*sigh*
Justice for Ayla has a write up about Ayla's broken arm. It is a good read, and goes into a lot of detail about fractures and the whole situation.
I'll address only a few points, because I think this issue has been debated extensively, and no one has any of the real answers necessary to decide if the incident was abuse or an accident.
1. The doctor who initially suspected abuse also thought that the fracture was more serious than it was. This is evidenced by the fact that the doctor said surgery would be necessary. Well, we all know that in the end, Ayla did not have surgery, and was put into a splint or soft cast (I think people are using the terms interchangeably).
2. 24 hours is hardly a delay in medical care that can be used to prove abuse. Usually when you see delayed medical care in a child abuse case, so much time has lapsed that either the child's injury has healed completely or to a degree or older injuries are found. For example, a child goes in for a terrible cough. The doctor orders x-rays and finds that the child has broken ribs that are almost completely healed, but the child was never seen for the broken ribs. That's a delay, at least in my mind.
3. Justin's reasoning for not going to the hospital the very night it happened is very understandable. Since it's common knowledge that kids' bones do not break as easily as adults' bones, Justin and/or Phoebe may have thought it was less serious than it was. Parents do not always know when a child needs to be seen. Nurses hotlines have been created; parents describe symptoms and a nurse either advises them what to do or instructs them to get emergency care. On the opposite end of that, have you ever seen a child in the emergency room who looked to be just fine? That's because chances are, the child is not being seen for something that is truly an emergency, and his or her parent should have just waited to schedule an appointment with a primary care physician.
4. Forearm fractures are commonly caused by children falling on their own outstretch arms. The pressure that breaks the arm is applied ONLY by the child. Imagine if someone else fell on top of a child. That would be even more pressure, and more chance of an injury. My point is that Justin's story is not at all suspicious if that's what you have to go on.
5. Lastly, and most importantly, the police have unequivocally said that this was an accidental fall, and even gave the public insight as to how the decision to classify it that way was made (extensive interviews). The police have said the 3 in that house have not told all that they know. Most of us believe that, without a second thought. We don't say, "hey how did police make that determination?" It is not questioned, because it is what people want to hear. Law enforcement could tell us exactly how they know the 3 are not being honest (e.g. failed polygraphs, inconsistent statements, cell phone pings, etc). They have not offered that information, and most people don't ask for it.
You cannot pick and choose what statements you believe, or else, you too are guilty of being biased or one-sided.
I found this post enlightening... well-said. I'd have to agree with that logic. Also, I read that he took her to a bone specialist in Portland and invited Trista to go along, which she did - if it was broken due to abuse those 2 things likely would not have happened. Of course, that does not mean he isn't responsible for her disappearance in some way - certainly the police have suggested he, or someone else in the house, is.
ReplyDeleteOkay Seeking, I've officially left the fact you are trying to be cool. First off... Just because Justin says it was "only" 24 hours of waiting, does not make it fact. There are many theories he waited much longer.
ReplyDeleteSecondly, regardless of the type of break, it hurts. The pain is aggressive and not compared to say... a hangnail. A break requires a Dr. to give pain meds in order to sleep. It is impossible (let me state that again... IMPOSSIBLE) to be a parent and not realize immediately your child has a severe problem and bring them to a doctor or ER. Calling it a "soft cast" does not lessen the pain. Her ARM WAS BROKEN. BREAKS HURT.
Lastly, I am sick to death of people saying that LE called the break not suspicious. Suspicious of what exactly?????? The point is that Justin DUNDER HEAD didn't take Ayla for immeidate medical assistance. How could he sleep that night, when AYLA SURELY COULDN"T SLEEP IN THAT AMOUNT of pain??????
Maybe this sight is for the defense lol. Cool, because it shows the level of stupidity we expect of a defense team with such guilty customers. The DA has already shot down any stupid theories you can conclude with such simpleton info.
AMEN!
DeleteI would like to say that my son also broke his arm on the playground when he was 28 months old. He was knocked over by the swing his older brother was playing on, reached out to break his fall, ended up breaking his wrist arminstead. I have to say, he cried louder when I took him to the ER because he couldn't play on the playground until we got back. I point this out becuse my son didn't show fussyness or pain when it happened. I took him in when he grabbed the arm maybe 10 - 15 minutes later. With that said though, 1) hopefully Ayla was not in alot of pain as my son wasn't when he broke his arm, and 2) Justin still should have taken Ayla in immediately regardless. He fell on top of his daughter and Phoebe was worried about his wrist. Mind-boggling!!!!
DeleteJohn, great point. You were a dad concerned when you son cried. You took him ASAP for someone to check him out. Even though you felt your son might be okay, you didn't risk a chance! You took him to ER. Although your son at that time was 28 months, you say he didn't show fussiness, but as a great dad, you obviously saw SOMETHING that you weren't willing to delay for 24 (or even more) hours to seek medical help. You NOTICED he grabbed his arm more than ten times. You recognized that his excessive arm holding was scary. In Justin's scenario, he fell on Ayla and according to J and Pheebs, Ayla looked "scared" but she did not cry. Apparently, the adults felt at that time that Ayla was fine and Pheebs started worrying about J's arm because it had been broken before. Since Justin and Pheebs were Well Aware of the pain in a broken arm, how did they not notice Ayla's paiun? Is their theory that J slipped in the rain, up the stairs and fell on Ayla and that Ayla's only emotion was looking scared? That J and his mom worried about J's previous broken bones? What are they NOT SAYING ABOUT AYLA/ They are not saying she was so content they put her in a rooom alone to sleep. They do not say she was so happy she was doing kart wheels. They say one thing. She did not look scared. WOW. Super evaluation. Did that same evaluation tell you if she was tired, hungry, thirsty, sad, happy, scared, happy, questioning, angry, wondering? These are only youth group church questions. DID YOU FEEL???????????????????????????????? Yes, you did, but WHAT did you feel?
DeleteJust because Trista said it happened on November 5, doesn't make it fact.
DeleteDo you ever stop for a second to apply your own logic to the things you post? It would behoove you to try it.
I never heard Trista said that. But I would believe her if she said that because Ayla didn't break her arm during Trista's shift, Ayla wasn't taken for immediate medical assistance and that was on Justin's shift. Trista didn't "fall" on Ayla, Ayla didn't get bruises in a fake ball pit with Trista, Ayla didn't get the limp on Trista's shift, Trista didn't buy a 25 life insurance policy on Ayla only to have her go missing shortly thereafter. No, that was Justin. Justin, the one too afraid to speak because people are mean to him (wahhhhh), Justin hiding and not talking up Ayla because it won't help. LMAO. He is pathetic. A liar. A murderer. A scared wuss in hiding. Ever think of all that Seeking?
DeleteWhere can we find this new information about Justin and Trista taking Ayla together to see a bone specialist? The only thing I have seen in regards to the specialist was that the appointment was missed or cancelled by Justin. I am not sure which?
ReplyDeleteIt's on the timeline that Trista released.
DeleteObviously. Where else would it be? I wonder when Justin is going to "release" something? It might be nice for a change. He might as well release a confession now though.
DeleteI want add that this post is encouraging healthy debate, and as I have said before it is all about perception.
ReplyDeleteJSTL had my back today when peps were trying to defame me here, I appreciate it immensely and owe them one. :)
People not peps, hate typing on this thing...
Delete;) It's no problem, I wouldn't want to be "outed" like that for no good reason.
DeleteJohn, this link provides the information you are asking about.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.thefocusonfacts.com/2012/01/aylas-mother-releases-time-line/
p.s. I am so sick of these discussions about the arm and the bruises.
Thank you Voice. Unfortunately it is people like me who are still trying to decipher all the different discussions that are causing you to go through these discussions.
DeleteReally? Sick of it?
DeleteI'm sure AYLA WAS SICK OF THE PAIN!!!
"VOICE OF REASON"? Really?
Why the eff are you following ANY of this case if you are "sick" of discussing AYLA???
Why is that people can take the most innocent words and twist them as to make it appear as though they are an insult to AYLA?
DeleteAnyone who voices an opinion that is different from yours is somehow offending Ayla as well? Get out of here with that bull crap, it's annoying.
Voice,
DeleteWhen I looked at the timeline, I saw where Trista says the ER visit was the 5th of Nov. I read a weather related article saying the fall had to have happened between the 17th -24th of Oct according to Justin's recollection. I am now more confused with the timeline of events surrounding the broken arm. Can you help me out again?
Good for you anon 7:25, for finding this post enlightening, well-said, and orgasmic. However, He DID NOT SHOW for the next appointment. Sounds like Zip-Lipped-J-DIP thought he was a better Drx. It also sounds like Zip-Lipped-P-DIP liked to play Drx with her son. However, they FAILed that test when these inbreds played GOD! Also a good point to add is this: How well are YOU (justin) at relieving stress? Toddlers CANNOT tell you how much pain they are feeling. Toddlers cannot exaplain to you what is bothering them. When her little scream pierced your oxy-stoned brain, and you couldn't handle it, did you see her blues eyes??? did you put yourself in HER shoes?? did you try to understand HER pain? I dont think you did kid. YOU THOUGHT ABOUT YOURSELF.
ReplyDeleteI see all of these pics of this beautiful little local and anger sets in. IT looks like this little precious angel has drool and is in her teething stage. You see, there is a REAL Dr.x that has said this "If an adult felt the same intense sense of pain as a teething toddler, the adult would not be able to withstand the same amount of pain as the toddler and would do a lot of harm to themselves. possibly even commit suicide without pain medicine."
The only thin a toddler can do is Scream. Some children scream worse than others. Statistically, girls will scream and annoy you more than boys. EVERYONE and EVERY CHILD IS DIFFERENT. Just because your son might have not screeched like she might have, doesn't mean there was nothing wrong. It's up to an adult to be just that, AN ADULT. RISE ABOVE. Looks like she was nothing but a prisoner in her own home. Soon, YOU and your Zip-Lipped-Ring-DIPs, Will be a prisoner in Warren. Don't worry, they like ppl like you! There is more ppl than you think watching... AT ALL HOURS OF YOUR HIGH LIFE. It's dark all around you. Wait, ARE THOSE HEADLIGHTS?
Real funny....my brother cried and whinged more over a papercut than my 3 daughters did over their teeth coming through. Ok, I get it, you think you're a better dr than JD but guess what? Your theory on pain is about as stupid as your opinion. Where on earth did you get your statistics on screaming children? Funny! When my daughter was in hospital the theater nurse said it was the other way round - that boys make more fuss than girls but even then I wouldn't consider a theater nurse an authority on the subject but definitely far more informed than either you or I.
DeleteOh, and be AN ADULT and RISE ABOVE your own sense of judgement and self-importance. I think you missed the part where LE have NOT shared most of what they know. I also think you missed the part where God says not to judge. You talk about putting yourself in Ayla's shoes? I don't think you can either. What is normal is to want justice. What is abnormal is people insulting other's based on uninformed opinions.
hey funny man, i wasnt tryin to be funny...
Deletehttp://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090519104620AAB6lWR
These type of answers are usually about opinion/
http://www.theparentvortex.com/wordpress/toddlers-and-teething/
notice sir, the part about 'What can parents do to help a teething toddler?'
THIS FAMILY is different: Dipietro's
DeleteWell, thanks for stating the obvious!
DeleteTo anon @ 8.52.
DeleteYou weren't trying to be funny...ha...yet you get you your scientific fact from yahoo.answers. Are you kidding me? Do you really think that anyone will take that as evidence? Wow, you are awesome. I would have thought from reading the answers that you would have figured that it depends on the parents and the children as Seeking Truth says. The same question is answered several times on yahoo.answers with different responses every time.
However, if you wanted to be scientific about it you could have added a proper scientific link that backs up your opinion, oh wait, I'll do it for you:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3450630
After that you can factor in things such as whether your child was premature, has adhd, autism or just about any other psychological or health issue. Do your research instead of relying on question/answer basis - it shows up your level of education.
It would be VERY clear that Ayla was in alot of pain with that type of injury and it should have been looked at right away regardless. I think they were negligent in not doing so. A slightly older child would have an easier time holing their arm in such a way as to not cause further pain where a child Aylas age would not. Trying to use it or bumping into things would have caused more pain thus making it more evident that she needed to be checked out by a doctor. Even if they thought it was a sprain she would still need to be seen to have it wrapped. .The next day when dressing her into daytime cloths would have made it even more noticably that something was wrong.. I do not know if it is fact that she was taken in finally later that day.
ReplyDeleteCould Ayla have been in pain and had swelling and bruising even if her arm was NOT broken? YES.
DeleteShould Justin and Phoebe have tried to determine on their own the seriousness of the injury? NO.
Does the fact that Phoebe and Justin did try to determine the seriousness of the injury on their own indicate child abuse or neglect? NO.
Also, read this: In most cases, a broken forearm causes severe pain. Your child's forearm and hand may also feel NUMB. http://orthoinfo.aaos.org/topic.cfm?topic=a00039
We cannot say she was "writhing in pain" or in "severe pain", because there are so many possibilities.
why take the chance
DeleteIt is a chance they took, why I have no idea.
DeleteIt wasn't that big of a gamble though, because Ayla got the arm taken care of 24 hours later.
not a big gamble when life insurance and the fate of an innocent little girl was already determined.
DeleteI am confused with the 24 hour delay. Voice and ST both pointed me to Tristas Timeline in response to a previous question on this thread. The timeline says that Justin and Phoebe took Ayla to the ER on the 5th of Nov. The weather related article I read said it had to have happened between the 17th - 24th of Oct which were days it rained in Waterville. That is a minimum of 2 weeks and possibly up to 3 weeks delay. What am I missing?
DeleteThe 3 week delay makes no sense, because x-rays would be able to tell whether or not the break was fresh.
DeleteFrom everything I have read, this type of fracture would heal somewhere between 6-10 weeks.
Justin says he doesn't know the exact date. Trista gave an exact date, and that's all we have to go on at this point.
I guess I misunderstood the article about the weather. I can't find the article now but I thought it said the only days it rained in Waterville were three or four days between the 17th and 24th.
DeleteI will keep looking for the article.
I was curious how a baby would react to having a broken bone. Years ago my bf's grandson who was a little over a year old had a fractured shoulder bone from a fall, and one really couldn't tell that anything was wrong other than he did seem to favor it slightly after a day or so.
ReplyDeleteThis is the first page that came up on my search.
from: http://www.babycenter.com/0_broken-bones_408.bc?page=1
How can I tell if my baby has broken a bone?
Making this determination on your own can be difficult, but chances are the bone's not broken, just sprained. Babies' bones are so pliable they rarely break. If your baby's injury only swells a little bit and he doesn't seem to be in much pain, it's all right to treat the injury with ice (see below) and wait a day or two before calling the doctor. If the swelling goes down and things seem to be on the mend, it was probably a sprain. But if the injury doesn't improve or gets worse, it's time to take your baby to the doctor for an exam. Of course, if you're really worried, or you don't know the extent of the injury, you should err on the side of caution and see the doctor.
Here are some other warning signs of a broken bone:
A snapping sound
Bruising
Tenderness to touch
Severe pain, especially in one spot
Increased pain with any movement (don't assume that if your baby can move his limb or digit it's not broken — that's an old wives' tale)
Stiffness
Limping or the inability to stand or walk (for a child who can walk)
Refusing to stand or walk
A limb that seems bent or out of position
Thank you for posting this OBJECTIVE information! A reputable site like BABYCENTER basically says it's okay to wait a day or two?! Well, shut the front door!
Deletewhy take a chance?
DeleteWhy spam the comments asking the same question repeatedly? Neither make much sense, huh?
Deletewhy try to convince yourself that any other alternative is possible in this situation?
DeleteWhy ignore the alternative given by police officers?
DeleteIm not ignoring the fact the DIPs are with-holding VITAL information about this little girl. Put yourself in Ayla's shoes.... was it fair? or was it what she had coming to her?
DeleteThe latter is a very twisted question.
Deleteyou and your others are also very twisted and questionable.
DeleteIt seems unlikely that a house full of adults, who may be selfish and/or negligent, would put up with a baby fussing and crying in pain all night long.
ReplyDeleteAnd, if that house full of adults is also abusive as some have alleged, Ayla would have shown up to the emergency room with more than just a broken arm.
Deleteinstead it was worse, she never showed up and was never seen again! pft... you do not have kids SEEKINGTRUTH, that is obvious
DeleteOh, she never showed up to the emergency room now? Whatever you're smoking, I want some.
DeleteI actually do have children.
i never said the emergency room, It was the most important visit: The follow-up.
DeleteBOTH TRISTA AND JUSTIN ATTENDED THE FIRST FOLLOW UP VISIT ON 11/21/11.
DeleteDid you miss that?
No, I didnt miss a thing. AYLA missed the last and most important visit.
DeleteOkay.
Deleteyou got that...GOOD!
DeleteThe ER doctor sent Ayla to a Specialist because he is not qualified in making the decision about the break. It's common practice, an ER doctor is experienced in treating trauma. If you present yourself with a broken bone, you will be referred to an Orthopaedic doctor. The doctor will do that because he/she is not specialized in that field, and also because of insurance reasons. With a child, especially, the fracture could involve the growth plate. Children's bones are continuously growing. There is nothing sinister about the break, because the ER doctor referred them to an orthopaedic doctor. Also, the referring appointment would not be 3 weeks later. If the date Trista says the break occurred was the 4th of Nov., there is know way the first follow-up appointment with a specialist was on the 21st.
Deletecorrection: there is "no" way the first follow-up appointment with a specialist was on the 21st.
DeleteAnon 12:53, I agree. I strongly suspect that we have been unintentionally given the wrong dates.
DeleteSeeking, why are you contradicting yourself? You believe LE in regards to Ayla's arm, but not that kidnapping was ruled out.
ReplyDeleteIn your previous thread you replied to Derek, stating (paraphrasing here) you can't imagine how Jutin must feel/felt, you have empathy for him etc.
Then you proceeded to tell him to "stay strong".
NOW, you're upset that Ayla's arm has been brought up "AGAIN". Sorry Ayla's arm is such a burden to you. I'm pretty sure it was MUCH more a burden to her. MUCH more painful than you could imagine. How about you take a poll of people who have had a broken bone and ask if it was painful.
If you are so bored and sick of discussing Ayla, what the heck are you doing? What exactly is this blog for? What GAME are you TRYING to play?
~Peace and justice for AYLA, AND TRISTA~
I believe what law enforcement has stated as FACT. Law enforcement has "grave doubts" that an abduction ever occurred. They have said no evidence was found that supports an abduction.
DeleteAbsence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
I'm not sick of discussing anything, so don't pull words randomly out of your ass and attribute them to me.
So the *sigh* was code for I'm sick of, and bored with, discussing this case?
DeleteNo. So reach back up there and grab something more logical.
I didn't say sick of discussing the CASE, so you reach back up...
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DeleteThat should say
DeleteYou're correct, so again explain how a *sigh* translates to "I'm sick of, and bored with, discussing her broken arm."
I already explained it CLEARLY once. Go back and read again.
DeleteBTW, whatever I *could* pull out would be more worth my time over you, and would probably care more about Ayla than you ever could begin to imagine.
Yup, remove your comments that prove your IQ.
DeleteSeeking TRUTH Mar 4, 2012 07:19 PM
ReplyDeleteDerek, I cannot begin to imagine what Justin feels, but I did temporarily "lose" one of my kids. I laid my child down for a nap and went to do things around the house. When it was time to wake the kid up, I went into the room and the kid was not there. Panic set in immediately. It took me about 5 minutes to find the kid, and the kid was in the place I never would have thought to look. In MY bed. I know all kinds of things went through my mind in those 5 minutes. I just imagine Justin having an extended period of feeling what I only felt for a very short time. I can empathize with him, definitely. Stay strong.
I'm not sure of the point, but yes those are my exact words *shocker!*
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DeleteWhat time are you planning on deleting tonight, Cinderella?
ReplyDeleteMidnight. Duh
DeleteIsn't that past your bedtime? Only last week you had a busy work week?
DeleteNo, I'll have a busy week but I am taking tomorrow off. I have a friend visiting from Illinois, and will be out shopping and catching up! :)
DeleteI don't have a bed time either, I need one though!
Giving that a full grown adult fell on top of a 20 month old child and add to that the weight of a bag of groceries , swollen and bruised arm, fussy (not sure how fussy) and must have been in pain (tho many seem to be down playing that she was) I think she should have been see that evening. Remember this is a full grown man..what at least 150 to 180 pounds? It is not uncommon for a soft cast to be put on while waiting for swelling to go down or if further treatment needs to be decided.
DeleteReally I wanted to comment is because it makes me sick that that there even is a discussing dowplaying her pain. Ayla WAS in pain!! Her arm was broken!
Now what do we do..argue about how much SWELLING there was?
Those are some good points BUT:
ReplyDelete1. I have worked with many doctors and not one that I know would tell a person they suspected of abuse, "You know I suspect you of abuse so I'm going to send you to a specialist who knows more about this than I do so we can make sure." They are going to tell them that they would rather send them to a specialist and the surest way to make sure a person goes to the specialist is to say that the injury is more serious than it appears. Maybe the ER doctor did think it was worse than it seemed but on the other hand, it could be he wanted a specialist to look at it to make the determining factor.
2. You're right, 24 hours is not, in of itself, suspect for abuse. That was probably the first red flag for the ER doctor and after the doctor learned it happened the night before he/she probably played 20 questions and if everything else seemed to check out and that doctor still felt suspicious then they may have thought it would be a good idea to send to a specialist to get a second opinion.
3. I am not a parent that rushes my kid to the doctor for every little bump or bruise but in this instance, I would not have waited till the next afternoon. 24 hours isn't suspicious but not seeing bruising or swelling on a broken arm until the next morning is. He said she was changed into pajamas after the slipping and falling and after dinner and that would have been more than enough time for bruising and swelling to begin. Touching her arm to put it into pajamas would also hurt. So if I know my husband has fallen on our child, I saw even slight bruising, and she was fussy "here and there" (as Justin stated), I would have taken my child to the ER that night or in the morning when the bruising looked worse rather than wait till the next afternoon.
4. Fractures do happen with kids just falling on their arms so without knowing if Justiin fell with his full weight on her arm, it can't be said it should be worse than it was. So my point is, if he fell with his full weight on that arm then the fracture should have been worse.
5. I DID state that the police ruled it accidental based on extensive interviews but that could just mean there wasn't substantial evidence to prove abuse, it doesn't mean they stil don't suspect he was abusive. Someone may come along and say Justin was abusive, the breaking of her arm did not happen as he said, and proving there was physical abuse becomes critical for proving what happened to Ayla.
It could have happened exaclty as Justin said or it could have happened a totally different way.
I just want to ask one thing regarding your statement in Point 1. Was a call/report made to CPS by the ER doctor that saw Ayla? In cases where there is even suspicion of abuse, doctors (and others in the medical/social services fields)are MANDATED reporters...By law, they are required to report such suspicions to authorities for investigation. I have first hand knowledge of this because I work in social services....just in case anyone may think I'm pulling this out of my azz
DeleteDiscussing this case is like debating pro life/pro choice. Nobody's mind will be changed. Yes, I'm sick of the broken arms discussions. What new ideas does it generate? None. Just the same old same old.
ReplyDeleteHow Ayla broke her arm, when Ayla broke her arm, when Alya saw the ER doc and why the delay, why the last specialist appointment was canceled, etc---- What does this have to do with Ayla missing and who caused it?
Would it satisfy the most of you for the few of us to agree and say "Justin caused the broken arm by losing his temper, and Justin was too selfish to take her to the ER right away, and Justin and Pheobe really didn't care about how much pain Ayla was in (she was screaming, right), and they also didn't care if the bone healed right so they canceled the last doctor appointment. Now, if we agree with all that, can we get off the topic of the arm? Does it make any difference in the case? What are we trying to prove; that Justin is a liar.
Honestly, I cannot believe that some people actually checked the weather forecast to see if it rained the night he said he had the fall. A step can be wet from dew or just moisture in the air. It can rain in one part of the town and not the other. It can sprinkle for a minute or two and not go on record as having rained.
Don't we already have enough 'bash DiPietro' blogs, websites, and facebooks. Can't we have this one for people that don't have venom coming from their fingers.
p.s. John, if you are reading, I don't know the answer to your question as I didn't focus on that aspect of the case.
Thanks Voice. A couple of other folks were able to clarify some aspects of the question I asked. I appreciate your response though.
DeleteI was told that the appointment was rescheduled with a Dr in Waterville. Of course, my information is second hand so would be qualified as hearsay, but it is what I was told.
ReplyDelete1, 2, and 3 are good points. 4 and 5 fall apart in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteOn # 4, Justin's story (and Phoebe's) is incredibly suspicious. It's hard to read it with a fresh eye, now that we've heard it so many times, but here are a few thoughts on why it is suspicious. He describes falling on Ayla with no emotion, no guilt, no concern for her. Flag. He wasn't even the one who picked her up, though he was right there on top of her, supposedly. Flag. He describes extraneous things like what they ate for dinner instead of critical things like did he check her arm/ any other vulnerable parts after the fall? Flag. His mother describes a thump, not Ayla crying. Flag. His mother says her concern was for her son, not the baby. Flag. The timing he gives cannot possibly be correct. Flag. He tries to justify something that doesn't need justification, why he was carrying her. Flag.
On #5, you are ignoring WHEN the police said that. They said it the first day Ayla was missing. They did not have the same info they have now; for example, Justin made a very suspicious public statement describing the injury after that date. The police were undoubtedly convinced the injury was accidental at the time; that doesn't mean they are convinced of it today. What is a thorough investigation depends on circumstances. Back then, police did not necessarily have a reason to think the arm break was not an accident. With the incorrect statements (or lies, as the case may be) Justin has made since then, they have reason to be suspicious and reason to dig deeper. It's not a question of picking and choosing- or prejudice- it's recognizing that circumstances have changes since the statement was made and those circumstances logically might have a significant bearing on the police view of the broken arm.
Voice of Reason, are you kidding? If there was abuse going on and the broken arm is a result, that puts the disappearance in a much more sinister light than if there wasn't. Bruised face, pulled leg muscle, broken arm, all in 50 days or less, it does give you pause. It should be investigated even if it turns out to be innocent.
ReplyDeleteJohn P- from the day Justin got Ayla to the day Trista says the ER visit happened, it only rained three times at night, all in October. Justin says it rained the night he fell on her. Justin says it was Nov. Justin says the ER visit was the last day of his truck driving class (scheduled for Oct. 27). Can all of Justin's statements be accurate? No. It's not you having the problem here. The so-called facts Justin provided are internally inconsistent.
ReplyDeleteThanks for this. I thought I was going crazy. I understand most of the timeline now.
DeleteI don't know where the hell you get your information from but the doctor said sugery would not be necessary! Get the facts correct before posting. Thanks!
ReplyDeleteI for one was not at the doctors office so I don't know that as fact on way or the other. Was there a referance to having a soft cast on is not unusual and sometimes this id done to wait for swelling to go down before putting on a hard cast OR if there is a decision to be made as to wheather or not any further treatment needs to be condiered..that statement would not be saying that this is how it was in Aylas case. I was not at that last follow up visit either to hear what the doctor had to say..Oh wait, NOBODY was
DeleteIf Ayla was sent to the bone specialist because the ER doctor suspected abuse, as some commenters have suggested, and Trista went also (as she said she did), wouldn't the doctor have made a report and both parents be questioned if it appeared to be abuse? Certainly Trista would have said if something was amiss at the appointment.
DeleteA broken arm does not always equal pain it is that simple. My son had two one when he was five and one as a teenager playing football. The first we were not sure it was even broken he was that calm. It was not until later that the bruising set in and the swelling that we realized it needed to be looked at. The second his trainers assured us it was not broken. He played several games before we determined it was.
ReplyDeleteThat is just straight up BS.
DeleteThat is definitely not BS- I actually know someone whose high school son also had a broken arm and played another game or attended another practice with it broken. At least one- but I'd have to call and ask if it was more than one practice or game. The details are foggy but I know I remembered thinking I couldn't imagine ignoring the pain. My friend said his son really wasn't complaining like it was broken, so they didn't know but then after a day (or a couple?) decided to get it checked and it was indeed broken. I've never broken a bone myself so I wouldn't know.
DeleteSome people seem to prefer to believe sinister things. I believe more in basic human nature, but recognize that sinister exists. Maybe Justin is an awkward, clumsy oaf? Maybe moreso when he's under the influence of something? While I believe it is more than likely that one or more person(s) that were in that house know something they are not telling or are responsible for Ayla's disappearance, I can not fathom a premeditated murder of a toddler that everyone in the house would cover for, and that they would confide this to extended family and friends who would also cover for them. If Elisha and Phoebe or Lance know anything and are covering, I feel the only way they would do that is if an accident occurred while the adults were under the influence of something. As for Courtney, I don't believe she'd cover for it either, unless she was involved in it.
ReplyDeleteTheir extended family and friends do not know the truth. They are just oxygen thieves who prefer to stick up for Justin. Bad things happen to good people. Sadly, many bad things happened to little Ayla. The people in the house that night and Pheebs and her lesbian lover all know the truth.
ReplyDeleteDo you feel better now that you spewed your garbage? There are plenty of complete strangers to the DiPietros who believe Justin did not hurt Ayla.
DeleteDo I feel better? Nope. I hate that J Dip is walking around right now while Ayla can't. I'm sorry if you feel my post is garbage, but I believe Ayla is worth being spoken for and about in her support. There are not "plenty of complete strangers to the Dips" . Using SA, you already defined yourself as someone who is close to Justin. Therefore anything "spewed" is by you. You can run, but you can't hide.
ReplyDeleteanon 8:22 Your interpretation of two sentences, (using SA) just gives more reason to believe SA is "junk science"! LOL
DeleteDidn't Justin say Ayla broke her arm in November? He couldn't remember the exact date! So, my question is, if someone, on Dec. 17th, told you their daughter broke their arm a few weeks ago. What date would that be? When did Ayla break her arm?
ReplyDeleteThe truth of the matter is the guy was careless towards his baby daughter especially in his care. Whether the arm break happened accidentally or maliciously it is a prelude to a more serious crime. Poor Ayla didn't stand a chance with this type of parenting from either side of the family. Neither parent showed any kind of trustworthy emotions after her disappearance and it seemed as time went on they were more concerned about how their image was portrayed in the media. Justin Dipietro was not ready to be a father and all of his actions indicated that. I would bet the farm that drugs and alcohol was involved somehow.
ReplyDeleteThe part that bothers me the most is that he can't remember when it it happened or he is trying to mislead people as to when it did. It's not like we are talking about something that happened years ago. He was asked in early December about something that happened either 8-10 weeks before. That is suspicious to me. If my baby broke her arm, I was sure as hell remember when it was. Not only that but if he's lying about this, why? It makes me think it's connected to her disappearance because I feel like he's either too careless to remember or because he's lying about it.
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