I am going to summarize my thoughts and opinions on my
participation in the case of Ayla Reynolds.
When Ayla was first reported missing from her grandmother’s
home on December 17, 2011 and it subsequently was reported in the news, I was
shocked. I could not image that a child
would be taken in the middle of the night, from their bed and in a home in
Maine (no less). I’ve lived in Maine
most all my life (except short periods out of state) and never have I heard of
this happening in Maine.
At that time, I had a page called Missing In Maine that I
had previously used to help find two missing teens in the Portland area. The page was sitting dormant (Maine isn’t
exactly the missing person capital of the country, at least it seemed that
way). When I heard about Ayla being
taken from her home, I made up some posters and added them to my page. I started doing some photos that were more
colorful and would, hopefully attract attention for Ayla. I purchased bracelets and gave them to anyone
who asked for one. During my time
posting pictures I started to meet more people involved in the case and people
who were just curious about what happened to Ayla and where did she go!
Articles came out in the newspaper, people opened
facebook pages and blogs were developed to follow and discuss the case. People started to line up on one side of the
fence or the other. To many, it seemed
like an open and shut case of the father’s family knowing what happened, or
even causing what happened and Trista could not possibly be involved (after
all, she was miles away!). Others stood
by the father’s family and firmly believed that they were innocent of any
wrongdoing or even of knowing what happened.
At first, it was all pretty mild and I spent a lot of time reading what
was being said and coming to my own conclusions. I was quickly coming to the conclusion that
the DiPietro family had to know. How
could a stranger come into that small house with three adults and three
children and take a baby and walk out?
It just didn’t make sense. I will
not say it is impossible, I can only say it did not make sense to me. So, I read more and at times I would waffle
back and forth in my thoughts and opinions.
Could it have been a stranger? At that time, I could still not believe
that Trista or anyone from her side of the family could have been involved.
Tori opened a blog, Justice for Ayla and Jeff had his own
blog at aylareynolds . com, so I
started reading those along with the few news articles when they came out. People’s thoughts and opinions were all over
the place. During this time, I started
to really believe that the father’s family knew more than they were saying, especially
when word came out that some of the blood found in the home was Ayla’s blood. It wasn’t difficult to believe they were
hiding something, even the police were stating that they believed the three
adults in that house that night were not telling all they knew. Logically, I tend to believe the police. If the father or the father’s family knew
more, perhaps pushing a little would help get someone (anyone!) to spill the
beans and ultimately, FIND AYLA. Given
my belief that Justin and /or family knew more about Ayla’s disappearance than
they were saying, I helped make images that might push someone to talk. Many of the images were not very kind and
some were insulting to Justin and the family.
Was it right to do that? No it
wasn’t, but at the time I thought anything that would help get someone to talk
was ok. The images, of course, did not
work. Could it be that Justin and
family truly do not know any more than they have said to the police? Is that why it didn’t work? Who knows, certainly not I. I will apologize to Justin and his family for
my part in the images, whether they are ultimately guilty or not guilty, it
wasn’t fair to do, since I had absolutely no knowledge that they know anything
other than what they claim. It is one of the reasons I no longer participate in
making those images and won’t in the future.
After all, they may truly be innocent.
I started reading more at Just Stop the Lies blogspot and
participating less and less at Tori’s and Jeff’s blog. I questioned what I believed to be true, not
only because of the writings at JSTL (the questions being asked there and the
information being shared), but because of the happenings at (what now was)
United for Ayla. Though I was not
participating actively in many conversations, I was reading. I saw good solid questions being asked and
ignored at United for Ayla. Not only
ignored, but those asking the questions were being crucified. Why would anyone who believes they have the
truth want to stifle any question, regardless of what is asked? The reaction of the participants at United
for Ayla to the questions baffled me.
Why didn’t they welcome the questions and just respond, if all they say
is true, certainly asking questions and doubting can’t change the truth? I started to wonder if all that was
presented as fact, was truly fact at all.
If any information did not come directly from Trista’s mouth, it is
hearsay. If information did not come
directly from Justin’s mouth, it is hearsay.
None of us have been given direct information and many have gambled the
farm on that information.
There are many people who have not made up their minds
one way or another. Congratulations to
those people who have been able to remain neutral throughout the last (almost)
nine months. I have now placed myself
firmly in the neutral zone (whether anyone else sees that or not, it is where I
stand). I no longer believe half of what
I was told and very little of what I have seen.
The results are that I just do not know.
I do not know if Justin and his family are involved in Ayla’s
disappearance, I do not know if Trista and her family are involved and I do not
know if a stranger is involved.
I still pray for Ayla, I still hope she is alive and
being hidden, cared for and ultimately returned to her family. I will still share flyers and posters for
Ayla in the hopes that someone will see her somewhere.
It is past time to look at this case from all angles and
perhaps from a viewpoint of “I do not know what happened”, instead of
assumptions and guesses. Therefore, I
will no longer participate in any conversation or activities that assume that
any individuals are absolutely involved when I have no idea. For those of you who do believe one side is
guilty or the other side is guilty, ask yourself, do you really know? Do you? - KJ
Bravo, KJ!
ReplyDeleteKJ-
ReplyDeleteThat was one of the most heartfelt, and genuine statements/posts I've ever heard. As I've said to McKee, it takes a lot of guts and maturity to publicly announce something like this. Having an open mind and the ability to see both sides is a rare, but wonderful trait. Thank you for also helping me regain a little faith in humanity. You are a very strong person, and after reading that, I do believe every word of it.
ITA #2.
DeleteThanks KJ, very well stated. :)
signed:getrealpeople
Well said, #2.
DeleteKJ, thank you for sharing this. It definitely took guts.
getrealpeople and Michelle.... Thank you.
DeleteIt wasn't easy Michelle, but it was the right thing to do. - KJ
nicely said,KJ
ReplyDeletethe space between, Thank you. - KJ
DeleteThank you fan of Truth and #2 for your kind words.
ReplyDeleteI'm not proud of everything I've done along the way, I've made a lot of mistakes and I've hurt people. That wasn't right and it wasn't nice. I hope that others who may have judged one side or the other harshly take an opportunity to step back and think about what any of us really know about this case and give themselves a chance to have an open mind. I've also removed all images that may be considered offensive off my pages and will continue to promote Ayla's image and pleas for her safe return to her whole family. As I said on Ayla's Angels page, "one is either part of the problem or part of the solution". Going forward, I would like to be part of the solution (if possible). - KJ
Well done, KJ
DeleteI so agree, very well done KJ, and thank you for sharing your thoughts and feelings.
DeleteOf course I'm very pleased to read that you have stopped using images of Ayla that are of a negative nature. As that has been something that I have never understood.
I always enjoy reading your comments and thoughts.
more questions and S., Thank you. Your comments are much appreciated. - KJ
DeleteLove you, KJ. Sorry to hijack your thread, but I thought you would all like to know that U4A is back on track for Ayla!
ReplyDeleteJohn P says:
September 13, 2012 at 9:40 pm
You stay safe and enjoy your mini vacation Chicky. Thank you for letting every one know so do not worry when you do not comment for a few. I do hope you have a pleasant weekend also.
Chicky says:
September 13, 2012 at 9:43 pm
Thank you John, I will, I am looking forward to it!
Ldybg says:
September 13, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Thank you, chicky! A pleasant weekend it is supposed to be and hope you enjoy it entirely
Ldybg says:
September 13, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Oh, man! I wont tell my 4 and 7 yr olds- they’d be there to make S’mores- for breakfast???? Lmbo
Chicky says:
September 13, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Yup, two old ladies sitting by the wood stove toasting marshmellow on a cool morning in Maine while hearing the sounds of seagulls and the sight of a sailboat sailing by.
John P says:
September 13, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Ldybg, now I am mad at you and chicky. It is going on 11 at night and now I have a craving for smores!!!
Disgusting is'nt it when they exchange pleasantries and are nice to one another.
DeleteAmen! Seagulls, s'mores and sailboats are SO about finding Ayla!
DeleteIt's disgusting when people are silenced because what they say "isn't about Ayala" when it is very relevant, but inane babble runs rampant.
No one should be nice to each other, shows they are insane huh? Better if they just say STFU. That would help Ayla more.
DeleteI think everyone has forgotten how this blog got started and some of the bullshit they have pulled. Yes, Tori and Jeff started shit too, I am not saying they didn't. But for everyone to see their bullshit, and run back to this blog, which started the bullshit, is just, well, bullshit!
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone remember the nasty disgusting vile posts Obscure would put up and then take back down? The stealing of others nicks and posting on J4A, U4A and even over on SA in order to make those who were loyal to those blogs look like insane, erratic idiots? Posting faked emails from Tori pretending she was "leaking" info to this blog? Now they are posting real emails from people who are now doing exactly that....but who gave them the idea in the first place?
This blog has done nothing to help the Ayla situation at all. It hasn't helped the paternal family, and besides pointing out all the fucktards associated with the maternal family, it really has done nothing to prove or disprove their involvement either.
So why is Obscure the hero again? Because frankly, I don't fucking see it.
You don't have to see it. And obscure is no hero. He/she simply allows people to think without telling them what to think. We can carry on a reasonable discussion about things without being blown up on. And he/she doesn't allow people to rant/ rave/ and disgrace people not involved. It is because of obscure that a lot of people stopped to think and opened their eyes. I am included in that. And obscure also helped many to see tori for who she is.
DeleteI don't need to be hailed as a hero. I never claimed to be doing this blog for any reason other than I'm interested in this case, I want to see the outcome, and because I have/had a different perspective than most. If you look back, lots of my posts were based on the facts and my interpretation of the situation. It was in the comments sections where things would go south a lot of times.
DeleteSee, I don't even pretend that this blog will magically bring Ayla home. As I have said before, that will only be accomplished by LE, an involved person, or a random person who makes some sort of chance discovery.
The people who claim to do their "dirt" in Ayla's name are the problem. I have been clear about my motives and intentions from day 1.
I don't take credit for anything undue, and I don't need to be thanked or rewarded for this. How many times have you heard me complain about the work required to maintain this blog?
I didn't steal nicknames to post elsewhere, and I did not make up the conversation with Tori. Both things have been addressed, and if not to your satisfaction--oh well!
You can love me or hate me, but you don't make me or break me! And to continue down cliche avenue, keep in mind that the end might just justify the means.
Anything else?
Perfectly said Obscure. And by the way- yesterday I said that there certainly instances where the end justifies the means.
DeleteSkittles, he/she doesn't do what? You might want to take a look back at this blog post's and comments and see if your remark is true, because I have seen Obscure do exactly what you claim they haven't. Oh sorry, you can't do that, because Obscure has conveniently wiped the blog clean of that kind of shit.
DeleteObscure, if you didn't steal the names to post disgusting things on Toris blog when she still had one, who the fuck did? It just sort of happened around the same time you started all your shit against Tori and the blog? Right...just another one of the zillion of coincidences that happen every day in this case.
I don't love or hate you Obscure. I just see you as a big part of the problem. The ends never justify the means. That is just a rationalization for doing things you are ashamed of and/or know are wrong. If that is the case, what is your end? You said yourself you have no illusions that this blog is going to help Ayla's case, so what the fuck? You think its fun to bust everyone else for the same shit you are getting away with, that you started in the fucking first place? What the fuck ever.
You are just like Tori, sucking in innocent people who really care about Ayla and her situation and milking them dry of whatever it is you are after, glory, sadism, who the fuck knows. Tori only wanted cash, what the fuck is it you want?
No disinterested third-party would go to the lengths you have just to reveal users in this charade. You have motives all right, but they have nothing do with anything you have claimed on this website.
It is so hilarious watching all the sheep from U4A flocking over here.
Everyone needs a hero I guess. If they didn't learn from Grace, Tori or Ashley, I am not surprised they wound up here.
You don't have a different perspective than most. You have the perspective of a fucking troll. All you want to see is how much havoc you can create out of others tragedy and misery. This blog is not about letting others think for themselves or have a safe place to post. It is about leading others around by the fucking nads and enjoying every minute of it.
I will leave you to it.
As for the rest of you, all I have to say is "Baaaaaa" stupid fucking moronic sheep.
Oh and did anyone notice? Ashley has been forgiven over at U4A. Apparently on both blogs any type of behavior is forgivable, as long as you say you are sorry sweet enough. Worked for Ashley over there, and McKeeKitty over here.
Maybe that is why Grace and Tori are still on the outs. They dont want to fucking apologize for acting the way they did. Sucking up and playing nice are apparently not their style. I say good for them, as long as they keep their fucking mouths shut and stop cashing in on someones elses pain.
Too bad the rest of you can't follow their lead.
First of all, it's unfair to ask me if I didn't do it, then who did. How the hell would I know? It's not for me to figure out, and it's not something I concern myself with. Every comment at that time that was against Trista and seemed to be for Justin---I got credit for. That may have been a logical assumption, but it's incorrect. I'm not the only person who had issues with Tori or her blog, at that point I was just the most visible one.
DeleteSecondly, what am I after? Absolutely nothing. What I have created is a forum to voice my opinion, and others do the same. Go to ANY other blog or Facebook page and doubt the Justin-did-it theory and see how far that gets you. This blogs provides a place for people who don't want to toe the line. You can say what you will about my motives, but you don't know me. I don't need money, I haven't taken any glory, and sadism?? Do you even know what that is? People tend to throw around 2 dollar words like that, when they have no clue what they are actually saying. You are one of those people.
Any type of behavior is forgivable? NO. People are forgivable. People jump to conclusions or come to believe faulty things and correct themselves. People say things out of anger or frustration. As far as McKeeKitty goes, who am I to say she cannot change her mind or reevaluate and come to different conclusions? In the beginning, I even thought that someone in the home knew what happened. I was 80% sure of that, but as time went on, I became more skeptical of Trista and her story.
It's funny that you mention Grace and Tori. For some reason, I believe that you are one of the two of them. Why are you so upset at the fact that this blog exists? Perhaps, because yours doesn't anymore? To suggest that we follow the lead of a)Grace or b) Tori is sort of ludicrous. Aren't there better examples you could offer up?
I'm not disillusioned. I'm simply pointing things out that other people want to ignore.
I am smarter than a 5th grader.
My name is __________ and I approve this message!
hickorydicory.... I'm not sure why you show such anger about where people post their opinion. As for sheep, I'm certainly not that! For what it is worth, I gave the above post to both JSTL and to JohnP at U4A to post. Obscure chose to post it and so far, JohnP has not decided to post it. I cannot speak for Tori, but it is my opinion of her that she would have had no problem posting my note. If I'm wrong about that, she can say so.
DeleteThere is an atmosphere at U4A that does not want to hear or discuss certain aspects of this case. Nothing wrong with that, they have the right to decide what they post, what they don't and what topics they will allow. I will say this for Obscure, she has posted every comment that I've ever made here. Posters at U4A aren't coming here to comment because Obscure lured them in, they are coming here because Obscure allows them to ask the questions they have on their mind. I will say this (for myself) it wasn't easy to decide to post here, but I saw in the posters here a willingness to consider what others have to say. What I see in the posters at U4A are people wanting to protect Trista and her family. So much so that free thought is tempered. That is just my opinion of what I see.
I certainly did not apologize because it was demanded by anyone, except myself. I've acted badly during the beginning of this case and I was not happy with that behavior. At times, I was not happy with myself while I did it. So I apologized. I'm not looking for friends and I don't think this case will be solved by any discussion group on any side.
I've not closed my eyes to the happenings on this blog or Tori's blog in the prior months. Much of what happened on both sides was caused by each side and for a time, it escalated. The problems I had were caused by me. People change and it's not unusual for people to also learn from mistakes, thus making changes in how they act/respond.
There is one thing I know, nothing ever gets solved by anger and yelling at anyone. - KJ
Hickdic... I get what you're saying. However, you're seeing the evolution of Obscure & this blog as a negative thing. Most of us see it as a positive. Obscure has never pretended that this blog was anything more than a place where discussion about the case (no matter your view on it) is allowed & encouraged. I remember how it used to be. I admit I cringed at the rude things said about Trista, and I even called Obscure on that a few times.
DeleteEven considering all of that, this blog has allowed all opinions & doesn't stifle or oppress anything except for extreme vitriol & outlandish statements meant only to hurt & incite hatred. And that is appreciated. If that makes me a sheep in your eyes, so be it. I hope that someday your eyes are opened to how it really is here.
The difference between Obscure and other blogs is simple. Obscure always stayed true to who she said she was. You are right she may have posted pictures too. But she never said she would not. And the difference with Obscure posting pictures was that she did it to people who were doing the same type of thing to others. To make a point to them. Right-wrong? In your book maybe. Maybe you are just one of those people who does'nt agree turn around is fair play. But sometimes it is the only thing that gets a persons attention. Sometimes you ignore a person and they go away but sometimes you have to finally turn around and punch back so to speak. Thanks Obscure for fighting for what you thought was wrong doing.
Deletere: the copycat name person that posted on J4A and SA - I've always thought that was Grace, very similar style and humor - the one on SA also spoofed the posters of this site. I don't think it takes a genius to figure out that Obscure wouldn't be posting on SA making fun of things that Selena has been through.
DeleteBy the way, when I first started posting when here when this blog first started I felt fairly certain that one or more in the home were responsible for Ayla's disappearance. Even given that, I found the other sites repulsive. Over time my certainty grew less, not because I was bullied and not because I'm a blind follower. This site presents information that would never come up elsewhere and encourages people to think for themselves. I'm of the position now that I don't know who did it, and recognize several possibilities - none of which involve a large cast of characters.
Sheep? No, not in the least. The people who originally started reading this blog and frequenting it were initially feeling trepidation. Why? Because Obscure (then "Seeking Truth") was not giving any free passes to anyone. She gave NO rave reviews about the Dipietros. She bluntly stated some things and made clear that she was interested in following this situation and bligging her perspective on it. But what grabbed our attention was that she wasn't accepting the BS that every other group out there was dishing about Trista and her family / associates. That was important to us. We cringed when we read scathing reviews of one thing or another - Obscure made no efforts to paint the Dipietros in a good light. But she was smart, picked up on things we thought only those of us close to the Dipietros could see, and she was able to assert her thoughts without risking personal attack. We read every blog post and became more and more sure that this was the person who could make a difference. With intelligence and a spit fire attitude she could keep people reading.
Delete...why am I not surprised that this will have to be posted in two parts? Okay so brevity is not my strong point... continued:
We don't have to take her words and own them - her opinions are her own. Unsheeplike, we recognize that her thoughts are hers and ours are our own. If I disagree with her on things I'm comfortable saying so, and so are others here. And Obscure is cool with it. I read fairly regularly and have nothing but admiration for the tenacity under the circumstances. I didn't have the talent to do the same; and because people knew my name they were able to try to shred my reputation, threaten my life and my kids, and ignore every one of my points based on the inaccurate assumption that I would overlook someone's guilt in favor of gaining friendship. (For what reason I still haven't determined. My family and I would have remained close as we have for decades nogh matter what, and I've nothing to personally gain from this situation. I gained a lot of enemies and stuck it out anyway. Which eventually gained me some incredible friends, thankfully.)
DeleteThe lovely thing about this blog is that it tolerates intelligent questions, and I don't get the feeling that anyone here gets worked up or feels like they are ever "on the outs" with "the group" or as a result feel like they have to earn their way back in. That is entirely obviously what happens at the other conglomeration of blogs. Here, what you say stands or falls based on it's own merit.
Maybe this blog won't solve the case. No one knows. But if only things that will definitely solve the case should exist then you (hickoryD) should immediately go tell all the others running internet pages of any kind. Since I disagree with your position, I'm going to say I hope you keep it up Obscure. Hold everyone's feet to the fire as you always have. You pull no punches, accept no BS excuses, and seemingly have good and clearly stated intentions. It is un-American to think that you (hickory-d) are entitled to your views and entitled to express them but that no one else can.
Disclaimer: To my knowledge there isn't a single person I know who has ever known or communicated with the blogger. I only ever sent a couple of emails myself a few months into the blogs start up. I have never attempted to persuade Obscure to post any topic and despite all of the above being true, I'm well aware I'll be called a liar for it. But I'm putting it out anyway. It is my hearts desire to do everything in my power to join hands with those who want to find Ayla rather than busy themselves serving as self appointed judge and jury. If you are one of those people please go to either the website (www.ThisLittleLightOfMaine. com) or www.facebook.com/AylaLight and send us a personal message. Our current campaign for awareness is very do-able for the average person and as we always state, we'll take all the help we can get. We'll gladly walk you through the process on how-to. Thanks for keeping hope for Ayla alive by keeping her image and plight in mind each day. -Angela Harry
First paragraph typo: bligging=blogging. Sorry!
DeleteUgh.. also, "no matter what" not "nogh". This is why I don't post often...
DeletePlease don't take my generalized statement about "the people who originally started reading this blog" out of context. I belatedly realized I was speaking for too many people. I'm only referring to me, my husband, various friends. I obviously have no idea who else was reading from the beginning of this blog. Totally speaking from conversations between friends and myself.
Everything said in the above comments is exactly why I posted here and why my email was posted.
DeleteAs for sheep, that's what we would have if our thoughts, opinions and comment were moderated (edited) and filtered. That is how it is currently being done at U4A. I am not surprised that my note above has not (as yet) been shared at U4A. If you continue with a certain line of questioning (when you have not considered that you received an answer) no matter how well stated (without name calling), you are threatened with having your IP banned.
A blog is either a free flow of information, discussion and opinion or it is a pat on the back, presentation of one sided topics and discussions. Again, my opinion only and any blog owner has the right to run it as they see fit. But where people decide to comment is typically determined by how free or not they are allowed to speak. - KJ
Indeed, KJ. If there are sheep here, they will find this is a free-range pasture. Compare that with another place complete with a "benevolent" shepherd and a pack of sheepdogs set to attack should someone dare to venture too close to the fence.
DeleteTLLOM, Enjoyed your comments
Delete"I'm going to say I hope you keep it up Obscure. Hold everyone's feet to the fire as you always have. You pull no punches, accept no BS excuses, and seemingly have good and clearly stated intentions."
Well said, and I certainly agree.
Just looked at u4a sounds like the Waltons night john boy, night mama, night Chicky, night Marg, night Suz, night gran paw.
ReplyDeleteAMEN Dana B!! Lol
DeleteDana I thought the same thing last night, too funny.
DeleteAlso, kitty comparing Joe P's heart references on the blog to Fred Sanford's dramatic heart "attacks" was spot on.
It *almost* makes me want to go take a look. But no. I have an encroaching migraine as it is.
DeleteOT, want to know when I learned my limited tolerance level for immature, self serving gossip and tom foolery? When I was 15. I used to sit at my lunch table watching the popular kids next to me and in front of me...leaning in while listening to the "OMG you won't believe this!!!" Gossip being passed my way. Wordlessly i'd return to my peanut butter celery with furrowed eyebrows . Should I care? I worried that something was terribly wrong with me because I lacked the ability to feel interested in 99 out of 101 things I heard. Worse still, I seemed to forget these juicy tidbits most of the time which was a shame because there were instances where I coulda used them against an antagonist, I'm sure. So one day I started sitting outside with my two real friends and I learned that it was much easier to digest my lunch this way. The popular people and the drama folks and the pot heads alike subscribed to the same theory- the only way through the maze of adolescence is with gossip as your sword and narrow-mindedness as your shield.
So for me it was best to watch from afar and appreciate them for their entertainment value. As adulthood arrived it was a sweet reprieve from all of the above, by and large. But here in the Ayla reynolds case I see the mentality is alive and well. U4A's virtual cup runneth over with it.
So I try to stay here. As I long ago developed a severe allergy to it.
"Ashley has been forgiven over at U4A. Apparently on both blogs any type of behavior is forgivable, as long as you say you are sorry sweet enough. Worked for Ashley over there, and McKeeKitty over here."
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Hey Hick Dick. I never came here seeking forgiveness. My apologies are reserved for the DiPietro family. Even if involved, I had no right to condemn these people based solely on my opinion at the time.
Comparing me to Ashley? Really? I don't conform to my audience, Hick.
I don't give a flying fuck if you deem me a Kool-Aid drinking sheep. You are insignificant to me. I'm here for open discussion regarding a missing and presumed deceased toddler. I want to know what happened to her. There was a time when such discussion was welcomed at U4A, but those days are long gone. Open discussion will not be tolerated at U4A. From reading here for the past few months and finally dipping my toes in the water to comment, I have a sense that open discussion IS encouraged.
A change of opinion is not the same as backstabbing, Hick. As I review this case, I think Trista is fucking off-the-wall. I missed many, many of these details...mostly because I was hell-bent that Justin was responsible AND I WANTED TO BE RIGHT! My head was in the fucking sand. No one has to point that out to me...I have clearly admitted it to myself.
Sorry...posted in the wrong spot...
DeleteThat was awesome.
DeleteSorry for the gushing praise. I actually couldn't resist.
At the risk of sounding like Suz, ITA McKee! As everyone knows, I have said and done some very nasty things towards Obscure, yet here I am. I am, I think, the only person who thinks that Justin and Trista did it together, and still, I am allowed to say that here. I am made fun of and called crazy for it, because Obscure doesn't censor anyone, but I can still say it here if I want.
DeleteYou all might think that is commendable on Obscure's part, and I might think it suspicious, but it is a fact. Obscure used to even post really nasty stuff directed only at him/her that had no redeeming value at all! Talk about a tough skin, I will give that title to Obscure, they have definitely earned it!
Grace I agree with you it could be a possibility that they did it together and to everyone else here I am not seeking apologies at all I am trying to use my own thoughts and theories about what happened to Ayla. I am entitled to my opinions and no one should hate me for them. I did nothing to anyone. I admit that I have said things about the Dipietro family but just as you all have said things about the Reynolds family. I want to be able to state my opinions and theories along with the rest without being criticized.
DeleteAshley. Seriously. I can't speak for everyone so let me generalize while acknowledging I'm doing so. You are not hated. You are seen for what you are and disliked for it. That might be hard to hear but you could better serve yourself by accepting that there is truth in what has been said about what you have, in fact, done. Unlike those who had things made up about them and their supposed words simply because they know Justin and remained supportive.......YOU put yourself in the center of both groups of people and lied. Took one position then took another. Schemed to bring more hate onto certain people. You said what either group wanted to hear in order to get attention from both sides and position yourself as the go-to person for info. Then in March the TTLOM people had your number because they caught you red handed and were done with you. Not BECAUSE OF YOUR OPINIONS, Ashley. Because you are dishonest, annoying, two faced, and spend your time spinning up drama. There are plenty of people who remained part of that group with no trouble who remained neutral. So long as it wasn't discovered that they were trying to create trouble for other discussion group members by lying or takong things out of context there was no problem at all with them being undecided. Believe it or not some adults are able to disagree or question where someone else is coming from without being a little drama seeking sneek. Those people can have intelligent discussions and even disagreements.
DeleteAshley did you and your friends care about people being able to state their opinions without being criticized when you were busy criticizing the many people you tried to take down just for the hell of it??
no. NO you did not. Because you are a hypocrite. There's your moral lesson of the week. Sleep on it. Something might eventually dawn on you. If not, oh well. I gave it my best go.
Saying "I did nothing to anyone" is a lie.
Ashley - from your U4A post - "I can’t help the way my mind works and the way I go about the things i want to do"
DeleteThat's a huge cop out... we are always at choice in communication. At times we, as people, imagine we can control others, situations, things, etc. but the only real control we have is over ourselves. That is where our true power lies. If we adopt the role of victim to anything/everything, so much that we feel we are not in control of the words we say and the actions we take, then we can never change. "It's not my fault" will never take us very far. As a friend of mine used to say "own your shit, and make your garden... don't just sit in your shit and sing about it."
ITA Hickory Dickery
ReplyDeleteI agree HickoryDickery this blog is no different from the other blog!
ReplyDeleteSuz, we can tell BOTH of the "I agree / ITA" comments are yours.
DeleteYou spelled it Hickory[DICKERY] in both replies. :) you're welcome. Next time try harder to look like your not just supporting your own statements..
Veronica, be careful calling Suz out for stuff like that. From what I hear, she's a ukranian mobster, and not to be messed with! lol
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DeleteGood eye, Veronica.
DeleteNice catch! Amen Veronica! Lol
DeleteOh I am so excited to see Sux has two identities as if one wasnt bad enough. I think I might have a fred Sanford moment of my own lmao
Well, in the spirit of Angela Harry, meaning I know I will be called a liar too, I am not HickoryDickory, nor did I post as other bloggers at other blogs spreading nasty rumors or pretending to be others. I have posted nasty things here under anonymous nicks, when I was under the koolaid, and I have apologized publicly and privately many times to Obscure for this.
ReplyDeleteI do not agree with most of Obscure's thoughts or tactics, and I have never been censored nor blocked from posting here. But, I am crazy, so who really cares what I think? That's what I thought.
I am going back to my own blog now, where no one can post comments. It is very peaceful there, anyone is welcome to join me.
I am sorry for making that accusation, Grace.
DeleteGrace.... You baffle me. You invite others to come join you at your blog, yet you allow no comments and/or discussion. What reason would people have to visit? You already state your opinion here. Reading your blog is like listening to talk radio without a telephone, the speakers tell you how they think, but you have no way to tell your thoughts.
DeletePersonally, I prefer a free flow of conversation which includes the person posting the information and those reading the information. You may be quite confident that your i are dotted and your t's are crossed, but with communication lines open, mistakes are corrected. Good luck with your blog. - KJ
Communication with me is available at my blog. Communication with the world at large is not. There is a contact page, and we welcome guest posts or comments. I should warn you however, I have an editor that is a confirmed Grammer Nazi (not the one that posts here) and she does not suffer fools lightly! I think you can see the differences between my comments on these blogs and my posts on J4A.org! LOL at myself!
DeleteI prefer the free flow of conversation as well, but as a long time Websleuths member, I can see the pitfalls that these blogs hold. I think it is time to take the Anonymous off the web. People would not do or say some the things they do if their friends, family or employers/employees/customers knew it was them. Look how quickly you turned once you were outed!
Obscure, thank you.
DeleteGrace, I can understand that position regarding free communication. As far as my "turning" goes, I was outed a long time ago. I didn't change my opinion because people know who I am. I changed my opinion and stance because "I" know who I am and I wasn't being that person.
DeleteMy life has nothing to hide. I have a total of one speeding ticket in 58 years of living. That is the sum of my criminal record. My goal is to keep it that way. - KJ
My life has nothing to hide either (except that damn prom photo). However, when you are blogging about a missing and possibly murdered child, then you find the face of someone you love and care about and are responsible to keep safe plastered on a blog that you believe is run by the perpetrators, after receiving many death threats, well, that has a way of making you paranoid, you know? Got any grandkids KJ? Want John P and Jeff posting their pictures? Didn't think so.
DeleteAnd you weren't "outed" for your backhanded dealings with Tori against Obscure until I did so, for the record.
Great post, KJ
ReplyDeleteANOTHER wandering toddler in Waterville!
ReplyDeletehttp://www.pressherald.com/news/Waterville-police-officer-finds-wandering-toddler.html
When will they start filing charges in those incidents? Child endangerment...neglect...etc. When will DHHS start intervening, because that is 100% neglectful supervision. I can tell you, almost for sure, that if that happened in the county where I live, there would be an arrest or some CPS/DHHS involvement.
DeleteAlso, I realize the wandering toddler stories don't explain how Ayla got out of the house, but they go a long way in explaining how someone could have gotten IN the house..
JMO
I think DHS/CPS is messed up on a national level. Cases that should be pursued are not, and innocent parents are harassed for incidents that are not abuse.
DeleteThis is a big reason why I do not take in foster kids through the DHS system. I will not take them if they are involved in that system in any shape, form or fashion. I only take them in if the parent give me temporary guardianship via the probate courts. This leaves DHS out, and this sometimes pisses them off.
Just my two cents.
I think the problem also lies with people not calling DHHS when they need to. I've written about that here before and I practice what I preach. I have to wonder if a neighbor, someone, noticed that maybe this toddler wasn't being properly supervised in the past? Maybe not, but in many cases, the answer is yes.
DeleteObscure, I agree, charges should be filed. But I have a question- how do you see it explaining how someone could have gotten in the house?
If a toddler can get out of a home unnoticed, what's to say someone couldn't get in the home unnoticed?
DeleteToddlers are probably not being sneaky or trying to be quiet. They're just trying to get out for one reason or another.
If a kidnapper is going into a home, they ARE taking measures to be undetected.
Just as easy as the child got out of the home without waking her father, I think a kidnapper could have gotten in the home without waking him.
JMO though!
That should read "just as easily"...too many grammatical errors to fix LOL
DeleteI agree with you Grace, to some extent.
DeleteI wouldn't trust fostering kids outside of the system, though! Good on you for doing so.
the kidnapper had to know which room Ayla was sleeping in, and which coat was her's. doesn't sound like a stranger to me. jmo
DeleteTT...I think it was reckless of the WPD to simply release this child back into the hands of her mother's boyfriend unless it was deemed a 100% freak mishap. I'm troubled that the child wandered from a "2nd floor apartment" half naked and Massey had no clue how long she had been roaming. I'm also troubled by Massey's statement that "the child appeared to be OK." WTF...was this child not examined? And the boyfriend was such in such a deep sleep he did not hear the cops rapping at his door or gaining entry into the apartment?
DeleteAddressing your larger issue...I think there is a general climate of "not wanting to get involved" in regards to making reports to DHHS. I would like to see a "see something, say something" campaign addressing this issue. If it applies to possibe terrorist activity, it should apply to child welfare.
If I suspected a case of possible child abuse, neglect or endangerment, I would simply call 911. However, reading how Chief Massey handled this case as it was presented, that might not be the route to go.
Hey...can I get an "Amen kitty" from you?
the kidnapper knew which room Ayla was sleeping in , and which coat was her's? doesn't sound like a stranger to me. jmo
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Amen, Kitty! ITA!
DeleteI mean, for reals. :)
TT, ANOTHER wandering toddler in Waterville?!?! I'm stunned, frankly. Isn't this like, the 4th one since Ayla went missing? Waterville is not a big city, only about 15k people. That is so bizarre. I believe in each case the toddler was immediately returned to the caregiver. I hope DHHS paid at least one visit to each of these homes afterwards.
DeleteI agree, Obscure, if a toddler can walk out of a house without being heard then surely a person intent on being quiet can sneak into a house unheard. My spiritual side would take these recurring events as a sign about Ayla.
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DeleteConsidering that I can't remember hearing about any wandering Waterville tots prior to Ayla's disappearance, my spiritual side would agree with your spiritual side.
Anon @ 9:02pm- so what do we do? I am desperate. Get a private investigator? It scares me that it's this easy. Leave no trace and the local and state police will just burn out every motor on the "it's the family" direction?! I truly worry about this situation every day. LE has no obligation to reconsider any of it no matter what we say..do they?
DeleteWhere IS this precious little girl and who is going to be the one with the power to do something investigative who finally says "enough. Ayla Reynolds deserves her real God given life and I am going to turn over every stone regardless of what peers have said about their beliefs." ?
Who will do it? The direction of the investigation never allowed for locating a living child did it?
Of course it did. LE did grid searches, door knocking campaigns, aerial searches, tracking dog searches. Read the news reports from the earliest parts of the investigation.
DeleteAmen Kitty! lol
DeleteNote to self...if I ever find a wandering toddler in Maine, skip the 911 call and proceed directly to the nearest DHHS office.
I realize you were just being facetious Obscure, but the Foster mom in me needs to point out to other readers that perhaps the best course of action in the above mentioned scenario would be to call 911 first, then call CPS to report (just in case the cops don't).
DeleteI talked to my LE friend and he says that he would bet a call was made to CPS, just not mentioned publicly. Cops are mandated reporters, and it is not their call to assume it was just an accident. It gets reported, regardless.
Grace.... I would definitely follow your advice by calling 911 and DHHS. I've never seen a wandering child yet, but being in Maine it sounds like it might be a good possibility that I will.
DeleteKudos to you for being an advocate for children. It amazes me that, at times, strangers have more caring for children than their own parents. I work on a fairly major road, and there is an apt house across the street. I've often watched as the kids from that house run across the road to go to a local variety store alone. Guesstimate of their ages is (girl 7, boy 9). I have never seen the parents (I'm sure the are in the house). The other day the boy came across the street to see if the mailman had come by. You might think I just worry too much, but that is a street that intimidates me when I go across it by foot.
It's incidents like the above that make me wonder, when is something dangerous and when is it not? And who decides? Obviously their parents think that is safe. I just wonder sometimes how does the average citizen decide where the line is and when to place that call? Thanks for any insight you can give, because each time I see those kids wandering outside alone, I wonder. - KJ
I also wanted to mention the story of Little Hope Trott. This girls story is amazing. A three year old gets up in the middle of the night goes to the closet gets her shoes on and gets her coat and walks a mile in the snow to a local convenience store all while her parents and older siblings are asleep in the house. Police follow her footsteps home and enter the house with guns drawn and flashlights out. Still the parents and older siblings are fast asleep. They awake to police standing over them and never heard a sound before that.
DeleteA police officer followed the little girl’s footprints in the snow to her home and the front door was wide open.
Guns were drawn and officers used flashlights to go through the house looking for suspects.
What they found were Hope’s parents, Laura and Jesse Trott, and her older siblings, Hunter and Ann, fast asleep in their bedrooms.
It was frightening, Laura Trott said Wednesday afternoon.
“My first thought was my house was on fire,” she said when woken by the officers.
Police had called the house and knocked on the door when they arrived, but it was so early nobody heard them, Trott said.
After hearing this story it totally convinced me that someone could have very easily entered the DiPietro house took Ayla and left without anyone hearing a sound. To me she was sort of like a beacon of hope or a message that Ayla is out there somewhere and not to give up until she is found.
http://bangordailynews.com/2012/02/22/news/down-east/3-year-old-baileyville-girl-leaves-home-walks-nearly-a-mile-to-the-store/
KJ...just an idea in regards to the situation you describe.
DeleteYou could send an anonymous note expressing your concerns to that mailbox.
Are the children cautious when crossing the busy road? Do they look both ways and exercise common sense before bolting across the road?
It is curious that you never see the parents and need to assume that they are in the house. Any idea how long these folks have been living across the street from you? Months? Years?
I don't see anything wrong with placing a non-emergency call to local LE regarding your concerns. There is a vast difference between "minding your own business" and concern for the safety of your little neighbors.
You sound like a neighbor I would love to have.
mckeekitty.... it's a 3 apt house. I believe the family with the children moved in about six months ago, as that is when my co-worker and I started seeing the children. Neither of us have seen the parents yet. Of course, we are also working and not always looking outside. The kids usually look both ways, then grab each others hand and run across. The street is short, between two sets of lights with double lanes on each side. Our building blocks the view of cars coming from the other road and turning, making crossing even more tricky. At the childrens ages, I cringe a little every time I see them run across. I do not know if a parent is watching from a window, but there is no parent in sight. I hadn't thought of an anonymous note. It's hard, some parents get offended if you try to tell them that what they allow their children to do might be dangerous. As someone viewing a situation, it is difficult to know what the proper thing is to do. I know I would feel sick if anything should happen. - KJ
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DeleteGood advise from McKee. Also, I agree that you sound like a neighbor I'd appreciate.
"It's incidents like the above that make me wonder, when is something dangerous and when is it not? And who decides? Obviously their parents think that is safe. I just wonder sometimes how does the average citizen decide where the line is and when to place that call?"
I've always felt that ones conscience is their best guide. If your conscience is even hinting that you should report something, it's probably a good idea to do so.
this is a news article about a 2 year old boy found wandering in Waterville in April and again in July. I truly believe these parents should be required to submit to drug testing immediately.
Deletehttp://bangordailynews.com/2012/07/13/news/mid-maine/little-boy-2-found-wandering-the-streets-of-waterville-again/
there was at least one other toddler roaming in Waterville, a girl I believe, before the little boy - I seem to remember she was with a sitter at the time
Deleteand then back in February the 3 year old girl that walked a mile to the store in Baileyville
S. .... "I've always felt that ones conscience is their best guide. If your conscience is even hinting that you should report something, it's probably a good idea to do so."
DeleteThank you for your feedback. That is a good rule of thumb. I think I will leave a message for the parents in their mailbox, just noting my concerns.
the space between.... The article you posted there bothered me most of all, because it happened twice to the same child/family. Once is certainly bad enough, twice means someone drop the ball. - KJ
I like the idea of sending an anonymous letter to the parents. I would suggest to them that they teach their children to walk across the street safely using the crosswalks and lights if they are going to allow them to be out walking that young, or you are going to call CPS. If you see them crossing unsafely again, do so.
DeleteI think 7 and 9 are way too young to be walking on city streets alone however I don't know if there are laws against it. I know it is illegal to leave children home alone that young, so I would assume it would be even more dangerous for them to be outside in traffic as well.
Your mileage may very however....
Obscure says: "Note to self...if I ever find a wandering toddler in Maine, skip the 911 call and proceed directly to the nearest DHHS office."
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Christ...I hope you would scoop the child up on route to DHHS!
But on a deadly serious note...this child should have been examined by a doctor. Appearing to be OK is not the same as being OK. She was found naked from the waist down...no diaper, no underwear. no pants, no pajama bottoms. How long was she "on the loose?" And she was simply returned to her mother's boyfriend...a man who has no relation to this child?
Not to get too imaginative, but I can't help think of Jeffrey Dahmer. When one of Jeffrey's "meals" escaped the house of horrors, the police bought Dahmer's story that it was just a lover's spat and turned the young man back over to Dahmer.
Grace.... thank you for your suggestion. I will add the notice that I will call DHHS, if I continue to see them crossing the street unsafely. I hope the note will be enough for a parent to take them across (if necessary). I thought the age of 7 and 9 was a little young to send them over to the store alone, especially since I am so aware of all the missing children out there. I'm afraid that some parents think it won't happen to their kids. - KJ
DeleteKJ - my 2 cents - If this is only your work address, and not your home address, there may be benefit to being more direct. For example: Several times while I've been at work I've noticed your young children crossing the street together. I don't know if you are aware of this. In the many years I've worked here I have seen that people often drive too fast and there's one area that's a blind spot that would make crossing potentially even more dangerous. KJ, Missing-in-Maine - I believe that including the fact that you work for such an organization speaks to your resolve towards the welfare of children.
DeleteGrace says: "I like the idea of sending an anonymous letter to the parents. I would suggest to them that they teach their children to walk across the street safely using the crosswalks and lights if they are going to allow them to be out walking that young, or you are going to call CPS. If you see them crossing unsafely again, do so."
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Grace...ITA with the part of teaching the children to use the crosswalks and lights in the anonymous note.
I do not see the need to mention CPS in the letter, however. To do so risks that the note would come across as hostile, aggresive, and threatening. I get the sense that KJ is just a concerned neighbor.
CPS/DHHS is a broken system. Children in genuine peril slip through the cracks, and I don't think children crossing busy streets is a CPS priority. KJ is clearly gifted in getting her point across in a spirit of genuine concern and goodwill. I would encourage that spirit in composing the anonymous letter. If the children continue to "play in traffic" after the note has been delivered, then KJ need only place a non-emergency call to LE.
KJ...I'm not minimizing your concern. I just don't think threatening to put these children and their guardians "in the system" is the way to go.
DO follow your heart on this matter. I am only offering up my opinion.
OT: I can contact you on your MIM page, correct?
KJ-
DeleteI wasn't going to stick my nose in here, but I hope you won't mind me adding my two cents as well. I agree that you should trust your gut, and I'm not recommending you ignore the situation, but I think Really's approach above is a better one than an anonymous letter. I also would strongly urge you NOT to threaten DHHS involvement.
Here's why: A) Are you sure it's a 7 and 9 year old? Perhaps it's a 9 year old and an 11 year old that are both short for their age. (I'm not really suggesting that's the case. I'm just saying; making assumptions is never a good idea.) B) Like you said above, sometimes parents don't appreciate you trying to tell them that their parenting decisions aren't good ones. You don't know what these people's prior experience is. Maybe they moved from a place where traffic is busier and their children are very experienced in dealing with it (again, I'm not saying that's the case, just allowing for the possibility).
They may think that their kids are perfectly safe, and in fact, may have practiced crossing the street with them several times before allowing them to do it on their own. If so, maybe they don't realize that your work building is such a blind spot. In any case, my point is, I think mentioning DHHS is going to do nothing but put them on the defensive, and any sage advice you have to give will be promptly ignored. I think the old adage, "you catch more flies with honey" applies here. I'd write a simple note saying you've noticed the kids crossing and worry about the danger given the way the building sits, and that you don't mean to stick your nose in where it doesn't belong, but you weren't sure if they knew how crazy the intersection can get and you wouldn't be able to forgive yourself if something happened to the kids and you didn't say anything. That way perhaps they will take it as you mean it, which is in a genuine caring way, as opposed to thinking that you are Gladys Kravitz. :-)
Like I said, I hope you don't mind my two cents (you can tell me I'm being Gladys Kravitz if you want, and if there isn't anyone here who gets that reference, then I'm either too young or too old. lol).
Kitty...great minds. I was typing my comment while yours was being posted, it seems. :)
DeleteFan of Truth - Gladys Kravitz in the internet era likely would have been a "troll" :)
DeleteI feel the same as you and mckee about mentioning DHHS.
Really?.... Yes, it is my work address and after reading more of the suggestions here, I think the direct approach will be better, too. Just to clear up a misconception, I do not work for Missing In Maine. The Missing In Maine page is one I started to help two mothers find their missing teen daughters, back in November of 2011. The page was dormant when Ayla went missing and I started it up again. Thank you for your suggestions.
Deletemckeekitty.... Yes, you can reach me on the MIM page (or MissingInMaine @ gmail.com) Thank you for the suggestion of not mentioning CPS/DHHS in the letter, or directly. I agree, I do not want to put the parents on the defensive, I just want them to be aware of the dangers of that particular part of the road. I've worked at that building for 12 years and witnessed numerous accidents. This family has only live there about six months (that we can tell). There have been times that people get flat tires in front of my building and I go out and ask them to please push the car into our parking lot. People come around the corner of our building fast and are unaware there may be obstacles.
Fan of Truth... Thank you for sticking your nose in here. :) No I am not sure that they are 7 and 9. Basically, I was judging their ages using my grandchildren (4,5,7,11,16) as a reference guide. But I could be wrong. And not being at that office many of the hours, I'm not aware of what their parents may have shown them. I will not mention the CPS/DHHS, but will mention my concerns for the safety, given the history of that section of road.
I will see if I can contact the parents on Monday and will let you know how it goes! Thank you all for your suggestions. The children out there on the road has bothered both me and my co-worker. - KJ
Great suggestions.
DeleteI look forward KJ to hearing how it goes wth the parents.
Just a note for those who may be checking back here. I was not able to personally get in touch with the parents. Apparently, they are working while I'm at work. I left a kind note in their mailbox detailing the dangers of that particular area of the road. If I get any feedback, I will let you know. - KJ
DeleteThanks KJ for the update.
DeleteI'm sure it gives you some comfort knowing that at least you were able to express your concerns to the parents. If I were the parent, I'd be thankful for your concern.
Fantastic idea concerning "Chainlocks for Toddlers", love it.
I'll echo what S said, KJ. I'm glad you were able to reach out, and hope it brings a positive response. I too love your "Chainlocks for Toddlers" campaign, and saw it on your page. GREAT idea!
DeleteGood for you, KJ! A kind note of concern is what a good citizen does. You did not approach the situation as a "busy body" but instead followed your gut.
DeleteKeep us posted. Hopefully you will see a change in the manner these children cross the busy street. I agree with S...I, too, would be a grateful parent that someone spoke out for the welfare of my children.
KJ, sorry for the delay in commenting to say I respect your process and all you've done and do for Ayla and others!
ReplyDeleteThank you Team Truth. I am going to continue to do things in a constructive manner, sharing Ayla's poster on the MIM page, along with the other missing people from Maine. I would be happy if we had no one on the page and no need for the page at all. - KJ
DeleteRe: The wandering Waterville Toddler...Jesus H. Christ and WTF?! I agree with you Obscure that charges should have been filed. This perplexes me:
ReplyDelete“He told the officers he got up earlier and fed the child and went back to bed and fell asleep,” Massey said.
“It’s not illegal to leave a child with an adult. The man was looking at us saying, ‘I didn’t mean to fall back asleep,’” Massey said.
So, which was it? Did he go back to bed, or did he not mean to fall back asleep? Perhaps he doesn't have experience with small children and doesn't realize that you have to watch them constantly, and maybe he even feels terrible, BUT that doesn't make it okay. Ignorance is not an acceptable excuse for irresponsible behavior. (I have trouble believing that a 36 year old man is that clueless anyway)
To the anonymous poster who is saying the kidnapper had to have known which room and coat were Ayla's: Was there evidence that Ayla's coat was missing with her? I'm not being a smart ass. I'm asking genuinely. I've not heard any details about what Ayla was wearing except for the "Daddy's Princess" pj's. Is there a link you can provide with the details about the coat? Thanks!
In other happy news, 3 popular restaurants were shut down in Portland for a major rat infestation. YAY! (sorry that last bit was way OT, and probably not appropriate but I figure it had about as much merit as HickDick's post) ;-)
This toddler was discovered naked from the waist down wandering the streets of Waterville for God knows how long. The boyfriend didn't wake up when LE knocked at the second-floor apartment door. I'm sure LE yelled "Hello! Hello! upon entering the apartment, and still no response from the boyfriend? He must have been in one hell of a deep sleep.
DeleteThis child wasn't even examined. And all the credit goes to a WPD officer who happened upon sighting the toddler?
Shit, I'm just going to say it: I think the cops may have fucked up on Ayla's case.
No sh&t, huh, McKee?
Deletemckee - agreed
Deleteand why wasn't the 2 year old taken to the hospital to be examined?
I feel more and more that any parent whose toddler wanders off/disappears should be *required* to have an immediate drug test.
Instead it seems more like "oh, hey, is this yours?"
Every time I read these news reports of toddlers walking out of their homes, I want to go buy the chainlocks myself and send them to the families. Chainlocks are inexpensive and they prevent a toddler from being able to open a door wide enough to get out. When my grandchildren sleep over, it is the only time I put the chainlocks on the doors. A few weeks ago, I had my 5 year old grandson overnight. I woke up around 1:30 am because I heard a noise, I went downstairs and my grandson was at the front door and had it open (he said he was looking for me). The only think preventing him from going outside was the fact that I had put placed the chain in the lock before I went to bed. Maybe I need to start a campaign of "Chainlocks for Toddlers" here in Maine. - KJ
DeleteWOW KJ - that must have made your heart race a little! A chainlocks campaign is a great idea!
Deletethe space between.... it did! The strange part is I put those chainlocks on the doors a long time ago and have used them every time the grandkids stay over night. Since none of the grands have tried to open the door, I was wondering if I still needed them. I'm glad I kept using them. The chainlocks will stay until the younger grands get older. I might start that "Chainlocks for Toddlers" campaign on the Missing In Maine page. - KJ
DeleteFANTASTIC idea KJ! I could see the campaign featuring mention of the frequency of roaming tots as well as your own experience as you've included here... and how the chainlock made a difference even after you thought they were no longer needed. When you do that, I hope you share it with other pages and LE as well, particularly in Waterville.
DeleteHa. Tori just posted a very dubious update as to why she's been absent for so long.
ReplyDeleteDubious my fanny, that was a complete and utter crock of bullcrap if I ever saw one!
DeleteI will wait and see if Obscure does a post about this, but I know exactly what Trista was pissed about and if Ashley doesn't spill the beans first I will comment on the new post. If Obscure doesn't, and anyone wants the truth, let me know.
What a bunch of crap.
Grace - I believe that's what skeptic was saying - crock of bull.
DeleteI am surprised she didn't write since there is no more reward Nothing for her to cash in on. It seems that as soon as that reward disappeared so did Tori and Jeff IMO
DeleteExactly. Her statement on U4A is contradictory, self-serving, and absurd. If Trista sent her an angry message asking her to stop blogging about Ayla (which I actually believe,) then why these hints of starting a new blog, with Ayla's name in it, that's dedicated to other missing children? The whole thing is completely ridiculous and it's obvious by reading that post that she, Jeff, and whoever else is calling the shots at U4A is more interested in their own agenda than supporting Trista or finding Ayla. The fact that pretty much everyone on that blog has a lengthy history of criminal behavior and/or addiction and/or mental illness doens't exactly strengthen their case, either.
DeleteI've been reading this blog, and their blog, since the case broke. And I've stayed quiet because I have had conflicting views. While I do tend towards believing the DiPietros are guilty, they have still been treated disgracefully and unfairly on U4A, and I have a growing list of unanswered questions regarding Trista.
Grace- I would like to know why Trista asked Tori not to blog about Ayla anymore. More to the point, I'd like to know why Jeff seems to be taking Tori's side in the matter.
DeleteI had thought Tori and Trista were friends. A couple months ago Tori put those texts up that she said Trista sent to her phone and then Tori had to send them to her computer. Now she says the first time Trista reached out to her was around the time Tori's wifi connection went out (neighbors must have moved or changed their password) - so, she never got anything directly from Trista before? It must have all been coming from Jeff. I have to wonder how much Trista knew was being shared.
DeleteReally?-that's been my concern as well. How much did Trista really know about what was being shared over there? How much information was directly from Trista, and just how many blanks were they filling in themselves?
DeleteI'm not so sure that Tori & Trista were ever friends, or ever corresponded. I think that any and all info that Tori recieved about Trista, Ayla's case, and or the Reynolds family, all came from Jeff. <-- That, IMO a probable reason that Trista is so upset with Tori.
Deletemore questions, Jeff is just using both Tori and Trista.
DeleteTori got caught lying and tried to blame it on Trista when she said "If anyone's credibility could be looked at it's Trista's." in response to me leaking the news conference email. When I released the Peter Hyatt email next, Jeff knew he couldn't trust Tori anymore and booted her off the blog. He probably sent the texts/emails to her pretending to be Trista. Or the whole thing could just be a crock of lies, and Ashley is in on it or is being "diss-graced" by Tori and Jeff. The only two people mentioning the texts/emails from Trista is Ashley and Tori (IIRC), and they are both proven liars.
Because everyone is bailing and things are so bad at U4A, I guess Jeff thought Tori needed to reappear and calm things down. He allowed Tori to make this post and she took the opportunity to stick it to Trista one more time. Or it could be that Tori and Jeff are both using Trista's name, and she is blissfully unaware of the whole thing.
Despite what she said in her post, Tori is not in charge of U4A anymore.
All my opinion based on known facts, your mileage may vary.
Thanks for your thoughts, Grace. I certainly remember the whole "Trista's credibility" thing with regard to the email. That was shady as hell.
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Hi Tori, at least you don’t release the emails that Trista sent you, or divulge what she said. I am glad to hear from you. You are the voice of reason in all the madness the other blogger, the #2 blogger and Grace have caused. They couldn’t keep a confidence if their children’s life depended on it. I knew why you were absent, but I never once betrayed your confidence and/or divulged your reason, and peopled asked a lot. It’s called integrity. Sadly, it is missing in the other blogger and her crazy commenters.
If Tori is Suz's voice of reason then she is screwed. And thanks psycho Suz for giving us "crazy" commenters here a shout out. I dont buy Tori's bullshit for a second. It doesn't take integrity to buy whats being sold at U4A, it takes ignorance. Can I get an Amen?
Suz has no idea what confidences are kept by the people here. Then she decides she has integrity and other people are crazy.
DeleteI know what confidences are not kept here by reading all the private email releases in the blog updates on this blog.
DeleteI find it really funny how Suz and Heartbroken...the most unfair and judgmental and BRAINWASHED commenters over there...both say they knew about Tori the whole time but had soooo much integrity they kept it confidence. Yet John P had no clue supposedly and he took over Tori's mess with the blog. Suz and Heartbroken...if you and Tori are so BFF and you care about her so much to know what was going on with her behind the scenes then why didnt you step up and help out with the blog? And Suz if you feel this blog lacks integrity because of private emails released then why do you keep posting here? Because you crave attention...which is why you are making up this private relationship now Tori, whch is why you pretended someone called you a racist, which is why you made up how McKee was threatening to you. You are a bored middle aged woman in desperate need of some excitement. You are constantly looking for validation, just like the others there. None of you care about Ayla.
DeleteSuz, other than Ashley's, where do you think Obscure got those emails? She wasn't the sender nor the recipient. People were disclosing things said to them in confidence by other people. Let's look at 2 examples: Jeff Hanson's email - he had no business sharing that information to other bloggers before the pc when he got to info from Trista and he understood it wasn't to be shared until afterwards. That is relevant.; Peter Hyatt's email to Tori that she shared with someone else, in which he was betraying a confidence, then she was betraying one also - about a doctor who, though has access to Maine Med records, had no business looking at Ayla's xrays and speaking about them. That is also relevant. The only "confidence" directed to JSTL that wasn't kept was Ashley's. Ashley was being deceptive in the first place, she was entrusting anything. She said in the email she was fishing for information at U4A, then she posted on the wall at U4A that her fishing expedition here didn't get her any information.
DeleteSo true Space! Suz why dont you just go back to your leader
Delete@the space between, besides Ashley's emails, Obscure didn't "get" those emails from anywhere. They came from and were released online by me. Obscure received a copy of the Peter Hyatt email from someone who Tori must have also forwarded it to and released it here with the names unblocked.
DeleteTori is claiming that I stole the Peter Hyatt email by hacking into her email account. Gee, if I went fishing around in Tori's email account, don't you think I could have found something a bit more interesting than that email?
Actually, I never realized the implications of Peter discussing Ayla's case with the doctor. I was only trying to show that Tori reveals confidential information to others. I was blown away when Obscure pointed out Peters booboo on this blog.
I have worked in many fields, insurance, securities, law enforcement,law (legal secretary and collections), federal government (IRS),public school administration (IT), and scores more in the private sector (too many to remember!), but I am woefully ignorant about HIPAA and medical regulations.
Space Between - Well stated. You have explained it very clearly. I now feel that none of them should have trusted each other. There are no real friends in the blog world. I have never private emailed anyone, and I would never help anyone run a blog, no matter what info I know. It's not my responsibility to help John or any admin on that page, no matter what I know about Tori. I don't lie, I have known this shit the whole time, and even knowing it, I had no desire to tell anyone, or help any admins on U4A. I did tell one inquirer that it was none of her business. I guess that was rude. I get my info from a secret Facebook page, and I would not be in that group if I could not keep a confidence. On the blogs, I usually just agree or disagree with others, I never have any juicy info to share, but I appreciate that other people thrive on sharing personal stuff, and I do read it and respond with my opinion. Thanks again Space Between for clearly and rationally pointing those facts out to me. In this case, no one, except maybe LE can be trusted to keep their mouth shut, IMO.
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ReplyDeleteWHy is this deleted I'm curious
DeleteAshley...why are you asking? Obscure often gives a reason and it's usually: Don't be an ass, or, Don't post the names or information of unrelated [to the case] people.
DeleteIf you weren't just trying to look for trouble you wouldn't be jumping on this deleted comment and demanding an explanation. This is not your blog. You are here for one reason only. Because you picked the wrong side and your side imploded and there's nowhere left to get attention unless you come here. Now people are seeing the light; and it's a no brainer that your ship is sinking. I have no issue with you jumping on a life raft and heading over here to safety. But don't fucking come here and start poking holes in our ship. You drama queen.
Uh oh Ashley made even Pollyanna mad!
Deletethat might not even be Ashley
DeleteThat's Ashley, all right. Of all the comments that have been deleted, why are you so curious about this one? The show is over, there's nothing to see here!
DeleteI'm bringing this up again here because I don't want it buried on a thread from a couple of days ago. It is regarding the blood evidence. I was under the impression that McCausland confirmed the "more than a small cut would produce" statement, but when I re-read it, he may only be confirming that samples of Ayla's blood were discovered.
ReplyDeleteFrom the Morning Sentinel of January 29:
"The site also says that police told the family the amount of blood is “more than a small cut would produce.”
"McCausland wouldn't say how much blood had been discovered at the home.
"It was reported Saturday that police found blood in the house at 29 Violette Ave. when they searched it in December.
"The family contended on the website that state police shared the discovery with them, but planned to withhold the information from the media.
"McCausland said Sunday police had initially decided to withhold information that the blood belongs to Ayla because police need to perform tests on other samples.
"I prefer not to give out partial results, but (the Reynolds) family has released that tonight, and that information is correct," he said.
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At first blush, I thought that McCausland was confirming "more than a small cut..." But now I can see how it could read that McCausland was merely confirming that samples of Ayla's blood were found.
I sure could use more sets of eyes and minds on this. TIA!
"McCausland wouldnt say how much blood had been discovered in the home"...I see what you are saying now...that he confirmed the partial lab results showing that some was Aylas blood (other blood results pending or someone else's) but never confirmed how much blood. I could see how his statements could be understood both waya though...tricky and glad u caught that! . I also feel that he wasnt necessarily pleased the Reynolds released that statement because he specifically noted that he prefers not to give out partial results...which is funny since the Reynolds said LE told them they could release info if they wanted. It sounds to me he confirmed it because he had to (looks like the Reynolds put them in a spot) but their intention was to wait.
DeleteMcKee, you need to go to CNN and read the Nancy Grace transcripts. She tries every which way til Sunday to get him to reveal the amount and pattern, and he will not give it up.
DeleteMy understanding is this...
DeleteThe *amount* of blood discovered in the home was "more than a small cut would produce". This is most likely what was said to the Reynolds family.
However that does NOT mean that the entire amount of blood (more than a small cut would produce) found in the home belonged to Ayla. As McCausland said... "because police need to perform tests on other samples & I prefer not to give out partial results".
,..We have since learned that some of those samples belonged to Trista..umm via Wordman.
Are there other samples that belong to others, that we haven't heard about? Could be.
mckeekitty, I have always wondered why people said LE said the amount of blood is “more than a small cut would produce.” I have never been able to find anything where LE gives any description of the amount.
DeleteIt was Trista/Jeff, who first stated, “more than a small cut would produce.” The police have never confirmed that, they only confirmed that some of the blood found was Ayla's. Later, Jeff stated it was more than a cup.
I think people are reading "between the lines" what was said. They are interpreting it to what they want it to mean - Justin killed Ayla.
I have never understood why LE can't say more than "some of the blood was Ayla's". To me, it sounds like LE thought they would "break Justin" with the blood evidence.
How can releasing more info on the blood hinder their investigation? I personally think LE thought they had something to pin on Justin, but it turned out to be nothing. Nothing that you wouldn't find in anyone's home. Their tactics didn't work.
signed:getrealpeople
Grace...you are correct. It is VERY clear that LE will NOT discuss the blood amount.
DeleteSo we have Jeff saying "more than a small cut would produce" and then pushing the envelope with "more than a cupful." LE will not confirm/deny either statement. You are all correct...just samples of Ayla's blood was discovered and confirmed.
Didn't Jeff say he would take down the A4A blog is so requested by LE? Now, even that statement seems suspect to me. Not only suspect, but kind of bizarre.
OT: It is SO refreshing to discuss this case with intelligent adults. When I saw that KJ was posting here rather regularly with insightful posts and replies, I didn't feel quite as intimidated. So I read more. I saw civility and respect, complimented by a low tolerence for BS. All qualities I admire.
LE had no choice but to reveal the blood evidence to Trista, as it was the only way they could question her about her blood being found. I recently read a very good article about this somewhere, but I can't remember where right now. The gist of it was sometimes LE has to take a gamble and reveal some details during questioning, knowing that it might be leaked.
DeleteI don't know if it has been revealed exactly what day Justin was shown the luminol evidence, but I am sure he was asked to account for all the blood found in the basement. All of the blood has been identified IMO or the DiPietro's would have proof of an intruder. If any of it belonged to other family members who were dna tested, I am sure LE would have questioned them privately as well, and we have heard nothing about that. So far, the only two that were questioned that we know of is Trista and Justin.
Grace, Phoebe mentioned that everyone in the house had to do a dna swab - I think she said that was on day 2. Perhaps it was to match up the samples?
DeleteGetrealpeople, I have thought that too at times- that police put out just enough rope for the guilty party to tie a noose. But I have come to believe that the blood evidence is solid, that whatever the precise amount it's enough to persuade police Ayla is dead. It was only 6 days into the investigation when homicide detectives showed up and police announced there was foul play. They have to have had evidence that early to suggest the probability of death. I think it was blood, though there could have been something else we don't know about.
Delete"But I have come to believe that the blood evidence is solid, that whatever the precise amount it's enough to persuade police Ayla is dead."
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This was my thinking as well, maybe. But McCausland didn't make mention of the blood in the press conference. He made several hollow references for concluding that Ayla was dead, but nothing specific to blood or items found in the dam as Jeff asserted in the email.
McCausland said it was a "culmination" of factors that led MSP to conclude Ayla is deceased. That tells me that the blood evidence cannot stand alone. And he peppers some factors that I call out as BS. Read the PC again, and you will hopefully see what I mean.
@McKeekitty
DeleteGood point culmination of factors could be two facts or several. So maybe it is the small amount of blood they found which is not enough to stand alone and the other factors are those they have already stated which are that it just does not pass the straight face test that someone could walk into the home and not leave evidence for them to find. And they just believe people in the house are not telling them everything. One thing he states loud and clear is that they believe the amount of time that has passed is a factor in their coming to their conclusion for why they believe Ayla could be dead.
Thank you all for your perspectives. The wording baffled me.
ReplyDeleteYes, I have read dozens of times that LE WILL NOT DISCUSS BLOOD AMOUNTS...even in this very article that I'm quoting from. So clearly, McCausland is not confirming the "more than a small cut would produce" statement He is only confirming that samples of Ayla's blood were discovered. IMO, this was a poorly penned article.
vs2vs...I've had the same thoughts. I have a hard time imagining that LE approves of these "investigative details" being released on ANY blog. Frankly, I can easily see them pissed off about it. Here's hoping there is some clever strategy/tactic in play.
Wonder when Jeff will post that MSP leaked to him that "more than six gallons of Ayla's blood was discovered."
Again, I thank you all. I see this issue much more clearly now.
I think, like you said, Kitty, the article was poorly penned. I don't think we can overlook the media's role in spreading misinformation. I'm not even saying that anyone from the media intentionally mislead anyone or tried to provide false information. I'm just saying, writers and reporters are human beings. Some are more skilled at their jobs than others. Some are better at taking notes. Some are better at explaining their notes. Unfortunately we are at the mercy of all of them, the good, the bad, and the mediocre, when it comes to getting information about Ayla's disappearance.
DeleteAs a bit of an illustration, I can use myself as an example. I am very involved in my community, and happened to have participated in two separate events this past week during which I made remarks and those remarks were quoted by local media. (Before anyone goes all crazy and tries to figure out who I am by that little bit of personal info, don't bother. I can assure you that I'm nobody exciting.) Anyway, it was interesting because each and every news outlet that quoted me, whether it was in print, or via video broadcast, did it differently. Some replaced words I said with their own words (with the same general meaning), and some left out words I said all together. The video came the closest to relaying what I really said at one of the events, but they edited for time, and provided only snippets of my entire remarks. They inserted their own explanations for what was missing in between. In my case, nothing I said was so consequential that a misquote could have a dramatic impact on anyone's life. However, imagine that same type of reporting being applied to Ayla's case, and well, I think you can see my point.
mckee - "IMO, this was a poorly penned article." Agreed. I don't think we've seen many that are well-written. I don't understand the praise of Ben McCanna. The long "article" about Justin and the Tudelas was extraordinarily scarce of direct quotes from Justin, and the few he shared seemed out of context. Like, the one about "this is far from over." Well, what was he asked? What was said before and after that? The most talked about part of that article is "the neo-Victorian manse with the sweeping views of the Kennebec." It's a little odd to me that commenters "over there" praise Ben, and seemingly add the description of the house as another reason to hate the Tudelas. The Tudelas didn't describe the house like that, those were Ben's totally unnecessary words.
DeleteIf there were call for me to be interviewed (hopefully there never is), I would likely choose the Bangor paper.
There is a post on another forum in response to KJ's article. I feel the need to address a comment...
ReplyDelete•margyf1 on Sept 17,2012 you said :
My opinion is based on LE and MSP evidence, which is a lot, thus far.
What evidence would that be exactly?
you said ; While under daddy’s care Ayla suffered a broken arm without immediate care.. , bruises, obvious cut(s) to her little body and god knows what else.
Yes, Ayla’s arm was broken, but do you have proof that it was not accidental? Did LE confirm anywhere they have documented proof of injuries caused by abuse?.
you said; Daddy is an individual who took Ayla from custody of the Reynolds familiy relative via DHHS where he had connections.
Yes the circumstances and the connection between DHHS and the DiPietro/Tudella/Small families seem odd, but NO CONFIRMED FACTS coming from LE. Trista’s own statements, on live TV confirm she had an arrangement with Justin to care for Ayla while she went to rehab. Again, it may seem odd but no proof of any crime.
you said; He buys a Life Insurance Policy shortly before his “daughter” goes “missing”.
Yup this is indeed an “oddity” but not proof.
you said; Blood evidence is more than what a small cut would produce says LE.
Yet no proof/evidence from LE just how much “More” is.
you said; Daddy refuses to give LE or MSP any clues as to what happened to his “daughter” other than she was kidnapped. The FBI totally rejected that this was a kidnapping from the get go! End of that story right there.
I believe what they say is “they BELIEVE the 3 adults in the house know more than they are telling”. I have not read a statement from the FBI stating no kidnapping, have you? So no actually that’s not the end of that story.
you said; He does not speak out with emotions to anyone. He remains silent throughout these 9 months. He shows zero zip for any emotions. His face remains totally placid. He expresses no pain or being distraught over this AT ALL! Not exactly what a loving father would do or would act like when is child goes missing. I ask you: What is left to figure out?
How do you know how JD feels, who he shares his inner most thoughts with? What do you base your statements on? Unless you have crawled up inside his head, you don’t know do you. “What is left to figure out”? The truth! That is what is left to figure out.
you said; I have never been on the fence as to who did this to this poor sweet child. The father reeks with guilt. It’s a no brainer and he will pay sooner or later when he gets that knock on his door from MSP! Party’s over for him and the others at that moment, who are connected with this crime.
Wow, please don’t hold back Margy!! You base your theory on what? But what if you are wrong, what then?
you said; I have read from good sources and people connected with LE that this case is far from a cold case and that LE is still building, what will be a very strong case, to bring justice to those horrible person(s) who caused enormous pain and terror to this poor sweet child. I can only imagine the horrific fear Ayla must have had while being harmed by him!
Your sources please! If you are correct and someone in that house did in fact hurt (or worse) ABR there will be no place for them to hide. If LE has proof that ABR is no longer with us AND that she succumbed to such horrific injuries, at the hands of someone in that house the evidence will speak for itself. Until then the assumptions/theories are just that assumptions and theories. It has been 9 months; perhaps your good sources and people connected to LE have had ample time to put together that very strong case you mentioned.
I have been on both sides of the fence regarding those who could possibly be involved in her disappearance. I have considered all the scenarios you mentioned and have come to a sobering conclusion. I was wrong to assume anything, now I sit in center, waiting for the day LE answers the question we all ask. Where is Ayla?
great post GG ITA!
ReplyDeleteI am also to this point with it all. I would feel horrible if Justin is innocent and I will feel that way because I've degraded his name for so many months. That was wrong and I am now also neutral.