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I'm not linking to Peeter's post, but you can find it online. He whores his blog everywhere so it's bound to pop up if you google the words Statement Anal. This was written a while ago, but for some reason I left it in the drafts folder. Anyway, Peeter'slies words are in black, my "refutation" is in red.
1. Single, unemployed young male grew up with reputation as a bully along with his brother. Small, hot tempered and entitled, he learned that he was a father and fumed over child support payments. Justin is not single, nor is he unemployed. The first lie was obvious; he is clearly in a relationship with Courtney, and was when he got custody of Ayla. The part about Justin's reputation--why hasn't anyone OTHER than Peeter made that assertion?
2. He attempted to get custody to stop child support payments. He is rumored to be a low level street drug dealer, mostly in oxys and vicodin. He didn't attempt to get custody, he DID get custody. If his sole purpose was to stop child support payments, why didn't he file to do so until AFTER Ayla went missing? Also, don't forget that Justin didn't TAKE Ayla from Trista, it was per an agreement. I don't know for sure whether or not he filed to stop child support, but according to Trista, he filed AFTER her disappearance. Also note that Peeter is inserting yet another rumor into this case; at least this time he acknowledges it.
3. While having the child (Baby Ayla) at his mother's home, Ayla experiences a series of injuries and ill explained bruises. This culminates in a broken arm in which neither he nor his mother sought medical attention for at least 24 hours. This is not accurate on a number of fronts. The first thing is that Ayla experienced one injury in Justin's custody that is backed up by medical records. The bruises have never been proven, and even so, the bruising is not alleged to have happened in Phoebe's home (Ball Pit Story). The broken arm was treated well before 24 hours passed.
4. Father is unable to control his temper and cannot hold even a menial job. He also has another child by another young woman. He purchases a life insurance policy against Baby Ayla's life, although she is healthy, betting on a large sum of money to come in to him in the event that said healthy baby dies. He does not buy life insurance against the other child's life. All of this is speculation, except for the part about the other baby. Whether or not that is true, remains to be seen. For Justin to not be able to control his temper, why does he have no record of violence, harassment, protection orders, or the like? Peeter says things such as "Justin cannot even hold a menial job" despite the fact that numerous people have told him that Justin does, in fact, work.
5. While in his care, father text messages the mother expressing fear that baby will be taken by someone. Justin expressed fear that "someone" would take the baby, or did he express fear that Trista and Co. would take the baby? That's a big difference, especially considering the custody battle that seemed to be looming. Count this as another material misrepresentation of the "facts."
6. Approximately Six weeks from the purchase of the life insurance, he calls 911 to report her "missing" and "taken" by someone. Peeter has the life insurance documents in hand. *sarcasm*
7. Tough guy father says he is "emotionally incapable" of speaking to media so that he can 'negotiate' with the kidnapper to get his child back. Negotiating with a kidnapper through the media. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. It is almost evident who the supposed kidnapper is in this situation, and pleading with her through the media would be pointless. What's interesting is that Trista never pleaded with kidnappers to get Ayla back either. Initially, she didn't plea with Justin to give Ayla back. All she wanted was for Justin to talk to her, to come to her...
8. Police investigation uncovers:
a. cleaned up blood in the basement found by luminol (LIE, police have never stated this)
b. Evidence of "foul play" (half-truth)
c. Announce that Ayla is dead (LIE, police have never stated this)
d. indicate that father failed polygraph and is not cooperating. (LIE, police have never stated this)
I'm not linking to Peeter's post, but you can find it online. He whores his blog everywhere so it's bound to pop up if you google the words Statement Anal. This was written a while ago, but for some reason I left it in the drafts folder. Anyway, Peeter's
1. Single, unemployed young male grew up with reputation as a bully along with his brother. Small, hot tempered and entitled, he learned that he was a father and fumed over child support payments. Justin is not single, nor is he unemployed. The first lie was obvious; he is clearly in a relationship with Courtney, and was when he got custody of Ayla. The part about Justin's reputation--why hasn't anyone OTHER than Peeter made that assertion?
2. He attempted to get custody to stop child support payments. He is rumored to be a low level street drug dealer, mostly in oxys and vicodin. He didn't attempt to get custody, he DID get custody. If his sole purpose was to stop child support payments, why didn't he file to do so until AFTER Ayla went missing? Also, don't forget that Justin didn't TAKE Ayla from Trista, it was per an agreement. I don't know for sure whether or not he filed to stop child support, but according to Trista, he filed AFTER her disappearance. Also note that Peeter is inserting yet another rumor into this case; at least this time he acknowledges it.
3. While having the child (Baby Ayla) at his mother's home, Ayla experiences a series of injuries and ill explained bruises. This culminates in a broken arm in which neither he nor his mother sought medical attention for at least 24 hours. This is not accurate on a number of fronts. The first thing is that Ayla experienced one injury in Justin's custody that is backed up by medical records. The bruises have never been proven, and even so, the bruising is not alleged to have happened in Phoebe's home (Ball Pit Story). The broken arm was treated well before 24 hours passed.
4. Father is unable to control his temper and cannot hold even a menial job. He also has another child by another young woman. He purchases a life insurance policy against Baby Ayla's life, although she is healthy, betting on a large sum of money to come in to him in the event that said healthy baby dies. He does not buy life insurance against the other child's life. All of this is speculation, except for the part about the other baby. Whether or not that is true, remains to be seen. For Justin to not be able to control his temper, why does he have no record of violence, harassment, protection orders, or the like? Peeter says things such as "Justin cannot even hold a menial job" despite the fact that numerous people have told him that Justin does, in fact, work.
5. While in his care, father text messages the mother expressing fear that baby will be taken by someone. Justin expressed fear that "someone" would take the baby, or did he express fear that Trista and Co. would take the baby? That's a big difference, especially considering the custody battle that seemed to be looming. Count this as another material misrepresentation of the "facts."
6. Approximately Six weeks from the purchase of the life insurance, he calls 911 to report her "missing" and "taken" by someone. Peeter has the life insurance documents in hand. *sarcasm*
7. Tough guy father says he is "emotionally incapable" of speaking to media so that he can 'negotiate' with the kidnapper to get his child back. Negotiating with a kidnapper through the media. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. It is almost evident who the supposed kidnapper is in this situation, and pleading with her through the media would be pointless. What's interesting is that Trista never pleaded with kidnappers to get Ayla back either. Initially, she didn't plea with Justin to give Ayla back. All she wanted was for Justin to talk to her, to come to her...
8. Police investigation uncovers:
a. cleaned up blood in the basement found by luminol (LIE, police have never stated this)
b. Evidence of "foul play" (half-truth)
c. Announce that Ayla is dead (LIE, police have never stated this)
d. indicate that father failed polygraph and is not cooperating. (LIE, police have never stated this)
9. Father keeps up payments on Baby Ayla's life insurance so he can cash in when she is declared legally dead. This is pure speculation. If he stopped paying life insurance, people would find that to be hinky as well. You also don't know this to be a fact.
Police publicly announce that they are also, both lying, with indication that Elisha DiPietro failed her polygraph, while Courtney Roberts refused to take one. Police have CLEARLY stated that all 3 adults in the home have taken polygraphs. Peeter just refuses to acknowledge the few FACTS we do have in this case. If it doesn't fit his "Justin is a drug dealing, unemployed father who murdered his daughter for a life insurance payout of 25k" theory, then it doesn't matter.
If a child's blood is found and police publicly state that the two mothers are lying, how is this not legal jeopardy to both of the babies in the home? ASK THE VERY ORGANIZATION/AGENCY THAT YOU WORK FOR. YOU KNOW JUST AS WELL AS I DO THAT YOU CANNOT TAKE SOMEONE'S CHILD FROM THEM BASED ON A WHIM. YOU ALSO KNOW, JUST AS WELL AS I DO, THAT IF POLICE HAD ANYTHING TO INDICATE THE OTHER BABIES WERE IN DANGER THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED.
If it is that prosecutors have balked because they fear having a jury listen to the only three eye witnesses conspire and lie, how is it that Child Protective Services has not intervened on behalf of the other two children? There is obviously no reason to intervene at this point. Peeter, your prolonged temper tantrum about this issue is very unappealing.
While on probation, Lance sent this author emails hoping to meet, face to face. Tell the truth, and the whole truth, Peeter, the emails are now out there.
Lance would do well to remember that this author is not the size of Baby Ayla. You would do well to remember that the public is not going to just accept the things you come up with as fact. Your attempts to interject baseless rumors and lies into this case have failed. I get it; now you have to up the ante. You are no longer the smartest person in the room, Peeter. Even some of your staunch followers realize what's going on here. Please rewrite your post and use nothing but FACTS to back up the statements numbered 1-9. At the very least, do that. I'm sure you won't though, because you realize, just as others do, that those are YOUR opinions.
I did all of this typing, but in reality I could have kept it really short by saying this to Peeter: You, sir, are an asshole.
Thanks Obscure
ReplyDeleteMy two cents is that it only seems as though the trolls have taken over some days. But all in all we are all for the most part anyways :) grownups here who should be able to fend for ourselves. And if anyone can't do that then it is their choice to not comment here I would think.
heidi--“And, if he were to be proven guilty of something, I would still be OK with (having supported him), because it was still the right thing to do. Do I believe he is guilty? Absolutely not. But, I still would’ve been OK with what I did, because it’s still the right way to go about it.
Delete"A $30,000 reward being offered in the case will be withdrawn in 30 days . . "
DeleteThat kind of bait would have surely drawn out the rats, if there were any
The most likely case is the person with knowledge about what happened is also implicated in a crime.
My comment was in response to someone saying I would feel bad "when Justin was proven guilty" In America I believe that everyone is innocent unless proven guilty of a crime. I support my friends who have a child who is missing. They have not been convicted of a crime. They a have not been named as suspects of a crime. They are missing a child and I will continue to help them and support them and yes I am okay with that choice. I am pretty sure that here in America IT IS the right way to go about it or we would throw people in jail first and ask questions later. But then I guess that depends on who you are talking to.
DeleteI say leave it without moderation. We are adults and can tell when it is a troll commenting. If we simple do not interact with them they will go away. They come here and make their comments just to stir things up and get people away from the real subject at hand. Ignoring the ignorant comments will make things so much easier to follow. Just my two cents
ReplyDeleteAlso if everyone would pick a name and use it all the time it will make it easier to see who is commenting. Too many Anons are hard to follow. It doesn't have to be your real name just pick anything
DeleteI completely agree with you. Pick a name, completely ignore the trolls, and self moderate.
DeleteI concur with KM and Looking. I find it tedious to have to sift through the posts that are pure hatred and BS, but I'd rather have to do that, than wait for comments to be moderated (or put that burden on you, Obscure).
ReplyDeleteI think your post above is timely (even though you inadvertently sat on it for a bit). In Peter's case, he knowingly chose to spread misinformation, but it clearly happens just as often through careless reading and repeating as well (I love that the post about the new MTM policy regarding logging in via Facebook was interpreted by someone to be that Obscure is going to start to require that here). Anyway, the take-away should be the same: Facts are facts. Opinions are opinions. Rumors are rumors. Mixing and matching information that falls into the three distinct categories is dangerous business.
"Lance would do well to remember that this author is not the size of Baby Ayla." It just hit me, again, what a disgusting statement that is - insinuating that Lance physically hurt Ayla. If he had said "Justin Linnell" instead of "Baby Ayla" - it would be more understandable. I still think it *should be* beneath a man of his background to respond like that - but, certainly not the worst thing he's done.
Deletep.s. And "Amen" on the pick a name and stick with it. ;-)
ReplyDeleteI agree you shouldn't have to moderate every comment.
ReplyDeleteI know it isnt' at the request of LE, and I know most of the bloggers on this site support Justin D's efforts to continue looking for a 'living Ayla'. [not a literal statement, but for like-minded moral support] That said, I wonder why this blog does more harm to the DiPietro family than any other. It's not a drug ring, but it could be made to sound like one, right? If it's not a drug ring, then what is it? [rhetorical]
ReplyDeleteI read the comments from the previous post [yesterday] before they were removed by the administrator. It's not a secret. It's public information available for anyone that cares to look. I never did. Hide now, suffer later. I'm ticking away the number of discrepancies piling up. Until yesterday, reading the twitter feeds, I didn't think this person really existed. Igloo, you know who took her out of that house, too.
I also read McKitty and TT's good-bye comments. Please stay - I've enjoyed reading your uninformed, irresponsible, foul-fingered crap. [no Michelle translation required, it's literal].
posted by pogamen 10/21/2012
For the record, I am not the only one who asked you to stop talking in riddles. It's so unlike you to be rude, but perhaps you always hid it well. I realize that I'm one of the few here who actually has a login & uses it every time I post, therefore it's easy to group my posts as mine, and many think they know me as a result. Maybe I should go anonymous so I can be an asshole to everyone and not have my words attributed to me like so many here do. Eh whatever.
DeleteWait, I thought you left?
Pog...Oh Pog...
DeleteWeren't you already escorted to the door? I'll entertain you though, but only because you've chosen to stay on my side of reality for the moment.
The comments were removed by ME, because they linked to a whole bunch of different people's twitter accounts for no reason. If you care to look up everybody and their grandmother, fine, but don't post it here. I would have also deleted it if it listed a bunch of people who are (tangentially?) related to Trista.
A drug ring. Yes, that makes lots of sense considering MSP has never mentioned drugs being related to Ayla's case. Everything else is speculation. Brianna was arrested, not in connection with anything having to with Ayla. If you know otherwise, let us know. ONLY if you got the info from this side of the fence. I don't travel to the other side, because my sanity won't allow me to.
As for your insults directed at TT and McKee, I think you should be the very LAST person on either side of reality to talk about uninformed, irresponsible, or foul-fingered crap. For months, I let you fill an entire page with it, eh?
As much as I would like to continue Pogabobbing with you, I've run out of words.
ALWAYS,
Obscure.
& P.S. yes, I'm THAT bitch!!!
Obscure, I wrote what I needed to write. I have thanked you for that, many times.
DeleteYou misunderstand what I'm saying - 'If it's not a drug ring, then what is it? [rhetorical]' Rhetorical, sarcastic - that is not what it is about, it's not about drugs, but the taste is left on the pages as if it has been discussed and then removed. Just read the page! That is what, I believe, harms this family the most. Now that I read the comments before they were deleted, I understand why it now appears that way.
And no, you let me fill many pages with all sorts of stuff. However, I will miss reading MK and TT - I thought it polite to tell them why.
THAT bitch? PMS? Sorry to hear that. It's not personal.
posted by pogamen 10/21/2012
I told you why it was deleted. It was ridiculous to have been posted in the first place. I'm all for conspiracy theories, but a drug ring? I'll pay the drug dealer the requisite amount to release Ayla. Come on...additionally, the entire conversation was not removed, the references to the Chris guy are still there. I don't see the point in dragging up the entire Lamour clan...I really don't.
DeleteNothing was polite about what you told them...I have a feeling you know that, and you didn't have to go to the other side to have an enlightenment on that one. At any rate, it's impossible for me to have PMS, but thanks.
Trolls, No need to moderate, some times they are good for a laugh or 2. .
ReplyDeletePeter H. ...Well I'll be polite, and just say, certainly no one gives any credence to anything he writes.
Good to see you posting and commenting Obscure, you've been missed.
ReplyDeleteI agree that mandatory moderation isn't needed.
As for Peter - a man who works for DHHS and puts himself out there as a devout Christian - is a blogging crime enthusiast who crucifies families of victims without requiring a shred of fact - that is a huge disconnect for me... oh, wait, he's not perfect, just forgiven - so he can keep on keeping on
http://life-with-elle.blogspot.ca/2012/10/missing-in-maine-ayla-bell-reynolds.html more people are getting ayla's name out there!!
ReplyDeleteI agree with no moderation. People need to be respectful in commenting but all of us should know that if we are able to comment so are many others. Its much better for a conversation. I truly hope that ayla is found before the one year mark. I know some people have stopped following for the most part. And as for peter. I read there for a short while and it didn't keep my attention. I don't think he knows anything really and just feel that the more followers he gets the more cocky he gets and he is leading the way with his pitchfork ready to crucify everyone who gets in his way. I wish le would make a statement if for nothing that to get her name out there. News articles are becoming fewer and fewer. And seriously guys if you can't come up with a name do something random. I happened to have been eating skittles when I chose mine.
ReplyDeleteI find that a lot of the bs with this case is all 2nd, 3rd hand and beyond, information. If we stick with the facts as presented by LE, we are left with very little. At that, how can anyone, not directly related to LE, say with any certainty who is behind Ayla's disappearance.
ReplyDeleteAs far as moderation goes, why should you have to babysit....when the trolls get out of hand, then reconsider. Besides without Mckee and TT commenting the trolls seem to have gone back into their caves.
And to Mckee and TT, I wish you would stick around. I find your comments and thoughts enlightening and thought provoking.
oaklandrez
Oak...I'm curious. Do you have a theory?
DeleteI had Justin squarely pegged at jump street. Blood, LIP, eerie silence (re: "no comment"), and the statements made by LE that the three adults in the home were not telling all they knew.
But I could no longer dismiss Trista's contradictory comments as just the ramblings of a bereaved mother. I mean...WTF?
I'll understand if you don't want to share...just curious about your take.
oak, I would be interested in hearing any theories you may have as well
DeleteIn the very beginning my first thoughts were Trista and parental abduction, then I was seeing, reading and hearing things that swayed me to the belief that Justin had done something horrible.
DeleteThen I began reading at places, other than MS comment board, here, Statement Analysis, J4A, then U4A, and noticed there were 3 distinct groups. Group one, firmly in the Reynolds camp, ready to hang Justin and company, as well as anyone not of the same belief as them.. Group 2, firmly in the DiPietro camp, ready to hang Trista and family, as well as anyone not of the same belief as them. Group 3, people on the fence, one's that actually look at both sides and the inconsistencies from both camps.
I can say with all honestly, I have no clue who did what. I have a very hard time believing the Dips and co (at least 7 people in all) could keep a secret that big for this long.
I have serious misgivings about Trista and the rest of the maternal family based on the inconsistencies in her stories and statements.
All of this being said, my "theory" is that in some way Trista or someone close to Trista abducted Ayla and because of all the media and police attention this has generated, can't find a way to get Ayla back to her family without getting in trouble. I think this was done in some way to hurt Justin as he has hurt her (Trista).
It does not escape my attention that he has not once bad mouthed Trista and I find that VERY telling. I also find the wish for immunity telling as well.
I know, people are going to trash my "theory" but we all know, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. And her is mine...lol
oaklandrez
oaklandrez
DeleteWhy would anyone trash your theory. Your theory is very close to mine. I also have a theory that if Trista is not involved someone on Trista's side may have done it without Trista knowing because they feared Trista would get Ayla back. The dynamics of Trista's family is interesting to say the least
Thanks, Oak. I think your theory and the manner in which you are reaching it is very sound.
DeleteI agree with all your suspicions and would like to toss out another: Trista took to the media circuit in those first days when the case was being treated as an abduction. Not ONCE did she speak out to the kidnapper for the return of her daughter. In hindsight, that just strikes me as very odd.
I also agree with your comments on the Sentinel. If and when this case is finally cracked, there are going to be some pretty shocked folks.
Mckee-the media circuit that Trista went on and DIDN'T once speak to a kidnapper makes me think all the more that Trista had something to do with Ayla's disappearance.
DeleteI think there is way more to this story...I believe that both sides of the family could very well be involved.
oaklandrez
Whitney Trista's stepsister I think bothers me the most. She came out of the gate screaming abuse by Justin. Immediately putting suspicion on him. When everyone was looking for a toddler who may have wandered off she was poisoning public perception against Justin. She was the spokesperson for the family who didn't even have her facts straight and then suddenly she was gone. I found this very strange at the time since it was still considered a missing child case either abduction or she wandered off. It was before any mention of the blood, before any mention of much of anything at that point.
DeleteDecember 19
Whitney Raynor, her mother’s stepsister, said Monday that welfare agents had placed Ayla with her father in November while the mother was in rehab for substance abuse. The girl had bruises after being in her father’s care, Raynor said, in addition to a broken arm three weeks ago.
“Our biggest fear is that he lost his temper and something happened. We’re trying not to think about that, but in the back of our minds it’s our biggest fear,” Raynor said from Portland, where Ayla’s mother, Trista Reynolds, lives.
http://www.newstribune.com/news/2011/dec/19/missing-maine-girls-kin-feared-her/
Now in hindsight I see these text messages and know they are not complete or in order, I have to wonder if Trista had been threatening to come take Ayla from Justin and that is why he said he shouldn't have to be afraid in his own home that someone could just come and take Ayla. Since that conversation had happened might Trista have thought if she did take her Justin would call her first and when her phone started ringing she ignored it because she knew it was Justin calling to find out what she did with Ayla and she wanted to make sure she was well away from Waterville when he called. When that didn't happen and Justin called 911 instead was that why they had to immediately take any suspicion off of them and get the ball moving in the Justin did it direction.
Trista appeared on the TODAY show on December 29:
DeleteReynolds told TODAY that while DiPietro was a caring parent, she thought "the way he was going about things was wrong." She did not elaborate.
Reynolds says she has now been sober for three months.
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Justin appeared on the TODAY show on January 2:
Asked about Reynolds' previous statements to "Today," in which she questioned Dipietro's parenting skills and said she was concerned Ayla wasn't safe in his care, Dipietro said he was unaware of any concerns. "We had both agreed that me having her at this point in time was the best thing for her," he said.
This from WCSH6 Portland on June 1 after the press conference:
Delete"Trista, too, is extremely angry at DiPietro. "That man killed my baby," she said. Police have not implicated DiPietro. They aren't even calling Ayla's disappearance a homicide, but they have said that DiPietro, his sister, Elisha and his girlfriend, Courtney Roberts, are not saying everything they know about the night Ayla went missing."
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Interesting...at least to me. LE can toss the "foul play" card out there, and even state that Ayla is likely deceased. But McCausland HAS stopped short of dropping the "murder" or "homicide" bomb in Ayla's case.
Is this intentional? Keeping the option of a tragic accident in play?
I do recall reading that MSP has a three-pronged agency that concentrates on homicides, suspicious deaths, and major crimes. Ayla's case has been classified under the "major crimes" umbrella...not homicide.
OT: I had every intention of stepping back from commenting on this case, but I find myself being drawn back in. The comments here are rich, insightful and intelligent. I do think there is great value in looking back at what has transpired, been stated, and previously reported. Honestly, I'm on the fence in this complex who-done-it. Hell, there has been "chatter" that Ayla and Gabbie had a babysitter or two or three on occasion. The privacy of these alleged sitters should be protected, but I hope they have been cleared of any suspicion.
mckee, the MSP division you speak of is called the Major Crimes Unit. From their web site:
Delete"Major Crimes Unit - The State Police criminal investigation division (M.C.U.) is responsible for major investigations including homicides, suspicious deaths and child abuse cases. MCU investigates all homicides in Maine, except in Portland and Bangor. The Maine Attorney Generals Office prosecutes all homicides in the state and detectives work closely with those prosecutors."
For what it's worth, early on in the investigation, there was a State Assistant AG or two that visited the DiPietro home when the family voluntarily handed the premises over to investigators for those two weeks. I would say that MCU is investigating the case is fact, that the case is classified in any particular way beyond that is not. McCausland has been purposefully vague beyond saying "foul play" and "unlikely to be found alive".
I think MCU would investigate child kidnappings as well, but with prosecutors from the AG's office visiting implies to me they were leaning homicide early. Whether that's still the case, I don't know. They don't seem to have enough evidence yet to bring charges for anything at this point.
I'm glad your being drawn back in :) I too am on the fence on this case.
oaklandrez, Certainly your thought process and how you switched opinions as you learned more lines up with what I've gone through. Though I've tended to ultimately stay a bit more in the mindframe that in all likelihood, Justin or someone else close to him caused Ayla's disappearance - and it is likely that she is deceased and her remains hidden or disposed of. But I'm still only about 70% confident with that. 30% is a pretty solid amount of doubt I have.
DeleteScout...when I see you post here, I know I'm on the right forum.
DeleteThank you for clarifying the MCU issue. "Foul play" and "likely dead" sure sounds like homicide to me. I know that on December 29 the case was deemed a criminal investigation. What I didn't catch is that LE has never uttered the term murder or homicide in their statements regarding Ayla.
Scout...strange timing for MCU to redefine the agency. Note the last paragraph:
Delete"A decision was made a few months back to change (the name) to the Major Crimes Unit, which is more in line with its task," McCausland said. "The detectives remain the same. The command of the two divisions remain the same. All that changed was the name to better reflect this day and age of their mission."
The name change became official Sunday, two days after the name was first introduced to the public by Waterville Police.
"It was coincidental that the name change was announced in conjunction with the Ayla Reynolds investigation," McCausland said.
I'm not sure if any of you live in Maine, but as a resident of the state when they passed the case from WPD to Major Crimes I had assumed it was all due to money. Not once had I heard homicide or murder. When the Attorney General visited the house even WPD Chief said not to read more into it. I just assumed the state had more funds and resourses than Waterville and that is why they took over the investigation. I remember that as being one of my first thoughts when the change in departments happened and my husband and i had discussed it.
DeleteBut Waterville Police Chief Joseph Massey insisted that Ayla Reynolds’ disappearance remains a missing child case, that “everything remains open and we’re not discounting anything.” Massey told reporters that the investigation is now focused on an expanded search of the house in a neighborhood of neatly kept tract homes.
“That is the last place Ayla was seen. So as you might expect we’re going to give a lot of attention to that particular house, looking for any clues where she might be or where it would help us to locate her,” Massey said.
“We need to go through that as thoroughly as we can, just like we do in any other investigation.”
He said officials from the state attorney general’s office, including criminal division chief William Stokes, were at the house, but that was just to give them an opportunity to look at the site.
“We’re at a point where we thought it was appropriate for him to come in and just do a walk-through,” Massey said.
Attorney General Spokeswoman Brenda Kielty said the visit to Ayla’s father’s home by Stokes and Andrew Benson, another top homicide prosecutor, was “standard protocol.” She declined further comment on the case.
The police chief played down the significance of yellow tape strung about the perimeter of the small property, saying it was “just an additional barrier” to secure the site. He said people shouldn’t read too much into the presence of a state police incident command van parked there, saying it was for the convenience of technicians working at the site.
http://bangordailynews.com/2011/12/22/news/state/authorities-place-tape-around-waterville-home-of-20-month-old-ayla/
mckee, I wasn't aware of the division name change - what was it called prior?
DeleteI have no idea what LE is really thinking right now nor what evidence they have. But apparently the two don't add up to enough to charge anyone yet, and that is pretty concerning. I fear this case will languish for years if there isn't an indictment soon. If their theory and the evidence isn't enough for a conviction as of yet, what else can they add to the equation to make it enough and when and how will they get it?
Scout...it was called the MCU. This from the Portland Press Herald on Dec 31:
Delete"The Major Crimes Unit investigates homicides, suspicious deaths and other major criminal cases, said Steve McCausland, spokesman for the state Department of Public Safety. "This case would fall into that latter category," he said."
I realize I'm splitting hairs here, but as I read it, there appears to be a distinction between "homicide" and "major criminal case". I'm sure the two often overlap, but Ayla's case is deemed a major criminal investigation.
Sadly, I agree with your grim assessment that this case may not result in an arrest(s) and trial. No person of interest has been named, LE won't call it a homicide, all the evidence has been processed, and the days just pass.
Scout...I was wrong. Found this in the MS of January 5:
Delete"Major Crimes Unit" is a new name for a decades-old institution, McCausland said. The group, which formed in the mid-1950s, used to be called the Criminal Investigation Division, or CID."
Scout, Mckee - I read at many different blogs that reference the Ayla Reynolds case and have happened upon this:
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"Someone asked me for an update in the Ayla Reynolds case, specifically, if there would be an arrest any time in the near future. Ayla Reynolds disappeared from her home in Waterville, Maine on December 16, 2011. She was twenty months old.
Will there be an arrest in Ayla Reynold's case? The reading details that in the past, there was an event that was almost completely lucky for the perpetrator. This is the Wheel of Fortune. It was pure chance that gave this person the opportunity to make Ayla disappear in the first place. The next card is the ten of swords, which is violence. Often, this card describes fatal violence. After this, we have the High Priestess, reversed, telling us of assistance from a female. The High Priestess also speaks of secrecy, and reversed, this screams "accomplice". In addition to being dishonest, this woman is shallow and predictable, however; which may help the investigation.
For the present, we have the Sun. I believe that this is a clue to where Ayla can be found. She is outside, somewhere that either gets a certain amount of sun, or the name "Sun" is part of a place name nearby. I still think she is on private property somewhere. Following this we have the six of swords, reversed. While Ayla has not moved, neither has the investigation. Temperance is the next card describing the present. Temperance describes the proper handling of physical evidence and asking questions at the appropriate time.
In the future, we have the four of pentacles, reversed, telling us that someone may just "let go" of this child's remains at an opportune moment. Upright, this card means hoarding, but reversed, it is quite the opposite. Following this, we have the seven of swords, reversed. This tells us that everything will be done in secret, and the perpetrator stands a reasonably good chance of getting away with it. Death reversed is the last card. Ultimately, hiding what has happened will not be completely possible, as Death, when it falls reversed, is a card of stagnation. In order for an arrest, it will be necessary to watch the suspects closely. They still have some evidence to either destroy or discard."
Now, I know many people put little or no stock in psychics and tarot card readers. I just found it interesting and a little bit related to the lack of information and/or arrest we have seen in this case.
oaklandrez
fatal violence-blood found
Deletefemale accomplice-Phoebe or Courtney or Heidi?
more evidence to discard, where, in the river?
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let go? when the time is right, says Dipietro
O/T: release of evidence in Ridgeway case - if you go to the pages and can sift through all the family fundraisers, many put on by shameless self-promoting businesses, you can occasionally find actual news
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The family announced via their minister at the memorial, that they will not be keeping all the money that has been sent to them. Why are businesses continuing to "host fundraisers?" Particularly a haunted house, replete with zombies, ghosts, corpses, axe murderers, and the like? Inappropriate?? :(
Deletefrom the Frightmare Compound, Westminster, CO: "Wednesday night from 7pm-10pm we are hosting a huge benefit for Jessica Ridgeway! A portion of all tickets sales will go to the Ridgeway family... If you're too scared to go through the haunted houses, come out and donate to show your support. Spread the word, and we look forward to seeing everyone on Wednesday night!"
Oak...thanks.
DeleteSpace...I'm speechless and repulsed re: Frightmare. When I first saw your post I thought you were pulling my leg. I cannot fathom such a distasteful "fundraiser" on behalf of the Ridgeway family. Jessica was found in PIECES.
Beyond comprehension. SMH.
the memorials, balloon releases, even the car/bike run - all understandable... then it got to bake sales, tattoos, restaurants donating portions of sales within a certain time frame (ex: Please Join CiCi’s Pizza Of Westminster On Saturday, October 27th From 11am-10pm, Mention Jessica when you order and drop your receipt in the box. CiCi’s Will Donate 20% 0f Your Net Sales Back To Jessica’s Fund.)... but I don't think they can get any worse than Frightmare. It's disgusting. Jessica's death and this family's grief are a media and advertising event. I feel like their personal tragedy is being exploited. I can't even imagine how they're coming to grips with their loss and all this activity and attention. :(
DeleteI have to say this and I will probably get bashed fr saying it. I understand this is a tragedy. How horrible for a family to have this happen to them, they deserve all the support they can get. But that does not mean ching ching let the cash register ring.
DeleteI do not mean to sound like an ass but I wish all these people donating money had come together before Jessica was so brutally murdered to raise money. Maybe they could have raised enough money so that families didn't have to pay the $150.00 bus fee. Maybe then Jessica would not have had to walk to school. Why not use the money donated now for a fund lie that so NO CHILD IS LEFT BEHIND.
Sorry I needed to rant about that. It has made me sick to my stomach seeing all these fund raisers and no one thinking of starting a fund like that to protect more innocent children
Looking - the minister at the memorial indicated that the family was setting up a fund for underprivileged children, I don't know what that entails. It seems to me these businesses could just donate money to the family if they were so inclined and STFU about it, as I'm sure MANY have - rather than getting publicity from it.
DeleteI agree the space between
DeleteIt just seems to me if anything should be publicized it should be a fund like that. I did see a heartwarming story about high school kids waiting around to keep an eye on the elementary students when they were released from school. I guess it is just my frustrations coming out. I want to see something happen to prevent this from happening in the future. The monster is still out there and could grab anther kid any morning just as easily as they grabbed Jessica. Oh and the tattoo fund raiser also turned my stomach, not that i have anything against tattoo's it is just any sicko who is turned on by this case or is the predator could have been one to get Jessica's name tattooed on them and no one would be the wiser
Space...I have to wonder if the Ridgeways are quietly "approving" these events.
DeleteSarah Ridgeway could stop "Frightmare" and "CiCi's Pizza" dead in their tracks for exploiting her butchered child for profit. Sarah could sue "Frightmare" and "CiCi's"...and I bet you she would win big time. "Mention Jessica" with your pizza order. How disgusting.
Why isn't Sarah demanding that businesses cease using her dead daughter as a cash cow?
Looking & mckee - agreed, agreed
Deletemckee - re: quietly approving - possibly the Ridgeways are being sheltered from the media of things and just gratefully accept when a business offers to do a "fundraiser" - and/or maybe they are somewhat naive... or maybe we're jaded? I've tried to see it differently, but I can't.
I think looking at this shit in all possible perspectives is the right way to go, Space.
DeleteExploiting a dead child for revenue is plain and simple bad form.
I can honestly say that until i got involved in Lisa's and then Ayla's cases, I never realized how truly disgusting and heartless people can be. Some people will do just about anything for either attention or money and they don't care at what cost. There are people who have made themselves big names in cases for all the wrong reasons and that's really sad. You have tons of people spending their own money and not expecting thanks trying to bring home missing children (AWESOME!), and then you have people doing everything they can think of to exploit an innocent child. There are such sickos in this world. I'm very sad and scared for all the children who have to grow up in this crazy place. I only hope that somehow, these crimes against innocent children.. and adults comes to an end. Soon.
Deletewell I believe the reason that 7 people may be able to keep a secret is because 1 and only 1 PERSON knows what happened to that little girl. when you say you don't belive all those people on the dads side of the family could keep quiet, what about the unstable people on the mom's side keeping such a big secret?
ReplyDeleteconclusion-disapearance was done by one person with no witnesses and hasnt talked. may take it to the grave.
one - I agree that one seems more likely, and the bigger that number is the less likely it seems. Then I think, if it was someone on either side of the family, wouldn't the people around the person(s) have become suspicious by now? Wouldn't their conscience assail them in some way? Wouldn't their secret come out in some way when they were having a "weak" moment?
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DeleteTo me the difference on the maternal side that makes it more likely is the pre existing conditions of mental instabilities and drug conditions that can lead to people doing unstable things and them believing that what they have done are okay or that their lies are true or are okay. Another thing that already exists on the maternal side is that they have already been known to connect themselves with law breakers and also seem to believe that they have been done wrong and that the law and DHHS are against them.
KM-that actually makes quite a bit of sense. Mental illness causes skewed views of the "real world" as well as the fact they easily justify the things they do that to "normal" people are crazy and unbelievable scenarios.
DeleteI don't necessarily believe that Trista was the one that took Ayla herself, although I do believe that is more likely than someone not as familiar with the house or the people in it. I tend to lean more toward someone in the house as well as Trista (or someone directly linked to Trista) doing this together.
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I check back here periodically to see if there are any real updates. Is this investigation really under such tight wraps that they don't want the public to know anything, or is there just nothing? Nobody in le is talking to the public. While I think it's nice that the public can come on here to see what's going on this is such a joke. There is no news. Nothing being written isnt already the same old s*** that people have been spewing for the past 6 months. And whether or not Justin or Trista or either of their families have anything to do with the disapeareance of Ayla, they should be talking to the public. The fact that they don't makes them both appear guilty.
ReplyDeleteJustin on The Today Show: "I'm here to help in any way I can, and by coming on here is in hopes of reaching out to the person that does have my daughter and to let them know that what you're doing isn't right. You may think what you're doing is right for Ayla, but it's not. You have no right. You're not her parent. She belongs home with her family."
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I wonder who Justin was addressing? It sounds like he has a vague inkling of an individual in mind ("You may think what you're doing is right for Ayla..."). I think it is an odd comment, and hints at Ayla being removed for her own welfare. He is clearly not addressing a total stranger, and he is clearly addressing a SINGLE individual ("the person that does have my daughter...").
Justin doesn't sound suspicious of Trista ("you're not her parent"). At least not directly.
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To me the difference on the maternal side that makes it more likely is the pre existing conditions of mental instabilities and drug conditions that can lead to people doing unstable things and them believing that what they have done are okay or that their lies are true or are okay. Another thing that already exists on the maternal side is that they have already been known to connect themselves with law breakers and also seem to believe that they have been done wrong and that the law and DHHS are against them.
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Ok, Km--you state that the maternal side has been known to connect with lawbreakers, so has the PATERNAL SIDE- Lance with his criminal assault,illegal drug smoking in public etc record,Briona with her convicted drug dealing criminal record,derek with his criminal DUI, justins gf courtney and her criminal Lamour close family ties. so let's be fair here..
also--the mental illness and drug problems on the MATERNAL SIDE is MORE LIKELY to spring a leak. People with substance abuse can't keep a secret.
Lance A. DiPietro, an uncle of missing toddler Ayla Reynolds, of Waterville, was convicted Thursday of an assault that occurred in February
DeleteLance DiPietro’s previous criminal record includes a 2002 juvenile burglary conviction, a 2003 theft, 2005 and 2006 convictions for furnishing alcohol to minors and violating conditions of release, and a 2007 violating condition of release.
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IN WINSLOW, Wednesday at 1:03 a.m., Derek A. Tudela, 23, of 1295 Main St., Clinton, was arrested on a charge of operating under the influence, on Benton Avenue.
@time to debunk
DeleteFirst of all the only person listed above who is a paternal family member is Lance. Next Courtney is not responsible for her sisters crimes. So what we have is Lance being charged for getting in a fight.
And I guess we will have to agree to disagree because I believe that mental illness is just as likely to cause people to be unstable enough to be delusional. To live in a world of their own reality.
Sorry I didn't see the other charges Lance had I just reread the above link. So yes it does appear Lance was a naughty teenager. But I stand by what I said I do not see the same long list of family member crimes, drugs and mental illnesses here. Feel free to correct me if you have links to those Phoebe, Elisha ,Justin ... And I will add that most of Lances other crimes at least appear to have happened 5 or more years ago so hopefully he has matured some since his teens.
Deletere: "the mental illness and drug problems on the MATERNAL SIDE is MORE LIKELY to spring a leak" - I'm not sure that's true.
DeleteKM where do you see a long list of crimes and mental illness on the maternal side? Trista acknowledges going into treatment for alcoholism. The rest is rumor. If you don't accept the rumor that Justin is a low-level drug dealer (for example) why are you willing to accept rumors of drug use and mental illness in the maternal family? Why are you minimizing Lance's crimes, some of which were juvenile and some of which were not? Why do you point out that Lance's crimes before the latest were 5 years old but not mention that his criminal history ranges from 2002 to 2012, an entire decade which is a huge percentage of his life given his age? For consistency's sake, either accept rumors on both sides of the family or stick to documented facts on both sides.
DeleteAs far as Derek's conviction, that is someone he chooses to associate with. His girlfriend's sister is a convicted drug dealer- again an association chosen perhaps (I am not sure about this one). Even Trista and her problems- this is who Justin not only chose to associate with but to engage in intimacy with and impregnate. His brother Lance also was friends with Trista.
People who are emotionally stable do not generally engage in multiple intimate relationships with people who are unstable/addicted/criminally-inclined, etc. You really can't bash Trista here without also impliedly bashing Justin and vice versa. And while neither is responsible for what their relatives or associates do, the company they keep does reflect on who they are.
perhaps I should have said multiple close relationships rather than intimate as I did not mean sexual at that point in the discussion
DeleteTrista allowed her relatives to care for Ayla for most of her life including her arsonist boyfriend. None of Justin's friends took care of Ayla. Courtney was in his life not her sister. And I do believe that five years in a young persons life makes a very big difference. Trista's relatives are still currently making their choices. Drugs and having their children removed. And I am not bashing Trista I am stating facts. Same as you.
DeleteKM-None of Justin's friends took care of Ayla.
DeleteThis is a LIE, as Courtney,Connie Disanto and several others including one in portland cared for Ayla. do you know all their backrounds, child abuse history, drugs, crimes?do you know for a FACT that briona never watched ayla , so he and his buds could go out, or, so he and courtney could party at the pub? you dont know shit.
if courtney was in justins life, so was briona as she lived in the same building as courtney right accross the street from JUSTINS APT, to say he never had her IN HIS APT, visited her in hers with or without courtney,or saw her in COURTNEYS APt is bullshit. you thik they didnt ever hangout?PLEASE.
TRISTA and her fam are still doing drugs and having kids removed?PROOF PLEASE. you ARE bashing and are not stating FACTS.
you think it was a coincidence justin hightailed it out of portland before the drug bust accross the street? think again...
@some people
DeleteConnie Disanto did not know Justin except through having met him through friends a few times. She was not a friend of his and so never watched Ayla. Now you are just making stuff up. And Courtney never watched Ayla she was with Ayla when she was with Justin. And yes as a matter of fact I do know that Brianna never watched Ayla. And I know Brianna was not in Ayla's life. Ayla had just come into Ayla's life recently and the times he had her Brianna was not there. And when Ayla came to live with him in Waterville Brianna lived in Portland.
Trista's family have had their kids all taken from them what more proof do you need? Trista had DHHS on her tail. And she IS still using and so are her family members. All you have to do is open your eyes. They all speak for themselves.
And Justin had left Portland in at least Aug-Sept? So how is that hightailing it out of Portland before a drug bust that happened in Jan? You are very confused. Furthermore do you really think LE is so dumb that with as high profile a case as this is that if Justin was somehow involved in it they wouldn't have talked someone into plea bargaining to rat out Justin if he had any involvement? I don't think they would have left that stone unturned but nice try.
Correction: Should have read Ayla had just come into Justin"s life
DeleteI am beginning to think some people are dopes on a rope.you are the tool making shit up.
DeleteConnie disanto didnt know justin through friends, she is a close friend of the family, more specifically close to phoebe, and she has stated she did in fact babysit ayla.THERE IS A PHOTO OF CONNIE HUGGING PHOEBE IN THE MORNING SENTINEL FOR CRIPES SAKE.
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http://media.onlinesentinel.com/images/300*239/Vigil+Ayla+Reynolds+2+copy1.JPG
Phoebe DiPietro, grandmother of Ayla Reynolds, is comforted by her friend Connie diSanto McCord, of Waterville, at a vigil for the missing toddler at Castonguay Square in downtown Waterville on Saturday.
KM your prejudices are showing. Even Justin himself said he moved to Waterville once he got Ayla which was in Oct., not Aug. or Sept. And he was not fully moved in to Waterville until the days immediately prior to Ayla's "disappearance," again by his own admission he was moving his belongings from Portland to Waterville Dec. 14th ish.
Delete"Trista's family have had their kids all taken from them" you say? Where's the proof of that? Trista and her siblings were removed from their parents' home? Her siblings and step siblings have had all of their kids removed from their custody? I suppose her 3rd cousins once removed have also?
So how is that hightailing it out of Portland before a drug bust that happened in Jan?
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he cleaned out his apt in dec shortly before the drug bust in early jan.
KM- they wouldn't have talked someone into plea bargaining to rat out Justin if he had any involvement?
Delete---------------you do know part of brionas testimoney plea deal is SEALED, right? Well, we do thanks to someone here who has access to the court docs via pacer. I am beginng to think you ARE that dumb bitch briona or one of her apey-skank sisters or relatives.
Dumbass brionna-getting shipped to the fed pen for selling drugs. what a good family friend chris brichetto is. stupid punk, and to think even gessie her mom was chatting him up constantly on twitter. make you go HMMMM, doesnt it. him and his prior jail history and all. the whole family consorting with a MAJOR DRUG DEALER.
INCLUDING COURTNEY...............
DeleteKM twists the facts,
DeleteI'm sure you don't believe it, but you seriously need help.
Not sure who is twisting the facts here at this point because of the different names. But anyways here are some straight facts:
DeleteConnie Disanto is not Connie McCord. Connie McCord is Phoebe's friend. Connie Disanto is not. Neither woman ever babysat Ayla.
Justin started moving his things in Sept. He moved into his mom's in Oct. He only went to get a mattress he had left behind in Dec. Sept is five months before Jan. He sure was planning ahead if you are correct. Seems more likely that he was moving out because he was moving in with his mom per his agreement with Trista as she herself spoke about.
And as far as Trista's third cousins once removed I wouldn't know but I would not be surprised.
KM - You said Justin started moving into Phoebe's in September. We all know Ayla went to live there in October. We've heard that Courtney would pack up her son and spend the weekends in Waterville with Justin and Ayla. We've heard Justin was in Portland on the 15th to bring home the rest of his stuff. You said the only thing Justin had left in Portland was a mattress which he picked up in December. What were Justin, Courtney, and Ayden sleeping on before that?
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DeleteI only know that was when he went to get his mattress. I assume he was using one that his mom had at her house. And Ayden probably used a portacrib.
KM-Trista went into rehab in OCT.Trista asked him to watch ayla in OCT. Justin went to WTVL in OCT. he finished moving in dec 14/15 about 2 weeks or so BEFORE Briona was BUSTED with a boatload of drugs. so were justin and courtney sleeping on the floor in the basement? gross. Connie said herself she babysat Ayla. You are a poser pretending to be in the know, and it's apparent you KNOW SQUAT.
Deleteyou said--Justin started moving his things in Sept. He moved into his mom's in Oct. SO WHERE WAS HE MOVING HIS STUFF TO IN SEPT?
and why wait until DEC to finish moving? unless he never planned to STAY IN WTVL.
Don't know which Connie you are referring to or who you are. But you clearly have your facts all mixed up. Because there is no Connie Disanto McCord. So who do you even mean first of all? Second of all neither Connie ever babysat Ayla. There are two Connie's. One did not even know Phoebe and the other is her friend but she didn't babysit Ayla.
DeleteAs to Justin moving he started moving some of his things in Sept. to his moms. He did not move until Oct. And the only thing he waited to finish moving was his mattress. There are lots of reasons he might not go get one last item. But using logic I would say size, lack of need, and procrastination seem the most likely to me.
Thanks KM, obviously you know them and I don't - but don't you think the timing is weird? A mattress (allegedly with Trista's blood on it) comes into the house one day and Ayla disappears the next? I know you said you didn't know some particulars about where they were sleeping before, so I'm thinking out loud here - were Justin, Courtney and Ayden sleeping on the mattress that was picked up the 15th or was it sitting against a wall someplace because they didn't need it? If they were using it, what happened to what they had been sleeping on for the previous 2 months? Had they been sleeping upstairs - on a sofa bed or in Phoebe's bed while she was out? Was this their first weekend in the basement? Any light you could/would shed would be appreciated, if you don't know, you don't know.
DeleteConnie Disanto posted on one of Ayla's Facebook pages and would then remove comments. One comment I remember was that she watched Ayla. Whether there is any truth to it I dont know but it came from her mouth at one time.
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DeleteConnie Disanto did not babysit Ayla. Not sure what context she was writing she "watched" Ayla but it was not in the context of babysitting.
@ Space
DeleteI thought Trista said it was sheets that had her blood on them? And I have not heard that from LE.
And like I said I am just not sure what their sleeping arrangements were. I am assuming they slept on a mattress that was Phoebe's downstairs and I am not sure if they would have just stored Justin's when they picked his up or started using his instead?
KM - I don't know if the blood on the sheets is true, but if it is it would be VERY likely that it went through onto the mattress. I remember someone said LE removed a mattress from the home, I don't remember who said it or if that source was credible. I know some of Justin's supporters say Trista lied about her blood being there; however, that "knowledge" (?) has allowed me to feel that some of the blood LE may have originally thought was Ayla's was actually Trista's - and therefore, Ayla didn't lose as much blood as they initially thought. I resist being disabused of this notion. :(
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DeleteI don't know if that is true either. And I agree with all you said. And I will add I also believe Ayla may not have lost as much blood as they said based on LE's wording. They have never come out and said that the concerning amount of blood was all Ayla's. Only that some of it was.
BUT, they found the discovery of her blood 'TROUBLING' 3 or 4 drops ISN'T TROUBLING... it's not even worth mentioning, BUT A LARGE AMT, could point towards VIOLENCE towards AYLA,injury, death. THAT is troubling.
Deletenow the question is, did they say the amount of blood found or the amount of "her" blood found was troubling?
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Oak...
Delete"McCausland called the discovery of the blood "troubling." He declined to discuss how much blood was found in the basement or how long it might have been there."
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DeleteI recall he stated "some of the blood" was Ayla's...makes me wonder how much was her's. Was what was Ayla's the troubling amount or was the fact there was blood period the part that was troubling???
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Oak...McCausland did state that Ayla's blood was discovered, and the discovery was "troubling", but LE has been tight-lipped on the amount.
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ReplyDeleteQ-I wonder who Justin was addressing?
A-a fictional character
the statement-you're not her parent--hmmm, so if you ARE HER PARENT you have the right to make her DISSAPEAR? Only a PARENT has the right to decide what is best for AYLA? and if that PARENT decided she needs to dissapear off the face of the earth that would be ok with Justin? It would be justified because the PARENT owns the child? And since Trista was no longer the custodial parent, who does that leave?
O/T It has been determined that 2 teenage boys killed Autumn Pasquale for her bike parts....WTH is wrong with people?
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OMG!!!! There's NEVER a valid reason to kill a child, but why couldn't they just steal her bike out of her yard? And TWO teenagers - not one of them had enough of a moral compass to know how wrong that was. Ughh
DeleteI don't usually blame the parents for the actions of teenagers but what the father of these boys said today has me sick to my stomach. This statement shows exactly the mentality these kids were raised with.
DeleteRobinson said his sons were known for stealing bikes in the neighborhood and police told him they found bike parts stockpiled in the basement. He said one of the boys had been previously charged for theft.
"I think someone wanted the girl's bicycle," Robinson said. "Maybe she wanted her bike and resisted, and one of them snatched her off a bike."
Looking - I didn't see the quote from the father in the article I found. "Maybe she wanted her bike..."?? Really? Did the other bike theft victims not die because they willingly surrendered their bikes? I think sometimes people don't hear what they are saying. The article I saw said the mother turned them in because she was suspicious of something one of them posted on Facebook - which is what I would expect a parent to do.
DeleteHere is the link to the article I quoted. I meant to copy it into the post. He has been divorced from his wife for 7 years and hasnot seen his 5 children in that time.
Deletehttp://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/10/father_police_questioned_sons.html?fb_action_ids=10151158562339585%2C10151158521194585%2C10151158131269585&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_ref=s%3DshowShareBarUI%3Ap%3Dfacebook-like&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%2210151158562339585%22%3A339226392840520%2C%2210151158521194585%22%3A453075638066874%2C%2210151158131269585%22%3A421271167939084%7D&action_type_map=%7B%2210151158562339585%22%3A%22og.likes%22%2C%2210151158521194585%22%3A%22og.likes%22%2C%2210151158131269585%22%3A%22og.likes%22%7D&action_ref_map=%7B%2210151158562339585%22%3A%22s%3DshowShareBarUI%3Ap%3Dfacebook-like%22%2C%2210151158521194585%22%3A%22s%3DshowShareBarUI%3Ap%3Dfacebook-like%22%2C%2210151158131269585%22%3A%22s%3DshowShareBarUI%3Ap%3Dfacebook-like%22%7D
he had not seen any of his 5 children in 7 years - WOW
Deletehere's the one that speaks of the mother
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/10/23/body-found-may-be-missing-new-jersey-girl-police-say/?intcmp=trending
I give the mom credit for doing what must have been the hardest thing she has ever had to do. I can not even imagine what the post on facebook said that made her think her kids were involved. She did the right thing no matter what
DeleteWhile I agree it was probably hard to do, in another way I can see how it was not. I believe most human beings' strongest instincts are to do the right thing. Covering a crime like that does no one any good.
DeleteI have felt from the beginning that Phoebe can't possibly be covering for anyone in Ayla's disappearance, as I feel strongly she has the intelligence and wisdom to know how her whole family would suffer for it.
I feel the same way about Phoebe. I also feel that way about Heidi. I'm am sure both women would not put their lives, families, and jobs at risk like they have to protect anyone.
Deleteagreed Looking, I don't believe Heidi knows what happened to Ayla either. I feel that either one or both of them would have figured out by now if someone in their circle was lying to them, and they would have voiced that to LE as it would be the only right thing to do - for Ayla, for their families and themselves, for everyone.
Deletethey wouldnt if they KNEW they were covering, but they dont.
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DeleteI know a law enforcement officer who's partner found her body, she was in her underwear, also one of the murdering brothers was actually at the victims vigil Sunday night laughing and smirking witnesses stated on the TV news.
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They lured her into the house OFFERING her bike parts, as she liked BMX bikes, the plan was to rape and kill her!
re: discussion a few days ago about Justin's plea for immunity for a kidnapper to return Ayla -
ReplyDeletequote attributed to Lyric Cook and Elizabeth Collins' family: “We want our kids to be back. Whoever has them just drop them off anywhere we don’t care who you are. Just let us have them.”
I'm sure most families would feel the same.
OT...arrest made in Jessica Ridgeway case...
ReplyDeleteAustin Reid Sigg, age 17, has been arrested and is in custody for murder of Jessica Ridgeway. He has 5 charges pending against him: 2 counts first degree murder, 1 kidnapping charge &2 charges related to Ketner Lake incident in May. First court appearance is tomorrow.
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holy shit! a 17 yr old cut up another kid like a slab of beef, WTF??? kids slaughtering kids. heaven help the human race. 2 boys 15 and 17 just slaughtered a 12 yr old in their NJ neighboorhood for a bike. Autumn Pasquale. Beautiful and an A student. I am sick.
DeleteAccording to police documents, Sigg is a student at Arapahoe Community College. On March 23, he won second place in the Crime Scene Investigation division of the Health Occupation Students of America State Leadership Conference competition.
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DeleteSigg's mother: "I made the phone call, he turned himself in. That's all I have to say."
DeleteThat is 2 mothers in the past few days that have called LE regarding their sons' horrific crimes. I am grateful those mothers had enough morals and sense to do the right thing.
phoebe make the call....
Deletephoebe took Ayla. i don't think she would turn herself in. give her immunity.
Deletewas justin talking to his mom, what you're doing isnt right, you're not her PARENT. well that would include Phoebe I guess.
Deletecase solved. that was to easy. y doesn't LE see that?
Deleteany connection between Briona and Courtneys friend Chris Brichetto's drug runs,arrest in MA and this...
ReplyDelete"The Maine State Police major crimes unit is now leading the investigation, with some assistance from Massachusetts State Police"
sure it's easy- here it is: http://www.kjonline.com/news/foul-play-now-suspected_2011-12-30.html
Deletethey are offering specialized equipment to Maine investigators
Some children fearful after toddler Ayla’s disappearance, mental health agency says
ReplyDeleteStaff at Kennebec Behavioral Health, which operates four clinics in central Maine, have reported children struggling to cope as the case stretches into its third week, said clinical director Karen Mosher.
“They’re seeing a number of children who were experiencing anxiety and fear in regard to the situation,” she said. “Some of these are children who have been exposed to a lot of media attention and drama.”
Justin DiPietro said his invitation is solely for Nancy Grace, not for her show’s producers.
ReplyDelete“She’s got a job to do and I do respect that,” he said. “And, as far as her personal attacks on me, well, thank you, Nancy Grace, you are essentially keeping the awareness up about Ayla.”
Dad knows where she is.
ReplyDeleteLet me rephrase my statement.... It is my opinion that Justin knows where his daughter is. Carefully note that I did not say that he was specifically involved in her disappearance, just that I believe he knows where she is. I "do" behavior for a living... observing and interpreting human behavior, then, by virtue of my position, modifying it, is my gig. It's what I do. I am not a "criminal profiler" but I do have a B.S. in Criminal Justice, a B.A. in Social Sciences, and several grad courses in behavioral analysis. I currently work with adolescents who have been incarcerated in youth detention facilities and/or psychiatric units, and are at risk for further criminal behavior and/or at risk for victimization. As I watched the interview with Justin, I did what I always do, watch for signs of deception and nervousness, listened to his voice patterns, and perhaps most importantly in this case, listened for the questions he DIDN'T answer. His performance was definitely coached, probably by an attorney, but some things we just can't keep our body from doing because they are unconscious responses to stressful situations.
Given what you know about the situation. What would you expect a grandmother to do?
ReplyDeleteProtect the child. That is my speculation.
opinion2 - I'm not sure who you are talking to or about, but assume by "grandmother" you mean Phoebe and "child" being Justin. What I would expect is she would turn him in if she knew he was guilty of something. How would allowing your son to cover up the disappearance (death?) of his child be protecting him? How would it be protecting your daughter and her child when it allows your daughter to live under an umbrella of suspicion also? How would it be protecting your other son and yourself, your jobs, your home, your reputations, your freedoms, everything you've worked for your whole life, your ability to eat and sleep, your relationship with God if you are a person/people of faith?
Deleteopinion2 - apparently what seems obvious to me isn't necessarily the norm - on A4A Laurie Bingham said she could understand a mother covering for her son (she did not say that she herself would do so) and then JohnP said that he believes he would "protect" his sons, but not their friends. (I found this shocking, actually.) Anyway, I'm curious what other people think/feel about that subject.
Deletemckee? oak? Looking? S? anyone? Do you feel it's normal behavior for a parent to cover their child's crime to protect said child?
Laurie Bingham says:
October 23, 2012 at 12:16 pm
I have often wondered if there is more to it than Heidi just protecting Justin. I cant see any Mother putting herself, her family and businesses on the line to protect a troubled friend of her child especially when a baby is missing and could possibly been hurt or worse. I can however see a Mother doing all of this to protect her own son. LE says Justin isnt being truthful and perhaps he isnt being truthful with his supporters since Heidi says there was only a couple drops of blood which isnt what LE says since more showed up with the Luminol in the pictures they showed him. I would hope he would be honest with someone who is putting their own reputation on the line for him and to do that without all the facts and listening to what LE is saying is foolish. Is it only the life insurance policy or was Derek more involved than that? Time will tell I guess. Where is Ayla? If she was really kidnapped why are they not in the media and searching high and low for this kidnapper and working with Laura Recovery? It just doesnt make sense!
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John P says:
October 23, 2012 at 1:27 pm
And to add to your reasoning Laurie, I have wondered, from a guys perspective, why a husband would permit this level of involvement unless it is to protect the Father-Son bond. Though I do feel I would protect my sons, I do not believe I would protect thier friends who were quite possibly guilty of the disappearance of thier child. Actually I know I would not allow it to harm my family! Where has Daddy been in all of this, as silent as Justin!
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DeleteNo, I don't think it is normal to cover for a child's crime, at all, no matter their age. No matter what the crimne may be. I know that I wouldn't or couldn't do that, ...for all the reasons you have expressed.
Example...When my daughter was 14, with a few peers at a mall stole some earrings. When I learned of it a day later, I made her go to the manager, confess what she had done, and pay for them. (then they went in the trash).
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I am not sure if it is normal or not. I know it does happen a lot from very minor crimes to major crimes. I think it is the mother's instinct to protect her child. It is then up to the mother's moral compass on whether or not they cover up or make their child face the music. I do not think a mother would cover for one child if it was to hurt another child. For example if Phoebe knew Justin did something or even suspected it I do not think she would cover for him since by having all this suspicion on the family it is putting her other son, her daughter, and her granddaughters life in turmoil. Remember Elisha has been going through a custody battle during all this and from what I have seen online, she has custody of her daughter and Justin L has supervised visitation. Certainly if she knew something why would she risk losing another granddaughter if she could clear this all up with a phone call.
I said it once the facts started coming out in Autumns case that it must have been the hardest decision to make that call to police and tell them she suspected her sons were involved. I do think she probably struggled with it at first but then did what was right.
I can tell you I have taught my children from a very young age that no matter what you do, no matter how bad you screw up you always tell the truth and I live by that myself. I can also say that with out a doubt in my mind if my child committed a crime like this I would either call police myself or I would make sure they turned themselves over to police. I would then allow the justice system to do what it is in place to do.
the guy confessed and hid the rest of her body parts in a crawl space under the house. gross. must smell nice. wonder if that made mama suspicious. he strangled her right after he grabbed her.
DeleteI think in order to commit such a crime you are not normal. To be the parent and cover for your child is also a crime. That makes the parent not normal in my book.
DeleteBeing a thirty year old female with a slightly obsessive personality means that I have got drunk a lot in my life. Being someone who used to spend years as a wannabe writer means that I’ve done a lot of silly things while being drunk.
Delete10) The Time I Got My Friend To Stub Cigarettes Out On My Hand.
You know what it’s like. You’re a gal, you get to a certain age, you realise you don’t have any scars (which, for some reason, in your drunken state, you feel is a bad thing), you ask a mischievous friend to stub cigarettes out on the back of your hand. C
9) The Time I Threw My Phone Onto The Top Of A Building.
8) The Time I Did Tequila Slammers “Rich Style.”
” Rich started to pour salt onto the bar and separate it into lines. what you’ve gotta do is snort the salt, then you take the lemon and squirt it into your eyes, then you’ve gotta find your tequila and down it.”
7) The Time I Drank Petrol.
Now, to be fair this was a total accident and kind of not my fault. Well, okay, it was totally my fault, but it was an accident.
My boyfriend at the time had a car and for some reason we had got his Jerry Can out of the boot. It was empty, so I pretended to be a tramp drinking petrol.
6) The Time I Wrote All Over My Body In Permanent Marker.
Not a massive amount to explain about this one really. I got drunk, took my clothes off, and covered myself in permanent marker scrawls. Which didn’t wash off properly for days. So for the best part of a week I had things like “Feel my taste!”, “The woman of atlantis!” and “Ask me for the shoes!” on me.
5) The Time I Made My (Then) boyfriend Think I Was About To Have A Threesome With Two Of My Best Friends.
Yeeeeeeeeah, this was certainly not the cleverest thing I’ve ever done.
See, me and my friends Bonnie & Clyde (okay, that’s not their real names) went through this phase when we were all free and single of going round to Bonnie’s place, getting really drunk, and taking our clothes off. There was nothing sexual about it at all, we just liked being drunk and naked. On the night in question, we hadn’t done this for years.
4) The Time I Fell Asleep On The Pavement Opposite My Apt.
I’d been at a party until about four in the morning. Apparently I got very annoyed about something and started shouting a lot saying things like “Say goodbye to my tits!” I don’t remember this. Mmmm, trampy.
3) The Time I Started Taking Ecstasy At About 1.30am When I Had Work At 10.
2) The Time I Made One Of My Best Friends Think I Was In Love With Them When I’m Not.
1) My 27th Birthday.
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DeleteI believe the deal was we were to pick our own names and stick with them not impersonate others.
mckee? oak? Looking? S? anyone? Do you feel it's normal behavior for a parent to cover their child's crime to protect said child?
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I do not think it is normal for a parent to cover-up for a child and their crimes, however I do believe it happens, mostly in extremely dysfunctional families, where the child is NEVER held accountable for their actions from very early on in the childs life.
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This is just speculation but for some reason this makes me think of when Jeff said Trista is incapable of lying? Does he really think that or is he covering for her? Would he cover for her if she was involved with taking Ayla? Is this why a family who abandoned Trista and let her become homeless with small children, let her live in a hotel, suddenly came out and started smearing Justin from day 1? Hmmmm more questions.
DeleteI feel Jeff is dishonest - if he actually thinks Trista can't speak an untruth he would also have to be dumber than a box of rocks. I doubt she just started acting like that when Ayla went missing. Maybe "incapable of lying" recognizes "has little grasp on reality - she believes what she's saying." I had a family member with bi-polar illness - who would say all kinds of things that were outlandish and untrue, but I never thought of it as lying per se - I thought of it as "that's what she believes."
Deletedidnt phoebe blame other people because justin was locked into a store he was attemting to steal from after they closed for the night?
ReplyDelete"The only question I have is 'Where is my daughter?' " Justin DiPietro said.
ReplyDeletenot, is she ALIVE
is she HURT
when can I see her
he just wants to know if police KNOW WHERE SHE IS
"The only question I have is "Where is my daughter?" Justin DiPietro said.
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Missing questions...if my child went missing, that would be my one and only question as well.
I'm sorry you are dissatisfied that Justin didn't ask: Is she ALIVE? Is she HURT? When can I see her?
What is wrong with Justin's comment? Why are you punching holes in it? I get that you think Justin is guilty, but you factor in this comment????
I guess you take issue with Jessica Ridgeway's father, too:
"Jessica's father, Jeremiah Bryant, had one thing on his mind: "I just want to find my daughter and bring her back home," he said."
Can you please tell me how that differs from Justin's "where is my daughter?" comment?
If my child were missing I would not focus even for a second on them being hurt or not alive. What purpose would that serve other than to drive me more insane? Not seeing anything wrong with Justin's statement.
DeleteJustin ask the most important question. If he knew the answer to that, there would be no need for the other questions.
DeleteIt's the only question he can ask, he knows she's dead, he just doesn't know where in the river she has floated down to, where her body ended up.
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DeleteYou are confusing parents. Trista is the only parent who says Ayla is dead.
Trista may THINK she is dead, but Justin KNOWS she is.
Deletesuddenly, the fog has cleared , and all his askew-ridden bahviour makes perfect sense......
Again you are spinning your own tale MK. Try sticking to facts please. At least I am. Trista has said she "has no hope", "she just wants closure", "I don't believe she is alive".
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DeleteThe same could be said the other way around. Every time someone makes a statement someone finds a way to drag the paternal family down. Is it because you know Trista or family did something? Are they trying to deflect? In fact I believe that question was asked of them very early on as they were doing things that made them appear to have given up on Ayla and turned on the paternal family in the media very quickly. Was that a way to deflect attention from themselves? If I am biased so are you. Personally I am okay with being biased.
Justin's statement, "she probably thinks its just a game", now that statement I have problems with.
ReplyDeleteI have to agree with you on this one... Definitely an odd remark, and not one that I would expect from a parent of a missing child. Also, the "when the time is right" (or something like that) remark I deem fair game for questioning.
DeleteI maintain that Justin is involved...to what extent, I don't know. Trista makes me very uneasy.
perhaps they are BOTH involved for whatever reason.cahoots,
Deleteif Justin truly doesn't know anything about what happened to Ayla, but knows that Trista and her family wanted her back, and was hearing that from her a lot in the days before Ayla's disappearance - wouldn't he think that she was taken by one or more of them? "She probably thinks it's just a game" - wouldn't he naturally HOPE that is true? Honestly, wouldn't we all love that to be true?
DeleteNot sure how the "she probably thinks it's a game " statement is strange either. The way I see it Ayla was used to being taken care of by numerous caretakers while with Trista and then had just gone to live with Justin. And she was only 18 months old so kind of young to understand what was happening. And being moved around was probably not so strange to her and yeah maybe could have just seemed like more of the same games. JMO
DeleteIn which case, LE really needs to retract their "no abduction" and "likely dead" theories. Declaring such scenarios as fact to the public is not a game.
DeleteI agree Anon 8:16. A parent who believes his child has been kidnapped would have no reason to think the child would think it was a game; he would have no idea what horrors she might be experiencing and would be worried sick.
DeleteMaking excuses, really sickening. A normal father would be scared for a live child, hoping she wasn't being abused and was well-cared for. He doesnt discount what may be happening to 'a game' .I guess people who are sick and twisted might find this crap normal and shit.Either that or they are a friend or relative and just trying to keep the heat off. EVERYTHING can be explained away, EVERYTHING is a coincidenece, EVERYTHING needs an excuse.EVERYONE just happened to be deaf that night, EVERYONE just happened to sleep in strange places in the house that night,EVERYONE just happened to be blind that night,EVERYONE just happened to flunk their polys... Enough already. You can't fool ALL the people ALL the time.
Deletesome people are gonna look like a horse's ASS when the truth about this dude comes out, OH YEAH...when the time is right....$$$$$$500,000 and counting to the taxpayers of Maine. It's time to step up now fuckhead.
and to the dumb bitch HT--so, even if it's proven, Justin beat her to death with a crowbar, then cut her into pieces and flushed her down the toilet, you are gonna say 'HEY I SUPPORTED HIM AND AM SO PROUD I DID!!!!!' Go to hell.
I believe Justin made that statement early in the investigation. I have trouble with those statements from LE also, mckee. Obviously someone carried her out of the house - they say "no abduction" - that suggests to me that they have reason to believe Ayla died in the house. Is it more than blood? Was there cadaver dog hits? I know the dogs don't just pick up human smells, and the scents can stay a long time. I wonder if the history of the house has been fully looked at also. ie. what happened with the previous owners, did a person or pet ever die in the house, etc.
DeleteUnless of course the parent of the "kidnapped" child fully believes that the "kidnapper" was the other parent or a close family member.
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but Justins statement 'you're not her parent' kinda debunks that he thought trista had her or was involved.
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what an ASSHOLE. he knows she would NEVER THINK THIS, look how scared and timid she was when she came to his moms house. both he and Phoebe stated this.
"or a close family member"
DeleteWorth repeating. From the Bangor Daily News of January 16:
DeleteReynolds also responded to reports that DiPietro sent her a text message in the days before Ayla disappeared saying that he was worried someone might take the little girl. Reynolds said that’s a sentiment she has heard from DiPietro numerous times, including long before Ayla went missing. She said she took those statements to mean that he feared she or one of her family members would show up one day to take custody of Ayla.
“Justin thought that a lot,” said Reynolds. “He always thought that I would be the one to take her. I always wondered why he was so scared about that. Now that people are bringing it to my attention, I’m going back and saying, wait a minute. I never went to get her because I thought she was OK and well cared for.”
Ya know what MK, I gotta agree with you on this. People keep saying Trista or someone close to her took Ayla. But then why would Justin make the "you're not her parent" statement? (No, I don't buy the Jessica did it theory.) Personally I didn't care for the "she probably thinks this is a game" comment either. Some game, huh? The "when the time is right" and the "immunity" comments sound like stalling/deflection tactics. Come to think of it, I don't like Justin's demeanor as a whole. I was having doubts but looking back on it now it's seriously hinky.
DeleteSeriously - step out of this case and what you think you know and put yourselves in this position. You wake up and find your child is not in their bed. After searching the house high and low you call LE. You maintain that someone came in and took your child in the night (ie. Justin). What do you do?
Is your main concern for your child? Do you speak to the kidnapper the only way you have - tv/newspapers? Do you plead with them - please don't hurt her, just bring her to a safe place. She might cry because you're a stranger, don't get mad at her. She needs a binky to sleep. Chicken nuggets are her favorite. She loves music and loves to dance. Tell them anything that may help keep your child safe. Do you immediately take a poly to get suspicion off yourself, pass it because you're innocent, declare you've passed to the world so suspicion on you stops and LE gets looking where they need to for a kidnapper?
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Do you say “Initially, the first few days, I was emotionally incapable of coming out to do an interview.” “I hope that whoever had the courage to come into this house and take her has the courage to bring her back. It’s gone on long enough.” “When the time is right, everything is going to come out. And regardless of what law enforcement is saying or what (Ayla’s mother) Trista (Reynolds) is saying, this really isn’t the time to be saying anything.” He also said he wishes the police could offer immunity to the kidnapper so Ayla can be returned. Do you say when asked if you took a poly, I smoked it?
DiPietro said, "I know I went in there and smoked it. I told the truth and that's that." When asked if police told him the results, DiPietro said. "They can tell me whatever they want. Again, I didn't physically see the results."
When asked if police told him he failed the test, DiPietro said, "That's all irrelevant. I wanted to see the results myself. They're not letting me see them. Why don't they let the public see them?"
Ist impression - Justin did it. 2nd thoughts - I'm now not sure. 3rd look at everything - back to Justin did it.
why does he need to see any results, if he had nothing to do with it then he knows the results. the fact is he thought he FOOLED the poly and when told he FLUNKED he asked to see the results. he couldnt believe he wasnt as slick as he thought he was. just like the blood, he thought he cleaned it up real good, when confronted with the the pics of the basement lit up like a christams tree by luminol, he ran because he knew he FUCKED UP, ans had to split to rethink his strategy. and the luminol area of blood is tested to make sure it has hemoglobin and is not some other chemical. the samples are then tested for DNA. the DNA from the luminollit up samples belong to baby AYLA. A troubling amt of her blood was cleaned up-to--- the naked eye all that remained was 3 or 4 spots he missed.THOSE ARE IRRELEVANT, but the luminol lighting up a big area says, fatal or near fatal injury.
Deletethe luminol area he cleaned up was the life that drained out of baby AYLA.
It just seems like he used this baby as batting practice.
Hope the mom of his son doesnt leave that baby alone with him.
MK, going on what you said - do you have a theory as to why Elisha, Phoebe, and Courtney would allow Justin to be around Gabby and Ayden? Or why they would risk their own futures to cover that up?
DeleteThe space between, if he got her body out of the house quickly enough, the cadaverine wouldn't have formed yet. I think someone said it's about 1/2 hour to an hour window or so.
DeleteCarrying a body out of the house is not an abduction. If she died in the shed and then was removed as some speculate, there would be no abduction. Someone took her away from 29 Violette but whether she was alive at the time is a big ?
Trista could have taken Ayla out of the house herself and handed her off to someone else. It is very clear that she does not have her at this time. And was clear at the time Justin made his statement. So he very well could have thought Trista or a family member were possibilities but are not the ones holding Ayla at this time. Just something to think about.
Deletesemantics- another parent taking the child out of the home is not considered an abduction. It is not legally kidnapping depending on different state laws.
Justin running from the police station is a rumor. He didn't run from the station he stayed and finished answering questions for quite awhile.
DeleteDee - re: Justin not initially talking to the media - Jessica Ridgeway's family didn't speak to the media until the 5th day? The particular statement about being emotionally incapable the first few days, and the confusion about LE not wanting them to reveal anything, I don't find that part odd. I haven't followed enough cases to know, do you feel/think/know that the majority of parents speak immediately to the media?
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DeleteMK, going on what you said - do you have a theory as to why Elisha, Phoebe, and Courtney would allow Justin to be around Gabby and Ayden?
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Only Justin was home when what happened happened. Justin showed them the few drops VISIBLE to the eye the investigators circled. No one else but him saw the LUMINOL BLOOD, but him at the station. He LIED to them and played it down just like the poly he FLUNKED. Probably told them oh, luminol piced up the bleach I used to clean the basement floor. sure it did, and mixed with that , it tested positive for hemoglobin, and that hemoglobin tested positive for Ayla's DNA. Justin has an EXCUSE and a SPIN for everything.just like his sockpuppet KM here, boy, you couldn't jump on this shit fast enough, could you. YOU know it's all TRUE and you have to spin it away.
AYLA suffered a serious injury that caused quite the bloodshed in the basemnt. IF it were an accidential injury he would have answered questions about it at the vigil instead of deflecting it.
why do you think they are looking for her on the bottom of the river?the POLICE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, they just dont have the pieces to PROVE it....YET.
the others in the house dont know the whole truth, justin has deflected like he always has. But Lance knows......and where is he now? Lance will do the right thing, when he musters the balls to do it.
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DeleteIf I am Justin's sock puppet than who's sock puppet are you?
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DeleteYou are spinning stories faster that U4A folks. Try sticking to facts please.
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DeleteDee...I always like your comments. You make thoughtful, valid points.
DeleteI am not the mother of a missing child, thank God. I do not believe there exists a play-book on how to react to such a fearful situation.
That said, I DO have a problem with Trista...on many fronts. I'll use your example to illustrate:
Trista was invited to the Today show. She used that precious eight-minute opportunity to speak on national television to slam Justin. So I ask Trista...is your main concern for your child? Do you speak to the kidnapper the only way you have - tv/newspapers? Do you plead with them - please don't hurt her, just bring her to a safe place. She might cry because you're a stranger, don't get mad at her. She needs a binky to sleep. Chicken nuggets are her favorite. She loves music and loves to dance.
Its a slippery slope IMO. Trista slamming Justin doesn't alert the nation that Ayla is missing and needs to be found. Trista is obliged to express her concerns about Justin with LE, but what good does it do to bitch about him on national televison? Especially in hindsight, when we see so many contradictory statements from her? WHY DIDN'T TRISTA GET AYLA WHEN SHE LEFT REHAB IN EARLY NOVEMBER? WHY DID SHE WAIT UNTIL DECEMBER 15 TO SEEK CUSTODY IF SHE THOUGHT AYLA WAS IN DANGER?
Because Trista has said more then once that she thought Ayla was safe with Justin.
"I never went to get her because I thought she was OK and well cared for.”
Sorry for the caps, Dee. I'm certainly not "yelling" at you! Just generally frustrated with this whole case as we sail through month 10 with no foreseeable end in sight.
PS Dee...I also think Trista is full of shit about last speaking with Ayla on December 8. JMO.
DeleteMK do you know the family and base your comments on what you know of them personally? Or are you drawing conclusions about their behavior based on what you've read?
DeleteI sure hope you are right about Lance eventually doing the right thing, but it's been 10 months and he hasn't so far.
You know whagt is interesting.....Phoebe says--I would give everything I owned to have her back...YET..NO REWARD OFFERED by her to bring her GD home safely from Justins kidnapper. She owns a home and a property in Rangely she could get a second mortgage/home equity line to offer a reward, but nothing. The businesses offered one but not the family WHO LOST HER. very interesting.
Deleteso phoebes words were like farts in the wind..........
From the same article:
ReplyDelete"Reynolds declined to say when she will take a polygraph test because she didn’t want to create expectations among the public in case for some reason it doesn’t happen as scheduled. She also said she doesn’t want to interfere in the investigative process.
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Sounds like Trista knew in advance she wasn't going to complete the test. Also, how does taking a poly interfere in the investigative process?????
"Asked Monday why DiPietro was given a polygraph test weeks ago while Reynolds’ is just now being arranged, McCausland would not comment.
“Those are investigative details we’re just not getting into,” he said.
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What??????????????
mckeekitty, "sounds like" . . . . sounds like you are putting things out there that you have no proof of? I thought you didn't do that?
ReplyDeleteI should have stated "sounds like to me"...
DeletePeople do realize that polygraphs are completely on a volunteer basis right? I find it interesting that Justin and everyone in his family volunteered to take one and Trista and her mother although they volunteered were not able to complete one. And Trista said she would go back and take another but apparently never has.
DeleteKM, it's also interesting, as mckee pointed out above, Trista didn't arrange for a poly until weeks after Justin took his.
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DeleteI agree
I have always thought that if Ayla was actually "kidnapped" that Selena could be a possible suspect. . . .
ReplyDeleteOT...Austin Reed Sigg is clearly a monster, but Sarah and Rachel should be ashamed of themselves:
ReplyDeleteWESTMINSTER - The teen arrested on accusations he murdered 10-year-old Jessica Ridgeway was bullied in school, according to classmates.
Sarah Moravec, a Standley Lake High School senior, says she picked on 17-year-old Austin Sigg nearly every day for having a high-pitched voice.
"I picked on him a lot," Moravec said. "Austin was just different. So, why not pick on the different people? But then again, I was bullied whenever I was younger."
The Standley Lake senior said Sigg often wore dark clothing and hung out at the back of the cafeteria with others.
"We didn't even think he was somebody our age," Moravec said. "We thought it was some 45-year-old pervert or something like that."
Rachel Bradley said she also picked on Sigg at school.
"He was different," Bradley said. "A lot of people picked on him. He had a really high voice."
I hope someone picks on these 2 girls with a fist to the mouth.
DeleteThe horrible time that boy must have gone through (not that that's any excuse for killing someone). The most unfortunate part of it is that he must have killed Jessica to make people see that he wasn't that weirdo kid that all the other kids picked on...IMO he did it to "show them"
DeleteThose girls AND their families should be ashamed
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While I despise bullying, it's up to the bullied person how they respond to it. 3 recent publicized cases: Jillian Jensen who auditioned on XFactor (impressing the audience and judges, including Demi Lovato who had also been a bullied teen); Amanda Todd, who committed suicide; and Sigg, who brutally murdered an innocent 10 year old girl.
DeleteMA has adopted a strict "no bullying" policy following the suicides of two bullied children. Depending on the severity of the bullying, expulsion is a viable option.
DeleteI think Little Miss Sarah and Little Miss Rachel should have their recent media remarks re: Siggy slipped into their high school transcript files. Good luck with the college tour, girls.
What bothers me most is these girls don't even seem to see with the benefit of hindsight how wrong they were to bully. Or to take any responsibility for potentially contributing to driving Sigg over the edge which you would think a person of conscience would worry about whether it happened or not.
DeleteI agree, Sad.
DeleteHonestly, I'm shocked that Channel 9 out of Denver even ran this piece...it just serves to further taunt and bully Austin Reed Sigg from behind bars. Needless and unkind.
If there is a silver-lining in running the piece, at least Rachel and Sarah have been exposed for the assholes that they truly are.
No matter how you cut it...Austin is responsible for his actions. It was a brutal and grisly murder of an innocent girl just going to school, and an attempted attack on a jogger back in May.
Why would she do it? and she DID SAY, you could sneak in and out, and the basement is soundproof and she cut her foot on a box in the basement, so what? did she do it to set up Pheebs because she cut her out of her life over a man? or because Phoebe stole her inhieritance and got the digs in rangely ? was this payback is a bitch between the two women? but selena didnt know her sister was going to be away for the night did she?
ReplyDeleteIt is weird how he NEVER met Ayla, or so she SAID. AND has been estranged from her kin for a long time, yet she has been leading the charge with her spins and twirls and made up cock-amamee scenarious right out of a jelly belly jingle. She cant be bothered with her fam until the MEDIA SPOTLIGHT IS ON FULL GLARE. Is she fighting off guilty-by-association- disease or is she guilty of something. She doesnt seem to be fully welcomed or TRUSTED by Phoebe, wonder why? Maybe selena is the toxic sister that could....
maybe selena was hoping to gleen the truth so she could cash in? to stick it to her sister once again.
she doesnt know pheebsie, justin or Li anymore and NEVER knew Ayla. 20 mins away and no invites to dinner or xmas or thanksgiving, no get togethers for the kids/cousins to hang out. hmmm interesting.....
It's not weird that she never met Ayla - most of us talking here never met Ayla. Selena also has not been "leading the charge." We'd have to start looking at Tori, Jeff and JohnP if that was criteria for guilt.
Deleteshe is family, we are not. yes it's weird she feels compelled to use so much energy talking about someone she never bothered to meet. she lives 20 mins from Pheebs.has she ever met gabby before this whole mess justin created blew up?
DeleteSelena explained her estrangement from the family I believe here on this blog. You would have to go back and look at past blogs to find it though.
DeleteBut I agree with space not any weirder than others especially Jeff, Ron and Becca... Apparently Jeff had no relationship with Ayla before she went missing. Ron would not allow Trista to even enter his home because his wife Frankie did not allow it. And Becca and Trista barely got along she states to this day that it is her sister who raised her not her mother. So I guess if one is weird the other is weirder.
I don't understand why people question anything that Trista or Justin say. And by that I mean everybody is so quick to say what they would do in this situation but you really don't know unless it happens. And everyone is so quick to judge how people act in this situation as if it's something that happens all the time. It's ridiculous and ignorant. Get a life.
ReplyDeletedoes selena look like phoebe? anyone??
ReplyDeletefrom pictures I've seen online I don't see much resemblance
Deletethey are half sisters I think, there may have been abuse in the family and foster care along the way.
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DeleteReally??? Never heard that before.
I am basing this on the fact that selena has stated she had abusive bf's or hubby's. people who are abused as children teld to gravitate towards abusive men in adulthood, because that is their normal. not always, but often. the foster care comment stems from the fact that according to the land documents I saw Phoebe was gifted/inheirited the rangely property from the Bickford family. wonder if selena was pissed about this? she had to live in her sisters basement where she was cutting her feet on the floor, hiding out from a monster man, and her sister owned 2 places.Selena said her abusive hubby was a drunk. non drinkers rarely end up with DRINKERS. just saying....
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DeleteThat is a lot of assumptions.
not really.
ReplyDeleteNot at all.
DeleteTO ALL INTERESTED. PHOEBE TOOK AYLA.
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