What items of Ayla's could have been found in the river? These are things that make sense, and also things that have been rumored to be found:
- PJs
- Sling/Splint
- Shoes (she had on footed pajamas though)
- Blanket
- Binky or Sippy Cup
- Backpack
We know the item(s) found in the river pretty much have to belong to Ayla, because the Reynolds keep saying that Trista is supposed to identify the items. IF some sort of weapon was found, and it contained her DNA, that is not something Trista would need to identify---it's not something she could identify. So, in my mind, I'm ruling that out.
Referring back to the above list of items, which could have gone missing with her, I do not understand how finding any one of those items points to a homicide. A kidnapper could have discarded the same items. DNA is not always blood, but it could be. In this case, we just don't know. The discussion about certain items (Jessica supposedly buying the pajamas, Jessica supposedly sending the backpack with Ayla, Trista supposedly asking about a blanket very early in the investigation) makes the discovery of ANY item seem hinky. These things, if I remember correctly, were discussed on blogs well before LE made any discovery in the dam. Why would the Reynolds family be foreshadowing things like this? Why did Jeffrey go to such great lengths to explain the blanket? He said Jessica wanted Ayla to have Lilly's blanket, even though Lilly is Ronnie's daughter....why would Ayla need a random blanket, and not one of her own that she used at the Reynolds' home? A blanket she was maybe attached to or familiar with would make more sense? Maybe I'm thinking too much into it...
Before law enforcement has even released any evidence about the item(s) found, the Reynolds family has already declared the item(s) to be Ayla's and linked it to her death. Why would the Reynolds make such a contention, when this is something law enforcement has not even released to them? Why does this seem to be the one thing law enforcement has withheld from them? Why does Jeffrey feel comfortable basically spreading rumors, instead of waiting to be told the truth and going from there? He has NO idea what item(s) were found, yet he introduces this topic and fuels baseless speculation.
I feel like a broken record saying this, but SOMETHING ISN'T RIGHT. My thoughts are a bit scattered in this post, but hopefully you get the drift.
Good day, folks!
I don't understand why you say the items HAVE to belong to Ayla. Admittedly I'm confused, mostly because I'm missing some pieces of information.
ReplyDeleteWhen they found the first items, why didn't they show them to Trista right away so that she could confirm whether or not they were Ayla's? Next question: Did they ever show them to Trista? If they did not show them to Trista, why not? Why send them to a crime lab first. That doesn't make sense at all. We've already talked about how senseless it would be to send all baby items found in rivers and elsewhere to the crime lab.
Ok, so getting back to your questions, Obscure. If they found some items that they know to belong to Ayla, whether they have blood on them or not, I can see why those findings would lead them to believe Ayla was dead. Sure, the clothing could have gotten in the river a variety of ways, but when you have a baby missing for this long and her clothing shows up in a river, to me it points to baby probably in the river dead. But then, I've already said I think she is dead anyway.
Why do I think she is dead? Well, because any other alternative seems just to way out there for me to believe. I can't think of one reasonable explanation of where she would be alive. Can you?
Bystander, I read the "have" to belong to Ayla as sarcasm. If you're looking for a reasonable explanation for Ayla to be alive, is there a reasonable explanation for her not to be? This is a strange case. My instincts, thoughts, and feelings have varied so much all I can say is I don't know what happened.
DeleteIf anything was found that was suspected to be related to Ayla, I can certainly understand taking the items to a crime lab first. If LE suspects they are related to Ayla, they wouldn't want Trista, Justin or any close family member near the items prior to lab testing. Although, they certainly could have taken photos and shared the photos with family members.
DeleteMy thoughts are that if they thought they were related to Ayla, why wouldn't they show them to Justin, since Justin went missing from Justin's family home. Doesn't it make sense that any items that left with Ayla would be recognized by Justin and not necessarily by Trista?
Personally, if they suspect that items are related, why not show pictures to both sides of the family and see what they each have to say.
I'm not sure any of the items were related, or if the LE just wants people to THINK they may have items related. I totally understand that the LE will leak information for their own purposes. I believe they have been doing that through Trista and Jeff. What their purpose is, only they (LE) know for sure. - KJ
Naturally, that was suppose to say "since Ayla went missing from Justin's family home!
Delete@KJ - ITA "if they suspect that items are related, why not show pictures to both sides of the family and see what they each have to say."
DeleteI haven't followed cases like this before, but they seem to be handling it strangely.
KJ, do you know anything about standard protocol on a federal or state level for missing children's cases? It seems to me there should be a guideline in place instead of reinventing the wheel on a case by case basis. LE, like anything, is fallible and their first impressions/judgments may not be accurate.
@Bystander
DeleteReasonable explanation number one:
Ayla is an adorable baby. Many babies are kidnapped everyday and hidden until they are forgotten.
Reasonable explanation number two:
Ayla could have been hidden in the midst of a custody battle gone bad. That also happens everyday all across America.
These things are not made up they are true facts. Not just stories that happen on tv. They happen in real life everyday. Do the research.
The space between, No I do not know the standard protocol for investigating a missing child on the state or federal level. I agree that there should be some set standards in place, instead of reinventing the wheel. I think the lack of a standard is partly responsible for the lack of solving some of these cases. Perhaps LE and survivors of Missing Person cases should get together and put a standard together. Even though all cases are unique, there must be some common details. Of course, the most difficult part is that we know that (in this case) that someone did something with Ayla. I say we know that because it has been stated/shown that Ayla did not walk out of that house by herself. Slowing down the resolution process is the person or persons who are NOT telling what happened. (And no, I'm not saying that I know who that person or persons are, I do not). But, there is absolutely someone or more than one someone who does know exactly what happened. So while the LE is trying to solve this case, those who may be involved are doing whatever they can to make sure evidence is not found and the case does not get resolved. There may even be people out there who know things that they do not even realize that they know. It's a puzzle and not one easily solved. - KJ
DeleteKJ, some of the things I'm thinking of are: 1. the home the child went missing from should be taped off immediately, no one in or out without protective gear; 2. anyone close to the child should immediately have blood tests taken to test for mind altering substances (in this case, not just the DiPietros, but also the Reynolds and Ray's father); 3. all vehicles should be taken to the crime lab (in this case, not just Justin's and Courtney's but also Phoebe, and the cars Trista was riding in - which I believe should have been pulled over - and those of her family); 4. all should be required to take a lie detector test within a week. I understand the blood test and the lie detector test can not be forced upon a person, but in situations like these I feel it should be. Perhaps they should also be required to speak with an LE-trained counselor once a week. I know if a child in my family went missing I would submit to these things without hesitation, and I would expect any other of my family to do so as well - and if they didn't I'd be wondering why and asking LE to make them do it.
DeleteIf more than 50% of abductions are done by parents and family...BOTH sets of parents should be locked down.Trista should have been stopped in her tracts instead of letting her dilly dally where ever until she made it to the police department.MSP should have stopped the car she was in on route to where ever.They had the paternal side in view and under watch. MSP made at least that one mistake and it is a doooooosy! How many more mistakes were made? I can start naming them off but they know what they did and didnt do.They decided that the three in the house where guilty of foul play before all of their information was tested....that was STUPID. Why yes...I am saying MSP was stupid.If they cant put their egos aside for a little one and fix this they arent worth their pay. Searching for the next ten years in the river isnt going to do shit.Although it makes great footage for a documentary on such things...*clears her throat.* Oops...my filter needs cleaned again.
Delete@Bystander 15:00
Delete" I can't think of one reasonable explanation of where she would be alive."
It happens everyday, abducted by a family member, a women who has lost a child.... Some children have been found 10, 20 years later. How many people do you think follow these cases? Most people don't even know about them, they may have heard it on the news once or twice, but that's it. You have to look at this realistically. Just because a handful of people on blogs follow this case doesn't mean Ayla isn't out there
alive, and nobody recognizes her.
signed:getrealpeople
There is a standard protocol for LE.
Deletewww.ncmec.org/en_US/publications/NC74.pdf
Hope the link works!
Obscure - is that suggested or required protocol?
DeleteObscure and/or KJ - who is responsible for establishing the criteria? If I or anyone else wanted to talk about changes to existing laws, who would we talk to? Who/what organization would be in a position to support change and how would they advocate for it?
Obscure, the link wasn't clickable, but it did work to cut and paste in the address line. Wow, 232 pages. I did not get to read it all, but it looks like it is quite thorough. I wonder if the Maine State Police have that and if the local authorities have also seen it. It would almost be worth, sending someone at all police depts the link.
DeleteThe space between, I'm not sure who is responsible for establishing criteria. It could be that procedures are established based on the laws. I've never looked into that, but it would be interesting to know. I would imagine that the Attorney Generals have some say on the procedures that the LE use, since they have to be sure that the procedure does not break any laws. The link that Obscure provided to the procedure manual from the National Center for Missing and Exploited children has some great information. I plan on reading it, just to get an idea of how these types of cases are investigated. As for advocating change, I would think an organization like the NCMEC would be a good place to start. - KJ
Selena, "If more than 50% of abductions are done by parents and family...BOTH sets of parents should be locked down."
DeleteI agree, when an abduction occurs all family members should be looked at. I agree with the Space Between, that blood samples should be taken from all family members. Whether something bad happened or not, that might help down the road if someone claims to be that missing person. Family DNA should be on file.
I agree, that the people on blogs and facebook, do not represent the majority of people. I am sure that I could go to my local store, stand in front and ask about Ayla. Sadly, most may not even know who she is and that she is missing. That is why sharing poster and pictures on the news and locally can be helpful. - KJ
My thoughts have been scattered about this as well, Obscure... too many lies... isn't there a saying about separating the wheat from the chaff? Does that apply here? I'm so confused. Indeed, even if lying is their normal MO why are Jeff and Trista doing that in regards to this case? What can be gained by it?
ReplyDeleteLies cover the truth. Maybe their truth needs covering.
DeleteThe crap they spew gives me a headache.
ReplyDelete@Michelle - me too!
DeleteI don't think the items belong to Ayla. I think that the only items on the list that Ayla left the house with were her PJ's and sling. And I believe those items went with Ayla. And the person who took Ayla obviously has her hidden very well so why wouldn't they keep those items hidden with her as well also.
DeletePutting them in a river would risk exposing their own DNA also. Why chance that?
I'm right there with you, Obscure. All of these little bits and pieces floating around...something is not right. Not to add to the confusion, but why wasn't the "blanket" visit included in the Reynold's timeline? Trying to diminish the fact that Trista had knowledge of the Dipietro home? Doesnt fit the "Justin wouldnt let Trista see Ayla" story? Too soon after rehab and doesn't fit the "Trista tried really hard but couldn't get Ayla back" story?
ReplyDeleteI always thought it odd that they brought up the blanket and backpack/bag, and then items were found in the river. The blanket was special to Jessica because it was her daughter's, then Jeff says it was Lilly's. The police have a picture of the blanket on a radiator in the basement? Trista, supposedly, has been asking police about these items since the beginning of January? (Why would a parent care about a blanket and bag when there daughter is missing?)
ReplyDeleteIt's really hard to remember, and keep up with all their lies.
If the items found in the river are Ayla's, you have to wonder who put them there!
Definitely, SOMETHING IS NOT RIGHT!
signed:getrealpeople
Who is Lilly? Not Jessica's daughter?
DeleteNo that is Trista's brother Ronnie's daughter.
DeleteI am trying to find out when the blanket and bag were first mentioned. Everything I've found so far, is after the first search. But, that's how Trista/Jeff work. They have answers, or suddenly remember something, after they get their prompt. It's all very odd. Makes me think someone is trying to frame someone else! Who? Why? Hmmmmm
ReplyDeleteApril 28, "What was found in the river?" J4A: a tweet from Rob Poindexter "A tip we got said the items found were a pink baby's blanket and a small backpack but state police would NOT confirm that information." (A tip? I'm sure it was a reliable source!)
May 12 Here's another snippet from our favorite yahoo contributor, CBG!
"Social network posts by case followers state the items found two weeks ago might have been a small backpack or bag and a pink baby blanket.
The posts purportedly identifying the items prompted a responsive post by Hanson. He noted the maternal family has been asking police about a pink baby blanket with lady bug decoration and a purple cameo bag. The items were sent to the DiPietro home with Ayla and have sentimental value for the Reynolds family.
If these are among the items, Hanson's post raises the possibility they were deposited there subsequent to Ayla's disappearance. He said police told the Reynolds family the evidence includes a photo of a pink blanket on a radiator in basement of the DiPietro house. The Reynolds family hasn't been able to verify whether the pink blanket is the ladybug blanket and/or the same blanket subsequently found in the river." http://news.yahoo.com/msp-calls-ayla-reynolds-mom-river-search-items-150600203.html (What a journalist!)
signed:getrealpeople
Replying to myself LOL
Delete"The Reynolds family hasn't been able to verify whether the pink blanket is the ladybug blanket and/or the same blanket subsequently found in the river."
LE never said a blanket was found, that I have seen. But, anyway, why would LE take a picture of a blanket for evidence, and not take the blanket itself? Doesn't make much sense, does it? Soooo.....how did this blanket end up in the river????
signed:getrealpeople
I'm having computer difficulties and don't know if this comment went through, so I'm posting it again!
DeleteReplying to myself LOL
"The Reynolds family hasn't been able to verify whether the pink blanket is the ladybug blanket and/or the same blanket subsequently found in the river."
LE has never said they found a blanket, that I have seen. But, anyway, why would LE take a picture of a piece of evidence, and not take the blanket itself? Makes no sense does it? Soooo....how did this blanket end up in the river?
signed:getrealpeople
I have noticed that Jeff brings up random stuff all the time. How bout the PJ'S being something that Jessica got to make Justin grow into the saying or some such spew. Really?? Jessica?? Jeff has come up with some good ones but that one goes directly under....Trista is incapable of lying. I am not saying Jessica didn’t buy pj like that…WHY on earth bring this snippet into conversation….what was so important about saying this? o.O
ReplyDeleteJeff does things for a purpose. I believe, he is very calculating in the things he says and does....There was no lead in to the PJ comment. It was posted at the end of a normal blog….kinda like Trista’s “Im just putting this out there” statements. It seems to me that anytime there is an interview…they do go through the hoops but then their agenda is addressed…
Anyone else feel that way? Did the media ever ask Jessica or Trista if AYLA was abused in those first few days? No…The girls brought that up. Why weren’t they freaking out about AYLA being missing instead of the “abuse”…? They weren’t saying where is AYLA? They were saying…Justin beat AYLA….(As if being caught at something and explaining why they did what they did to bring sympathy to the situation)I could be very wrong but they just reminded me of children in that situation.
Just thoughts.
I absolutely agree, Selena.
Delete"Jeff does things for a purpose. I believe, he is very calculating in the things he says and does"
DeleteYes, I agree. Yes he does things for a purpose, .but he doesn't pull the wool over as many eyes as he thinks.
ITA Selena
Deletemore questions, like you said on a blog in July, they turned a missing child case into a custody case. It has always been about why Trista should have Ayla. Always accusing Justin of abusing Ayla.
I don't think the pink blanket and bag that Jeff brought up was ever sent with Ayla. It was only brought up after items were found in the river to put more suspicion on Justin.
signed:getrealpeople
PJ’s and Ayla’s favorite stuffed animal was lost at Jessica’s house (don’t remember who said that). What is the importance in talking about this? There is a connection, Jeff has a purpose for everything he does. Only thing is, Jeff is not as smart as he thinks he is. Keep talking Jeff! Does Olivia’s father really have custody of her? Says a lot about Jessica’s feelings towards Justin, if it is true.
DeleteOT; Trista told, Nancy Grace(?), she was at a motel in S. Portland the night Ayla disappeared. She never mentioned any other adult being there with her. Months later it was said Jessica was also there, then it came out Trista was gone that morning to visit her fiancé in prison. She was so tired she slept on the trip there. (What happened during the night that she didn’t get any sleep?) Are the police concerned with Trista changing her story three times? Are the police concerned that her alibi is her sister? A mother who has had three children removed from her custody.
It’s all so confusing!
Signed:getrealpeople
Selena and we all care what lies you have to spew. . . . you know nothing because your funtional family is not talking. . .only they have the answers. . .maybe you should ask for them. . .oh yeah, I forgot, they aren't talking because talking would incrimate all of them. . . all low life liars! All low life's that don't have an issue with harming a beautiful helpless child. . . Oscure you know nothing. . . you haven't a clue what the Reynolds have been told and what they haven't . . .I would believe them over your crap any day. . .only time will tell and hopefully its sooner rather than later, Trista and her family deserves answers!
DeleteAnon 13:29 you know nothing. . . you haven't a clue what the Reynolds have been told and what they haven't.
DeleteYou have something to discuss, well let's discuss it, otherwise move on to another blog.
signed:getrealpeople
@ Anonymous13:29
DeleteWe all deserve answers...Because if it wasnt the maternal or the paternal...there is evil walking into our houses and stealing our babies as we sleep.
^what getrealpeople said. If all you're here to do is throw stupid crap out of your keyboard, find u4a. They'll welcome you with open arms.
DeleteIf you're willing to share your opinion with a little dignity & why you feel that way (without the ignorant insults), then feel free to join us.
Yes both children and guilty people Selena do the same. They often have a defense before it is even needed. Anyone notice here who has been busy defending from the beginning? And who has not?
ReplyDeleteLogically, the items could be clothing Ayla was wearing before her apparently staged disappearance in pjs with daddy advertising on them. These could have DNA (or other evidence)of both Ayla and the killer on them, particularly if they were removed because they were covered in her blood. They could also be items related to Ayla (like a diaper bag, for example) that were ruined by blood and removed from the death scene. If police believe Justin killed Ayla or is in cahoots with whoever did and if this evidence supports that conclusion, they would not be showing him the evidence.
ReplyDeleteAccording to locals, this area is where trash and other debris accumulates. They have listed items such as: baseball caps, shoes, lawn chairs, clothing, ice chests, etc., as being found every year. I would think most people from the area know this. Why risk disposing of items in an area that the probability of them being found is so high? If the items found were Ayla's, it seems whoever dumped them there wanted them to be found.
Deletesigned:getrealpeople
Those are good points. Do we really know that Ayla left the house wearing those PJ's? If she wasn't wearing those PJ's at the time she left the house (dead or alive), and LE was told she was wearing the PJ's the last the 3 in the house saw her, then I could see why they might want those PJ's to disappear. However, would they throw them in the river? I wouldn't. Have any of you thought about what you would do if you wanted to get rid of evidence (a body or clothing)?
DeleteI'm wondering if the blanket they found was stuffed inside the backpack rather than the two things found separately. That makes more sense to me. If the blanket had blood on it and was inside the backpack, would you guys not find that at all 'troubling', especially if it was Ayla's blanket with Ayla's blood?
The goofiness and lying of the maternal side (and their friends and supporters) don't play a role in this case in my thinking.
@Bystander, I don't believe LE ever said they found a blanket. They have never disclosed what items they found.
Deletesigned:getrealpeople
Bystander-yes, I would be very troubled if the blanket were found inside the backpack, but it would raise even more questions in my mind. Don't you think it would be an incredible coincidence for these two items to be found? As LE likes to remind us, the Dipietros live in a very small house. We've seen pics and there are few areas we've seen that aren't occupied with several objects. Wouldn't you find it odd that the only items that would've been compromised by blood belong exclusively to Ayla? I would expect to find cleaning rags, towels, sheets, rugs, maybe some toys or other small objects. Perhaps even Ayla's blanket. But the backpack? In the absence of other items I'd say its just a little too hinky for me.
DeleteI don't believe Ayla was wearing "Daddy's Princess" PJs, I think Justin and company just said that to make him look like a Daddy which he certainly wasn't. . he was a coward who couldn't protect his little girl. . . . anyone can be a father. . . .sperm doaner, but it takes a real MAN to be a daddy! Guess what? Justin doesn't and never will fit that bill!
DeleteAnon 13:32 What an ignorant comment. So, do you have experience being just a sperm "doaner"?
Deletesigned:getrealpeople
@Bystander 08:06
DeleteYou state, "The goofiness and lying of the maternal side (and their friends and supporters) don't play a role in this case in my thinking."
Could you explain that statement? If it plays no role, why the need for them to lie?
signed:getrealpeople
@getrealpeople
DeleteSometimes people lie for the sake of lying. They just add 'spice' to their stories. I think the maternal side has various motives. They want pity and they want to make the Dipietro's look guilty. Probably they forget what they've lied about and get trapped in a web of lies. I honestly don't read their stuff. If anything of interest comes from that side, I rely on Obscure to put it on this blog and she hasn't failed.
My thinking is that the maternal side is not smart enough to be behind the Ayla disappearance. They would have been caught by now.
@MoreQuestions 12:39
DeleteYes, finding only the blanket and backpack is hinky. I understand that it has never been 100% confirmed that those are the two items found, but that is what the finder said was found, according to one of the newspaper articles. Of course, we know how that information isn't always reliable either.
If the blood loss was only in the basement, then there might not have been all these other objects around to get blood on them. If there was as much blood as some people say, then I would think LE would have found some in other parts of the house. Maybe they did and we just don't know. On the other hand, maybe the amount of blood was small, and it has nothing to Ayla's disappearance at all.
Very good point, getreal. There should be no reason to lie whatsoever....about anything. Why jump out,at the beginning, and start lying about Justin abusing AYLA?
DeleteI think I want to watch those first few days again.Who was the first person to mention any type of abuse? (I think it was Jessica)Im almost certain as I watched the next interview with Trista...she almost seemed surprised that the media person brought it up.(Just an observation...from memory)Did she stumble a bit? Its worth looking at again.
***I'm not accusing just thinking***
Two siblings caught in something...one comes up with what seems like a good plan (the abuse)the other follows suit. Who is older? Who normally follows and who normally leads?
Some one mentioned that Trista was at the motel by herself until the evening Jessica popped in...which happens to be the very night AYLA is taken.
Everyone said Trista was in South Portland until months later we hear she was driving right through the area.....Im sorry but I do see importunity and motive...and two very pissed off sisters...pissed off at DHHS...Justin, the court system.
While we are talking about court system.We dont know if Trista thought by going in, for rights and responsibility, that the judge would give her immediate custody. How do we know that when she found out she had to wait for a hearing and what not she didnt get pissed. No one would listen to her...not DHHS,not the courts...Going home with Jessica who also has extremely bad time with them all and talking about this over ones favorite drink or what ever...I can see this. This isnt axe murdering cultist...this is a mom who wants her baby back.A mom that is tired of someone else telling her she cant take HER baby to visit who she wants. If I was half trashed and wanted my baby back...Id go get her in a minute.If I was a sister who has had my babies taken away and I was half trashed...I would go into a house and take a niece to give back to my sister...These girls are young and full of moxie...add drugs and alcohol and...their gonna get AYLA. Screw Justin....I also forgot the mental instability of being off meds for being tripolar...So bipolar that Amanda described her as almost to the point of having split personalities.That isnt in a news paper. That was in a phone conversation with me. Amanda also said that Trista is VERY vindictive...having sliced her car tires at one point....
Wow, Selena. Those things Amanda said about Trista are disturbing. WOW
DeleteDoes justin have contact with his other child ? Was the backpack one that was packed and sent with Ayla when justin picked her up from tristas aunt and sisters? If so LE saw that happen so they know if it went with Ayla or not.
DeleteI thought so. Amanda doesnt believe Trista has AYLA...but that is expected, I think. She was very candid. She really doesnt like Jessica...has no use for her. She says Ronnie SR. is a good man...and didnt have much to say about Jeff...other than he was around when Trista screamed at her about not attending the events...because of family matters that needed to be handled on the same day.They have gone seperate ways because they have grown apart in morals and whatnot.Amanda has a family to look after. Amanda said if she knew Trista was a bad mother she would turn her in as she has done so with a family member. Good and not so good aspects of what was going on. I have to be fair. Amanda said that Trista freaked because shoes werent put on AYLA before being taken outside on one occasion. Sooooo a mom who loves her children but is messed up....addictions can do that...No excuse but there it is.She said that Trista and her mother dont get along and that her mother is an addict and a mental wackadoo.Her words...crazy.
DeleteThese are things that I pretty much figured.I was told to call her any time I had questions.If I misrepresented her...I am sure she will be here to straighten it out.She is very straight forward and to the point. I like that.I wish her well with her family.She is one of many trying to scrape by and elevate her life. Trista is losing a good friend...one who only wants to see her do well. I like Amanda...
The first time Jeff spoke about Jessica giving things for AYLA by Jessica he said they were mashed into a plastic shopping bag...after it turned into this backpack...Jessica was pissed...I really doubt she stood there and thought....He will grow into this saying on the pj I have bought...Thats just stupid.
Delete@ Anon. 22:27,
DeleteThe bag that was packed for Ayla when Justin picked her up was said to ba a purple cameo bag..NOT a backpack.
Plus no one knows for sure if a backpack was among the items found near the dam.
@ Selena
DeleteThanks for sharing the things Amanda had to say with us.
S.
DeleteI can share but doesnt mean anyone has to believe what I have to say.The thought was if anyone had anything to ask...she is...was willing to answer with like candor. You are more than welcome.
Yes! NOT a back pack a cameo bag. Thanks S. These things do matter.I have a bad memory at times.
DeleteThank you for posting that Selena. None of that is surprising to me. I'm glad that you're able to talk with Amanda.
DeleteWhat Amanda says describes Trista and her family well. A mom who while she loves her daughter is at times volatile and mentally stable. And Becca as well is yes an addict and mentally unstable. Add Jessica to the mix who also has her own addictions problems and has had her children removed. And there you have Ayla's caretakers.
DeleteCaretakers who make no secret of their anger towards the father who they say they would very much like to sign off on the child and have asked him to do so from day one. No secret has been made of their anger towards the system "that did them wrong."
Fact: Parental abduction is the number one cause of missing children. According to NCMEC statstics out of 203,900 children missing only 58,200 are "non-family" abductions and only 115 of those are defined as frightening stranger abductions.
What are the personality profiles of parents
Deletewho may pose an abduction risk?:
❉ Profile l: Parents who have threatened to
abduct or have abducted previously
❉ Profile 2: Parents who are suspicious or
distrustful because of their belief that abuse
has occurred and who have social support
for their belief
❉ Profile 3: Parents who are paranoid
❉ Profile 4: Parents who are sociopathic.
❉ Profile 5: Parents who have strong ties to
another country and are ending a mixedculture marriage.
❉ Profile 6: Parents who feel disenfranchised
from the legal system (e.g., those who are
poor, a minority, or victims of abuse) and
have family and social support.
❉ A criminal record
❉ Reacted jealously to or felt threatened by
the other parent’s remarriage or new ro
mantic involvement.
❉ A history of marital instability, lack of coop
eration with the other parent, domestic vio
lence, or child abuse.
*No financial reason to stay in the area (e.g.,
the parent is unemployed, able to work
anywhere, or is financially independent)
❉ Previously abducted or threatened to abduct
the child. Some threats are unmistakable,
such as when an angry or vindictive parent
verbally threatens to kidnap the child so
that “you will never see the child again.”
Others are less direct. For instance, you
may learn about the other parent’s plans
through casual conversation with your child.
@ Selena,
DeleteAh, but your memory is fine. FIRST Jeff did say that Jessica stuffed what she thought Ayla would need into a shopping bag. LATER, a day or so, he changed that discription to this purple bag. For whatever reason he wanted that noted, down to the color & type. I found that curious.
S - I thought a cameo bag was a reusable shopping bag that you can get for 99 cents at many stores?
Delete@ Space,
DeleteI think you're right in that a cameo bag is like a reusable shopping bag. What it is, or means to Jeff, Trista or Jessica, I'm not sure.
What I am sure of though, is that Jeff first said, in answer to a comment, that when Justin came to get Ayla, Jessica put some of Ayla's things into a shopping bag. (no description)
LATER, a day or so, he felt the need, for some reason, to explain, this bag was a "purple camel bag". ( He said camel, not cameo) I remember it because I found it curious. Just one of those things that at the time struck me as odd. ..That he felt the need to describe this bag.
You're right - that is odd.
DeleteWhat is also going through my mind a lot lately is what was brought up recently. The Reynolds (Trista, Jessica, Becca) have been acting like this is a custody case and not a missing baby case. The first statement I read from Becca in the beginning was about DHHS always having it out for their family. Trista's interview with the Today Show was more about Justin than Ayla.
I've also recently seen where a newspaper quoted Trista's info release about her lie detector test. She said she wrote it, but would not comment further about it. I think it's fairly obvious by what writing we've seen of hers that she did not write that release. Wordman? Perhaps. Is Jeff and Wordman the same? When Trista decided to release the sex sheet info, it was done through Wordman as a guest post on J4A - and the language of it was clearly set to goad Courtney. I don't think the truth was what inspired them to share, but that she was hoping to drive a wedge between Justin and Courtney.
Correct, S. He did call it a "purple camel bag." I distinctly remember because I thought he was talking about the dark purple bags with the Camel logo that R.J. Reynolds used to produce to promote the cigarette brand.
Delete@ "S" and "more questions"
Delete"purple camel bag", from a cigarette company no less. How can this bag from a cigarette company have sentimental value? CRAZY!!! Keep talking Jeff.
signed:getrealpeople
@getreal-it could've been just a tote bag made of a fabric with a purple camel print? Or a cameo bag and "camel" was a typo? Or maybe purple "camo" as in a camoflage print? Or maybe it really was a Camel bag? Who knows. Everything they say is a riddle.
Delete@Selena-If I recall correctly, I think it may have been Whitney Raynor who first mentioned abuse. I can't be sure of that, but I know in the early days she was quoted as "family spokeswoman" for the Reynolds.
DeleteIm not so sure myself that is why I should...once again go back and watch those videos. Why has Whitney dropped out of the picture if she was "spokeswoman"for the Reynolds? She didnt hold that position for very long at all.So many questions and no answers.So many directions to proceed forward...thoughts that just passed through? Why? Why has every point of reference been torn down so that there is no connecting with them? I think its because of the pointing of fingers that the families arent communicating to solve what has gone on.That started at the very beginning.I started to go to Jeff's blog and post but most of my posts werent posted.If you have been watching who I am...Im not hard to get along with.As long as I dont take to many blows I am very reasonable.I just feel that those barriers where put up immediately. Perhaps I should take a deep breath and try again.Its not like I dont take cheap shots here on a daily basis...errrr Im talking myself into it.Maybe I need to grab some cash and head to Portland and have a few beers with Trista. I hate beer.
Deletethat sounds like a great idea, Selena
DeleteI remember Whitney speaking once, sort of, can't remember what she said. I think Jessica brought up the abuse first with Nancy Grace. I think it was the same show that Becca said DHHS doesn't like her family. Guess we need to go back and look!
DeleteSelena, please don't go to the other site. Get that thought out of your head girl.LOL
You've taken enough from these dim-witted, nasty, ignoramuses.
:)
signed:getrealpeople
@Selena-you did a great job articulating your thoughts. I get you :) You've got a big brain and a big heart-I say follow them and see where they lead you.
DeleteSelena? I know she's adult and you're adult, but you must be the responsible adult -> Do not give Trista beer. ((((Trista))))
Delete@Anon 10:29, who commented, "...According to NCMEC statstics out of 203,900 children missing only 58,200 are "non-family" abductions and only 115 of those are defined as frightening stranger abductions."
Anon, the repetition of faulty statistics gives them credibility they don't deserve. Before 2010, MCMEC database was sparsely populated, with many states not represented. These figures are misleading in another way. What difference is there between 'non-family' abductions and 'frightening stranger abductions'? Answer: None. One may, or may not, lead to the other.
It's frustrating. I check that website when I first 'see' a child abduction, and continue to check every few months. They are not 'johnny on the spot' with getting these kids entered into the database, so it's not a useful front line tool.
@more questions 08:47
DeleteYou are right. (I do tend to leave out some of my thinking.) It could be any of what you stated, but I think it odd that
1) Poindexter (the reporter) got a tip about a bag and pink blanket being found.
2) Trista has been asking LE if they found a cameo? bag and pink blanket with a ladybug on it, since a week, or so, after Ayla went missing.
3) After Poindexter gets his tip, Jeff tells about Trista's concerns for these items, they have sentimental value to the family.
Sounds staged to me. Besides the fact that her daughter is missing! Who gives a flying f**** about a bag and blanket!!! I find their behavior very disturbing.
signed:getrealpeople
About Whitney-it was something I read very, very early. Not a video. She mentioned bruises and that the family feared that Justin had lost his temper with Ayla.
Delete@ Pogamen,
DeleteLet me ease your mind and soul.Trista, as far as I am concerned, is family. I would never hurt family intentionally.I know that she is having problems with addictions. This is not something I would encourage. I also know it isnt something that I can "cure" either.I agree with you.Trista does need those hugs.She should have had them throughout her life.She needed someone to care before all this happened.I do believe, but have no facts,that it more than likely goes beyond just alcohol.I will keep her in my prayers...that being said,I think Trista and I would both gain something from a conversation.I have reached out to her...it is now up to her to reach back or turn her back.Either way,I will continue to keep her in my prayers.I will continue to consider her family and will treat her as such.If she is the one that has AYLA, it wouldnt change that.Yes, I get mad at family but that has never meant that I dont love them...that I dont care about them.
@Selena - you are so right. I hope she takes your hand. You see? I write that, and immediately my mind does a gutter ball. Nothing more to say, except to wish you luck.
DeleteWell that might be logical if Ayla had not been seen that Friday day and night by several people. And then was not then put to bed that night in that house which she was and was also witnessed. And then lastly if there was any proof at all of harm having come to her to show proof of death in that home which there is not at all. All these things do not support that conclusion. Which is probably why this case is at a stand still that and the fact that LE simply can not find Ayla.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 22:44, In order to believe that Ayla was in the house that Friday night, one has to believe the people that say she was there that Friday night. While I would love to believe that Ayla was seen that Friday day and night, I'm not sure that I do. I would love to have an independent (someone other than family/friend) sighting to confirm she was there. So far, I have not heard anyone other than family or friend say Ayla was there. If I do not believe the family and friends, I am not going to believe that Ayla was seen on Friday at all. If a person does believe the family and friends, then they naturally believe Ayla was there.
DeleteIF Ayla was missing before that Friday night, certainly those who are family or friends would lie to protect the story of an abduction. I also believe that it is possible for some of those reporting that Ayla was there to believe she was there, state she was there, but not actually have seen her that night. If I go to a friend’s house (who have kids) and they tell me the kids are in bed sleeping, I would certainly believe the kids were in bed sleeping. And if anyone asked me, I would probably say yes, the kids were there.
So, the fact that family and friend say she was there is suspect, in my opinion. Independent confirmation by a neighbor, a mailman, or store clerk or ANYONE would be more believable to me.
I'm not saying that the witnesses (family/friends) who say Ayla was there are lying, because I don't know what the truth really is. I don't know them and it's difficult to determine who is lying and who is telling the truth on all sides of this case. All I am saying is that any witnesses who are close to people involved in any case are not always reliable witnesses.
My biggest doubt in this case is IF Ayla was even there that weekend (of the abduction) or if she was removed prior to that. - KJ
I believe that she was removed prior to that as well. . . no reliable witnesses from that horror house thats for sure! All baby harming cowards!
Delete@ Anonymous13:34
DeleteWho is the coward *ANONYMOUS?*
KJ - I remember reading that LE was going on the assumption that Ayla was in the home that night. I also remember reading someone saw her at the store with 2 females that morning. I can't remember where I read that, but I believe that was part of the explanation of why LE believed she was there that night. Does anyone else remember seeing that?
DeleteReally? I don't recall reading anywhere that the LE was going on the assumption that Ayla was in the home that night. It could be true, but I don't recall seeing that anywhere. I haven't seen the LE say anything about what they believe (in that respect). I also did not see any report of someone seeing her at a store. I'm sure those things could have been stated somewhere, but I haven't seen them. I would love to hear the LE say they believe she was in the home that night. That would help clear up some things in my mind about the case. I just am not sure. - KJ
Delete@KJ
DeleteWhile I see what you are saying and to a certain extent agree because I believe some people can be convinced to cover up something for what they think is a good cause for a loved one or close friend. I have a very hard time believing that MANY people are willing to cover for a brutal crime committed such a this. People who were thought to have been very sane before this happened and functioning in society. Now on the other hand might a few people be willing to cover up what to them they felt was at the time less of a crime? Having been convinced they were doing the right thing by someone. And not knowing at the time how out of control things might become. And then once they were in too deep there was no turning back. And further more might those people have been the type of people who were not beyond breaking laws already. Were not functioning quite so well in society? Did not have the same respect for the law, LE, DHHS? Just something to think about.
@Anonymous 13:34
DeleteThe only cowards harming that baby are people like you.
You have no idea who the witness's are or how many there are. As it should be.
And assuming a baby was harmed is about as low as it goes.
Her name is Ayla. And there is no evidence of harm to Ayla in that home.
Selena, many people who post under annon do so because they do not want pictures of their children or grandchildren and home addresses posted here thereby putting other children at risk of abduction or prey for child molesters.
DeleteI'm thinking perhaps a reporter questioned McCausland at a pc about the possibility of Ayla being gone from the house before the 16th and he said they were operating under the assumption that she was in the house that night.
DeleteAs for the sighting, whoever it was said Ayla was in her pj's at the store. Someone complained about that (did she get changed? did she have a bath?). OK, it must have been a comment on J4A.
...oh youre saying Bob reads here! I thought Anon was being an ass by calling names and such and signing anon.huh....my bad.
DeleteAnon 22:33,
DeleteI think that Anon 13:34 is a coward as well.
I don't think it had anything to do with protecting their children and grandchildren.
Really Think about this... Very good points. And to add, IF some people are covering up, I'm not sure what type of crime is being covered up. It is possible that they believe they are doing the right thing for Ayla (in the case of a hidden child/custody issue). So, there are a lot of questions that only the people involved can answer. Most of us are just left with more questions than answers and when we do find some answers, it just begs more questions! - KJ
Delete@M-I-M 16:36, who states, "I would love to have an independent (someone other than family/friend) sighting to confirm she was there. So far, I have not heard anyone other than family or friend say Ayla was there."
Delete??? An independent sighting by a non-family, non-friend needed to confirm Ayla's presence in her home on Dec. 16??? You mean a stranger? Should we all invite a stranger into our homes each night, at bedtime, and allow the stranger to take inventory of our children?
M-I-M, I am as close to your description as comfort would reasonably allow. Will you believe me when I tell you Ayla went to sleep in that house on Dec. 16. She was there.
The uncomfortable option is testimony from the abductor. A surrender to federal authorities would be the best calculated choice for this person.
posted by pogamen 8/13/2012
pogamen, No I do not expect anyone would allow a "stranger" in their home. That's why this is a tough one. The only people who saw Ayla were family/friends. What I meant by an independent (someone other than family/friend) is if for some reason, they had taken Ayla out to a store and perhaps a clerk or another shopper saw them with her on that night. A pizza men delivering pizza to the home, etc. All I'm saying is that we do not have that outside confirmation that she was there. And if this is a custody grab, I would not be surprised if family and friend would cover up. It's very hard to know who is telling the truth and who is lying.
Deletepogamen, are you saying you were at the house that night and saw Ayla with your own eyes? If you were in the home and saw her yourself, I would believe she was there. Of course, that would make me wonder, if you are not close family/friend, why were you in the house?
I wish the abductor (if there is one) would surrender and that Ayla was returned to her family. This, of course, would be the best option for everyone. I'm just not sure that I believe that is possible. - KJ
Really? 22:58,
Delete"I'm thinking perhaps a reporter questioned McCausland at a pc about the possibility of Ayla being gone from the house before the 16th and he said they were operating under the assumption that she was in the house that night".
I remember that as well. I'm going to see if I can find that.
@ Really?, & KJ
Delete"MCCAUSLAND: Good questions, an most of those are investigative details we`re not going to get into. We`re going under the premise that little Ayla was there that night".
From Nancy Grace Show, Jan. 31.
S - I'm always so impressed by your memory - and also your logic and thoughtfulness.
DeleteS. Thank you. I do not typically watch Nancy Grace and had not seen that quote. I see that the LE stated that they are going under the premise that Ayla was there that night, but they are not confirming that she was. Nor do they know for a fact that she was or was not. Too many things in this case that are "maybe" and "if" and not enough "is".
DeleteThank you Space for your kind words.
DeleteI'm lucky to have always had a good memory. To be honest though, as I get older, I'm finding it isn't near as good as it use to be.
We have a lot of commenters here who are very thoughtful, including you.
M-I-M, you have confirmation of Ayla's presence in the home due to absence of a witness stating otherwise.
DeleteNot even a pizza man would be a good witness - law of averages. A good tip comes from smiling at a child in front of a mother. Smile in front of a father, say good-bye to any tip. Now, you have someone that should be able to tell you if a child was present. This is already known - there were three. I'm a grandmother - no kids allowed opening the door to strangers - especially the pizza man.
Yes, in an untoward way, I am saying that I was at their house on the day, the evening, and night of Dec. 16. I was in their home. I watched as Ayla went to sleep. I witnessed how Ayla was removed from her home. I found Ayla, 3 times, where she was taken. I have commented about some of those details, but not all. If you are asking about why I trespassed, it was with permission.
My physical body has never been in Maine. Souls have eyes, too. At this point, I'm compelled to withhold these details without clear and specific permission from local Waterville LE to make all of it public - not MSP, not FBI, but the local WVPD. I don't see that happening, as LE has not contacted me for any reason. Thus, I wait to see if someone is falsely accused. On that day, I will forward my affidavit to that legal team, or it will be done for me in my absence. I'm not stepping aside.
@the space between - ditto your comments about S.
@getrealpeople - your thoughts and questions are leading somewhere - don't stop.
posted by pogamen 8/13/2012
Normally the witness's in many cases are family and friends. And in a trial situation believe it or not family and friends ARE considered credible witness's. Especially if there are let's say not one but more than five or six. That is a whole lot of people willing to lie for one person who supposedly went crazy.
Delete"M-I-M, you have confirmation of Ayla's presence in the home due to absence of a witness stating otherwise."
Deletepogamen, Absense of a witness stating otherwise is proof of nothing. As far as me having confirmation, I would have to determine if I have the information from a credible witnesses that I believe. I'm sure you know you were there and I'm sure you know you witnessed what you witnessed. If that is true, hopefully the police take that seriously. But whether I believe that to be true or not is for me to determine.
In my opinion, I do not have absolute, concrete evidence that Ayla was in the home that night. What I have is the LE going on the 'assumption' that she was there, family members/friends saying she was there and you saying you were there (in spirit) and witnessed her there and her being taken. While that all sounds good, it doesn't meet my criteria of absolute. So, while she may well have been there, I still believe there is a possibility that she was not.
It must be difficult for you to know what happened and who did what, yet watch others tripping over their tongues trying to figure it out.
I'm sure at some point this case will be resolved and we will all know the truth of what happened and what did not happen. Until then, it's just a lot of he said, she said and theories. I'm patient, I'll wait for the final chapter. In the meantime, I'll keep reading everything that anyone has to say, perhaps somewhere in those writings are the missing puzzle pieces. - KJ
Anon 21:12, I know what you are saying and yes that is true. I'm only talking about what I believe. I do not know the handful of family and friends personally, and with that few saying she was there and them being close, I'm not sure I believe it. That doesn't make it true or false. But before I say I know for a fact Ayla was in that house that night, I need witnesses I would believe. For me, that would be someone other than family and friend. (at this point). I was merely saying that I will not state for a fact she was in that house, because I don't know for a fact that she was or that she wasn't. JMO - KJ
DeleteI guess we are lucky that when it comes to real justice in America we do not depend on people who get to make their own rules. A witness is a witness. And in a court of law their testimony would be valid.
DeleteIt is said to be family and several people not just "friend" who saw Ayla the day and night of her disappearance.
Delete@ M-I-M
DeleteI understand that you would like an independent witness such as a pizza man, but what I would be more interested in is knowing who in last few months prior to Ayla's disappearance visited the home, like a pizza man or a tradesman, perhaps even old acquaintances who could roughly determine the layout of the home.
@M-I-M/KJ - It didn't take preknowledge or a Magic 8 ball to know what your reply would be!
Delete...pogamen, are you saying you were at the house that night and saw Ayla with your own eyes?... YES
...If you were in the home and saw her yourself, I would believe she was there... My self DID see her, yet you doubt. I knew this was too easy. You lied.
...Of course, that would make me wonder, if you are not close family/friend, why were you in the house?... I even provided additional explanation, yet you still doubt.
Okay, then. I'm going to give you the name of a not-friendly witness who can also testify that Ayla was, in fact, asleep in the bed on the night of Dec. 16, 2011. It's a combo person (mix family with a squirt of friend and season with negativity). This person did nothing to wake/touch/harm/bother Ayla Reynolds on that night.
Justin Linnell.
If that doesn't pass your highness test, I can only say ... did you pay for that 8-ball in your pocket?
posted by pogamen 8/14/2012
In a situation that McCausland has said repeatedly they don't believe they've heard everything from the people in the house (or maybe those associated with it - from last pc) - where the focus seems to have been the family - it seems McCausland would say "we don't know if Ayla was there on the 16th" unless he had good reason to think she was there. IMO
Delete"Your highness test", what is that? If I told you I was also in that house that night, would you believe me based on my word? If I said my spirit (soul) was there and saw things, would you just take my word for it? I have to have a little more solid proof than "you said so". Since I do not even know who you are, how can I say I trust whatever you say? And I certainly would expect you and everyone else to not believe my soul (spirit) was there just based on my words.
DeleteIf the conversation has sunk to name calling "your highness test", then any value this conversation could have had has ended. - KJ
pogamen,
DeleteWhoa, that's an interesting piece of information.
I know Ayla was there the night of the 16th as well. I didn't see her, wasn't there, yet I know this...and can't explain how.
I know it's not acceptable to others though.
So Justin Linnell was there that night, and also Trista +/- Jessica (IIRC, this was in an earlier statement you made, but I'm not sure if it was literal)? I enjoy your comments even though I don't always understand them, but how is it that all of these people could have been there on the same night--yet none of them have any involvement? Someone confessed to TJP's murder...and liquid narcotics aren't really sold frequently by street pharmacists.
Delete@Anon 17:45 - I salute you.
Delete@LucifersHand - Good points. While I don't know, for fact, that investigative work was done, I don't believe it was accomplished in a straightforward manner. Anyone that was inside the residence from Oct to Dec 30 should have been on a questioner's list - a talk-to list. There should have been a face attached to each name for LE. The truth doesn't come from electronic listening and facebook photos.
posted by pogamen 8/15/2012
S. I can certainly accept that some people totally believe that Ayla was there that night, even if they can't say how it is they believe it. I've had many things (still do) that I know to be true, but could not explain to others how or why. It happens to all of us. That's the nature of humans. What I do not understand is people getting upset just because someone might not take their word for it alone. I accept that pogamen believes what she believes. One would expect that others would be understanding of those who are not ready or are not able to accept certain things, based on someones word alone. In this case, I am finding it harder and harder to accept anyone's word for anything, on all sides. When Ayla is found and the courts have had their day with those involved, I might then decide what I believe to be true. Until then, back to reading and wondering! - KJ
DeleteKJ - indeed, it is all perplexing - and it seems the more we hear the more confusing it gets. As McCausland stated in the pc "this case is far-reaching" (ie. not as cut and dry as some would like to believe)
Delete@M-I-M - Ahh! Excellent Q's!
DeleteHighness test - the height you have set the bar for reasonability is beyond the ability to hurdle, even with assistance of divine intervention. That's really high! The legal system uses words such as 'beyond reasonable doubt', and not 'beyond all doubt'. Without my involvement (with extra family assistance), I believe enough credibility has already been established to show that Ayla was in the house on Dec 16.
If you told me that you were also in that house that night, would I believe you based on your word? If the conversation was reversed, I wouldn't need to ask you; I would already know (or my family would know), because I was there. My visits were intermittent, but my Uncle remained the entire night, even after Ayla was taken from the house. It's recorded. You tell me where you were in that house, and I'll ask that it be checked. We can always use other perspectives.
KJ, are you not this person that stated... '...If you were in the home and saw her yourself, I would believe she was there...'? My self DID see her. It's that simple. I put credibility to all of your words. I won't make that mistake again.
Back to your first question - if you had told me that you were there, in spirit, (openly and candidly) then yes, I would have believed you. It's not something to toy around with and it is verifiable. You would know that. Others were there intermittently, in spirit, and have said as much. So, yes, I would have extended a hand of trust to you, too.
KJ, you missed the name calling aspect. The highness test belongs to the level of proof you are seeking for one of many points leading up to the night of Dec 16. The real name calling is here --> did you pay for that 8-ball in your pocket?
If you were in the house, then fine, I understand your position. If it was someone else that got it wrong, I was wondering if you paid for the information or not. That's the real name calling. Nothing specific, mind you, it's your timing that's suspicious. A face with a smile and eyes partially open.
posted by pogamen 8/15/2012
@S. - Everything you write, and all that you do in the background, has value to me. What's your perspective on this? -->
DeleteI believe...
Justin Linnell is an enigma. Even when it's in his own best interest to lie or say nothing, he tells the truth. He's violent, manipulative, lazy, irresponsible, and honest. [I must stop, I'm getting that behind-the-eye headache just thinking about this.]
I wrote about Justin L. because he is not involved in Ayla's disappearance, and I would come to his defense if he is accused of involvement of any kind. But he was in that house. He did not come for Gabby; he came for something of value that was supposed to be on Phoebe's dresser. He didn't find what he was looking for. He did notice a window that was still unlocked, because he left it unlocked when he lived there (in case he needed a speedy entry). From there, he went towards Ayla. He had no problem knowing she wasn't Gabby. He got snagged on, or tripped over, something that ended his brave forage into the dark. Then, he saw someone's shadow from under the bathroom door, which led to his departure.
That's the short story. If Justin L. would have sunk into the shadows instead of bolting, he would be the hero. I mention him now because he is honest, and I would believe whatever he claims to have seen that night.
posted by pogamen 8/15/2012
pogamen, Here is the thing. I don't have any answers. I have no idea what happened. I am no closer to knowing the truth today then I was when this case first started. So, I ask questions, I make statements (hoping to prompt questions/answers) and read what everyone says.
DeleteAs far as my "highness" level, aren't I the only person who can set my level? And yes, I admit it is set very high. I've trusted and been betrayed (as many have) and I purposely do not trust as easily as I once did. So, while I will not say what you (or anyone else) says is wrong, I can't say that I know it to be true. That might not make any sense to anyone but myself. That's ok.
Yes, I told you if you said you were in the house that night, I would believe you. What I should have said is that, while I believe that you think you were in the house that night and saw Ayla, I'm not sure I believe you were in the house. Again, highness level. I believe you honestly and truly believe it, I just don't know if I honestly believe it. That doesn't make it false.
As for name calling, why do any? Why belittle or speak in condescending manner to anyone asking a question? I don't have a magic 8 ball in my pocket. I'm a grandmother (like you) who has questions about a missing little girl. These things don't happen where I live, but I guess they do. So naturally, I am curious and wondering what happened. Could it happen to one of my five grandchildren? So knowing the why and how can be comforting or disturbing, depending on those answers.
I was not in the house. My question was a "what if" to demonstrate that why should you believe me, just because I say so. For the most part none of know the other people here. Which is fine, but are we expect to believe simply because a person says so?
Sorry if my timing is suspicious. I have been reading your posts since you started writing here. Your posts have intrigued me, confused me, made me think and many other things. I finally felt safe enough to ask questions. The questions come from an honest desire to know. Nothing else. If you are suspicious of my intent, simply do not answer my questions.
@ Kj,
Delete"One would expect that others would be understanding of those who are not ready or are not able to accept certain things, based on someones word alone'
I understand and agree.
@ Space, 19:31,
I couldn't agree more.
@ pogamen,
"all that you do in the background, has value to me".
Okay, here I shrug my shoulders..? I just wish I could do a lot more
My perspective of Justin L. I know extremely little about him. For whatever it's worth, no, I never felt that he had anything to do with Ayla's disappearance.
@KJ - I am my word. My word is my tool, my weapon. I come here in hopes of finding someone that says, 'No, you are wrong. I know this because...' I would believe that, and I did believe that, quite recently. It had to do with a seemingly innocuous bathroom closet. No, I wasn't wrong. The only not-correct issue was the fact that I gave Justin D credit for what I considered an ingenious use of space (two openings on the closet). That was a personal impression, not something witnessed. There's another bathroom in another house that got some handiwork, too. You want to hear about that? Or how about Justin D's towel rack?
DeleteI'm trying to say, if I push you - then push back! If you don't believe she was there that night, probe with your intuition and iaolate the reason for that. There's so many points to argue, and that one is fair game. The pendulum doesn't alter course without opposition. I could explain why some believe she wasn't there that night, and Bob Vear has an overlooked bit of evidence, but it is now nothing more than a dream. Something that happened and then didn't happen. This is not personal.
@the space between - Thank you for mentioning McCausland's words. I understand, more than most, how far-reaching this really is. I am not of like-mind with issues such as this. They can have their cake and eat someone else's lunch if they focussed on solving Ayla's case. This is about Ayla. This is about one child's abduction. They can keep their secrets, they can protect their buddies, they can let the feds investigate for years to come. All I want is closure for Ayla. Unless Obscure shuts me out, I'm going to start sharing these far-reaching aspects that are not Ayla.
posted by pogamen 8/16/2012
Correction
Deleteiaolate = isolate
Anon 22:44 that's a stretch. The police said Ayla is most likely dead. The police said foul play occurred in the house. The police said Ayla's blood was found with luminol and some visible to the naked eye in the house. The police say there was no kidnapping. The only people who have been identified who claim to have seen Ayla in that house Friday are the three people police say aren't being forthcoming about what happened and Derek Tudela and ? Phoebe. Even if you ignore every single thing the maternal family has said, what the police have said does not support the innocent DiPietros visited by a kidnapper scenario.
ReplyDeleteBelieve it or not, the police are capable of being wrong.
Delete@alternate answer
DeleteKidnapping/abduction is foul play.
We don't know how much blood was Ayla's. It could of been a few smears from a cut foot.
LE says they did not find evidence that supports a kidnapping. If someone walked into the house, went to Ayla's room and picked her up, then left, what trail of evidence would they leave?
McCausland says they don't THINK the three are telling them everything they know. They don't know this, they're speculating.
Doesn't pass the straight face test, smell test, whatever.
Sounds to me, everything LE has said supports the fact that they don't know what happened to Ayla, or who is responsible.
signed:getrealpeople
@ alternate answer,
DeleteSome of the things you state as LE saying, they have not said.
LE never said that Ayla's blood was found with luminol.
As far as blood, LE has said that *some* of the blood found was Ayla's. Never an amount. They've never revealed anything about the test from luminol.
LE said that there is *no evidence of a kidnapping*. No evidence doesn't mean that one could not have occured.
You are right in saying that the only people who have been identified as seeing Ayla on Friday were the 3 in the home that night, Derek & Phoebe.
That doesn't mean that others, we're unaware of, haven't confirmed to LE seeing her on the 16th.
@S 13:22
Delete"LE never said that Ayla's blood was found with luminol." Excellent point!
signed:getrealpeople
getrealpeople - "...evidence..."
DeleteThink, but do not write.
Yes, pogamen 02:31
Deletesigned:getrealpeople
getrealpeople - soulspeak
DeleteThink, but do naught. Right?
There's no bloody trail because there was no injury, yet there was a trail left because of a reaction to pain. What was it?
posted by pogamen 8/14/2012
@pogamen 20:46
DeleteI have my thoughts, but I won't say what they are.
I wish I could look at your all your comments with the "right" side of my brain, I'm having trouble doing that! Ever read the book "Drawing on the Right side of the Brain"? Very simplistically written,and couldn't put it down until I finished it. If you have read it you'll understand what I'm saying. If you haven't, you might enjoy it, you can read it in an afternoon.
signed:getrealpeople
"We know the item(s) found in the river pretty much have to belong to Ayla, because the Reynolds keep saying that Trista is supposed to identify the items"
ReplyDelete`Well, I'm not sure I trust that Trista is supposed to identify the items.
If MSP wanted her to identify the items, I think they would have done that by now. It has been over 3 months. It also seems more logical to me that MSP would have ask Justin to do the identifying, since Ayla was with him the last 2 months.
Many have commented that there is all kinds of stuff found in the river, especially near this particular site. An employee or worker was suppose to have saw or found the items. He or she must have thought something about these particular items was pretty unusual, because he notifyed MSP.
I don't think it was Ayla's Pj's or her splint/sling. Maybe, but I don't think so. I think if they had found those items, they would have found her. (And I don't believe she is deceased).
S. McCausland stated about the items.."We don't know what he have here". I'm thinking it was a blanker & backpack as rumored. I also think it had something on it, (the blanket) that looked suspicious. Perhaps the blanket was inside the backpack.?
Irregardless, I don't feel the items are related to Ayla.
Look up the definition of foul play. Kidnapping falls under that by LE's very own standards. LE NEVER ever said that Ayla nor anyone else's blood was visible to the naked eye. Talk about stretching a story. And that is not the only people who saw Ayla. Wrong and wrong again. See here is the thing. There is so much that the public does NOT know and is never going to know because it is not LE'S job to explain a case to them. And would be just plain stupid to do so. Look at what happens with what little they do share. LE is not trying to support any scenario to the public that is not their job. Their job is to crack this case by any means possible.
ReplyDeletePerhaps you missed it- "Police declined to comment on the website posting beyond confirming that testing revealed some of the blood was Ayla's.
DeleteEarlier Sunday, McCausland said that while some of the blood found in the home's basement "was visible to the naked eye, some wasn't.""
And LE came right out and said there was no kidnapping, no one bit of the hundreds of pieces of evidence support that theory, etc.
http://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-29/justice/justice_maine-missing-toddler_1_blood-police-basement?_s=PM:JUSTICE
blood detected using luminol
Deletehttp://articles.cnn.com/2012-01-29/justice/justice_maine-missing-toddler_1_blood-police-basement?_s=PM:JUSTICE
They do say, that the 3 adults in the house that night are not telling everything they know.
DeleteWhere does it say AYLA'S blood was found? Good point S.
DeletePolice confirmed some of the blood was Ayla's. Police said some blood visible to naked eye some detected with luminol. Proof that it was Ayla's found with luminol? Not absolutely. But in context, it's a resonable reading. At the time the police were saying some blood was Ayla's and some blood was still being tested. They did not identify either another person whose blood they found or mystery blood definitely identified not to be Ayla's.
DeleteWell ummm, Trista admits to some of it being her blood. .
DeleteSome blood visible (likely the four drops), some blood found with luminol (likely on the sheet)... JMO
DeleteAgain police did not say they found any of Ayla's blood visible to the naked eye. Sorry but again you are reading into what you want. And they did not say how much. Bottom line if there was a mass amount of blood found to have done harm to Ayla or blood from another person someone would be in jail. Ayla was not harmed in that home. And someone knows that. And is using it very much to their advantage.
DeleteHmmm alternate answer. You remind me of another person with answer in their name. He likes to scatter seeds so to speak around the internet world thru himself and his well lets call them "helpers". He leaves seeds of "information" he does not have to call it fact he just says what he says then lets it grow. He is a somewhat smart man at least when it comes to the world of internet I say. He knows that it does not take much for a seed of doubt to grow into fact and for people to believe and to lose touch with what came from where. And to lose what is truth and what is fiction. Now what we have is a lynch mob. Now what we have is diversion from possible truths.
ReplyDeleteObscure, about Jeffrey's comment from your post above... 'He said Jessica wanted Ayla to have Lilly's blanket, even though Lilly is Ronnie's daughter....'
ReplyDeleteI stay confused because of name repetition, which is why I use individual's initials - three initials is better. Help me out here...
I believe...
1. Ronnie is Lilly's father. (true or false)
2. Lilly's mother's name is Jessica. (true or false)
If this is not correct, do you know Lilly's mother's name?
posted by pogamen 8/12/2012
@pogamen Ronnie is Lilly's father. Jessica is Ronnie and Trista's sister, not Lilly's mother. Someone else might know Lilly's mother's name.
DeleteHere is a video shot after the Walk a few weeks ago. Doves were released, Trista's whole family is in the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL077dWjw4M
1) True
Delete2)false
Jessica is Lillys aunt.
Yes, Jessica the Aunt. I get that, but is there a Jessica-mother-of-Lilly?
DeleteThe 'Jessica' I met [untoward way] is not the Jessica-the-Aunt. Over the shoulder-length full-bodied light brown/dark blonde hair, average height and build, wears jeans and jean jacket a lot.
posted by pogamen 8/12/2012
...now that, I dont know!
Delete@pogamen - I remember you mentioned something about a tattoo or ring on a woman's finger - I remembered that as I watched the dove releasing video that showed Jessica's hand with a ring - I don't know if it is close to what you saw.
Delete@the space between - Nope, wasn't me.
Deleteposted by pogamen 8/13/2012
I thin Pogamen is actuall Bob Vear. . . . hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm maybe thats why people have felt that he/she sounds like a child molester.
DeletePogamen = Bob Vear
Delete@ Hmmm09:22
ReplyDeleteI think there are a few who do that.
Thats why this site is here.
It is not a fact that Ayla had on footed pj's when she dissapeared. Just because justin or anyone else says it does not make it fact. Anyone can lie.
ReplyDeleteDoes this statement apply to things pushed by the Reynolds?
Delete"ANYONE can lie" I believe it was justin who told LE what Ayla was wearing.
DeleteIf you are concerned with facts then my pointing out that what Ayla was wearing is not truly a fact should not prompt you to be defensive should it?
Hmm sounds more like you are being defensive. Obscure was just asking a question. One based on the fact that in the past certain rules seem to be ignored when it comes to the Reynolds. At least by the Reynolds supporters. Seems they should not be held to the same standards of evaluation of others. Why is that do you think?
DeleteHas anyone questioned as to wheather Bob Vear or Justin Linnell could have anything to do with Ayla missing.
ReplyDeleteI have wondered about Justin Linnell....
DeleteI have brought up Linnel.If AYLA was taken by Linnel...it was by mistake.He would have been grabbing for Gabby. He had threatened to take Gabby many times and he threatened to burn down the house with Li, Gabby and anyone else who was there. This is why Lance kicked the shit outta him...for threatening to kill those in the house.So there is TWO HEATED custody battles going on.Linnel hadnt seen Gabby in months...he wouldnt have known at that point what she looked like...AYLA was in Gabby's room...then turned AYLA and Gabby's room.
Delete...If Linnel took AYLA...she would be evidence he would not want to be caught with...I dislike that scenario as much as the thought of a stranger abduction.
DeleteLOL keep reaching for straws there Selena. . LOL "he wouldn't have known at that point what she looked like" LOL
Delete@Anonymous 8:41
DeleteA child is missing. Nothing LOL about it. Even if she is hidden away which is the Aunts most fervent wish that is extremely sad. This aunt is doing nothing but hope her niece is safe and alive and you think it is funny? I would ask what is wrong with you but sadly I don't think you have the capacity to understand.
I can't help but think about the silence involved in this case. I have read other reports regarding MSP and this is the only case where they have revealed next to nothing - I wonder if this is more to do with not being sure themselves as to who took Ayla or whether their skills as officer's don't pass the "smell" test.
ReplyDeleteI know its possible that they didn't follow protocol and contaminated the scene and don't want to look the fools in such a complicated case, but I'm now starting to believe that regardless of them thinking that Justin is guilty, that maybe they are looking outside the box. My theory is this - LE did the usual interrogation technique "We know you killed her Justin, we have evidence" and proceeded to show him so-called blood evidence. In any case, you know what you know what you know, in other words you know the truth and no matter what someone tries to tell you, they can't change the truth - its solid.
Not too long after Justin is confronted with this "evidence", we hear about a cupful of blood being found. I think this was another LE technique used to gauge a response from Trista, no different from trying to gauge Justin's response. In Trista's case however, she leaked the information to the public. The only thing that we ever hear regarding the blood from LE is that "blood was found in the home" and "more than a small cut would produce". NO cupful. IMO this is the only reason why LE thinks Justin is guilty.
I'm curious to hear what other people feel about the silence surrounding Ayla's case. I can only imagine there being limited reasoning for it.
My thoughts pretty much coincide with your's right down the line.
DeleteMy thoughts about their silence is they just don't have anything new, not since Jan.
@S. - Maybe Justin should've followed his gut from day one and kicked in doors - sadly he thought he was doing the right thing for his baby by going through legal channels. I'm curious to know what his hindsight is, although it wouldn't help where things are at now.
DeleteLuci-I absolutely believe the release of blood evidence was a tactic. This information was made available to both Trista and Justin, right before they would be meeting in public-at an event where many of the players in this case would be present. Oh yes, it was a tactic, and you can bet that LE had their eyes on everyone. Did LE get the reactions they expected? Not even close, and now they are as baffled as the rest of us.
DeleteYou are very right. LE was watching. They told Trista the amount and then were watching Justin for a reaction. One they did not get. Why? Because Justin knows no harm came to his daughter. What I find interesting is both parents reactions and think LE should also. Although Trista says she "believes her daughter is no longer alive" she does not act very distraught. To me she acts like a mother who is safe in the knowledge that her daughter is alive.
DeleteShe doesn't seem distraught. . . . I swear you are all heartless and blind. . . .
DeleteReally? Because at best I see a mom who can force out a few tears. Who then has been seen out in public partying and drunk. Has lost the support of family and friends. Who does not want to get her childs name out there. And barely can show up for events. Who does nothing in fact to promote awareness for her child behind the scenes. Unless it is in front of a camera she is not doing a thing. And when in front of a camera all she does is promote the fact that she would rather her child NOT be looked for because she believes she is dead. So really give me a break. Most parents would be shouting to the roof tops if they got the tv time that she got for people to not give up hope. That they would never lose hope. But not Trista. Not even when the blood evidence was released did she melt down. She stood at that vigil with Justin and hugged him and talked to him calmly. Anyone wonder why? Maybe she knew her child was okay. Maybe she knew the information she was given was to get a reaction out of Justin to see how he would react. Maybe LE has no more use for her now and that is why Trista is so angry with them. Just some thoughts to ponder.
DeleteSo you saying Justin has been doing more than Trista for his "lost" daughter. . .. I think not. . . No thoughts to ponder here, I have pondered all I am going to because I keep coming back to the same thing. . . something doesn't sit right with me about what took place in the evening of and the evening before Ayla went missing and the person who has the answers is JUSTIN. Makes perfect sense to me.
DeleteYes Justin has absolutely been doing more for his missing daughter. Feel free to ponder no more. And of course something does not sit right about what took place that evening. A child was taken out of her home. There is something very not right about that.
Delete@anon 07:45
DeletePlease explain, what doesn't sit well with you about the evening before Ayla disappeared?
signed:getrealpeople
..nice language
DeleteI'll tell you nothing about this case points anywhere but at the Dip shits not coming clean with what happened to beautiful AYLA! I agree Anonymous 8:34. . . .he was just a sperm donor and nothing more. . . he never deserved one moment with AYLA, she deserved so much better than what she got. . . Justin and clan's day is coming, hopefully soon for Trista's sake. . . .
DeleteAnon. 8:34,
DeleteI hope that helped with your anger and frustration.
I don't know Justin, but I am positive that there is nothing you or anyone else can say that will hurt him, more than he is already hurting.
Wow... why so angry? And really, if you're just going to type expletives & replace one letter with a symbol, you might as well just type the letter. How old are you anyway?
DeletePlease show me where Justin has sat back & blamed anyone else? It seems to me like that's what Trista does. Do you go on your nasty little rants to her, too? I mean, it's only fair, right? She's actually doing what you're so all-fired angry about.
What? That doesn't make you angry? Huh. Imagine that. And who are you anyway? Do you even know anyone involved at all? Yeah, I didn't think so.
And really... you're a hero. You know just what happened because *obviously* you were there, and you know exactly who Justin is, and what he does in his spare time. Now THAT is laughable! GROW UP.
Unfortunately the people who WERE there and should be able to shed some light on what happened to poor Ayla are not talking, not talking to police, not talking to the public, not talking to the poor mom who is missing her baby girl. . . . MAYBE they should put this all to rest now and start talking, they are the only ones that can. . .
DeleteSo when you say Justin isn't pointing fingers . . .my response is JUSTIN ISN'T DOING ANYTHING!!!!!
POGAMEN IS BOB
DeleteAs we've seen, Michelle, most of the foul-mouthed DiPietro haters have plenty of problems of their own.
DeleteYou guys are BLIND AS HELL!!! The Anonymous 8:34 is in response to Anon 15:40.... Directly!!!
DeleteAnon 8:47, and your point is? Just because anon 8:34 was replying to anon 15:40, that doesn't change my or space's reply to how incredibly angry 8:34 was. But thanks for taking the time to offer your view so reasonably & with such kindness.
Delete@LucifersHand - "LE did the usual interrogation technique" AND "another LE technique used to gauge a response from Trista".
ReplyDeleteI think you nailed it right there. That was my impression, too. I was wondering what LE learned, if anything, from Trista's bipolar response/reaction.
posted by pogamen 8/12/2012
@pogamen- I think LE feel conflicted about Trista. I believe that if there had been no blood found LE would've looked a bit harder at the abduction theory and the investigation would be in a very different place right now.
DeleteAgreed Luci
DeleteI disagree BOB
DeleteHow so Bob??
Delete@ anon 12.41
DeleteProvide something worthy of discussion. As you are psychic and know that pogamen is Bob, then perhaps you can solve the case.
You clearly have a difference of opinion which is welcome here, but cynical retorts aren't going to offer anything vaguely interesting other than showing that some that are small-minded who visit this site and leave comments really shouldn't.
Well Selena and Bob and Luci because there WAS blood found. . . .
DeletePogamen is Bob!!!!!!!
DeleteAnonymous 06:59 - You are right about blood being found. Blood can be found in any family household around the world - even an infant will leave trace amounts from a fresh diaper rash. The difference is where it's found, what pattern is found, how many areas, and how much is found. If there were multiple donors, then how was it layered? You don't find it bothersome that they found Trista's blood? I think it's strange that bedsheets are mentioned. Didn't someone already say that Justin's bed had just been moved into the house? Where did the sheets come from? Did he leave the original sheets on the bed? I do try not dig up areas that belong to National Inquirer, but it is relevant to the blood evidence if the bed is involved. I have 101 more questions about the blood evidence, and I have 1001 questions about the slobber evidence. It's so late that it's too late for some things to see the light of day.
Deleteposted by pogamen 8/15/2012
I think that there has to be a reason that LE is concerned with the blood found. . . come on, it had to be enough for them to feel a concern. . . this case is going in the direction that it should be going in, it is just taking time to prove which one of the three or all three are the guilty parties. . . once Ayla is found, and she WILL be found, the truth will come out and someone in that household is going down. . . either for the crime itself or concealing evidence. . JMO but the Opinion of many others out there. If Ayla were abducted someone would have seen her by now Selena so keep trying.
ReplyDeleteanon 13:24 included in the blood found in the house is the bloody sex sheet, and undoubtedly the mattress it was over at the time. When a baby is missing, that probably looks like a concerning amount of blood. Possibly when Justin was asked about it he was evasive, knowing it was from when he had sex with Trista while he was seeing Courtney. LE's response to potentially quirky behavior when asked about the blood could have had them thinking it confirmed their suspicions. Only months later (sometime in March?) it's confirmed the blood on the sheet and on the mattress was actually Trista's. This is just guesswork on my part - as is what you stated. I've talked to a few people that believe the longer Ayla's not found, the more likely she is alive.
Deleteanon. 13;24,
Delete"If Ayla were abducted someone would have seen her by now Selena so keep trying".
I don't think that is a reasonable assumption at all.
Really?, Trista has lied about so much, I am not sure I believe her story about how her blood came to be in Justin's bedroom.
DeleteAlso, if Trista filed for custody on Thursday, the same day as Justin was in Portland, who's to say she didn't go to Waterville Friday night so she could hitch a ride with Ray's dad to go see him? That's a four hour drive, plus the hour and half to pick up Trista. A lot of driving for one morning.
Makes more sense for her to stay over and ride in the a.m. than it does for Robert F. to drive all the way to Portland to pick Trista up only to double back and head to Machiasport, don't you all think? Jessica could have stayed at the motel alone to be Trista's alibi.
anon 22:23 - agreed, if Robert picked up Trista that morning that added 3 hours roundtrip for him to see his son - and then it would add another 3 hours after the visit. So 6 hours round trip driving time for him becomes 12 hours if Trista is included. That's a lot of driving. It would make more sense if he picked her up the day before. It's always seemed bizarre to me that Trista, who supposedly never goes anywhere, was in the area around the time Ayla went missing. Also odd? That she has spoken about how long it had been since she'd seen Ayla, since she'd talked to her on the phone, she filed for parental rights the day before and knew that Justin was going to file. She missed Ayla and was concerned about her, yet she would take that long trip to see Ray and not want to stop in Waterville to try to at least see her baby girl?
DeleteAlso, your thought that Jessica could have stayed at the motel alone to be Trista's alibi is plausible.
LE said the discovery of Ayla's blood was "troubling" but made no reference to the amount, only that it was "more than a small cut would produce." I don't buy the "more than a cupful" statement because I do not trust the source.
DeleteIf Ayla lost a lethal amount of blood, or enough to warrant immediate medical attention that was withheld, then LE would have known as early as January 28 that Ayla was likely dead. Why wait until June 1 to make the announcement and keep community hope alive for more than four months?
LE never cited the blood as a factor in determining that Ayla was likely dead.
Abducted children can and have been hidden for years sadly. History proves that. There is nothing to prove a murder occurred. No evidence at all. Not even the supposed blood evidence would be even close to anything that could harm a child. So Anonymous you keep trying. Sadly what you are trying to prove though is that a child is dead. And you seem so proud of that. Selena my wishes go to you.
ReplyDeleteI will keep trying.
ReplyDeleteI will get closer...
and closer as time goes by.
I will not give up.
We will be right behind you Selena. We will never give up.
DeleteWe'll never give up Selena!!! :)
Deletesigned:getrealpeople
Thank you.
ReplyDeleteObscure, "The discussion about certain items (Jessica supposedly buying the pajamas, Jessica supposedly sending the backpack with Ayla, Trista supposedly asking about a blanket very early in the investigation) makes the discovery of ANY item seem hinky." I agree, but I believe the bag and blanket came up after LE found the items (which we still don't know anything about). That is even more hinky, yes?
ReplyDeletesigned:getrealpeople
I agree and its things like this that are making me question the maternal family. Also the fact that they are now kicking McKee off the other blog. I guess some of the questions she is asking are hitting too close to home and now they are saying its "abuse" to the maternal family. The maternal family isnt looking so "clean" in my eyes anymore. Its becoming a cult over there....they are all ganging up on anyone who doesn't stick with their story.
DeleteIf Ronnie (Jr) has a daughter, why has he never mentioned her. He has spoken out, a couple of times, and never mentioned his daughter. I wonder what the story is with that? Is he not allowed to see her?
ReplyDeletesigned:getrealpeople
I didnt even know he had a daughter.....
DeleteHey guys, I apologize for take the conversation off course, but I need some help with finding new posts in this blog. How do I know when new replies are made to posts at the top of the discussion? I usually just log in and look at the last posts, but apparently people are posting replies to earlier posts and I am missing them. I'm not a techy nor familiar with blogs.
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