Anyway, it was brought to my attention that some of you were discussing the bloody sheet. I was forwarded a few emails that may or may not shine some light on the issue...for me, this just reinforces the fact that the main source for some of the "facts" in this case cannot be trusted!
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Hmmm....
If anyone is interested, the text of the original "Stand by Your Man" blog post is as follows (I can forward the PDF file if verification is needed, I just cannot post it here):
STAND BY YOUR MAN
I was surprised when I read recently about how Courtney Roberts, present during the time Ayla Reynolds was reported missing, thinks Justin DiPietro is a “stud” but that her opinion is biased. I should say so; I just thought it would be biased in a different way bearing in mind the information provided to me by Ayla’s mother Trista Reynolds [was the info really provided by Ayla's mother, or is this another one of Jeffrey's creative thinking episodes?]. I really think Courtney Roberts is showing great courage and fortitude sticking with her man through all this even while the evidence of his possible involvement continues to build. I just don’t understand it, considering the six month long affair Justin was having with Trista between May 2011 and one week before Trista went into rehab in October 2011 [hype, why must this be made into more than what it was?].
In all fairness, having sex with the father of your child three times in six months scarcely counts as a full blown affair [ya think?]. Perhaps it is more accurate to say Justin cheated on Courtney Roberts three times with the mother of his child. I commend Courtney Roberts on her loyalty to her man. While she was out of the apartment going to school to improve her life or at work earning a paycheck, Justin was at home with Trista making love [LIE]. I cheated on a girlfriend once and it was the worst mistake, I could not live with the guilt, so I told her. I pleaded with her not to leave me and she didn’t, not then, but our relationship soon fell apart. There can be no love where there is no trust [There is obviously some sort of love and/or trust. Despite the rumors started at U4A, Justin and Courtney remain together AFAIK...JEALOUS MUCH?].
Trista, for her part, always wanted to be with Justin; actually, she wanted to be a family. The thought of her and Justin together with Ayla had, until recently, been her fondest wish. So when they mutually agreed to make love that first time after Justin had been living with Courtney Roberts, [Justin didn't live with Courtney, or vice versa] Trista believed that her dream of a genuine family was coming true [even though she says she didn't know Justin, and that they were just "mutual friends"]. She was concerned for Courtney Roberts feelings however but Justin assured her that it was none of Courtney’s business and “what we do is what we do”. Bold words. [She was concerned about Courtney?]
Since there was no real evidence of this secret relationship, I can understand why Courtney Roberts would believe whatever her man said over law enforcement, love is blind after all. But now investigators have verified to Trista that her blood was identified on Justin’s sheets that he travelled with from Portland. I can’t imagine the humiliation Courtney Roberts must have felt when investigators told her she had been sleeping in Justin and Trista’s queen size love nest [Love nest? Having sex with a man 3 times does not equal love]. Whatever else you make[sic] think of Courtney Roberts, you have to give this girl credit for standing by her man.
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I have to give the Reynolds and Hansons a round of applause. They are quite frankly some of the greatest storytellers I've ever had the pleasure of hearing. Are they making things up to "shake trees", or are they giving you all cold, hard facts? Will they say things for shock and awe? Will they say things to make Courtney feel bad, even if those things are not true? Will they say things to make Justin look bad, even if those things are not true? Why are they posting comments, pretending to be other people---all the while accusing ME of doing that, when I am not? Who is "Wordman"? It sounds to me like he and Jeff may be one and the same...
I can't forget about Tori, even though she's MIA. She also knows how to spin things just as well as anyone else...
So, she's in jeopardy of going to jail, and her big concern is how to use the information on a blog---without making herself look bad? No concern for how bad you look being handcuffed and carted off to jail for shoplifting. No concern about the example you're setting for your children...Just concern about looking good and JSTL finding out. Silly rabbit, tricks are for kids. How much of the above story (they love the blog) is BS?
Thoughts?
As the saying goes, Courtney's either brave or stupid! Looking at her as a person she doesn't appear stupid (but love does make the brain go gello). I have no real opinion on Courtney except to say that I think she's caught up in a very unusual and unfortunate set of circumstances.
ReplyDeleteA little birdie told me that some of Tori's "people" asked for proof about the fine's before they would "contribute" and mysteriously it was never provided.
ReplyDeleteHmmm...
DeleteI have emails to back up the above statement. Just sayin.....
DeleteThat's weird though, because there is proof that she DID have fines, and she also was arrested in the past for not paying the fines/fees. I believe she's a liar and a con artist, but I don't think this is something she was lying about...JMO
DeleteAnd don't get me wrong, I'm not doubting YOU, I just think it's kind of weird...
DeleteYou are forgetting her $2000 electric bill that was still unpaid. Coincidence the fines were the same amount? I think not. JMHO however.
DeleteAlso, when she was arrested for not paying fines in the past, it was published in the newspaper, right? But not this time? Oh right, I forgot, they didn't arrest her because they liked her blog....
DeleteGood points, Grace...it was published before, but perhaps if she turned herself in---versus having a warrant served---it wouldn't make the paper? There's way too much going on...but nothing is leading to AYLA.
DeleteI believe that is the point, Obscure. Any and all roads leading away from Ayla.
DeleteMy LE contact says "If they showed up at her house to tell her about the fines...a warrant was served." Isn't that what she claimed I found? A warrant that LE "forgot" about?
DeleteFunny, I don't remember telling MSP about any outstanding warrants on Tori.....
OMG, I'm confused. You're right though...
DeleteI think Tori is in jail and that is why we haven't heard from her in over a month.
DeleteI've received a message from Tori, just a few days ago. So while she may not be posting publicly, she has communicated to others. I do not think that jails allow internet access. She is not in jail. -KJ
DeleteOne of my favorite quotes: "Those that know do not say, those that say do not know"
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DeleteNot sure if my previous post went through.
DeleteI have received communications from Tori, just a few days ago. I do not believe that jails allow internet access. Tori is not in jail. - KJ
Favorite quote "Those who know do not say, those who say do not know"
No surprise to me.
ReplyDeleteIt was pretty plain, the reason for the The Stand By Your Man, crappla.
Man enough to tell such a *story*, but not man enough to put it on his own blog. Of course not.
Poor Jeff he was so tired, and so distraught, he needed to take a break from blogging at that time. Had to reroute his website to J4A & another vindictive blog. Yeah he was distraught alright.
Tori,
What I find most curious is. ."Don't run with this until I talk to Jeff" ?? Hmmmmm...
The BS about WVP liking her blog, so extended her a courtesy... Don't believe that LE opperates that way.
Exactly...lots of fishy statements. I have to go back and read through some other posts now that I have these emails.
DeleteObscure, I am quite disappointed in you. As I was reading this blog, I waited..and waited..and waited..then NOTHING! Since I'm too tired to bother adding this onto the blog, I'll say it here.
ReplyDelete3 SEXUAL ENCOUNTERS AND A MENSTRUAL CYCLE
Good night.
ahhh...I forgot all about that! LOL
DeleteThis truly gets curiouser & curiouser. I love how the truth comes out. I only pray that the truth of Ayla's whereabouts comes out very soon. She needs to be home with those who: love her, are actually WORKING TO FIND HER, believe she's still alive, and love her with all their heart.
ReplyDeleteThis has become a game for U4A. Their true colors are showing. If you dare stand up for a LIVING AYLA, you get hatred & big, tough swear words thrown at you. Yet the ones running the blog are obviously manipulating those that read & believe every word they say like a bunch of sheep. It's absolute craziness. How is feeding hatred of Justin, Courtney, Phoebe, and Elisha doing ANYTHING to find Ayla (even if you think she's dead)?
Or get deleted. I am not allowed to post there anymore.
DeleteThey have even lost one of their more active commenters. Funny they say because of graphic nature which I have not seen.I have only seen Mckeekitty asking tough questions and calling BS when she sees it.
Deletemckeekitty says:
August 16, 2012 at 4:02 pm
I have been informed by Jeff that my comments are now in “mandatory moderation” due to complaints received regarding their “graphic nature”. Jeff informed me that further complaints will result in my being totally blocked from posting here.
I would like to extend my deep apologies to those I have offended.
I will be moving on as I do not appreciate being under the umbrella of “mandatory moderation.”
I will continue to seek answers and justice for Ayla, and I know you all will as well. That is what matters.
I will be gravely disappointed if this departing post is not permissable. I think it would reflect poorly on U4A as a whole.
My best to all of you, including those that I did not see eye-to-eye with.
Yes I got deleted for coming to McKee's defense. No comment moderation, they just removed all my posts and deleted me. I asked John P abput it and he said I have to ask Jeff why. He said Jeff and McKee have had issues for a long time. Well what the hell did I do? Nothing. They obviously are scared certain quesrions are now being asked and are doing damage control.
DeleteThey were all for McKee's comments when she was on the string Justin up boat now she asks questions about things they say that make no sense and is shunned. How is it they can discuss the any ways Ayla could have been murdered and not consider that graphic. I do not comment over there on the crazy train.
DeleteKnives, box cutters, pick ax, machete, bayonet, firearm--ironically, all these were introduced by John P.
DeleteGood point more questions
Delete@more questions - perhaps he's a Clue enthusiast :/
DeleteI wonder if these types of imaginings considered to be sensitive to the family. It seems the only ones that are insensitive to the family are those that suggest Ayla could be alive somewhere.
John P is naive. He wants to be liked. Which is why he allows the blog owners dump their mess on him....heis always stuck trying to answer questions while they disappear. And I think Tori has disappeared for good reason. She supposedly had "internet issues" per John P. Intenet issues for this long, yet she can sometimes post on FB? Puleeeze. And gullible John buys it and passes it on like its bible. She isnt around because she is hiding. Wonder why?
DeleteThe truth is you cannot have a neutral, unbiases blog at a family site. The site was originally develop by Trista's family to put out information and get support from well wishers. That was fine, anyone can do that.
DeleteWhen Jeff made his own blog that was fine too. Even the J4A blog was fine on it's own. But when they merged, the J4A blog could no longer represent themselves as unbiased. At the original J4A I do feel that some opposing views were accepted, though not many with opposing views would stop by and comment. At the new blog, it quickly descended into a biased family blog. They took in-experienced Moderators (John P, etc.) (and that's just my opinion) and threw them into the deep end of the moderation pool. Since they had their own emotional attachments and a desire to not hurt Jeff/Trista, they quickly decided to delete or moderate any post they felt might hurt. I would venture to guess that neither Jeff, Tori or the current moderators have had blogs or done much moderation before this case. I've been on the internet bulletin boards, forums (have my own family forum) and others since 1989. It's not easy to moderate fairly and you mix in a missing child and emotions and it can be a disaster. That is what you are seeing at United for Ayla (IMO).
In order to have a truly neutral discussion group, the moderators have to be neutral in their thinking about the case. OR they have to be extremely good at allowing what they personally do not believe to be stated publicly. I will say, Obscure does a very good job at that. I'm sure that Obscure (like most of us) has her opinions on this case, but she allows others to speak out (from what I have witnessed).
I want to feel free to ask question and I want to feel free to question what people have to say (any of the people). In my opinion, if someone is going to say bad about anyone, they should be questioned and not taken verbatim. As far as I am concerned the only innocent people in this whole case is AYLA and the good people who are truly trying to find out what happened.
The biggest lesson in this for anyone who wants to run a blog, or participate is, allow people to have their say. You might not agree, and if not, challenge what they have to say. You don't push people out with name calling and such just because they see something from a different angle than you do. Don't put people in nice little boxes labeled this or that. There is no one label that truly fits any of us. We are unique with individual views. It's why we all come together to talk. We all have something to learn and we all have something to teach. The smart people know this already! - KJ
Agreed! The thing that really rubs me the wrong way at this point is, if you dont want me and my opinions there fine. But to delete my comments then quote me saying things I didnt and/or change the context is shitty. I dont appreciate that, I never showed anyone any disrespect while I was there. I wish I had never commented there at all. Now I cant even defend what they are saying about me or things I said. Its easy to attack someone who has no way to defend themselves isnt it U4A?
DeleteAnonymous 12:08 I totally agree, it is not right to comment about someone and not allow them to defend their stance. I have not posted there in a while. While I admit that I have no idea who did what, it was hard at times to read only the bashing of one side. After a while of hearing it over and over, one starts to question why the need to continue with it? I think there are many raw deals being handed out all around in this case. All I want to know is what really happened to Ayla and where is she? - KJ
DeleteAgreed KJ - I used to think "where is Ayla Justin" was the worse one, but at least he was excruciatingly obvious about it and not an admin.
Delete@ KJ, very well said on 12:17 post. NOTHING in life is one sided, I prefer to look at the whole picture and while I still might come out with the same belief after doing so, I can at least say I didn't get to that point blindly (or maliciously). Could not agree with you more...
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DeletePlease don't link there just yet. I acknowledge the blog, but I have a feeling it's more of the same...
DeleteTori's statement about the fines is BS The charge was more than driving without a license. She was in court March 2010 for this and it seems to me after spending 120 days in jail you wouldn't just casually forget about the fines you have to pay because you were busy.
ReplyDeleteMarch 16, 2010
· Tori L. Gifford, 31, of Randolph and formerly of Oakland, operating after revocation Feb. 16 in Sidney and theft Jan. 22 in Augusta; 364 days in jail, all but 120 days suspended, one year probation, $1,000 fine.
· http://www.kjonline.com/archive/guilty-plea-in-theft-of-friends_-safe.html
And then after this court date she got arrested again for theft.
March 17, 2010
6:24 p.m., Tori L. Gifford, 31, address unknown, was arrested on a warrant and charged with theft after a report of shoplifting at a Whitten Road store.
http://www.onlinesentinel.com/archive/88091662.html
If you look at this list that I found with just a quick goggle search you will see Tori does not care about the law. Tori does what Tori wants to do. How dare her look for others skeletons in their closets.
April 10, 2010
4/10 at 5:45 p.m. Tori Gifford, 31, of Randolph, was arrested on Maine Mall Road by Officer Benjamin Macisso on charges of theft by unauthorized taking, violation of conditional release, and possession or transfer of theft devices.
http://www.theforecaster.net/content/s-sppox-8
August 14, 2010
Tori L. Gifford, 29, Oakland, warrant, unpaid fines and fees, Aug. 11, $365 cash bail, Maine State Police.
http://www.sunjournal.com/node/263725
November 18, 2010
Tori L. Gifford, 30, Oakland, violating condition of release, operating while license suspended or revoked, with prior, and attaching false plates on Aug. 11, found guilty on first and second charges, fined $250 on first charge; fined $500 on second charge; third charge dismissed.
http://www.sunjournal.com/node/560870
Interesting that she could get the money for bail, but not for her fines.
DeleteIs it possible she's in jail now and that why she's MIA???
Deleteanon - THAT would be ironic AND also funny
DeleteReally?.....I thought so :)
DeleteThat would explain her "partial" internet use.
DeleteI doubt she's in jail...but anything is possible.
Deletehmmm... well, she did say in the email that she had to turn herself in at the jail
Deleteyeah...IJDK
DeleteHow can her age go from 31 to 29 in the same year?
Deletemaybe they just took her word for it?
Deletei have to tell you that i am enjoying this blog much more than U4A. This blog is much more open than the other one. I find the other blog to be the same people over and over and it s pathetic over there. I will no longer be visiting that waste of time. Obscure keep doing what your doing because I believe this blog speaks the truth. Good Job
ReplyDeleteWell, thanks!
Deletebellaboo, ITA. I mostly stopped by this blog to read the viewpoints, but have started participating a little. I have found tht when someone is reasonable with others, they are reasonable in return. At least that has been my experience here.
DeleteThank you Obscure.
I am not saying this info is accurate or not, but then again how can you? If you are not affiliated with the family, how can you say "[LIE]" to anything related to Trista and Justin? All due respect, If Justin did do these things of course he would say it was a lie because to do otherwise is to admit he cheated on Courtney. I could extrapolate that out further to say he might not want Courtney that mad at him in the event she knows anything that could be used against him (but that would be making assumptions and assumptions are not allowed here). Yes, I know you are going to say Trista has lied too... but that doesn't mean lies aren't coming from other areas as well. Lies are not mutually exclusive. How do you personally KNOW fact or fiction? Have circumstances changed? Are you now affiliated with the paternal side of the family? It's important to know ALL of our sources, not just discuss how bad people think the ones from the maternal side are.
ReplyDeleteI agree, how would we know either way? But why one earth would he keep bloody sheets from an affair he did not want to continue? Not to mention that he does have another child which would have been conceived during the time he and Courtney were a couple...maybe they have an open relationship, who knows.
DeleteIF he was having an affair, how do we know he did not want to continue? To me, still having bloody sheets in his possession means the affair was quite recent to the time he moved the mattress and sheets to Waterville... so the "visits" (changing the word from affair because I know people will jump on that word) probably only ceased when Ayla went "missing" that next day. Not many people would keep unwashed bloody sheets lying around very long. Especially when they have a girlfriend who did not bleed on them. Again, I'm not able to say if these statements are true, but how are you going to discount them? Take Justin's word (which would be Justin's word through someone else because he does not comments about such things)? Take Obscures word? I'm just saying, it's easy to say something is not true, not so easy to adequately back that up - and I have to say this is an answer that I think is more meaningful than not. Prove the "visits" and you prove there are more liars than just Trista out there. Something many people are not willing to look at currently.
DeleteCharlieSheen---how the hell do you know the sheets were UNwashed?
DeleteTrista (via Wordman) herself has told us when the "affair" ended, so why would you speculate beyond that time frame? Also, Trista (via Wordman) says the affair was not even really an affair. It was 3 sexual encounters.
You DO NOT have Trista's direct word with regard to these things either.
I'm NOT asking anyone to take my word for anything. When I post facts, I usually make that clear. When info is given to me, I make that clear also.
Proving the "visits" to me proves that Trista was lying about the abuse, about Justin keeping Ayla from her, and about why she filed for parental rights and responsibilities. How does that prove Justin a liar, when he has not spoken on the issue?
@ Ob, point taken, I do not know if they were washed or unwashed. I had not considered that they were washed and still point to Trista (if they truly did with LE). I do not have Trista's direct word on anything, but I also have not said anything is for sure true or not as you have a couple of times.
DeletePer Derek on a previous post, Justin denied having these relations with Trista, so yes, proving the "visits" would also prove Justin to be lying. I made the assumption that Derek was repeating something Justin actually told him, and not that Derek himself was lying.
The blood on the sheets is relevant if it is Trista's. There is no getting around that.
I assumed from what I read about the sheets that they were washed and that what was found was residue left in the fibers. Not necessarily that the blood was viewable or even new. I definitely could be wrong in that assumption, but it was what I understood it to be. - KJ
DeleteThe issue for me is not whether Trista & Justin had sex, or how many times.
DeleteIt's the pure vindictiveness of this. Jeff in his email to whoever plainly says "He's setting Courtney up for the post he will do tonight".
Another thing, Trista didn't write this, Wordamn did, whoever that may be. Jeff says .."this is a draft of what wordman has compiled from the *data we gave him*. Who is *we*? Why is there a *WE* involved? Shouldn't there just be Trista involved in telling this story?
As well as.."see how the one sided text messages fit into it".
Come on...Doesn't that suggesdt that this is contrived in some ways?
That's my opinion anyway.
Contrived and vindctive. That's Ayla's grandpa Jeff.
S - I agree that it was contrived... it wasn't put out there for full-disclosure, it was aimed at Courtney and Justin... which is obvious by the manner in which it was presented. Hard to know whose idea it was, or what the motive, or what part(s) of it is true.
DeleteS.
DeleteGood post.
For those interested, here is Jeff's email to me:
"mckeekitty, I have received several complaints about the graphic nature of your comments. I have set your main IP to mandatory comment moderation before they can be posted.. If there are any more problems, I will block you completely... or at least until Tori can decide how to handle it."
Needless to say, I was stunned. I did not see this coming. I was a Morning Sentinel poster for the most part, and dipped my toes into the blogosphere soon after J4A launched. When I started asking some "difficult" questions these past couple of months, I was given the typical "stop reading too much into it, mckee."
Now I've been booted from U4A. There seems to be a sudden and desperate attempt to shield and protect Trista that I cannot understand. Posters that came to my defense have also been booted from U4A.
I do appreciate KJ's (M-I-M) posts here. A voice of reason.
I would say "United for Trista" might be a better blog title, except we've seen how quickly Jeff, Tori, and even John have blamed inaccurate things from Jeff (or Tori) on Trista. United for Jeff Hanson?
DeleteYes S good post.
DeleteWelcome MIM and Mckee
"He's setting Courtney up for the post he will do tonight on J4A." Does Wordman really believe what he’s been told? Does he think Courtney will be so upset with Justin that she will run to the police and confess that Justin killed Ayla?
Delete"This is a draft of what Wordman compiled from the data we gave him..he just has to make a few small changes (Courtney was not living with Justin).” What other changes is he making? This does not sound like Trista told Jeff about sleeping with Justin, and then he relayed it to Wordman. Sounds to me like Trista and Jeff got together and concocted a story and conned Wordman (if he’s not Jeff!) to post it. And why not write his own blog? Is it more believable if someone else writes it?
“They” say Trista has bared her soul to the public. That certainly must make her innocent? Right? But…..she said she never knew Justin, they were just two mutual friends. Then 4 months later, “The thought of her and Justin together with Ayla had, until recently, been her fondest wish.” (Until recently?)
Yes, vindictiveness and extreme jealousy.
Of course, this is all just my own opinion!
Even if it was true that Trista slept with Justin 3 times, and she bled on the sheets, you have to wonder what the significance of telling that is. What in the world does it have to do with Ayla’s disappearance? How is this connected to Ayla disappearing and how does it help in finding her?
signed:getrealpeople
@getrealpeople
Delete"Wordman" posted that story on J4A. I am guessing Jeff didn't want his name or his blog sullied by it.
Although it may not have any bearing on Ayla's disappearance, I believe it has a bearing on this case. If it's true, it could explain the blood that MSP was waiting for results on... and some of the blood they may have initially thought was Ayla's was not.
@the space between
DeleteYes, if true, it could help explain the blood that was found. So... the "cupful of blood found", the"more than a small cut would produce", was not all Ayla's blood? I think the comment about Trista's menstral blood actually makes their accusations about Justin brutally killing Ayla, and "spilling her blood all over the place" even "more" unbelievable.
Bringing up blood from Trista, IMO, was in response to the statement made by LE that all the blood was not Ayla's. They, for some reason, felt they needed to explain who else's blood was found? Why? That discredits the cupful of blood (of Ayla's). They didn't think it through, it was just a nasty remark directed towards Courtney. More than a small cut would produce? Sure, menstral blood is more than a small cut would produce.
signed:getrealpeople
quoted from April 2012 - "Trista, for her part, always wanted to be with Justin; actually, she wanted to be a family. The thought of her and Justin together with Ayla had, until recently, been her fondest wish."
ReplyDeleteInteresting.
Justin never tried to hide anything from Courtney. She is not the jealous type at all from what I saw. When Trista was telling the Nation she was not speaking to Justin for weeks after Ayla went missing he spoke with her daily. Several times a day. Some calls lasted for quite a long time. Where was Courtney? Right there. How do I know? I was was right there also. And I am here to tell you I saw no jealousy at all.
DeleteI am not calling you a liar Anon but who are you for us to believe what you say? Anyone can come on here and post as Anon and say they were there so back up what you say please :)
DeleteIt's okay. Really who is anyone for us to believe what they say. You can believe me or not it does not change that it is true.
DeleteNo offense but I havent ever claimed I was on the house. Thats a bold statement to say you were there as a witness without backing it up. And if you have no problem admitting you were there, is there a reason you cannot identify yourself?
DeleteThis is going nowhere fast. Anon if you don't believe the other Anon, so what? Even if she/he said exactly who she/he is, some of you will still question his/her story.
DeleteSometimes you just have to scroll past, and shut up! Not being rude, JMO
agreed, Obscure
DeleteWhy is witnessing phone conversations such a bold statement? Happens everyday. And how exactly would you back that up?
DeleteJeez here we go...I am entitled to ask arent I?i wasnt going to keep asking I was just explaining why I asked at all Obscure.
ReplyDeleteanon, I understand what you're saying... and anyone can ask anything, but that doesn't mean we will get answers. If the person making that statement wanted to disclose her/his name s/he wouldn't have posted as anon. All we can do is consider what was said and believe it or not believe it... we are not required to do either.
DeleteI get it, no disrespect but I am not five years old. I posted twice in response to Anon not twenty. Whats the big deal I asked it didnt hurt anyone and I have moved on. Jeez. I thought people could speak freely here. I could understand if I kept at it but I asked, explained my rationale for asking and thats it. Move along now I am done already :). And Anon didnt seem to mind me replying so to be told to scroll past and shut up wasnt necessary Obscure.
DeleteI get that. You are entitled to ask, but OBVIOUSLY the person posted anonymously because he/she doesn't want to share his/her identity. It's not rocket science, it's really not.
DeleteBut yeah, forgive me for interjecting there...
I'll take that. It wasn't necessary, but then again, neither were your two responses.
Delete& how are you not speaking freely? From what I just read, you said what you wanted to say---it hasn't been deleted has it?
It just gets better and better....
ReplyDeleteHey Jeff and Tori, had enough yet?
Don't be a poor winner Grace
ReplyDeleteRegarding those sheets. How do we know they had not been washed? Blood stains with DNA cannot be washed out that easily. I know this from a previous murder case.
ReplyDeleteI just posted the same question. Sorry, didn't see this first!
Delete@Bystander and Obscure - re: the sheets - one might go so far as to say "some of the blood found in the house had been cleaned"
DeleteIs that published somewhere? I'm lost...lol
DeleteMcCausland stated: "some of the blood was visible to the naked eye, and some through luminol".
DeleteIf they found a "washed" blood stain on a bedsheet, that was only visible through luminol, why would they think it was related to Ayla? Justin washed the bloody sheets and put them back on the bed? I highly doubt that. IF they found blood that had been cleaned up, it was not on the sheets.
Besides the fact, testing can tell if it is menstrual blood vs. regular blood. Why would they DNA test obviously old mentstrual blood (assuming the sheets weren't washed)?
Who thinks this stuff through? Blood on sheets? Or sheets on blood?
ReplyDeleteImpossible to say without LE confirmation.
Does anyone know Trista's whereabouts during the time that Justin and friends were moving the bed to the house?
posted by pogamen 8/17/2012
this is a question for pogamen. Is what you are doing called remote viewing?
ReplyDeletebellaboo, I didn't put names to much of anything until recently - trying to find common language to communicate such things. And I can't answer your question because I don't know how 'remote viewing' is defined. Do you know about 'Obadiah's Orb' or 'Probes of Law'?
DeleteThere's a big, looong story behind the sheets on blood statement. Above, S.'s comment already says what I think: Jeff? Tori? John? Trista? Wordman? Whoever? My temperature flashpoints when I see words like 'set up Courtney'.
Here's a message for Trista: "You didn't even fool the 'psychics'. Reel in the goons, please. How? Tell them what you did before I tell everybody that wants to read about it."
posted by pogamen 8/17/2012
@pogamen
DeleteWOW!!!
signed:getrealpeople
Here's a question...when did Trista give a dna sample? Did anyone else have to give one? If there was visible blood on the sheets, wouldn't they have tested Courtney, Elisha and Phoebe as well?
ReplyDeleteNo, because they told Trista about the blood and she confessed about her sexual encounters with Justin, while on her period, so why would LE have to test anyway else? (sarcasm, of course!)
Deletesigned:getrealpeople
Holy crap @Pogamen...are you saying what I think you're saying?!
ReplyDeleteI'm lost. Is there a Pogamen translator on this blog?
DeleteBystander - I didn't understand either :(
Deleteanon 20:47 - I'm not a mindreader over the internet. I can try to use the net to find you, read your thoughts, return to my computer, and answer 'yes' or 'no' - as long as 'saying' includes 'thinking' and 'writing'. Seriously, though, I saw something that was questionable (time-wise), and it wasn't given total consideration until Obscure posted these emails. Slam dunk. Zero doubt.
DeleteI don't want to leave a 'false impression', but I do want to give Trista an opportunity to correct their course. Attacking Courtney in such a way is off limits. By that, I mean to say that I will not remain silent about the blood evidence and Trista's involvement. In the end, it has nothing to do with Ayla's abduction.
@Bystander - Those are my sentiments, exactly.
@the space between - I'm sure I had the right 'Reply' link, but apparently not. My post fell down around everyone's feet again. The context is up above (where you and S. are). Oh, well, make the best of it while I'm down here... ((((everybody))))
posted by pogamen 8/17/2012
@pogamen - I thought about it awhile and the only thing I could come up with was - Are you saying Trista had "relations" with one of Justin's roommates on his bed while he was in Waterville?
Delete@pogamen - Blood = Setup ! Just because there was blood does not mean sexual relations. Was Cortney suppose to find the soiled sheets ?
DeleteThat discussion is so disgusting. I can't be the only one who thinks that is some nasty shit, and if Trista planted it on purpose...
DeleteI won't go there.
*telling myself to shut the hell up before I get out of line*
Carry on...
@the space between - a 'chain of evidence' breaks down because of opportunity in an unmonitored environment. She could have done the entire National Guard on Justin's bed before he moved it, and it still has nothing to do with Ayla's disappearance.
DeleteThink about this. When was the last time you moved a large bed? Did you leave the sheets on the bed when you moved it? Or did you take the sheets, blankets, and pillows off the bed? You are using a truck to move a queen(?) size bed. It's not easy or clean.
Now you're home. Your buddies take the bed inside and you grab a pile of sheets. You hold the door open for your buds. They walk into a darkened home because the sunlight has dialated their pupils to pinpoints. Your buds ask you where you want them to put it. You toss the pile of sheets down on the floor, where they can wait for laundry, and help your buds.
This is why I mentioned the importance of knowing which way it went... 'blood on sheets' or 'sheets on blood'.
posted by pogamen 8/18/2012
@unknown soul - exactly; there are too many logic leaps going on. And no, I don't think that's the reason for what happened.
Delete@Obscure - Yes, disgusting. That's why I didn't go there. I would prefer to stay away from these... (wordless) ...activities. I'm okay with Trista and gang hurting themselves with wild accusations for the show, but Courtney has done nothing to warrant them pulling her into their hog wallow. Please let us know if they move forward with their 'set up'. Thanks.
posted by pogamen 8/18/2012
@ pogamen
Delete"Please let us know if they move forward with their 'set up'. Thanks".
I don't think it worked out as planned.
@S - It didn't work for Trista as planned, either. Here is something seemingly benign that was also 'seen' at the same time...
DeleteI beleive Trista left a (shopping) coupon for Justin; maybe in protest of a bank savings account. "Now to leave the coupon." Reading... "Good Buy" (good-bye) - more words spoken about savings and redemption.
The whole thing is unbelievable - I thought it was 'aftermath' - after a trial, conviction, and now rehearsing for a movie. It was all premeditated.
posted by pogamen 8/18/2012
McKeeKitty,
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure if you noticed but the shit-storm on the other blog seemed to start when there was a suggestion about a post topic on Justin Linell and the Cool Street sighting. They didn't start a Linnell topic, but the Kadoe topic didn't go over well. That post brought about the most bitter comment-fest I've seen on there. And, sadly, it was all due to the desire to look at things from a new perspective.
Anyways, I'm posting over here in case you don't go back over there. I think it's really crappy how they ganged up on you the way they did.
From what I've seen, they treated kadoe very badly. Why? Why isn't her story of Ayla being alive acceptable? Because, they believe Justin killed Ayla, and that is all there is to it! Oh, of lately, they all wish
DeleteAyla is alive, but at the same time they "know" she is dead (at Justin's hand).
It's good to see you (mckeekitty), and others, starting to question what happened to Ayla.
I will add, I do not believe Phoebe had anything to do with Ayla's disappearance.
signed:getrealpeople
Wait, so Kadoe is saying that Ayla is alive? Who is Kadoe---the furry boots bandit?
DeleteWho is Kadoe---the furry boots bandit?
DeleteYep
I don't think Kadoe is implying that Ayla is alive, just that someone saw a child with a furry booted woman. Which could mean Ayla is alive, but that is not something I have ever seen Kadoe say. Kadoe is not the witness, but a family member of the witness, IIRC.
Delete@Obscure
DeleteYes, furry boots. Her friend supposedly saw Phoebe (wearing furry boots), early in the morning, with three men, of which one was carrying Ayla. Apparently her friend thought Ayla was alive, but U4A commenters said (if it was true) Ayla was dead. UGH.. Something to that effect! That is why I brought it up, Ayla is always dead in their scenarios!
signed:getrealpeople
Again, the only reason I brought it up is because even if someone blames Justin, or a family member, Ayla can't be alive!
DeleteHere's a few of the comments I found:
U4A: Additional Theories for discussion
mountain mama says:
July 23, 2012 at 12:37 pm
kadoe i asked you awhile back if Phoebe got in the car too. Your comment today makes it sound like she did. Am I correct? Also you have said that you think Ayla’s alive, Do you still think so? I’m just curious.
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kadoe says:
July 23, 2012 at 1:07 pm
the witness believes all the people got into the car. i believe phoebe n the dips staged an adbuction. who else knew the house and which coat was ayla’s. the child was wrapped in the coat. if i were to take my child out for a walk on a cold winter’s morning, i certainly would put the coat on a sleeping child. not to difficult to put a coat on a sleeping child. they were in a hurry to get the child out of there. i don’t believe they would carry a dead body several hundred yards to the parked car. the child appeared to be sleeping. i don’t care what alibi phoebe has. she WAS SEEN on cool st that morning. phoebe needs to be raked over the coals, slowly.
kadoe says:
July 23, 2012 at 9:40 pm
john, i commend you for your dedication. tonight before coming home i stopped at 1 of my favorite spots . ft halifax park, which overlooks the dam where ” items of interest ” were found. as i was getting ready to leave, low and behold , the spouse of the witness showed up, we started talking about the case. the frustration and anger vented from the spouse at LE far exceeds mine. THE WITNESS SAW PHOEBE THAT MORNING. it wasn’t someone who looked like her, it wasn’t the wrong morning. at this point i really don’t care what people call me. i know a key FACT involving this case, and that gives me a sense of peace. i don’t really care about the bed, the blood and all the other bullshit. that baby was alive that morning when taken from the home. in all your minds, please play out your theories with phoebe taking that living child from the home that morning. the people who say this story is bullshit, should be looked at as causing a diversion.
Chicky says:
July 23, 2012 at 10:10 pm
So the baby they saw was awake???
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kadoe says:
July 23, 2012 at 10:22 pm
the baby appeared to b sleeping.
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Chicky says:
July 23, 2012 at 10:48 pm
It would be a possibility then that the baby was either sleeping or, I’m sorry to say, not alive.
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Heather says:
July 23, 2012 at 11:27 pm
True..or passed out/dying….Justin stated she didn’t meet her demise “in” the house.
signed:getrealpeople
kadoe is wrong law enforcement checked and verified my where abouts. I don't own furry boots and the woman with the men seen is a woman who Ben McCanna has confirmed lives in Wtvl and has a toddler. give it a rest.
DeletePhoebe
Thanks Phoebe. I don't think anyone here believed that story.
DeleteSorry Phoebe, I was just responding to a comment about kadoe's story, and the craziness that goes on at U4A.
DeleteI don't believe it, and as Bystander said, " I don't think anyone here believed that story".
signed:getrealpeople
Perhaps Kadoe and the witness could speak to Ben McCanna to alleviate their apparent frustrations.
Delete@Phoebe - thank you for speaking to that.
I just searched Kadoe's comments over there, are some of them gone now? From what I can make out, he/she is not even the actual witness?
Deleteugh.
I don't know if the comments were removed. I can't spend much time over there anymore, it gives me a headache and makes my eyebrow twitch. I do remember reading s/he is not the actual witness. Apparently the witness doesn't have internet. I deeply feel they believe what they are saying, but I also deeply feel it's not true.
DeleteObscure, thanks for adding the "recent comments". :)
ReplyDeletesigned:getrealpeople
No problem, I think it's helpful. People keep commenting on old posts, and you would have had to look at every page to see them.
Deletethe entire DiPietro family including the children voluntarily gave dna samples on day 2 of the investigation. how do I know because I was there. they take swabs samples from the inside of your mouth just like tv. believe me or not.
ReplyDeleteI thank the people who have come to this site and kept their minds open. I thank Obscure and #2 moderator for maintaining this site. I also thank all of you whether you have negative thoughts about most of my family or not because you have all opened your hearts for Ayla. Please continue to keep your hearts and eyes open for Ayla.
Phoebe
Phoebe, May Ayla be returned safe and soundly to your her loving family. I do not think you, or any of your family, friends would ever harm Ayla.
DeleteThank you for your post. Take care.
sincerely:getrealpeople
Phoebe - that was kindly stated - I appreciate your post.
DeleteThank you very much for clearing this up for us, Ms. DiPietro.
Delete@ Phoebe :) <3
Delete((((Selena, Phoebe,(((Justin))), Elisha, Lance))))
Deletesigned:getrealpeople
Phoebe & Family,
DeleteMy most sincere best wishes. Ayla found a place in my heart, and she'll forever remain there. I continue to pray for her safe return, and SOON.
*thumbs up*
DeleteThank you, Phoebe!
PHOEBE!!!!!!! WHERE IS THAT PRECIOUS BABY??????? Unbelieveable is all I can say. . . . .
Delete"I also thank all of you whether you have negative thoughts about most of my family or not because you have all opened your hearts for Ayla. Please continue to keep your hearts and eyes open for Ayla."
DeletePhoebe, I have always wanted nothing more than for Ayla to be found safe. I continue to pray that it happens soon. - KJ
Phoebe,
DeleteYou have the power to change public opinion by just typing a few sentences.
Please address Ayla's blood being found! That is the point that is keeping a lot of people from being able to make the leap.
You wouldn't be here if you didn't want to take the opportunity to clarify things, like you did with the DNA testing post.
OT, but I wonder who is running the new blog. It has changed since yesterday!
ReplyDelete"Because we encourage all forms of opinions and discourage forcing our opinions fn this case on others we believe it is important and fair to provide links to all websites and blogs dedicated to Ayla regardless of context."
It has changed from one person to "we".
"DISCLAIMER This page is run by several people...."
Grace, did you have a comment removed? The blog welcome states: This blog welcomes all and any opinions.
IMO, this place sounds like an extension of U4A.
Posting a comment? I'll stick with Obscure's blog, thank you!
signed:getrealpeople
Good choice! ;)
DeleteFor sure! :)
Deletesigned:getrealpeople
Grace's comment was removed because it was abuse plain and simple. All are welcome to comment. The only thing I do not allow is needless drama, just as Obscure and basically anyone else who runs a blog and drama is what Grace was trying to start as it's the only thing she's really very good at. I am the main blog author but there are many and will be more.
DeleteAren't you feeding into the drama HERE by calling Grace paranoid and manipulative? Shall I remove these comments?
DeleteYes, I did have a comment removed. I accused the blog owner of being Jenn/Sarah/ObscureSucks.
ReplyDelete@Grace
Delete"However I do not welcome false accusations or unwanted drama directed towards me or my visitors. If you can keep that to a minimum then you are more than welcome to post here." I guess you didn't keep it to the minimum?!
I, personally, have never seen a "Lainey" post at any site. Odd that Lainey names JSTL as sites they/he/she have posted at, and then, other blogs. You think they have a problem with this blog! Who's blog is this?
signed:getrealpeople
Anonymouth is the same handle/nick/name that Jenn/Sarah/ObscureSucks was using for awhile, IIRC.
DeleteThere has been several new blogs. They come and go. I wish the new blog well though.
DeleteI've never seen a Lainey, but she/he may have been anonymous here. Anonymouth is familiar...not sure though.
Thanks, I remember seeing that name "anonymouth" somewhere, but couldn't remember where. I believe you are correct. :) If true, you'd think they would of changed their name! The website was posted on U4A after several people were reconsidering posting there, after mckeekitty got the e-mail from Jeff. But then they deleted the comment with the website. Aren't they clever!
Deletesigned:getrealpeople
At least this one isn't specifically targeting me or Obscure! LOL
DeleteRight!?
DeleteNot yet, anyway...
@Obscure
DeleteI can see why you commented as you did. But, keep an eye on this blog, as I'm sure you will.
Everyone posting, so far, is a dissenter from U4A. They are asking for e-mails for "guest submissions", and they have already deleted one comment (from Grace).
I think something is hinky with this site! I wouldn't/won't post there.
signed:getrealpeople
Yeah, I did comment earlier, but after a bit of thought--I removed it.
DeleteI'm always 2 steps ahead! ;)
Wow, you mean I was the first? I am honored! LOL
Delete(Posted and deleted below so I could put this reply where it makes sense!)
"Anonymouth is the same handle/nick/name that Jenn/Sarah/ObscureSucks was using for awhile, IIRC."
DeleteI remember the name.
Anonymouth was the name being used by someone who had a blog for a short while in early May. Don't remember the name of the blog. It wasn't around for very long. I think it only had 2 or 3 post, not many comments.
S. Not sure which blog you are talking about from May, as I never saw an Anonymouth moniker before. I use the handle Anonymouse (Anon Y Mouse)and had a blog for a short time. I still have that handle and use it at times. I do not know who Anonymouth is. At first I thought it might be McKeeKitty, only because she had just left U4A, but the person who is Anonymouth said he/she is not McKeeKitty.
DeleteOne of the reasons I post here with my Missing In Maine account, is that everyone already knows that one and when I post, I have no problem with my post being credited to me. It also helps prevent others from "pretending" to be me.
I did read that new blog, but frankly, the whole Jenn/Sarah/Obscuresucks person made me think twice about where I post. I've watched JSTL for a long time and right now, I feel safe posting here. - KJ
I'm not Jenn, Sarah, Obscuresucks, McKeeKitty or the Anonymouth who has been commenting on the blogs or creating blogs. My name IS Lainey and while I have commented via it a few times I usually go by anonymous. Grace, please stop trying to inflict paranoia in people. I know why you are doing it and that is because you do not want people visiting blogs other than yours. You're a very manipulative person and your comment was removed for a reason. I created my blog as a safe haven for those whose voices have been silenced to use should they so wish. I am not forcing anyone to visit and that includes you.
DeleteIt isn't me, but the timing WAS strange. I have posted over at the new blog, but after my experience at U4A, I'm just wary of blogs in general. Seeing your posts here, KD, makes me a little more comfortable.
DeleteI think Phoebe's post was most gracious.
I chose to open my own blog after having my comments removed both here and at U4A. Removing comments is a problem for me, unless they are dramatic or abusing in nature. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and everyone should be allowed to have a voice.
DeleteStop the LIES.
DeleteIt's ridiculous to say I only allow comments that fit my agenda, or that I silence voices. Look around. You will see comments saying all types of crazy stuff. They are here. I even struggled with allowing the comments that were obnoxiously rude to Selena. But you know, as much as I respect and appreciate her for speaking out for her family, it's not my place to shield anyone from what's out there. (Hope you understand, Selena!) I also allow the crazy stuff to be said about myself.
So, with all of this being said, good luck with your blog, but these types of comments are not necessary. Use your platform, it's much needed. Go forth and do great things!
Anonymouth, I wish you luck with your new blog, but I think you can understand why people are hesitant. There have been some very weird things happening with people and blogs (in this case). People are going to naturally be cautious.
DeleteIf all you say about yourself and your blog is true, it will show by how you run it and how you handle those that post there.
At this point, I find that this blog allows all discussion, regarding of one's opinions and theories. That makes for good blogging, in my opinion. - KJ
* regardless * (it should have said)
DeleteMcKeeKitty, I'm glad to see you here too. I like the way you question things and do not just take things as people say them. It's obvious to me that not everything in this case is as it appears. Welcome! - KJ
Delete@ KJ,
DeleteJust so you know, it wasn't your blog that I was referring to that was around in early May. The person did use the name Anonymouth. There was a HUGE difference between Anonymouth & Anonymouse, and that blog and your blog.
I haven't visited the new blog yet. Doubtful that I will comment there.
M-I-M. Thanks. Your presence here makes me comfortable.
DeleteI'm being called cancerous, venom-filled, hateful, and other vile names over at U4A because I simply had some questions. The admins allow the attacks to go unchallenged. It is as though they are watching a cock fight, and relishing the spectacle.
I have no allegiance to any blog, but I do appreciate the exchange of thoughtful opinion and analysis regarding this case. I sense you do as well.
I don't know when this became a Justin-did-it verses a Trista-did-it game, but it has been reduced to such. How about Vear? The Tudelas? Linnell? An unknown? If I'm not burning the Dips in effegy, I'm not welcome to contribute. It wasn't always this way, but it is now. And I have to ask myself "why?"
mckee - I read over at J4A when it first started. My perception is things started changing when crime enthusiasts from SA started posting their strong opinions.
DeleteSince you don't wrap your words in a silk bow, people can take that as being antagonistic the moment you don't agree with what they are saying. Your writing style was fine with them before you started questioning.
McKee
DeleteOne thing that the Tudela's and all of Justin's "side" have always maintained is that no one has been ruled out as a suspect. So you are right everyone should be looked at equally until Ayla is found and that is all that they ask of anyone. Thanks for keeping an open mind.
Obscure,
ReplyDeleteI appreciate the thought.I know its out there.This is my thought...bring it to the light! The only reason it bothers me is that posts are wasted on defending me.I have never in my life had haters...hating me...people who disliked me...never....but I guess we all have to face these things some day.They have every right to feel how they feel and state it. I would rather have that done here than for them to get so filled with their hate that they take it out irl with bats through a window.Its better to be ware of the hate than not. I have been hardened....but forgive me now for those days when emotions just decide to overcome my thoughts. I have my weak moments! ;P
I definitely won't hold it against you! We all have those days...
DeletePosts are not wasted on defending you Selena. As I've said before, I sympathize with your position, and also Phoebe's.
DeleteFWIW, I've also been called names I haven't seen or heard since I used to play canasta on Yahoo. There are some really vulgar people on line. Perhaps that's how they deal with stress in their own lives.
Selena, I think you have been most gracious. I find that I am much more understanding of your position. For myself, the note I posted about you was not hatred for you (as I said in my message to you).
DeletePeople do have the right to their opinions, whether they are correct or not. I know exactly what you mean when you say "you have never in your life had haters..." I will join you in saying the same thing for myself. This case has brought out some very strange behavior in everyone (myself included). I'm trying to keep a reasonable reaction to all posters and posts. I will also avoid any threads that just look like trouble. But so far, I feel I have been treated quite fairly by everyone here. I appreciate that. - KJ
The space between, I agree with you. Defending posts are not a waste of time or space. A post in defense of another often shows another side of the coin. - KJ
DeleteWell said Space & KJ., and I wholeheartedly agree.
DeleteITA Obscure, space, & m-i-m,
DeletePosts are definitely not wasted on defending you Selena. Everyone has their own opinions, but there is no need for the hateful comments made to you (or anybody). And they can't always be ignored, hoping that person will go away.
signed:getrealpeople
Obscure,
ReplyDeleteI know it's been on here several times, but could you post your email again? I wanted to post something but wasn't sure where to put it. Also, I don't want to start anything or be bashed for information that has already been dismissed.
No problem.
Deletejuststopthelies @ yahoo.com
no spaces
I and probably others can not enlarge the emails above, woulf someone be kind enough to copy them into the comment so myself and others whos mobile will not allow to enlarge can read them aswell please.
ReplyDeleteSaying a prayer for Selena who is in the hospital. Feel better fast.
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