodbye
Please and thank you. I hope you understand.
Goodbye.
Deleteposted by pogamen 9/3/2012
Lol. Oh pogamen. If only you knew who tomato soup actually is. It is simply not possible that person was known to her. Now I can see we were always on a train to nowhere with this.
ReplyDeleteOh my. It's not a name. It was a bowl of soup - tomato soup.
DeleteBest wishes to all of you.
posted by pogamen 9/3/2012
Yeah right and grilled cheese is just a sandwich.
DeleteFirst of all I haven't had much time to post this summer, but I have been following along on every post. And I just want to say to the newest contributors, that while you are not necessarily pro-justin or anti-Trista, I'm glad to see you here, commenting and theorizing along with those who you have not always agreed with. None of us are here because we want to be "right" in who we support or in who we think did "it"- whatever "it" may be. We are all here because a beautiful baby girl needs to be found and brought home to her family where she belongs- and I'm truly happy that after 8 long months, Ayla is still high on people's minds and so many people are working to bring her home.
ReplyDeleteWith that said, Trista's discrepancies have always bothered me. There are a lot of inconsistencies in her own words that has never sat right with me. The biggest issue I have is in this quote. Any member of TLLOM can tell you that this has been my biggest concern all along- “The police have told me I can tell people whatever I want about the investigation, but that they won’t back me up with it,” Reynolds said.) http://bangordailynews.com/2012/02/15/news/state/aylas-mother-going-on-offensive-in-search-for-missing-girl/ )
I guess this doesn't make sense to me. If they are giving her free reign to say what she wants, why not confirm the things she tells us? If they don't want the information made public, they wouldn't tell her that. This has always sounded to me as though they wanted her to talk... because they hoped that her talking would lead them to Ayla. Any thoughts on this?
Another problem---the police have in fact confirmed and denied things she has said...indirectly, but still.
DeleteThe way I read that is police are smart enough to not tell her things they really, really wouldn't want to get out unless under some duty to do so; they at times tell her things they want to be made public but for strategic reasons don't want to make public themselves; and tell her things they want her to react to in order to possibly provoke Justin into responding. JMO
DeleteTrue.. to some things, but not enough to make me stop doubting Trista. SHE said LE was satisfied with her polygraph, not LE. SHE said it was a cupful of blood, not them. SHE says the items in the river were Ayla's (I think I read that, I could be wrong!), not them. I'm sure there are a million more things, I just need to go through my notes to see them. I guess IMO, LE haven't done enough confirming or denying to make me be able to believe anything Trista says. Most people have been against Justin because of the so called "truths" that Trista, Jeff, Jessica, etc have put in their minds. Most arguments I've encountered on the other sites and blogs has been people throwing Trista's words at me, instead of LE. And trying to counteract that argument with LE's words- is next to impossible. if people would take the time to compare what Trista says compared to LE- they will see that there are major differences. All they need to do is compare Trista's words with her own and they would see that.
Delete"The police have told me I can tell people whatever I want about the investigation, but that they won’t back me up with it,” Reynolds said.
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Very disturbing. So LE has essentially given Trista carte blanche to derail this case if she so chooses?
Trista is a seriously ill woman, IMO.
Methinks LE has her on their radar. Some astute posters here pointed out that Trista has never once pleaded with the alleged abductor for Ayla's return.
I have a deeper understanding why McCausland said this case is "far-reaching."
I've thought that those same things were very noteworthy. And I believe LE has probably assigned an investigator to following her. That would probably be prudent, so I certainly hope that's the case.
DeleteNot that she'll necessarily lead them to Ayla (one can hope) but maybe they'll get a clearer picture of who they were dealing with. And for what it's worth, I guess that's why information about her goings-on get posted here.
Possibly Trista has no idea what happened to her daughter. But if we're all making that assesment on the very few facts available, all I know is there is at least an equal chance Justin had nothing to do with it.
This is all so sad and seemingly endless.
Mckeekitty, legally the police can't stop Trista from telling the media anything unless they have grounds to get a court order and do so. Any competent investigator isn't going to overstep that boundary and say or imply police have authority they do not. If police ASK her to keep something confidential, it's her choice.
DeleteAs far as police not backing up what she says, unless it suits their purposes why would they? If they want to put specific info out to the public themselves, they would do so.
I understand what you are saying, Anon 5:09.
DeleteWhat troubles me is that Trista even made that statement. Just bizarre in my book.
She comes off as an increasingly unstable woman, IMO.
"I believe LE has probably assigned an investigator to following her. That would probably be prudent, so I certainly hope that's the case."
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I agree, Veronica. Trista's comments and behaviors warrant close attention by an undercover cop or investigator. I hope there was one mingling among the crowd on Saturday, keeping a keen eye on her.
Since I wasn't present for the Saturday event, I have no idea of Trista's present condition. Christ...I hope her young son is safe.
I agree Kitty about baby Ray, and basically said the same thing below in response to comments that Trista is using again.
DeleteFan of Truth...Trista and her maternal family are no strangers to DHHS. I imagine the file on the family is quite fat.
DeleteI find it *almost* amusing that Becca says DHHS is targeting her family. This coming from a woman so jacked-up on a daily cocktail of drugs that she is not poly-material. Jessica losing her kids in the system. Next in que...Trista.
OT: What gives with Ronnie Reynolds, Jr.? I understand he passed his poly, but he doesn't seem to have anything to say about his missing niece. This is Trista's brother...correct?
mckee - yeah, her brother - he seems borderline apathetic whenever I've seen him on tv. It seems like if it was his own daughter missing we wouldn't hear or see anything more than we have from him now. I think Trista is the only one in that family that craves attention the way she does.
DeleteAnonymous 9/3/12 5:49 PM Is Tomato Soup in ref. to a person or is it in ref. to......
ReplyDelete5. TJP spoon-fed soup to ABR, and TJP changed ABR's pajamas to a white t-shirt that was too big for ABR. TJP spilled soup on the pajamas. ABR lost a sock while confined to a rollaway bed in an upstairs/attic room.
It can be found in the June posts under
making my crime tip public 7/5/12 8:43 PM
Sent to WPD on 6/17/2012
confused.. G.G.
A few things...
ReplyDeleteHow does Trista's new boyfriend(s) answer questions for Ayla? How does a rumor of a recent miscarriage answer questions for Ayla? How does offering up a recent photo of Trista being "fucked up" answer questions for Ayla?
Let's play fair here, people.
Stepping down from my soap-box now.
Not sure. Maybe it just gives us a little insight into Trista's character. And answers to her parenting her children while being "fucked" up. Which then may answer some questions about how she parented Ayla.
DeleteYou know what, Lisa? You are 100% correct.
DeleteReally, it was the miscarriage comment that rubbed me wrong. I'm no Trista fan, but I think she has the right to her privacy on something so personal and sensitive.
But yes...being "fucked up" is fair game, especially if she still has custody of her son. And this talk of her being high as a kite during the bike event is unsettling.
Sounds like Trista's dealings with DHHS aren't behind her...
You are correct also Mckee. I think sometimes people get carried away with what they post in an attempt to describe her life, out of anger or just plain old taking it too far. Bottom line we do need to remember that our goal is "to play fair".
DeleteI agree Trista being fucked up is fair game. I think another pregnancy soon after Ayla went missing is as fair as the claim that Justin has another child. So, if turnabout is fair play (even though it's in reverse here) then it's fair play.
Delete& Trista has already told us all we need to know about how Ayla was parented in her custody. Remember, it is her claim that even when she was "messed up" she still interacted with her children.
When your right your right Obscure.
DeleteObscure...the miscarriage statement was unnecessary, IMO. My FIRST reaction upon reading it was along the lines of "WTF is wrong with Trista? Why the fuck doesn't she get her tubes tied???? She has no business procreating. She's homeless, on public assistance, and has a young son with a father in prison."
DeleteBut I stepped back from my anger, and thought that if this was a welcomed pregnancy, a miscarriage is just sad. As such, I didn't think it needed to be brought up on a blog. If Trista didn't have any involvement with Ayla's disappearance, I would think a miscarriage would be all the more tragic. I would have the same reaction if someone posted that Trista had 20 abortions...not my business...personal and sensitive information...it does not answer for Ayla, and doesn't belong on a blog.
The issue of Trista using again IS important, and that is why I corrected my comment with Lisa.
I hear you McKee but I also hear Obscure. I mean let's face it Trista is the queen of spilling personal info. Hers included.
DeleteA quick note for you all.
ReplyDeleteAt this moment, making a new blog to announce pogamen's departure is a waste of my time.
There aren't too many things that are off-limits in the comment sections. This is your space to discuss, reflect, debate..whatever. We are all big boys and girls, but there is one rule I am sticking to. If anyone wants to discuss Pogamen's 'spiritual' experiences, disturbing details and twisted writings..there is a designated corner of this page to do so. It will NOT be discussed here. If you are wondering why, I suggest you read up on 'Ayla' or 'Find it here' tabs. Rather than playing by the rules, it seems Pogamen has left the building (judging by his 'goodbye').
Just an FYI, in case you missed it.
Have a good night.
-#2
1. I'll believe it when I see it. With my own eyes. Not while in a trance.
Delete2. I thought Pogamen is a woman?
3. Thank you <3
1.) Have a little faith in my low bullshit tolerance.
ReplyDelete1.5) I'm not nearly as filtered as Obscure
2.) I thought Pogamen was a man(and I'm using that term lightly). What did I miss?
3.). You're Welcome
I have no doubts in your abilities. I doubted Pog's ability to stay away. Apparently Pog's gender is a mystery. If s/he is to be believed, s/he said s/he was a woman once. I'm sure I remember that. Whether or not it's true? No eye deer.
DeletePogamen is Bob Vear
DeleteProof?
Delete@Anon 340
DeleteThat has been said since April. I do believe it, but until you have proof, it is simply a theory. Unfortunately :/
mckeekitty @ 9/4/12 - 12:20pm
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I was there for the bike rally & Trista was not impaired. It was a great turnout in support of Ayla. The paternal side was absent.
It seems they don't go to each other's events, and understandably so. It's supposed to be for Ayla, not a 3 ring media circus with Justin and Trista.
DeleteI was there for the bike ride and Trista's eyes were at half mast she could barely keep them open. She kept leaving the event to I think go to the bathroom maybe. Barely watched baby Ray she left him alone when she left the event. I think the boyfriend was supposed to be watching him only he did not do a good job of that. She was very agitated and did not look at all well. She looked unkept. Her lips were cracked. She was a mess. And she was covered in bruises. Not sure what that was about. In the end she could be heard yelling at her dad who was the only family member there other than her sister Whitney who made a very quick stop in, that she just wanted to leave. Which she did early. I do agree it was a great turnout in support of Ayla. And you are correct the paternal side was absent however there were several members of TLLOM there in support of them and Ayla who received quite a bit of praise at the event.
DeleteExactly Really
DeleteTrista has not gone to several events in Waterville and Justin in Portland.
This is about Ayla not an event turning into the scene of a media frenzy or a confrontation. That is the last thing that should happen at an event like these.
probably because trista has moved on to meth
DeleteAnonymous - 9/4/12 - 3:03 PM
ReplyDeleteEverything you posted is a lie!
Trash Trista all you want to; but don't make up stuff!
Sadly it was not a lie. Not one bit of it. And sadly I was not the only one there so I will not be surprised if others noticed what I did. It was not very hard to see.
DeleteIt is well known that Trista is using again. People close to her know this. So nothing would surprise me.
DeleteSo, if it is "well known" that Trista is using again, where is DHHS??? As Veronica stated above, "this is all so sad, and seemingly endless." Who is looking out for baby Ray at this point? If there is any truth to the "lose the booze or your kids" ultimatum by DHHS that prompted Trista to go to rehab in the first place, then why aren't they intervening at this point for little Ray? There is so much about this that is mind boggling and disturbing. It makes me very, very sad.
DeleteFirst they have to know where to find her. She is homeless and living in motels again.
DeleteWho is paying for the motels? If she is receiving state aid (including MaineCare for baby Ray), then they'd have to have an address for her. I suppose she could use one of her relative's addresses as her "permanent" address, and they (DHHS) may not be any the wiser, but I really don't understand how she can escape their scrutiny given how high profile this case has been. Where is her wonderfully supportive step-dad Jeff in all this? (yes, that was sarcasm)
DeleteI thought she was staying with Jeff.
DeleteWouldn't LE know where she is/how to reach her?
LE may or may not know how to reach her. She has not had a phone at times again. So they may have to reach her in a round about way. And no she is no longer living with Jeff. As far as Maine care having an address for her I am sure they have one but the way the system works government offices are not allowed to share information with other offices including police without a court order. Great system right. (yes that was sarcasm)
DeleteI can't help but wonder what motivated the move and whose idea it was. Is Trista now getting the same kind of family support (none) she had before Ayla went missing? If so, why? (addictions? lies? aggressive or angry behavior?) Trista is an adult and has to make her own decisions, but I surely hope others are mindful of little Ray's needs and safety even if they can't be mindful of hers.
DeleteExactly, Space.
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