Way OT: The latest computer models have Hurricane Sandy coming off as a real bitch. For those here on the East Coast, best get prepared now. Remember your neighbors, especially the elderly.
Please don't ridicule this public service announcement. Just want to spread awareness.
Mckee - I've seen you say you're in MA. I'm in CT, right on the coast. I might not get on this weekend as I'll be battening down the hatches so I just wanted to say take care and be safe. It looks like we're in for a good "blow" as we New Englander's call it. With Irene we had no power for over a week and this one looks way worse. It won't matter how far inland you are with this storm, it's huge area wise. They're saying as far west as Pittsburgh and Buffalo will feel it. Everyone from the mid-atlantic all the way up the coast to ME, good luck and keep safe.
We are keeping our eye on the storm. Of course, anything can change between now and when it gets to this area. So, it's good to watch the news and hopefully, be prepared. Hoping it turns and goes out to sea. - KJ
Phoebe isn’t talking because the last time she opened her mouth, she put eight feet in it. Her’s, Justin’s, Elisha’, and Courtney’s. She started the silence ball rolling. It’s debatable whether or not they would have remained so mum if she hadn’t royally screwed up during that CNN interview. They saw first-hand what kind of backlash it created and realized that the public was hanging on their every word.
Justin only talks in generalities. He “doesn’t know.” He can’t say anything right now because “it’s not the right time.” When asked a direct question, he responds with an answer that doesn’t address the question, but evades it. I can’t think of the interview right now, but there was one in particular where he was asked a very specific question that would have required a very specific answer, but what he responded with was completely off topic. It was very disappointing and bolsters fears that he is indeed involved in something other than a simple “kidnapping.”
Elisha… The biggest thing we’ve heard from her is that one of the investigators she spoke with told her that they think she is telling the truth. I remember watching hours of Casey Anthony interviews and saw the same technique. Initially, law enforcement personnel coaxed her into a false sense of security. Sure Casey, we believe you. Tell us more. (Sink yourself) Uhuh, uhuh. So it was Zanny? Go on… Elisha wants us to believe that she’s telling the whole truth and nothing but the whole truth based on her statement that one of the investigators she spoke with said during an interview that they told her that they thought she was telling the truth. Is she trying to convince herself?
Courtney has been rumored to have authored or at least given the inspiration for some blog posts that were written describing events leading up the 911 call. She has appeared on some social networking pages. But beyond that, she has said nothing in her own defense. Nothing in Justin’s defense. Nothing in Elisha’s or Lance’s or Phoebe’s defense.
And I think this is the most important part of this silence. They appear to be deliberately avoiding defending themselves. Not that they have to necessarily, but if you have nothing to hide, why not clarify certain things so that your public opinion meter rises up a little bit. People who are innocent shout it from the rooftops. They don’t avoid this, they can’t help but do it. Who wants to sit back and accept it? No one.
A person’s first reaction, when they are innocent, is to speak up. It’s human nature. Almost instinctive.
We don’t hide in the shadows and hope that alternative conclusions are come up with. Nor do we allow others to do the talking for us. When we let others be our mouthpieces, the only thing to gain is that if something is misstated, we can then claim that those weren’t our words.
Just wanted to put a disclaimer on this post...I am the Dee who has been posting here recently, mostly speaking with mckee, and the above post is not mine. There must be two of us now. I do agree with some of it but it is not my post.
Residents say accused killer of Autumn Pasquale attended vigil, 'liked' memorial Facebook page
CLAYTON — In the days leading up to the discovery of her body in a trash can behind his house, Justin Robinson took more than a passing interest in the search for 12-year-old Autumn Pasquale, residents in his Gloucester County neighborhood say.
On Sunday night, he attended a candlelight vigil where hundreds of residents prayed for Autumn’s safe return, several Clayton residents said. Later on, they said, the 15-year-old apparently "liked" a Facebook page dedicated to the rescue effort. And just hours before Autumn’s body was found late Monday, Robinson apparently posted a single name on the Facebook wall of the girl’s older brother.
"Autumn," was all he wrote.
"What bout her?" A.J. Pasquale asked.
"why post her name then nothing else?" added a woman who called herself "Ann Rush."
In response, Robinson then wrote: "It was an accident the cop waz here & my brother did it," according to a copy of the Facebook post.
It remains unclear whether Robinson was referring to the word "autumn" he posted on Pasquale’s wall or, more chillingly, the crime itself.
A spokesman for the Gloucester County Prosecutor’s Office said Thursday the office would not comment on any of the Facebook posts, though Prosecutor Sean Dalton said earlier this week that information from Facebook helped point investigators toward the alleged killers.
Justin Robinson and his 17-year-old brother, Donte, were arrested Tuesday and charged with murder, conspiracy to commit murder, tampering with evidence, improperly disposing of a body and theft in connection with Autumn’s death.
Several residents who know the Pasquale and Robinson families said Justin was seen at some events related to the search for Autumn and was discussing the search on Facebook.
Crystal Seitz, 17, and Nicole Trischitta, 18, students at Clayton High School, said the younger Robinson also participated in a discussion on A.J. Pasquale’s Facebook wall about the search.
Seitz said the Facebook postings have have been a topic of conversation at Clayton High School all week.
A memorial to Autumn Pasquale near the site where her body was found in Clayton.
"So many people have taken pictures of it on Instagram," she said. "I thought it was weird. I think it was really creepy."
On Wednesday, The Star-Ledger published a Facebook conversation in which Justin Robinson invited Autumn to his house on Oct. 16 to see a bike, days before she disappeared.
The Robinson brothers are scheduled to appear in court today for a hearing to decide whether they will remain at the Camden County Youth House.
Jason Green, a 20-year-old Glassboro man who said he was involved in the search for Autumn, also said Justin was acting strange in the days before police found the girl’s body.
Green claims he saw Justin laugh during Sunday night’s vigil.
"It’s creepy and upsetting," Green said.
Seitz, whose brother was friends with Justin, said the 15-year-old was regularly disciplined for disruptive behavior at Clayton High School. He was often "disrespectful" when he visited the Seitz household, she said.
"It was sickening to think that he’d been in my house," Seitz said.
Funeral services for Autumn are scheduled for Saturday.
no shit. she wasnt supposed to be on FB either, you have to be 14. all the kids have phones and ipods.the murderer tried to sell her iphone too. all these kids are from broken homes. so sad.
i honestly can't feel bad for the parents in this situation. they clearly were not the parents of the year or their child would not have been on facebook, with a phone, taking pictures of herself, having a bf, etc
Anon - that's utter BULLSHIT, a lot of kids that age do stuff like that now, are parents only permitted to grieve if they lose a child they keep in a closet until they are old enough to take care of themselves? The families knew each other from the town, not through facebook. It seems from what's been released that they intended to murder her and steal her bicycle. Maybe parents should allow kids to ride their bikes anymore either, or walk 2 blocks to meet friends to go to school, or have a nanny...
Such harsh judgement on a deceased child and her family. Autumn shouldn't have been on FB? She shouldn't have had a cell phone? She shouldn't have had a "boyfriend"?
Guess she "had it coming", huh?
According to the Star Ledger, Autumn was a brilliant straight-A student.
She shouldn't have been murdered over a fucking bicycle.
Well, it's like those people who say that some women are asking to be raped because they are wearing mini skirts. As oneannon says the only people responsible are the ones who did the crime
Mckeekitty is getting very scary.spends all day on the comp with her ear glued to her scanner. It's a sad existance really. I just wish she wouldn't try and contact me personally so much.
"why no reward from gammie10/25/12 7:51 PM You know whagt is interesting.....Phoebe says--I would give everything I owned to have her back...YET..NO REWARD OFFERED by her to bring her GD home safely from Justins kidnapper. She owns a home and a property in Rangely she could get a second mortgage/home equity line to offer a reward, but nothing. The businesses offered one but not the family WHO LOST HER. very interesting.
so phoebes words were like farts in the wind.........."
Why no, That is an interesting observation.
Just my what if, IF the DiPietro family believes Ayla was abducted by strangers, why no public plea to the abductors? Or as you stated, why not offer your own reward for her safe return?
If the DiPietro family believe they know (or suspect) "who" took Ayla, have they given those names to the LE? If those people have been checked out by LE and shown not to have abducted Ayla? If so, then why would one not go back to thinking it was a stranger and offering public pleas and a reward from the family?
While the reward is nice, I personally feel the lack of public pleas to the stranger abductor is the most telling. I'm not saying that the family is right or wrong to do or not do anything, all I am saying is that we all judge behavior based on our experiences and to me, lack of a plea to the abductor seems strange (in this case).
While the police did all the forensics on the Violette Ave home, did they find any evidence that a stranger had been in the home? Wouldn't it be nice to see all the evidence the LE holds?
re: "I personally feel the lack of public pleas to the stranger abductor is the most telling. I'm not saying that the family is right or wrong to do or not do anything, all I am saying is that we all judge behavior based on our experiences and to me, lack of a plea to the abductor seems strange (in this case)."
I believe both Justin and Phoebe issued a plea in the beginning. I don't recall any plea to a kidnapper from Trista or any member of her family. Clearly there's a mix of personalities and a lot of dynamics and history we likely don't have a true grasp of.
Space... "a mix of personalities and a lot of dynamics.." Absolutely! While I commented above regarding Justin and the DiPietro family, I am equally puzzled by behaviors of Trista and her family. If there is one thing I have learned over the past 10 months, both families have problems and issues that may or may not have directly led to Ayla's disappearance.
I'm would also be surprised at the lack of pleas (to the abductor) on Trista and her families part as well, but it's quite well known that they believe Ayla is deceased and that someone in the DiPietro home is responsible.
Regardless of all of that, there is one sure truth... there is a lot of lying going on IMO. - KJ
KJ - there may be 2 families that have suspected the other from the beginning, within those 2 families there may be one or more people lying - I was thinking of the first days, when less information was out there (not that there's a lot now) - Trista said she didn't think Ayla was harmed in the beginning, but still no plea for her safe return - again, in the beginning, no talk of how much she loves Ayla, how she is special, etc. - (in the Nancy Grace interviews and the Today Show) - it seemed more like a showdown. It's all very strange.
"Regardless of all of that, there is one sure truth... there is a lot of lying going on IMO. - KJ"
Yep, I agree KJ. From both sides. And it's strange and disappointing when there is a precious little girl missing in the midst of all this he said/she said crap.
justin said''she thinks it's a game'' I think HE thinks it's some kind of game of hide the baby from her mama because the kid is his property and the bitch had the nerve to have the baby after he ordered her to abort.
"the space between10/24/12 11:03 PM KM - I don't know if the blood on the sheets is true, but if it is it would be VERY likely that it went through onto the mattress. I remember someone said LE removed a mattress from the home, I don't remember who said it or if that source was credible. I know some of Justin's supporters say Trista lied about her blood being there; however, that "knowledge" (?) has allowed me to feel that some of the blood LE may have originally thought was Ayla's was actually Trista's - and therefore, Ayla didn't lose as much blood as they initially thought. I resist being disabused of this notion. :( "
Space... my understanding from what I read was that Trista's dna was found on the sheets, somewhere this got stated as 'blood' and then it seemed to become Trista must have been at the Waterville house. The sheets were brought to the Waterville house from the apartment in Portland where Justin lived. It's not known if the sheets were washed prior to transport, or if dna remained after washing. It's known that Trista and Justin had sex in Portland, the dna was brought to Waterville in the sheets. Vaginal secretions, sweat and saliva all contain dna, so it was not necessarily Trista's blood that was on the bedding. I tried to find the news report of Trista's dna being found, but have not as yet. I will try to find that. But I am pretty sure the LE did not say it was blood. - KJ
KJ - thanks - I don't think there was ever mention of Trista's dna in the news - the only thing I saw about it was wordman's post on J4A - he said that Trista said it was blood
I agrre with Space, I've never seen or heard mention of Trista's DNA or blood from LE. The only thing I've ever read about it was from the post by wordman, (Stand by Your Man) and he did say blood.
"But now investigators have verified to Trista that her blood was identified on Justin’s sheets that he travelled with from Portland.",
Thank you Space and S, I thought I saw that in the paper, but I guess not. Frankly, I don't trust anything that supposedly came from Trista to someone else who posts it. That's part of the problem with trying to figure out what is what in this case, too much information coming in second, third and forth hand or more. - KJ
"Frankly, I don't trust anything that supposedly came from Trista to someone else who posts it. That's part of the problem with trying to figure out what is what in this case, too much information coming in second, third and forth hand or more." ________________________________
Good to see you, KJ.
I totally agree with your comment. So many of the critical details spring from a single source...Jeff's blogs.
how does it work? police tell trista-she tells becca-becca tells jeff-jeff spins it and releases it to tori or john to post under some freak named worm man.sounds really trustworthy.
You asked me in the previous thread if I would pass well wishes along to Selena if I see her. And I will be glad to pass the message along although I do not see her personally. But I did want to mention that the "ok will do" message was not from me. And thanks to everyone else for their previous well wishes I did in fact pass those along as well. I am sure Selena appreciates them!
what a hag. you dont even know this woman but that doesnt stop you from trying to look relevant and pretending to pass along a msg. how far can your meddling go? you dont know jack, lady. jack.you are no friend to ayla.
I am going to ask my son, he is going to ask Justin, Justin is going to ask Li, and Li is going to ask Phoebe who will try to ask her nephew in Augusta for her direct cell number.
anon - S specifically asked Heidi if she would pass along a message and Heidi agreed to do so "although she does not see her personally" - that's hardly "meddling" or "trying to look relevant."
Heidi, some people have to find ulterior motives behind anything you do, because you support your friends - likely they know they, themselves, would not have the unselfish courage or heart to stand up as you have.
tell us more about your impressive mansion overlooking the river.oh, and if there is any space left over maybe you can squeeze something about a helpless missing baby named AYLA. you are a shameful, self serving attention whore. that's my opinion and there is nothing you can do about it.
HT - Heidi didn't say anything about her house, Ben McCanna did that. Call him on the phone and ask him directly where that came from. Ask him if he or Heidi wrote that piece. Kadoe was able to reach him by phone, I'm sure you can also.
I've already spoken to him. He said Heidi went into great detail about the house and wanted it in the piece. she also signed off on the article that the info was accurate. If Heidi has a problem with what was printed she would speak up doncha think, her mouth is bigger than the Kennebec not to mention her ego. She took an opportunity for AYLA and turned it into her own 'look at me' elitist propaganda bullshit.
Anonymous you really are something. I have no problem with MY words in the article that was written but I was not in charge of how Ben wrote his article or how an editor edited it nor did I sign off on that. That is just silly. I do find it interesting when people such as yourself resort to blatant lies and impersonating others to try and twist facts. Why is that? PS Details of my home were Ben's words not mine. Although that too I think is silly and trivial that people are focusing on that. If it makes you feel better someday I will sell this home . Because that is all it is to me just a home. For some reason it seems to be bothersome to others and be more than that. And you are right Anon I can not change what you think about me. Believe it or not I am okay with that. But if you want to write lies how about you use your name instead of hiding behind Anonymous.
Heidi, anonymous is just jealous because she lives in a trailer and has spent her pathetic life on welfare so she could never afford a nice home. She likes to put down people who have worked hard for what they have because she is incapable of doing the same thing. Ignore the trolls.
Susan: In her first television interview. the missing child’s grandmother, Phoebe DiPietro says she’s living a nightmare.
Phoebe: You’re waiting for a phone call, hoping the police have your granddaughter.
Susan: But so far that phone call hasn’t come; not a single word about what happened to Ayla Reynolds. The toddler, who now would be 21-months-old, shown in this video that was shot last fall, disappeared in the middle of the night, a week before Christmas.
Phoebe: She’s quiet, very sweet. Her eyes, she’s got the bluest eyes, the longest eyelashes.
Susan: DiPietro says Ayla’s father, Justin, put her to bed around 8 o’clock. The next day, before 9:00am, he called police to report her gone.
Susan: There’s no accident that could have happened that night?
Phoebe: No
Susan: Among anyone here?
Phoebe: No
Susan: You, Justin
Phoebe: No. No.
Susan: The other people that were here?
Phoebe: No. No.
Susan: Something covered up?
Phoebe: No. No.
Susan: What other adults were there, exactly what happened that night, or whether anyone checked on Ayla, police won’t say, nor will DiPietro. She said investigators warned her against jeopardizing the case.
Phoebe: I can tell you there was not a party here at the house.
Susan: People had dinner? Watched television? Eventually went to bed?
Phoebe: (Nods affirmatively) Pretty much, um ya, I really have to avoid that question.
Susan: You didn’t hear any noise?
Phoebe: I did not hear a thing (maybe anything).
Susan: When you found out that she wasn’t here, what did you think?
Phoebe: I thought that I did not want my son to go get any of his friends and go kicking in doors looking for her.
Susan: I take it you don’t think some stranger walked in off the street and did this.
Phoebe: (Shakes head negatively and sighs) It is a very creepy feeling to think that somebody had been casing your house. That they had been watching the families activities.
Susan: After Ayla vanished, her grandmother told detectives, some things around the house didn’t look the same.
Phoebe: Some oddities that I had noticed and we told law enforcement what those were.
Susan: She would not reveal them to us. Without a search warrant, Ayla’s grandmother allowed police to turn her house upside down for about two weeks because she says she has nothing to hide.
Phoebe: I would give everything I own to have her back
Susan: Ayla’s parents never married and live apart. The child’s mother, who spent time in rehab, her family says, questions whether Justin mistreated Ayla. Suspicious about a soft-cast she had on her left arm teh night she went missing. Justin’s mother says she was home when her son tripped while carrying Ayla into the house. In other words: an accident.
Phoebe: Justin is a great dad. He truly, truly is and I know he loves Ayla.
Susan: This sparkling red dress and books are among Ayla’s Christmas gifts never wrapped.
Phoebe: I have to believe she’s okay
Susan: Do you have anything to say for whoever took Ayla?
Phoebe: Please bring her back, please. Bring her back.
Pinnochio,Thank you for the transcript looking back on this particular interview It does tell Pheobe's lie but it also states some other key points to me that some people including me looked over, like her stating the things moved and the weird someones casing the house stuff. If that is indeed true and not also made up then it's worth looking at. LE hasn't given us much to work with and I think maybe pheobe's one lie made it look bad for the rest of them.But she did indeed plea for whoever took her to bring her back. After reading this a couple times I get a feeling if Ayla was kidnapped and indeed alive somewhere that Justin and his family have suspisions as to who and I mean outside of the Reynolds family. Trista isn't a saint but they don't have a real clue where she is. LE has made them think Ayla is dead and took away alot of hope for them.
Ashley, if you have the time and inclination, you might find it interesting to go back and watch the interviews again. It's nice to have the transcripts, but a lot is missed when we're just reading the words. The interviews I'm thinking of specifically are Phoebe's with CNN, Justin's with the Today Show and his 2nd one with (I think) NECN (or a similar name, I had a hard time finding it) and Trista twice on Nancy Grace and once on the Today Show.
Why can’t we discount the blood evidence and the comments being said about it? Simple. Because if Maine State Police knew that this information was completely false, they most likely would have had a press conference denying it by now. They have been quick to shoot down other things that they disagreed with. Why not this too? If they know that what Jeff Hanson is putting out there on the web to be misleading, false, exaggerated, they would need to put a stop to it and clarify it because this case is still in the process of being built. They can’t have a jury pool contaminated with evidence that isn’t truly evidence. This would not allow for anyone to have a fair trial if that is what this comes down to. And, to imagine that state police are deliberately allowing only false information to circulate that implicates Justin is hard to believe. I would think that this would open them up to all kinds of lawsuits.
Space, I believe that was stated somewhere. Even so, I believe it is common practice in investigations for LE to not confirm or deny what others say. Even denying information tells people something they may not want known. It's a slippery slope to confirm or deny what others are saying. - KJ
"Waterville, Maine (NEWS CENTER) -- A Boston television station is reporting tonight that investigators now believe that missing toddler Ayla Reynolds is dead.
However, Maine Public Safety spokesperson Steve McCausland says that report is completely untrue. When asked about the story by NEWS CENTER, McCausland said, "it is unattributed, irresponsible, and inaccurate." We also spoke with Trista Reynolds's stepfather Jeff Hanson who said police had not notified him or Trista that there was any change in the status of the investigation."
The reason police denied this report was because the report claimed that "investigators now believe that missing toddler Ayla Reynolds is dead." Of course they would deny something that wrongly reported about themselves.
If Trista had said "Ayla is dead", I would expect that the LE would neither confirm or deny. But this reporter was claiming that the investigators were saying that. - KJ
but didnt trista state that investigators said that more than a cupful of aylas blood was found. they didnt deny her statement. that's a HUGE CLAIM for her to repeat.
I believe that via Jeff's blog, it was claimed that investigators told Trista that the blood amount was more than a cupful. Since that information, supposedly came from Trista and not the LE, it would be neither confirmed or denied. That is a huge claim and people are free to believe whatever they will from the LE neither confirming or denying. Trista, telling someone else that the police said this or that and that other person posting it in a blog, is quite different than a news article claiming that investigators directly said they "believe Ayla IS dead". IMO - KJ
In Augusta, before the Vigil (1/28/12), MSP told Trista and Becky (I was not in the room) that Justin had told them that the blood in question was caused by a cut on Ayla's foot and that "it was more than a small cut would produce".
After the Vigil (when I was with Becky and Trista) MSP reiterated for me about the small cut. When I asked how much more one of the State Investigators replied "more than a cupful".
I call the cupful statement total bullshit. First of all spill a cup of water on the floor, that is a huge area it will cover. Any reputable investigator would not describe it that way they may say a significant amount if they said anything. Then I say why would LE who has kept everything so quiet then say they found some samples and some were Ayla's but more testing needs to be done. Why would they not say we found a area that contained a significant amount of Ayla's blood?
Looking...I agree. "More than a cupful" is a crass and offensive statement coming from the mouth of an investigator to Ayla's family. "Significant" would have fit the bill...that is, if this exchange ever took place.
As much as I distrust information coming from Jeff, I think a conversation concerning the amount of Ayla's blood found may have taken place. However, I'm sure the full context wasn't revealed.
This conversation was suppose to have taken place after the vigil on Jan. 28, where Trista spent the afternoon with Justin. Was it said to guage a reaction? Or perhaps some type of information?
If the "more than a cupful" was said by an investigator, it had to pertain to what was revealed with luminol. Was what had been revealed with luminol over the entire house, or just in the basement? We don't know. Was what was revealed, all blood, or/ and other substances. Was it all Ayla's blood? Could some of it be old blood from someone else?
Had the testing been completed on the luminol samples at that time? I don't think so. (by the Jan. 28 vigil) I believe at that time McCausland stated that *some* blood found had been Ayla's, but more testing had to be done.
So the "more than a cupful" could have been said to Jeff, but without knowing the context, I don't consider it a reliable fact at all.
there is test to determine hemoglobin,this seperates blood from other chemicals, then the samples are sent for dna testing. the dna matched ayla's. I am sure several areas of the blood spill were tested. the blood was found in the basemnet next to justins bed. I originally though , hey maybe she fell offor was knocked/kicked off the bed and hit her head open on the cement floor. then we hear he was sleeping on a matress on the floor.......
so what ever injury she suffered appears to be intentional AND severe.
police are not going to make an issue of a few droplets of blood. GET FUCKING SERIOUS. the blood was substantial and was instrumental to her fate.
The police said the amount of blood found was troubling. The police said some of the blood was Ayla's. What they have not done is put the two together. They have not come back and said after testing that the troubling amount of blood they found was all Ayla's or that a lot of it was. They have never confirmed that they told Trista a cupful of blood. Trista has said she can say whatever she wants. They have not or did not confirm the amount of blood they found that was troubling was Ayla's. It very well could be that they found a small amount of Ayla's blood and an amount more that was troubling to them that turned out not to be hers. It could have belonged to several people from over the years even. These are the things we don't know and that LE is not telling us and won't because to do so would let people involved know too much information. They may have needed to use these tactics to try and feel the people involved out to gauge their reactions. And to then turn around and explain it to the public would be to show their hand too early.
get real! why would they be troubled by anyone elses blood BUT AYLAS'S, she is the one missing, the press conference was ABOUT AYLA.The rest of the jackals in that house weren't injured or missing.
jeezz, with all the blood samples in that basement you'd think those people were performing human rituals or sacrificing animals or slaughtering their own chickens for dinner. whats next, Justin is going to come clean and admit he skinned a deer down there ?
maybe phoebe sent her somewhere to protect her from justin who was always injuring the poor babe.
"The police said the amount of blood found was troubling"
Actually that is incorrect. S.McCausland, spokesman for MSP said...from the Boston Globe,.. that the *discovery of blood was troubling*, not the amount.
Boston Globe...The blood was found in the basement early in the investigation into Ayla Reynolds’ disappearance.
McCausland called the discovery of the blood ‘‘troubling.’’
And Anonymous 12:37 I imagine the police might be troubled by blood being found in general until they determined who it all belonged to. What part of this are you not getting? They could have found any amount of blood and not known who's it was. Some of it could have been Ayla's some of it could have belonged to one or another person or many other people from many years past. That is how luminol testing works. And LE did say testing was still under way for some time so at the time they may not have had answers as to who all the blood samples belonged to. How old it all was... But yes it could have been troubling just trying to figure it all out.
Finding ANY amount of a missing person's blood would IN FACT be troubling.
The point of this is what?
The POLICE have not verified the amount of blood. It can range anywhere from a few drops to a cup. Unless you have independent verification, or a link, you're wasting your breath.
oh, and Bonnie---are you also troubled by the fact that Trista's blood was found there? The only conclusion we can jump to is that Trista is also dead at the hands of Justin and will never be found...
Hi Obscure, this "Bonnie10/28/12 4:27 PM why would the discovery of blood be troubling if it was a small amt? IT. WOULDN'T" This is not my comment, it's someone who stole my name. If it continues, I guess I will just have to choose another name
The MSP answer: “We can’t get into that, but some of it was Ayla’s.”
The Reynold’s family answers: “We were told before the vigil that it was ‘more than a small cut would produce’ and after the same vigil that it was ‘more than a cupful’.”
Justin answers: “I don’t know.”
Phoebe, Elisha, and Courtney answer: Well, they didn’t actually.
When NOT asked, Heidi Tudela answers: “Three small dots.”
This is a perfect example of deliberately not answering something that is of great importance because any answer given is going to create more answers or back you into a corner.
If Justin were to answer: “They told me it was more than a cupful.” The next logical question would be: “How do you explain that?”
Well, he can’t. Because if this is truly the case, the answer will implicate him in something that he is desperately trying to remain clear of.
anon - if it is actually "more than a cupful" it doesn't matter if Justin says that to the media, the questioning would still be happening between LE and Justin - LE will still be asking him "how do you explain that?" regardless of what is revealed or not to the public
Or Justin just didn't know the answer. Police after all had just spoken to Trista right before the vigil correct and told her the information supposedly? So maybe they had not told him their findings yet. And all they had shown him so far was the photo he had seen early on as he had claimed. So when Trista told him about it he was clueless. Then the reporter asks him about it and his answer is " I don't know." JMO
He was NOT CLUELESS. the blood was found next to HIS BED. give me a fuckin break. ...he was shown the pictures of the blood lit up by luminol, but he already knew where it came from. he just didnt want to answer Trista because he is a coward weenie little boy.
You are clueless. Where did you hear blood was found by his bed? On Jeff's web sight? Or from LE? And that is exactly right being shown blood lit up by luminol means it was not visible to the human eye. And he was shown it at the police station correct? So that must mean he was shown a photo of it.
Trista and Jeff learn about "more than a cupful of blood" from MSP at the January 28 vigil, right? Trista gives an interview five days later to WCSH6 Portland on February 2. Here's what she has to say:
Reynolds said she's not pushing DiPietro for answers. She's letting the police do that. "Maine State Police have it in their hands," she said. "I will not question, I will not blame, and I will not point fingers." In fact, Reynolds and DiPietro seemed friendly at a vigil for Ayla this weekend.
Reynolds said, "I don't understand what the big deal is, why everybody is making such a big deal about Justin and I being at Ayla's balloon event and suppprting her as Mom and Dad. We are friends. We've been friends. We just don't see eye to eye sometimes. But what parent doesn't? But we're still Mommy and Daddy to her. And we were supporting Ayla together."
"He is the only one who knows what I'm going through. He's going through the same exact thing that I'm going through, missing his daughter. We're missing our daughter right now. If it's anybody who knows, he knows that I'm going through on the inside every single day."
Ill say it again, she used that child to get her grips into Justin, she cared more about having Justin by her side, even after she was told a bucket of her babys blood was splashed all over his floor, than she was concerned something fatal may have happened to ayla. EVEN IF trista finds out he hacked her up with a chainsaw, she will still be goo goo eyes over this scuzbucket. she is one of those PATHETIC WOMEN. she left ayla up in wtvl, even after she said he was beating her, in hopes he would bond with ayla and would be her man. pathetic. she threw that baby under the bus.
What I don't understand is that Trista came out swinging at Justin from Jump Street. She didn't plead to the abductor...she was just out to demonize Justin to the world. She talks of injuries to Ayla, Justin's vindictiveness and verbal violence, Justin's control, Justin's refusal to put Ayla on the phone, etc...
So days after learning that "more than a cupful" of her daughter's blood is dicovered, Trista says "we're friends" and that only Justin knows what she's going through?
Is this what bi-polar looks like? Serious question.
mckeekitty... yes, that is what bipolar looks like, along with very high highs and very low lows. Someone who is bipolar, may want at one moment to do nothing but stay in bed all day and in the next, they are the social butterfly of the world! Just my observations from people I know who are bipolar. - KJ
Here is something that is bothering me about this case. It is about Ayla's description of the cast on her arm. If you go back to the very beginning, one of the first reports at the 24 hour mark the description was Her left arm is in a sling and soft splint.
December 17 http://www.pressherald.com/news/Waterville-toddler-missing.html
“We’re approaching almost 24 hours and no one knows where a 20-month little girl is and was last seen only in pajamas,” Police Chief Joseph Massey said. “It’s very concerning. We have not been able to locate her with a pretty intensive search of the area.” The child lives at 29 Violette Ave., off Cool Street. She was last seen wearing green, one-piece pajamas with polka dots and the words “Daddy’s Princess” on them. She is 2-feet 9-inches tall, and weighs approximately 30 pounds. Her left arm is in a sling and soft splint. She has short thin blond hair and blue eyes.
At this point at least for me I am keeping my eyes out for a little girl with a sling and some sort of cast on. Then in an interview on January 7 This is reported: January 7 http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/i-fell-on-herfather-says_2012-01-06.html Justin chose to see Dr. James Kuhn at MaineOrtho in Portland. "He looked over the X-rays, and said, 'I don't know what they told you initially, but this isn't as bad as they said,'" Justin recalled. "They just put a splint on there with an Ace bandage. She didn't even have a cast or a sling or anything like that." DiPietro said Ayla's arm was healing well in the days before she disappeared. "Her arm was to the point now, before all this happened, that she was lifting it up. She wasn't bending it, but she would take (the splint) off sometimes, and she was getting to the point where she was starting to use that arm again," he said.
This is 20 days later now we find out it was basically an ace wrap that she would take off by herself. To me this is a huge difference from what we initially heard. This I think served a huge injustice to finding Ayla. Also would it not have made more sense to release a picture of Ayla in he soft cast to see what she looked like with it rather than the initial picture on the missing posters with those sunglasses on. This is probably nothing but it is something that has bothered me and I was looking to see what others opinions on it were.
"Her arm was to the point now, before all this happened, that she was lifting it up"
this is an ODD statement added in
before ALL WHAT happened?
this TIME STAMPS HER TIME OF DEATH.
She was last seen wearing green, one-piece pajamas with polka dots and the words “Daddy’s Princess” on them.
She was never changed out of her PJ's on fri am or was changed into THESE SPECIFIC ONES TO MAKE A STATEMENT-POST DEATH, she was killed sometime after Phoebe and Elisha left for work/school, cold-stored in the shed and disposed of late fri evening when everyone was sleeping. he had to get rid of her pretty quick-the smell would start to perminate to the neighbors.he may or may have not have slipped Li and Court a mikey......he used courts car because hers was blocking his as it was parked behind it. he grabbed her keys while she slept. wonder if court noticed he forgot to reajust the seat back to her settings, BUT POLICE NOTICED HOW THE SEAT AND MIRROWS WERE SET FOR SOMEONE @6FT TALL.
courtney figured when she got her car back the cops fiddled with her settings. Justin used courts car implicating her in the crime, THAT is why she isnt talking.
PS-Courtneys car, a newer model has GPS built in. Police are searching in water because the GPS report from her car leads them to the rivers. she was dumped one river, her stuff dumped at another.
Getting closer to the truth, where do you get your information ? Regarding the gps leading to the rivers in Courtney's car, Ayla's body being stored in the shed, and the seats in courtney's car being adjusted to Justin's height (although it seems to me Courtney is tall too) ? Do you have inside information or are these things you said hypotheses ?
http://www.myspace.com/leerow3 her myspace page Details Status: Single Here for: Friends Orientation: Straight Height: 5' 4" Ethnicity: Black / African descent Religion: Christian - other Zodiac Sign: Libra Children: Proud parent Education: In college
Yes but I would like to know why getting closer to the truth states that Courtney's car was traced going to the rivers with the gps. Where does "getting closer to the truth"'s information comes from ? How does he know all that ? Or has he made it up ?
@closer to thruth: Is all of this you claim unreleased information "fact" or your opinion. The way it is written sounds like you state they are facts.... can you please clarify if this is YOUR OPINION or more.
There is a reason Closer is not answering. They know the only way to answer is to say that this is not fact but their theory made up in their head. Elisha was home Friday. Also their were other people who saw Ayla Friday. Doesn't fit Closer's theory. Also Courtney is and has talked extensively to the police same as the rest of the family. The only people she is not talking to are the media.
KM you are so full of bullshit. Courtney has lied extensively to the police, that is true and yes, Elisha was home later that day, helping to clean like a lunatic. Even Phoebe noticed the whole place was moved around from the cleaning activity. So thanks for letting us know for sure Elisha is in on the coverup, we all tried to give her the benefit of the doubt, but there is no doubt now!!!!
You are the one who is full of it. You have no idea if Courtney has lied. LE did not say she lied. You don't know know whether Elisha was home all day or not. And you are ignoring the fact that there were people who saw Ayla that day. But LE knows this. You can keep trying to spin your theories but that is all they are is your own theories.
“I just want the public to keep their eyes open and not close the book on this,” DiPietro said. “This isn’t anywhere near over. ... There’s not going to be any closure until Ayla comes home.”
DiPietro said there are good reasons to believe Ayla is with someone, but wouldn’t elaborate.
“When the time is right, everything is going to come out. And regardless of what law enforcement is saying or what (Ayla’s mother) Trista (Reynolds) is saying, this really isn’t the time to be saying anything. And law enforcement, they can say ‘We don’t believe they’re telling the truth,’ but there’s a big difference between fact and thinking something.”
DiPietro said he hopes that the person who took his daughter will send a signal out to the public that she’s alive. He also said he wishes the police could offer immunity to the kidnapper so Ayla can be returned.
December 31, 2011 Subpoena seeks to track author of 'Ayla' poem
Jones' poem was posted in pressherald.com's comment section under the pseudonym "Nomainer," following a story that appeared Monday. It read:
Away where no one can harm her again
Your life will be happy now
Loved by those that took you to safety
A new life far from the insanity in Maine
The letters that begin the poem's four lines spell "Ayla," Jones pointed out, an idea she got after receiving a poem from a pen pal.
The subpoena to The Press Herald called for the media company's representatives to appear before a grand jury in February with Jones's contact information. The subpoena did not indicate that any indictment is imminent, Stokes said
more http://www.pressherald.com/news/subpoena-seeks-to-track-author-of-ayla-poem_2011-12-31.html?searchterm=Ayla+Reynolds
asked for a polygraph on day one,” DiPietro said today during an interview with the Morning Sentinel. “I’ve taken one, and the results, I was never allowed to see them. It’s something you’re going to have to ask law enforcement about.”
DiPietro, 24, was told how he did on the test, Steve McCausland, spokesman for the Department of Public Safety, said. He said he was baffled by DiPietro’s statement that he didn’t know the results.
“He knows how he did, because we told him,” McCausland said. “To say that he didn’t know, is just not true.”
McCausland would not say how DiPietro did. “That is something I can’t get into,” he said.
DiPietro said, “I know I went in there and smoked it. I told the truth and that’s that.”
When asked if police told him the results, DiPietro said. “They can tell me whatever they want. Again, I didn’t physically see the results.”
When asked if police told him he failed the test, DiPietro said, “That’s all irrelevant. I wanted to see the results myself. They’re not letting me see them. Why don’t they let the public see them?”
McCausland said the polygraph exam results would be difficult to read without training.
“It’s lines on a paper, similar to an electrocardiogram report,” he said. “The polygraph operator knows the results, but there’s no transcript or written text that goes with it.
“It’s very simiilar to doctors interpreting an EKG. Polygraph operators work in a similar fashion.”
DiPietro said he took one polygraph exam, administered by a single detective.
DiPietro wouldn’t say what he was asked, but briefly described the equipment.
“You’ve got things on your fingers, you’ve got things across your chest,” he said.
He also sat on a seat pad that was part of the polygraph exam equipment, he said.
Asked if other family members had taken a polygraph exam, DiPietro said he was not sure.
“I just know about myself,” he said. “Again, anything (police have) asked us to do, we’ve cooperated. We’ve made ourselves available to them.
“Anytime they’ve had a question about something, if they want us to come to the station ... more than willing. We’re cooperating. There’s nothing to hide here.”
McCausland said Maine State Police have three or more polygraph operators and the tests are used for investigative purposes and for pre-employment screening for Maine law enforcement officers.
He said the test results cannot be used as evidence in court cases.
Also on Friday, DiPietro said there were three children and three adults in his mother’s home on Violette Avenue the night before Ayla was reported missing.
DiPietro said he and Ayla; his sister Elisha DiPietro, 23 and her young daughter; and his girlfriend Courtney Roberts, 24, and her young son, were all in the home. The Roberts are Portland residents.
McCausland said at a Wednesday press conference there were three adults and two children in the home. Friday he said that was a mistake.
“There were two children in addition to Ayla,” McCausland said.
At that same press conference, McCausland said police encouraged the DiPietros to speak to the media.
DiPietro said Friday he felt some information should be left to the police to make public.
“I would rather let them be the ones to come out and talk about that night, if they feel it’s necessary,” DiPietro said of police. “I don’t really feel that’s up to us. If there are certain details they want to share, they should be the ones to come out and share those details.”
DiPietro also clarified a comment he made Wednesday to the Morning Sentinel regarding a large scale search of the Kennebec River and Messalonskee Stream by state divers.
Mcausland is lying when he says the poly graph operator knows the results, but that there is no written report. The polygraph er has to interpret the meaning of the lines etc exactly the way a doctor interprets an EKG then writes a report of what it means. I think Justin was right to ask to see the report of the results and not rely on what police tell him verbally. Especially if the used it to try to pressure him.
Anom - Now that you mention it, I agree - "McCausland said the polygraph exam results would be difficult to read without training. “It’s lines on a paper, similar to an electrocardiogram report,” he said. “The polygraph operator knows the results, but there’s no transcript or written text that goes with it."
When someone has an ecg, the doctor who reads it sends a report to the doctor who ordered it. How are investigators supposed to know how someone did on their test? Is it just word of mouth? Do they sit down and have coffee with the polygrapher afterwards? In a case this important, I'd think they would have the parties take the test with 2 different polygraphers who don't work together and compare results - which they would have on paper. Thanks for mentioning that anon, I'm going to do some research on poly protocol.
In the case of Breeann Rodriguez, a toddler missing last year in Missouri, both parents were polygraphed right after her disappearance. Both parents were told that they failed their polygraphs. Breeann was found days later, dead at the hands of a neighnor. The parents were not involved in any way. How many times has this happened?
I question polygraphs given to parents in the early days of an investigation of this type.
"I question polygraphs given to parents in the early days of an investigation of this type."
S.... I agree totally. I am sure that in the early days (and perhaps longer) parents are feeling guilt, when their child is missing. Since parents are the main care giver, it is not unusual for them to feel 'responsible' merely because they look at it as their job to protect. I cannot see how polygraphing parents could help at all. Given the unreliability of polygraphs in ideal situations, these situations only make a polygraph even less reliable. IMO - KJ
Anommmmm10/27/12 7:27 PM... I also believe that there is a written report somewhere. Police do not have to tell you the truth, they can say whatever they want in order to do their investigation. If the polygraph was done by police personnel (or police hired personnel) then the polygraph is a part of the investigation and the police have total control of who sees what. If Justin wanted to see the results of a polygraph, he could hire an independent polygraph and then he would be the owner of the report (not the State of Maine). - KJ
Yes but I would like to know why getting closer to the truth states that Courtney's car was traced going to the rivers with the gps. Where does "getting closer to the truth"'s information comes from ? How does he know all that ? Or has he made it up ?
FILE - This undated file photo obtained from a Facebook page shows toddler Ayla Reynolds, missing in Waterville, Maine. Reynolds was reported missing on Dec. 17, 2011 from the Waterville, Maine home of her father Justin DiPietro. With the reward expiring and the victim believed to be dead,
the family is trying to move on despite not knowing what happened to the missing toddler.
John P...I understand you read here. So this is for you and U4A.
I sincerely applaud your hunter-awareness campaign. My issue is that it concentrates 100% on Ayla and does not consider other people that go missing in woods. Some are men. Some are women. Some are teenagers. Some might be toddlers. Some might be victims of foul play. Some may have committed suicide. Some may have simply wandered off, got lost, and succumbed to the elements.
It was a woman's bathing suit that a hunter stumbled upon that later led to the remains of Molly Bish here in Western, MA.
I thought "chicky's" observation of a discarded mattress in a remote location was worthy of investigation.
My point? Why not just inform hunters to be on the alert for anything that appears out-of-place deep in the woods? Honestly, I think most hunters already know to do this...but perhaps not all. That is why I applaud your project.
A bra, underwear, sippy cup, bathing suit, wallet, blood, human bone, signs of a grave, a set of dentures, etc. should be reported to the authorities if found.
That would have covered Ayla, and perhaps others lost and missing.
mckeekitty.... I agree that any pleas to hunters should include anything they see that is out of place or unusual. There is also a missing woman (Christiana Fesmire) somewhere in the woods of Maine. Her accused murdered supposedly claimed he wrapped her in a blanket and dumped her body in a swampy area of woods (somewhere out of the Lewiston area). Just recently a man from northern Maine was also found deceased in the woods. So asking for hunters to look for anything unusual is a great idea. - KJ
Furthermore, they put the awareness in the hunter's head to look . . . do you think if a hunter comes across a body and evidence and it doesn't involve Ayla they will just walk past it. . . you really need to stop showing your hatred toward that blog Mckeekitty it does not become you! GROW UP
At the time I posted my comment, John was touting a poster that included photos of Justin and Trista in it. I don't think either Trista or Justin are lost in the woods.
You may have missed my point that I applaud the hunter awareness project. I just wanted to emphasize that ANYTHING out of place should be explored. A discarded bathing suit was the clue to discovering Molly Bish here in Western, MA.
Yeah...I could see a hunter not thinking that a bathing suit was significant. In fact, this is exactly what happened. It was several days later when the hunter learned about the missing girl and reported the bathing suit. So what is so wrong with reminding hunter to be aware of anything that appears out of place?
An extensive search took place to find Molly Bish. It was the largest and most expensive search for a missing person ever held in Massachusetts. Her case was profiled on the American television shows Disappeared, America's Most Wanted[2], Unsolved Mysteries[3], and 48 Hours[1]. On June 9, 2003, Bish's remains were found five miles from her family home.[4] A hunter had seen a blue bathing suit in the woods on Whiskey Hill in Palmer, Massachusetts in the late fall of 2002. He mentioned this to Tim McGuigan in May 2003, who then made the possible connection to Molly Bish and contacted police. An intense search of the area soon located Molly's remains. _______________________________________
Again...a diaper, wallet, clothing, a mound that could indicate a shallow grave should be reported. I doubt that photos of Ayla will be all that productive. JMO.
In the Christina Fesmire case, LE has been told by the suspect that he wrapped her in a blanket and threw her in the woods in the Lewiston area. Given that info, it seems that the investigating office should have found a way already to reach out to hunters in that area - but if they have, we haven't heard about it.
I agree, mckee, that pictures of Trista, Justin, and even Ayla are not going to help locate Ayla if she is out in the woods; however, they are making an effort that LE has not made. They may be going a little overboard on the self-congratulatory language, but it serves a purpose in keeping the morale up and the energy flowing. Overall, people were becoming tired and frustrated, and this has given a focus and they could feel they have contributed. I am honestly still overwhelmed when I think of the early searchers finding the remains of Steven Brandon who'd been missing for 8 years. I feel in a sense that Ayla brought this man home to his family.
I'm not critical of the campaign...I posted my thoughts and ideas on the matter here because John P reads on this blog and I cannot post on U4A.
The trolls seem to have missed the point that this is a very positive awareness program that I, and many here, highly commend. I only wanted to suggest that ANYTHING out of place in the woods should be reported. IMO, that is more productive than a photo of Ayla, Justin and Trista.
I used Molly Bish's case to illustrate my point. Sadly, people are killed and/or disposed of in the woods. Suggesting a general awareness of "huh...that's weird...why would a bathing suit be in the woods" shouldn't just be dismissed.
McKee, you have plenty of time to do your own hunter awareness for next year that can include hunters looking for anything and everything. One thing I don't understand, if you know John has no desire to speak with you why do you insist on writing to John here, rather than addressing the Hunter awareness as a whole. Is this just to show that you, "win" ? I'm not getting your one on one battles at all.
Oneannon...John has clearly stated that he reads here. I can no longer post on U4A. Thus,, this is a mutual portal to make a suggestion that a photo of Ayla, Justin and Trista isn't, IMO, a productive approach to finding Ayla.
Have you seen the posters???? The one with Justin and Trista is disgusting.
Hey annon, I said nothing about Ayla not being found and if other missing persons should also be looked for that are missing or still missing next year then why not do this hunter awareness again. You saying that I hope Ayla is still missing is simply stupid and a waste of words, immature to say the least. McKee, not every poster suggested or created by many individuals from united for Ayla and other facebook pages were used for distribution.
McKee, There were many posters/flyers that were created by people but not all of those were printed and distributed. So it may be that the one you found offensive was not one that was printed and distributed. As far as any civic duty, I do what I feel is morally correct and posted flyers in numerous towns.
Oneannon...yes, the one I found questionable (with the photo of Justin and the photo of Trista in it) is no longer on the site.
As others have pointed out, the hunter awareness project is pro-active and gives those that support Ayla an opportunity to actually do something in what often feels like a lost cause.
Again, I'm sorry I lashed out at you. We had this one tricker-or-treater last night that could have been Ayla's twin. She was dressed as a bat, and I was full of rage that Ayla wasn't likely enjoying what would have been her second Halloween.
Can someone please tell me how to remove a comment? TIA.
mckee has become a giant VERBAL HEMMOROID and got kicked of U4A because she gots the potty mouth. she got it real bad, that and she is still crying about getting kicked off the island. It's kinda funny really when you think about it. I used to stick up for her but now I think she may just be a hoity toity bitch. Her annoyance factor has shot up to the roof.
Mckeekitty would find something wrong with Mother T. (The Saint). Mckeekitty is a bottom blog belly-acher with hemorrhoids that would only get off her ass to save her beloved keyboard.
Anon 2:34 Insulting others isn't productive. Sorry you don't like Mckee. Didn't your mother ever tell you if you can't say nothing nice, don't say nothing at all......if she didn't, she should have.
oaklandrez - clearly there's some anons who are obsessed with mckee. They could start a support group... some sort of 12 step program - "Hi, my name is Anonymous and I'm addicted to mckee" - "Hi Anonymous, welcome to our group, coincidentally we are all named Anonymous - here we all practice talking about other things, anon on the end has earned her first chip for not referencing mckee for the past 24 hours. Way to go! The tenet of our program is based on trying to figure out what our OWN problems are that we feel like we always need to talk about mckee instead."
anon who started this thread, "bottom blog belly-acher" - the irony
Looking...I'm near Westfield and have been following this since it came over my police scanner.
I'm quite confused. The Amber Alert was issued around 10:00 this morning. Cheryl's mother has legal custody of Gaebria. I'm not sure, but I think Cheryl also lived in the home with her mother and daughter.
Did Cheryl's mother not realize that the infant was gone until 10:00 this morning?
Now I'm REALLY confused. It is being confirmed that Cheryl indeed lived with her mother and daughter in the Westfield home. The Amber Alert warns that Gaebria may be in "extreme danger."
How the hell does that work? Cheryl doesn't have custody of her daughter, and may pose a threat to the infant? Yet she lives in the home with her mother and daughter?
The Amber Alert came over the scanner just before ten this morning. Nearly an hour later it came across the TV screen. The latest is that Cheryl may be heading to the "mid Atlantic" states
Does somebody here have experience/knowledge about such matters? If you lose your infant to your own mother, is it permissable to live in the same home with your infant?
Pure speculation on my part...but it sounds like Katheryn Kozaczek wasn't aware that Cheryl took off with Gaebria at 1:00 AM.
Authorites say the mother of a 3-month-old Westfield girl was located and arrested in Virgina Wednesday afternoon.
Photos: Amber Alert issued for missing child More
The baby was found safe.
Cheryl E. Kozaczek, 28, of 80 Woodmont St., of Westfield, left her home at approximately 1 a.m. Wednesday with her 3-month-old daughter, Gaebria Kozaczek, in a gray 2004 Toyota Tacoma pickup.
Cheryl Kozaczek did not have legal custody of the child. The child’s legal guardian was Cheryl Kozaczek’s mother.
Westfield Police said the child was not in the custody of her mother due to mental health issues.
Kozaczek was picked up by Virginia State Police just before 3 p.m. Wednesday in Emporia, Virginia, a community located off Interstate 95, approximately 11 miles from the North Carolina border.
Emporia is approximately 565 miles from Westfield, Massachusetts.
Massachusetts State Police Trooper Todd Nolan said they believed the woman may have left the state with the infant and was possibly heading south along the eastern seaboard.
Cheryl Kozaczek has previously spent time in California and has been known to sleep in her vehicle or in hotels.
I do want to agree with you this was sort of screwy. Now i get the mother suffered mental illness and that is why the grandmother had physical custody. That also explains why the mom was living there. The thing that gets me is obviously the grandmother saw the mom leave since a description of what she was wearing was given. What I want to know is what was the reason the mother was allowed to leave at 1 am with a 3 month old and why the wait until 10 am for the alert?
Again...speculating. I don't think Cheryl's mother knew the baby was missing until 9 or 10 o'clock this morning. A mentally ill mother leaving with her infant that she does not have custody of at 1:00 AM would have demanded immediate action, IMO. I'm sure we'll learn more about this story in the days to follow...
I know it has been floating out there that Trista is bipolar. I actually bought this hook, line, and sinker...but I don't see it verified in the media and/or LE statements.
I worry about Trista's young son... I hope Becca, Jeff, Jessica, Ron, Ronnie, Whitney and/or Robert Fortier are keeping tabs on the little tyke.
I stick up for Mckee and anyone else you trolls beat on for no reason. I don't find you people funny nor do I find the brow beating useful. Sorry you don't like that I stick up for others.
oaklandrez. we need more people on this planet like you. you deal with the idiots in a respectful way. i also think mckitty is special. hopefully your and mckitty's views will help guide LE thru this nightmare. Phoebe (or a look-alike) took Ayla.
Oak...at the risk of coming off as a real ass-kisser to the trolls, I agree with Anon 6:16 (Kadoe...is that you?)
I'm sorry you've been a target of attack for simply being respectful and decent towards others. Trolls are the dark-side of all blogs...
I don't know who is responsible for Ayla's disappearance. Not sure LE knows either. Just turned the calendar page to November, and I wonder if this case will ever be solved.
Anon 6:16 and Mckee, thanks. I try to NOT call people names or degrade them. There's no reason to. People that do those kinds of things on a regular basis have a tendency to be abusers (physical and mental). I dealt with enough of that in my life.
The trolls make me a target because they can't stand the fact that there are people that can get their point across without being abusive and it really burns their asses that the abusive crap they spew doesn't have the desired effect. I can take it and not turn around and be like them :)
Way OT: The latest computer models have Hurricane Sandy coming off as a real bitch. For those here on the East Coast, best get prepared now. Remember your neighbors, especially the elderly.
ReplyDeletePlease don't ridicule this public service announcement. Just want to spread awareness.
Mckee - I've seen you say you're in MA. I'm in CT, right on the coast. I might not get on this weekend as I'll be battening down the hatches so I just wanted to say take care and be safe. It looks like we're in for a good "blow" as we New Englander's call it. With Irene we had no power for over a week and this one looks way worse. It won't matter how far inland you are with this storm, it's huge area wise. They're saying as far west as Pittsburgh and Buffalo will feel it.
DeleteEveryone from the mid-atlantic all the way up the coast to ME, good luck and keep safe.
We are keeping our eye on the storm. Of course, anything can change between now and when it gets to this area. So, it's good to watch the news and hopefully, be prepared. Hoping it turns and goes out to sea. - KJ
DeleteTo all those on the East Coast, take care, and stay safe.
DeleteTheir silence is deafening.
DeletePhoebe isn’t talking because the last time she opened her mouth, she put eight feet in it. Her’s, Justin’s, Elisha’, and Courtney’s. She started the silence ball rolling. It’s debatable whether or not they would have remained so mum if she hadn’t royally screwed up during that CNN interview. They saw first-hand what kind of backlash it created and realized that the public was hanging on their every word.
Justin only talks in generalities. He “doesn’t know.” He can’t say anything right now because “it’s not the right time.” When asked a direct question, he responds with an answer that doesn’t address the question, but evades it. I can’t think of the interview right now, but there was one in particular where he was asked a very specific question that would have required a very specific answer, but what he responded with was completely off topic. It was very disappointing and bolsters fears that he is indeed involved in something other than a simple “kidnapping.”
Elisha… The biggest thing we’ve heard from her is that one of the investigators she spoke with told her that they think she is telling the truth. I remember watching hours of Casey Anthony interviews and saw the same technique. Initially, law enforcement personnel coaxed her into a false sense of security. Sure Casey, we believe you. Tell us more. (Sink yourself) Uhuh, uhuh. So it was Zanny? Go on… Elisha wants us to believe that she’s telling the whole truth and nothing but the whole truth based on her statement that one of the investigators she spoke with said during an interview that they told her that they thought she was telling the truth. Is she trying to convince herself?
Courtney has been rumored to have authored or at least given the inspiration for some blog posts that were written describing events leading up the 911 call. She has appeared on some social networking pages. But beyond that, she has said nothing in her own defense. Nothing in Justin’s defense. Nothing in Elisha’s or Lance’s or Phoebe’s defense.
And I think this is the most important part of this silence. They appear to be deliberately avoiding defending themselves. Not that they have to necessarily, but if you have nothing to hide, why not clarify certain things so that your public opinion meter rises up a little bit. People who are innocent shout it from the rooftops. They don’t avoid this, they can’t help but do it. Who wants to sit back and accept it? No one.
A person’s first reaction, when they are innocent, is to speak up. It’s human nature. Almost instinctive.
We don’t hide in the shadows and hope that alternative conclusions are come up with. Nor do we allow others to do the talking for us. When we let others be our mouthpieces, the only thing to gain is that if something is misstated, we can then claim that those weren’t our words.
Just wanted to put a disclaimer on this post...I am the Dee who has been posting here recently, mostly speaking with mckee, and the above post is not mine. There must be two of us now. I do agree with some of it but it is not my post.
DeleteHave a good and safe weekend all.
And thanks S.
DeleteDee...we were in Mystic (actually a little spot called Groton Long Point) a few weeks ago. Wouldn't want to be there now. Do be careful.
DeleteAnd that applies to all on the East Coast. Yes, even you obnoxious trolls.
Stay safe.
Residents say accused killer of Autumn Pasquale attended vigil, 'liked' memorial Facebook page
DeleteCLAYTON — In the days leading up to the discovery of her body in a trash can behind his house, Justin Robinson took more than a passing interest in the search for 12-year-old Autumn Pasquale, residents in his Gloucester County neighborhood say.
On Sunday night, he attended a candlelight vigil where hundreds of residents prayed for Autumn’s safe return, several Clayton residents said. Later on, they said, the 15-year-old apparently "liked" a Facebook page dedicated to the rescue effort. And just hours before Autumn’s body was found late Monday, Robinson apparently posted a single name on the Facebook wall of the girl’s older brother.
"Autumn," was all he wrote.
"What bout her?" A.J. Pasquale asked.
"why post her name then nothing else?" added a woman who called herself "Ann Rush."
In response, Robinson then wrote: "It was an accident the cop waz here & my brother did it," according to a copy of the Facebook post.
It remains unclear whether Robinson was referring to the word "autumn" he posted on Pasquale’s wall or, more chillingly, the crime itself.
A spokesman for the Gloucester County Prosecutor’s Office said Thursday the office would not comment on any of the Facebook posts, though Prosecutor Sean Dalton said earlier this week that information from Facebook helped point investigators toward the alleged killers.
Justin Robinson and his 17-year-old brother, Donte, were arrested Tuesday and charged with murder, conspiracy to commit murder, tampering with evidence, improperly disposing of a body and theft in connection with Autumn’s death.
Several residents who know the Pasquale and Robinson families said Justin was seen at some events related to the search for Autumn and was discussing the search on Facebook.
Crystal Seitz, 17, and Nicole Trischitta, 18, students at Clayton High School, said the younger Robinson also participated in a discussion on A.J. Pasquale’s Facebook wall about the search.
Seitz said the Facebook postings have have been a topic of conversation at Clayton High School all week.
A memorial to Autumn Pasquale near the site where her body was found in Clayton.
"So many people have taken pictures of it on Instagram," she said. "I thought it was weird. I think it was really creepy."
On Wednesday, The Star-Ledger published a Facebook conversation in which Justin Robinson invited Autumn to his house on Oct. 16 to see a bike, days before she disappeared.
The Robinson brothers are scheduled to appear in court today for a hearing to decide whether they will remain at the Camden County Youth House.
Jason Green, a 20-year-old Glassboro man who said he was involved in the search for Autumn, also said Justin was acting strange in the days before police found the girl’s body.
Green claims he saw Justin laugh during Sunday night’s vigil.
"It’s creepy and upsetting," Green said.
Seitz, whose brother was friends with Justin, said the 15-year-old was regularly disciplined for disruptive behavior at Clayton High School. He was often "disrespectful" when he visited the Seitz household, she said.
"It was sickening to think that he’d been in my house," Seitz said.
Funeral services for Autumn are scheduled for Saturday.
Such a sad and senseless loss.
DeleteIIRC, mother Robinson called the cops because of suspicious FB postings made by her son(s). Thanks for providing more details.
What I do n't get it Autumn was 12, right? Why did she dress like an 18 year old, have a bf, cell phone, etc?
Deleteno shit. she wasnt supposed to be on FB either, you have to be 14. all the kids have phones and ipods.the murderer tried to sell her iphone too.
Deleteall these kids are from broken homes. so sad.
i honestly can't feel bad for the parents in this situation. they clearly were not the parents of the year or their child would not have been on facebook, with a phone, taking pictures of herself, having a bf, etc
DeleteAnon - that's utter BULLSHIT, a lot of kids that age do stuff like that now, are parents only permitted to grieve if they lose a child they keep in a closet until they are old enough to take care of themselves? The families knew each other from the town, not through facebook. It seems from what's been released that they intended to murder her and steal her bicycle. Maybe parents should allow kids to ride their bikes anymore either, or walk 2 blocks to meet friends to go to school, or have a nanny...
DeleteSuch harsh judgement on a deceased child and her family. Autumn shouldn't have been on FB? She shouldn't have had a cell phone? She shouldn't have had a "boyfriend"?
DeleteGuess she "had it coming", huh?
According to the Star Ledger, Autumn was a brilliant straight-A student.
She shouldn't have been murdered over a fucking bicycle.
Wow,...Anon. surely you do not have a child.
DeleteWell, it's like those people who say that some women are asking to be raped because they are wearing mini skirts. As oneannon says the only people responsible are the ones who did the crime
DeleteMckeekitty is getting very scary.spends all day on the comp with her ear glued to her scanner. It's a sad existance really. I just wish she wouldn't try and contact me personally so much.
DeleteNow I know you can't be the real Michelle.....
DeleteI am bending over in front of John with a miniskirt and no panties. Hope he notices me.
DeleteFrom the previous topic:
ReplyDelete"why no reward from gammie10/25/12 7:51 PM
You know whagt is interesting.....Phoebe says--I would give everything I owned to have her back...YET..NO REWARD OFFERED by her to bring her GD home safely from Justins kidnapper. She owns a home and a property in Rangely she could get a second mortgage/home equity line to offer a reward, but nothing. The businesses offered one but not the family WHO LOST HER. very interesting.
so phoebes words were like farts in the wind.........."
Why no, That is an interesting observation.
Just my what if, IF the DiPietro family believes Ayla was abducted by strangers, why no public plea to the abductors? Or as you stated, why not offer your own reward for her safe return?
If the DiPietro family believe they know (or suspect) "who" took Ayla, have they given those names to the LE? If those people have been checked out by LE and shown not to have abducted Ayla? If so, then why would one not go back to thinking it was a stranger and offering public pleas and a reward from the family?
While the reward is nice, I personally feel the lack of public pleas to the stranger abductor is the most telling. I'm not saying that the family is right or wrong to do or not do anything, all I am saying is that we all judge behavior based on our experiences and to me, lack of a plea to the abductor seems strange (in this case).
While the police did all the forensics on the Violette Ave home, did they find any evidence that a stranger had been in the home? Wouldn't it be nice to see all the evidence the LE holds?
Praying for Ayla and praying for resolution. - KJ
KJ - good to see you commenting.
Deletere: "I personally feel the lack of public pleas to the stranger abductor is the most telling. I'm not saying that the family is right or wrong to do or not do anything, all I am saying is that we all judge behavior based on our experiences and to me, lack of a plea to the abductor seems strange (in this case)."
I believe both Justin and Phoebe issued a plea in the beginning. I don't recall any plea to a kidnapper from Trista or any member of her family. Clearly there's a mix of personalities and a lot of dynamics and history we likely don't have a true grasp of.
Phoebe owns a home in Rangely? According to who?
DeleteSpace... "a mix of personalities and a lot of dynamics.." Absolutely! While I commented above regarding Justin and the DiPietro family, I am equally puzzled by behaviors of Trista and her family. If there is one thing I have learned over the past 10 months, both families have problems and issues that may or may not have directly led to Ayla's disappearance.
DeleteI'm would also be surprised at the lack of pleas (to the abductor) on Trista and her families part as well, but it's quite well known that they believe Ayla is deceased and that someone in the DiPietro home is responsible.
Regardless of all of that, there is one sure truth... there is a lot of lying going on IMO. - KJ
Anon 10:56 PM, the "home in Rangely" (sic) was from the previous comment by ""why no reward from gammie10/25/12 7:51 PM".
DeleteI have no idea what homes (other than the one in Waterville) that Phoebe owns. - KJ
according to property records, she owns property in rangely ME.
DeleteKJ - there may be 2 families that have suspected the other from the beginning, within those 2 families there may be one or more people lying - I was thinking of the first days, when less information was out there (not that there's a lot now) - Trista said she didn't think Ayla was harmed in the beginning, but still no plea for her safe return - again, in the beginning, no talk of how much she loves Ayla, how she is special, etc. - (in the Nancy Grace interviews and the Today Show) - it seemed more like a showdown. It's all very strange.
Delete"Regardless of all of that, there is one sure truth... there is a lot of lying going on IMO. - KJ"
DeleteYep, I agree KJ. From both sides. And it's strange and disappointing when there is a precious little girl missing in the midst of all this he said/she said crap.
justin said''she thinks it's a game'' I think HE thinks it's some kind of game of hide the baby from her mama because the kid is his property and the bitch had the nerve to have the baby after he ordered her to abort.
DeleteFrom previous topic:
ReplyDelete"the space between10/24/12 11:03 PM
KM - I don't know if the blood on the sheets is true, but if it is it would be VERY likely that it went through onto the mattress. I remember someone said LE removed a mattress from the home, I don't remember who said it or if that source was credible. I know some of Justin's supporters say Trista lied about her blood being there; however, that "knowledge" (?) has allowed me to feel that some of the blood LE may have originally thought was Ayla's was actually Trista's - and therefore, Ayla didn't lose as much blood as they initially thought. I resist being disabused of this notion. :( "
Space... my understanding from what I read was that Trista's dna was found on the sheets, somewhere this got stated as 'blood' and then it seemed to become Trista must have been at the Waterville house. The sheets were brought to the Waterville house from the apartment in Portland where Justin lived. It's not known if the sheets were washed prior to transport, or if dna remained after washing. It's known that Trista and Justin had sex in Portland, the dna was brought to Waterville in the sheets. Vaginal secretions, sweat and saliva all contain dna, so it was not necessarily Trista's blood that was on the bedding. I tried to find the news report of Trista's dna being found, but have not as yet. I will try to find that. But I am pretty sure the LE did not say it was blood. - KJ
KJ - thanks - I don't think there was ever mention of Trista's dna in the news - the only thing I saw about it was wordman's post on J4A - he said that Trista said it was blood
DeleteI agrre with Space, I've never seen or heard mention of Trista's DNA or blood from LE.
DeleteThe only thing I've ever read about it was from the post by wordman, (Stand by Your Man) and he did say blood.
"But now investigators have verified to Trista that her blood was identified on Justin’s sheets that he travelled with from Portland.",
Thank you Space and S, I thought I saw that in the paper, but I guess not. Frankly, I don't trust anything that supposedly came from Trista to someone else who posts it. That's part of the problem with trying to figure out what is what in this case, too much information coming in second, third and forth hand or more. - KJ
Delete"Frankly, I don't trust anything that supposedly came from Trista to someone else who posts it. That's part of the problem with trying to figure out what is what in this case, too much information coming in second, third and forth hand or more."
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Good to see you, KJ.
I totally agree with your comment. So many of the critical details spring from a single source...Jeff's blogs.
how does it work? police tell trista-she tells becca-becca tells jeff-jeff spins it and releases it to tori or john to post under some freak named worm man.sounds really trustworthy.
Delete@S
ReplyDeleteYou asked me in the previous thread if I would pass well wishes along to Selena if I see her. And I will be glad to pass the message along although I do not see her personally. But I did want to mention that the "ok will do" message was not from me. And thanks to everyone else for their previous well wishes I did in fact pass those along as well. I am sure Selena appreciates them!
HT, I hope that Selena is recovering and that we will see her commenting again soon. She is missed. - KJ
DeleteThanks KJ. She is recovering. I too miss her spunk.
Deletewhat a hag. you dont even know this woman but that doesnt stop you from trying to look relevant and pretending to pass along a msg. how far can your meddling go? you dont know jack, lady. jack.you are no friend to ayla.
DeleteI am going to ask my son, he is going to ask Justin, Justin is going to ask Li, and Li is going to ask Phoebe who will try to ask her nephew in Augusta for her direct cell number.
Deleteanon - S specifically asked Heidi if she would pass along a message and Heidi agreed to do so "although she does not see her personally" - that's hardly "meddling" or "trying to look relevant."
DeleteHeidi, some people have to find ulterior motives behind anything you do, because you support your friends - likely they know they, themselves, would not have the unselfish courage or heart to stand up as you have.
Impersonating people is shows your level of maturity. Enough said.
DeleteMinus the "is"
DeleteDon't know why that is in there.
Thanks space
DeleteHT,
DeleteThanks, I appreciate you passing along the message.
Also thanks for letting me know that the "okay will do" was not your reply.
tell us more about your impressive mansion overlooking the river.oh, and if there is any space left over maybe you can squeeze something about a helpless missing baby named AYLA. you are a shameful, self serving attention whore. that's my opinion and there is nothing you can do about it.
DeleteHT - Heidi didn't say anything about her house, Ben McCanna did that. Call him on the phone and ask him directly where that came from. Ask him if he or Heidi wrote that piece. Kadoe was able to reach him by phone, I'm sure you can also.
DeleteI've already spoken to him. He said Heidi went into great detail about the house and wanted it in the piece. she also signed off on the article that the info was accurate. If Heidi has a problem with what was printed she would speak up doncha think, her mouth is bigger than the Kennebec not to mention her ego. She took an opportunity for AYLA and turned it into her own 'look at me' elitist propaganda bullshit.
DeleteAnonymous you really are something. I have no problem with MY words in the article that was written but I was not in charge of how Ben wrote his article or how an editor edited it nor did I sign off on that. That is just silly. I do find it interesting when people such as yourself resort to blatant lies and impersonating others to try and twist facts. Why is that? PS Details of my home were Ben's words not mine. Although that too I think is silly and trivial that people are focusing on that. If it makes you feel better someday I will sell this home . Because that is all it is to me just a home. For some reason it seems to be bothersome to others and be more than that. And you are right Anon I can not change what you think about me. Believe it or not I am okay with that. But if you want to write lies how about you use your name instead of hiding behind Anonymous.
DeleteHeidi, anonymous is just jealous because she lives in a trailer and has spent her pathetic life on welfare so she could never afford a nice home. She likes to put down people who have worked hard for what they have because she is incapable of doing the same thing.
DeleteIgnore the trolls.
look whose talking.
Deletelol how mature. why didn't you just reply with "i know you are but what am i?"
DeleteI hope someone doesn't impersonate me like the others. I got my GED finally so no one is going to spoil my celebration!!!!!!
Deletehide your kids hide your wife
DeleteTranscripts:
ReplyDeleteSusan: In her first television interview. the missing child’s grandmother, Phoebe DiPietro says she’s living a nightmare.
Phoebe: You’re waiting for a phone call, hoping the police have your granddaughter.
Susan: But so far that phone call hasn’t come; not a single word about what happened to Ayla Reynolds. The toddler, who now would be 21-months-old, shown in this video that was shot last fall, disappeared in the middle of the night, a week before Christmas.
Phoebe: She’s quiet, very sweet. Her eyes, she’s got the bluest eyes, the longest eyelashes.
Susan: DiPietro says Ayla’s father, Justin, put her to bed around 8 o’clock. The next day, before 9:00am, he called police to report her gone.
Susan: There’s no accident that could have happened that night?
Phoebe: No
Susan: Among anyone here?
Phoebe: No
Susan: You, Justin
Phoebe: No. No.
Susan: The other people that were here?
Phoebe: No. No.
Susan: Something covered up?
Phoebe: No. No.
Susan: What other adults were there, exactly what happened that night, or whether anyone checked on Ayla, police won’t say, nor will DiPietro. She said investigators warned her against jeopardizing the case.
Phoebe: I can tell you there was not a party here at the house.
Susan: People had dinner? Watched television? Eventually went to bed?
Phoebe: (Nods affirmatively) Pretty much, um ya, I really have to avoid that question.
Susan: You didn’t hear any noise?
Phoebe: I did not hear a thing (maybe anything).
Susan: When you found out that she wasn’t here, what did you think?
Phoebe: I thought that I did not want my son to go get any of his friends and go kicking in doors looking for her.
Susan: I take it you don’t think some stranger walked in off the street and did this.
Phoebe: (Shakes head negatively and sighs) It is a very creepy feeling to think that somebody had been casing your house. That they had been watching the families activities.
Susan: After Ayla vanished, her grandmother told detectives, some things around the house didn’t look the same.
Phoebe: Some oddities that I had noticed and we told law enforcement what those were.
Susan: She would not reveal them to us. Without a search warrant, Ayla’s grandmother allowed police to turn her house upside down for about two weeks because she says she has nothing to hide.
Phoebe: I would give everything I own to have her back
Susan: Ayla’s parents never married and live apart. The child’s mother, who spent time in rehab, her family says, questions whether Justin mistreated Ayla. Suspicious about a soft-cast she had on her left arm teh night she went missing. Justin’s mother says she was home when her son tripped while carrying Ayla into the house. In other words: an accident.
Phoebe: Justin is a great dad. He truly, truly is and I know he loves Ayla.
Susan: This sparkling red dress and books are among Ayla’s Christmas gifts never wrapped.
Phoebe: I have to believe she’s okay
Susan: Do you have anything to say for whoever took Ayla?
Phoebe: Please bring her back, please. Bring her back.
Susan: So she can see her dancing, again.
Pinnochio,Thank you for the transcript looking back on this particular interview It does tell Pheobe's lie but it also states some other key points to me that some people including me looked over, like her stating the things moved and the weird someones casing the house stuff. If that is indeed true and not also made up then it's worth looking at. LE hasn't given us much to work with and I think maybe pheobe's one lie made it look bad for the rest of them.But she did indeed plea for whoever took her to bring her back. After reading this a couple times I get a feeling if Ayla was kidnapped and indeed alive somewhere that Justin and his family have suspisions as to who and I mean outside of the Reynolds family. Trista isn't a saint but they don't have a real clue where she is. LE has made them think Ayla is dead and took away alot of hope for them.
DeleteAshley, if you have the time and inclination, you might find it interesting to go back and watch the interviews again. It's nice to have the transcripts, but a lot is missed when we're just reading the words. The interviews I'm thinking of specifically are Phoebe's with CNN, Justin's with the Today Show and his 2nd one with (I think) NECN (or a similar name, I had a hard time finding it) and Trista twice on Nancy Grace and once on the Today Show.
DeleteNECN interview with Justin
Deletehttp://www.necn.com/searchNECN/search/v/50492102/ayla-s-father-we-want-her-home.htm?q=dipietro+ayla
Why can’t we discount the blood evidence and the comments being said about it? Simple. Because if Maine State Police knew that this information was completely false, they most likely would have had a press conference denying it by now. They have been quick to shoot down other things that they disagreed with. Why not this too? If they know that what Jeff Hanson is putting out there on the web to be misleading, false, exaggerated, they would need to put a stop to it and clarify it because this case is still in the process of being built. They can’t have a jury pool contaminated with evidence that isn’t truly evidence. This would not allow for anyone to have a fair trial if that is what this comes down to. And, to imagine that state police are deliberately allowing only false information to circulate that implicates Justin is hard to believe. I would think that this would open them up to all kinds of lawsuits.
ReplyDeleteDidn't Trista say that LE told her she could say whatever she wants and that they would not confirm nor deny it?
DeleteSpace, I believe that was stated somewhere. Even so, I believe it is common practice in investigations for LE to not confirm or deny what others say. Even denying information tells people something they may not want known. It's a slippery slope to confirm or deny what others are saying. - KJ
Deletehmmmm LE denied an artcle stating Ayla was dead wriiten by a boston reporter. wonder why they didnt want people to know they thought she was deceased?
Delete"Waterville, Maine (NEWS CENTER) -- A Boston television station is reporting tonight that investigators now believe that missing toddler Ayla Reynolds is dead.
DeleteHowever, Maine Public Safety spokesperson Steve McCausland says that report is completely untrue. When asked about the story by NEWS CENTER, McCausland said, "it is unattributed, irresponsible, and inaccurate." We also spoke with Trista Reynolds's stepfather Jeff Hanson who said police had not notified him or Trista that there was any change in the status of the investigation."
The reason police denied this report was because the report claimed that "investigators now believe that missing toddler Ayla Reynolds is dead." Of course they would deny something that wrongly reported about themselves.
If Trista had said "Ayla is dead", I would expect that the LE would neither confirm or deny. But this reporter was claiming that the investigators were saying that. - KJ
but didnt trista state that investigators said that more than a cupful of aylas blood was found. they didnt deny her statement. that's a HUGE CLAIM for her to repeat.
DeleteI believe that via Jeff's blog, it was claimed that investigators told Trista that the blood amount was more than a cupful. Since that information, supposedly came from Trista and not the LE, it would be neither confirmed or denied. That is a huge claim and people are free to believe whatever they will from the LE neither confirming or denying. Trista, telling someone else that the police said this or that and that other person posting it in a blog, is quite different than a news article claiming that investigators directly said they "believe Ayla IS dead". IMO - KJ
DeleteJeff's post on Answers for Ayla on January 29:
DeleteIn Augusta, before the Vigil (1/28/12), MSP told Trista and Becky (I was not in the room) that Justin had told them that the blood in question was caused by a cut on Ayla's foot and that "it was more than a small cut would produce".
After the Vigil (when I was with Becky and Trista) MSP reiterated for me about the small cut. When I asked how much more one of the State Investigators replied "more than a cupful".
I call the cupful statement total bullshit. First of all spill a cup of water on the floor, that is a huge area it will cover. Any reputable investigator would not describe it that way they may say a significant amount if they said anything. Then I say why would LE who has kept everything so quiet then say they found some samples and some were Ayla's but more testing needs to be done. Why would they not say we found a area that contained a significant amount of Ayla's blood?
DeleteLooking...I agree. "More than a cupful" is a crass and offensive statement coming from the mouth of an investigator to Ayla's family. "Significant" would have fit the bill...that is, if this exchange ever took place.
DeleteAs much as I distrust information coming from Jeff, I think a conversation concerning the amount of Ayla's blood found may have taken place.
DeleteHowever, I'm sure the full context wasn't revealed.
This conversation was suppose to have taken place after the vigil on Jan. 28, where Trista spent the afternoon with Justin. Was it said to guage a reaction? Or perhaps some type of information?
If the "more than a cupful" was said by an investigator, it had to pertain to what was revealed with luminol. Was what had been revealed with luminol over the entire house, or just in the basement? We don't know. Was what was revealed, all blood, or/ and other substances. Was it all Ayla's blood? Could some of it be old blood from someone else?
Had the testing been completed on the luminol samples at that time? I don't think so. (by the Jan. 28 vigil) I believe at that time McCausland stated that *some* blood found had been Ayla's, but more testing had to be done.
So the "more than a cupful" could have been said to Jeff, but without knowing the context, I don't consider it a reliable fact at all.
there is test to determine hemoglobin,this seperates blood from other chemicals, then the samples are sent for dna testing. the dna matched ayla's. I am sure several areas of the blood spill were tested. the blood was found in the basemnet next to justins bed. I originally though , hey maybe she fell offor was knocked/kicked off the bed and hit her head open on the cement floor. then we hear he was sleeping on a matress on the floor.......
Deleteso what ever injury she suffered appears to be intentional AND severe.
police are not going to make an issue of a few droplets of blood. GET FUCKING SERIOUS. the blood was substantial and was instrumental to her fate.
The police said the amount of blood found was troubling. The police said some of the blood was Ayla's. What they have not done is put the two together. They have not come back and said after testing that the troubling amount of blood they found was all Ayla's or that a lot of it was. They have never confirmed that they told Trista a cupful of blood. Trista has said she can say whatever she wants. They have not or did not confirm the amount of blood they found that was troubling was Ayla's. It very well could be that they found a small amount of Ayla's blood and an amount more that was troubling to them that turned out not to be hers. It could have belonged to several people from over the years even. These are the things we don't know and that LE is not telling us and won't because to do so would let people involved know too much information. They may have needed to use these tactics to try and feel the people involved out to gauge their reactions. And to then turn around and explain it to the public would be to show their hand too early.
Deleteget real! why would they be troubled by anyone elses blood BUT AYLAS'S, she is the one missing, the press conference was ABOUT AYLA.The rest of the jackals in that house weren't injured or missing.
Deletejeezz, with all the blood samples in that basement you'd think those people were performing human rituals or sacrificing animals or slaughtering their own chickens for dinner. whats next, Justin is going to come clean and admit he skinned a deer down there ?
maybe phoebe sent her somewhere to protect her from justin who was always injuring the poor babe.
Suz C ??? That sounds like her doesn't it ?
DeleteAnon. 10/28 9:50 said,
Delete"The police said the amount of blood found was troubling"
Actually that is incorrect. S.McCausland, spokesman for MSP said...from the Boston Globe,.. that the *discovery of blood was troubling*, not the amount.
Boston Globe...The blood was found in the basement early in the investigation into Ayla Reynolds’ disappearance.
McCausland called the discovery of the blood ‘‘troubling.’’
Thanks S
DeleteAnd Anonymous 12:37 I imagine the police might be troubled by blood being found in general until they determined who it all belonged to. What part of this are you not getting? They could have found any amount of blood and not known who's it was. Some of it could have been Ayla's some of it could have belonged to one or another person or many other people from many years past. That is how luminol testing works. And LE did say testing was still under way for some time so at the time they may not have had answers as to who all the blood samples belonged to. How old it all was... But yes it could have been troubling just trying to figure it all out.
why would the discovery of blood be troubling if it was a small amt?
DeleteIT. WOULDN'T.
Hey the fake Bonnie, be original and choose your own screen name instead of stealing other people's identities
DeleteFinding ANY amount of a missing person's blood would IN FACT be troubling.
DeleteThe point of this is what?
The POLICE have not verified the amount of blood. It can range anywhere from a few drops to a cup. Unless you have independent verification, or a link, you're wasting your breath.
Just sayin...
oh, and Bonnie---are you also troubled by the fact that Trista's blood was found there? The only conclusion we can jump to is that Trista is also dead at the hands of Justin and will never be found...
DeleteHi Obscure, this "Bonnie10/28/12 4:27 PM
Deletewhy would the discovery of blood be troubling if it was a small amt?
IT. WOULDN'T"
This is not my comment, it's someone who stole my name. If it continues, I guess I will just have to choose another name
The public asks: “How much blood was found?”
ReplyDeleteThe MSP answer: “We can’t get into that, but some of it was Ayla’s.”
The Reynold’s family answers: “We were told before the vigil that it was ‘more than a small cut would produce’ and after the same vigil that it was ‘more than a cupful’.”
Justin answers: “I don’t know.”
Phoebe, Elisha, and Courtney answer: Well, they didn’t actually.
When NOT asked, Heidi Tudela answers: “Three small dots.”
This is a perfect example of deliberately not answering something that is of great importance because any answer given is going to create more answers or back you into a corner.
If Justin were to answer: “They told me it was more than a cupful.” The next logical question would be: “How do you explain that?”
Well, he can’t. Because if this is truly the case, the answer will implicate him in something that he is desperately trying to remain clear of.
anon - if it is actually "more than a cupful" it doesn't matter if Justin says that to the media, the questioning would still be happening between LE and Justin - LE will still be asking him "how do you explain that?" regardless of what is revealed or not to the public
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DeleteOr Justin just didn't know the answer. Police after all had just spoken to Trista right before the vigil correct and told her the information supposedly? So maybe they had not told him their findings yet. And all they had shown him so far was the photo he had seen early on as he had claimed. So when Trista told him about it he was clueless. Then the reporter asks him about it and his answer is " I don't know." JMO
He was NOT CLUELESS. the blood was found next to HIS BED. give me a fuckin break. ...he was shown the pictures of the blood lit up by luminol, but he already knew where it came from. he just didnt want to answer Trista because he is a coward weenie little boy.
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DeleteYou are clueless. Where did you hear blood was found by his bed? On Jeff's web sight? Or from LE? And that is exactly right being shown blood lit up by luminol means it was not visible to the human eye. And he was shown it at the police station correct? So that must mean he was shown a photo of it.
Trista and Jeff learn about "more than a cupful of blood" from MSP at the January 28 vigil, right? Trista gives an interview five days later to WCSH6 Portland on February 2. Here's what she has to say:
ReplyDeleteReynolds said she's not pushing DiPietro for answers. She's letting the police do that. "Maine State Police have it in their hands," she said. "I will not question, I will not blame, and I will not point fingers." In fact, Reynolds and DiPietro seemed friendly at a vigil for Ayla this weekend.
Reynolds said, "I don't understand what the big deal is, why everybody is making such a big deal about Justin and I being at Ayla's balloon event and suppprting her as Mom and Dad. We are friends. We've been friends. We just don't see eye to eye sometimes. But what parent doesn't? But we're still Mommy and Daddy to her. And we were supporting Ayla together."
"He is the only one who knows what I'm going through. He's going through the same exact thing that I'm going through, missing his daughter. We're missing our daughter right now. If it's anybody who knows, he knows that I'm going through on the inside every single day."
Ill say it again, she used that child to get her grips into Justin, she cared more about having Justin by her side, even after she was told a bucket of her babys blood was splashed all over his floor, than she was concerned something fatal may have happened to ayla. EVEN IF trista finds out he hacked her up with a chainsaw, she will still be goo goo eyes over this scuzbucket. she is one of those PATHETIC WOMEN. she left ayla up in wtvl, even after she said he was beating her, in hopes he would bond with ayla and would be her man. pathetic. she threw that baby under the bus.
DeleteWhat I don't understand is that Trista came out swinging at Justin from Jump Street. She didn't plead to the abductor...she was just out to demonize Justin to the world. She talks of injuries to Ayla, Justin's vindictiveness and verbal violence, Justin's control, Justin's refusal to put Ayla on the phone, etc...
DeleteSo days after learning that "more than a cupful" of her daughter's blood is dicovered, Trista says "we're friends" and that only Justin knows what she's going through?
Is this what bi-polar looks like? Serious question.
mckeekitty... yes, that is what bipolar looks like, along with very high highs and very low lows. Someone who is bipolar, may want at one moment to do nothing but stay in bed all day and in the next, they are the social butterfly of the world! Just my observations from people I know who are bipolar. - KJ
Deleteunfortunatly that is what is skewing the info coming out of trista.
Deleteoh derek, tell us about the time you got pulled over for being a drunk punk again.
DeleteSuch brilliance...
DeleteUmmm Anonymous repeat after me while looking in a mirror. I am a hypocrite. I live in a glass house.
DeleteHoney come back to bed, I am wearing the beer goggles that you love and the combat boots.
DeleteLMFAO
DeleteHere is something that is bothering me about this case. It is about Ayla's description of the cast on her arm. If you go back to the very beginning, one of the first reports at the 24 hour mark the description was Her left arm is in a sling and soft splint.
ReplyDeleteDecember 17
http://www.pressherald.com/news/Waterville-toddler-missing.html
“We’re approaching almost 24 hours and no one knows where a 20-month little girl is and was last seen only in pajamas,” Police Chief Joseph Massey said. “It’s very concerning. We have not been able to locate her with a pretty intensive search of the area.”
The child lives at 29 Violette Ave., off Cool Street. She was last seen wearing green, one-piece pajamas with polka dots and the words “Daddy’s Princess” on them. She is 2-feet 9-inches tall, and weighs approximately 30 pounds.
Her left arm is in a sling and soft splint. She has short thin blond hair and blue eyes.
At this point at least for me I am keeping my eyes out for a little girl with a sling and some sort of cast on. Then in an interview on January 7 This is reported:
January 7
http://www.onlinesentinel.com/news/i-fell-on-herfather-says_2012-01-06.html
Justin chose to see Dr. James Kuhn at MaineOrtho in Portland.
"He looked over the X-rays, and said, 'I don't know what they told you initially, but this isn't as bad as they said,'" Justin recalled. "They just put a splint on there with an Ace bandage. She didn't even have a cast or a sling or anything like that."
DiPietro said Ayla's arm was healing well in the days before she disappeared.
"Her arm was to the point now, before all this happened, that she was lifting it up. She wasn't bending it, but she would take (the splint) off sometimes, and she was getting to the point where she was starting to use that arm again," he said.
This is 20 days later now we find out it was basically an ace wrap that she would take off by herself. To me this is a huge difference from what we initially heard. This I think served a huge injustice to finding Ayla. Also would it not have made more sense to release a picture of Ayla in he soft cast to see what she looked like with it rather than the initial picture on the missing posters with those sunglasses on. This is probably nothing but it is something that has bothered me and I was looking to see what others opinions on it were.
"Her arm was to the point now, before all this happened, that she was lifting it up"
Deletethis is an ODD statement added in
before ALL WHAT happened?
this TIME STAMPS HER TIME OF DEATH.
She was last seen wearing green, one-piece pajamas with polka dots and the words “Daddy’s Princess” on them.
She was never changed out of her PJ's on fri am or was changed into THESE SPECIFIC ONES TO MAKE A STATEMENT-POST DEATH, she was killed sometime after Phoebe and Elisha left for work/school, cold-stored in the shed and disposed of late fri evening when everyone was sleeping. he had to get rid of her pretty quick-the smell would start to perminate to the neighbors.he may or may have not have slipped Li and Court a mikey......he used courts car because hers was blocking his as it was parked behind it. he grabbed her keys while she slept. wonder if court noticed he forgot to reajust the seat back to her settings, BUT POLICE NOTICED HOW THE SEAT AND MIRROWS WERE SET FOR SOMEONE @6FT TALL.
courtney figured when she got her car back the cops fiddled with her settings. Justin used courts car implicating her in the crime, THAT is why she isnt talking.
PS-Courtneys car, a newer model has GPS built in. Police are searching in water because the GPS report from her car leads them to the rivers. she was dumped one river, her stuff dumped at another.
Where do you get your information ?
Deleteit's okay to purchase life insurance on (ONE of your TWO unwanted) children.
DeleteGetting closer to the truth, where do you get your information ? Regarding the gps leading to the rivers in Courtney's car, Ayla's body being stored in the shed, and the seats in courtney's car being adjusted to Justin's height (although it seems to me Courtney is tall too) ? Do you have inside information or are these things you said hypotheses ?
Deletecourtney is 5'4 justin 6'1
Deletehttp://www.myspace.com/leerow3 her myspace page
Details
Status: Single
Here for: Friends
Orientation: Straight
Height: 5' 4"
Ethnicity: Black / African descent
Religion: Christian - other
Zodiac Sign: Libra
Children: Proud parent
Education: In college
Okay, so she is 5'4''. But I would like to know where Getting closer to the truth gets his informaton ?
Delete"Courtneys car, a newer model has GPS built in."
Delete2002 Hyundai Sonatas came equipped with built in GPS?
Yes but I would like to know why getting closer to the truth states that Courtney's car was traced going to the rivers with the gps. Where does "getting closer to the truth"'s information comes from ? How does he know all that ? Or has he made it up ?
Delete@closer to thruth: Is all of this you claim unreleased information "fact" or your opinion. The way it is written sounds like you state they are facts.... can you please clarify if this is YOUR OPINION or more.
DeleteThanks in advance.
DeleteThere is a reason Closer is not answering. They know the only way to answer is to say that this is not fact but their theory made up in their head. Elisha was home Friday. Also their were other people who saw Ayla Friday. Doesn't fit Closer's theory. Also Courtney is and has talked extensively to the police same as the rest of the family. The only people she is not talking to are the media.
KM you are so full of bullshit. Courtney has lied extensively to the police, that is true and yes, Elisha was home later that day, helping to clean like a lunatic. Even Phoebe noticed the whole place was moved around from the cleaning activity. So thanks for letting us know for sure Elisha is in on the coverup, we all tried to give her the benefit of the doubt, but there is no doubt now!!!!
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DeleteYou are the one who is full of it. You have no idea if Courtney has lied. LE did not say she lied. You don't know know whether Elisha was home all day or not. And you are ignoring the fact that there were people who saw Ayla that day. But LE knows this. You can keep trying to spin your theories but that is all they are is your own theories.
all they did WRONG....hmmmm interesting. so they DID do something wrong. They made AYLA GO MISSING.
ReplyDelete“They were devastated. Their granddaughter, niece, daughter is missing. All they did wrong was have a child that was missing,” she said.(Heidi)
“I just want the public to keep their eyes open and not close the book on this,” DiPietro said. “This isn’t anywhere near over. ... There’s not going to be any closure until Ayla comes home.”
ReplyDeleteDiPietro said there are good reasons to believe Ayla is with someone, but wouldn’t elaborate.
“When the time is right, everything is going to come out. And regardless of what law enforcement is saying or what (Ayla’s mother) Trista (Reynolds) is saying, this really isn’t the time to be saying anything. And law enforcement, they can say ‘We don’t believe they’re telling the truth,’ but there’s a big difference between fact and thinking something.”
DiPietro said he hopes that the person who took his daughter will send a signal out to the public that she’s alive. He also said he wishes the police could offer immunity to the kidnapper so Ayla can be returned.
December 31, 2011
ReplyDeleteSubpoena seeks to track author of 'Ayla' poem
Jones' poem was posted in pressherald.com's comment section under the pseudonym "Nomainer," following a story that appeared Monday. It read:
Away where no one can harm her again
Your life will be happy now
Loved by those that took you to safety
A new life far from the insanity in Maine
The letters that begin the poem's four lines spell "Ayla," Jones pointed out, an idea she got after receiving a poem from a pen pal.
The subpoena to The Press Herald called for the media company's representatives to appear before a grand jury in February with Jones's contact information. The subpoena did not indicate that any indictment is imminent, Stokes said
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http://www.pressherald.com/news/subpoena-seeks-to-track-author-of-ayla-poem_2011-12-31.html?searchterm=Ayla+Reynolds
asked for a polygraph on day one,” DiPietro said today during an interview with the Morning Sentinel. “I’ve taken one, and the results, I was never allowed to see them. It’s something you’re going to have to ask law enforcement about.”
ReplyDeleteDiPietro, 24, was told how he did on the test, Steve McCausland, spokesman for the Department of Public Safety, said. He said he was baffled by DiPietro’s statement that he didn’t know the results.
“He knows how he did, because we told him,” McCausland said. “To say that he didn’t know, is just not true.”
McCausland would not say how DiPietro did. “That is something I can’t get into,” he said.
DiPietro said, “I know I went in there and smoked it. I told the truth and that’s that.”
When asked if police told him the results, DiPietro said. “They can tell me whatever they want. Again, I didn’t physically see the results.”
When asked if police told him he failed the test, DiPietro said, “That’s all irrelevant. I wanted to see the results myself. They’re not letting me see them. Why don’t they let the public see them?”
McCausland said the polygraph exam results would be difficult to read without training.
“It’s lines on a paper, similar to an electrocardiogram report,” he said. “The polygraph operator knows the results, but there’s no transcript or written text that goes with it.
“It’s very simiilar to doctors interpreting an EKG. Polygraph operators work in a similar fashion.”
DiPietro said he took one polygraph exam, administered by a single detective.
DiPietro wouldn’t say what he was asked, but briefly described the equipment.
“You’ve got things on your fingers, you’ve got things across your chest,” he said.
He also sat on a seat pad that was part of the polygraph exam equipment, he said.
Asked if other family members had taken a polygraph exam, DiPietro said he was not sure.
“I just know about myself,” he said. “Again, anything (police have) asked us to do, we’ve cooperated. We’ve made ourselves available to them.
“Anytime they’ve had a question about something, if they want us to come to the station ... more than willing. We’re cooperating. There’s nothing to hide here.”
McCausland said Maine State Police have three or more polygraph operators and the tests are used for investigative purposes and for pre-employment screening for Maine law enforcement officers.
He said the test results cannot be used as evidence in court cases.
Also on Friday, DiPietro said there were three children and three adults in his mother’s home on Violette Avenue the night before Ayla was reported missing.
DiPietro said he and Ayla; his sister Elisha DiPietro, 23 and her young daughter; and his girlfriend Courtney Roberts, 24, and her young son, were all in the home. The Roberts are Portland residents.
McCausland said at a Wednesday press conference there were three adults and two children in the home. Friday he said that was a mistake.
“There were two children in addition to Ayla,” McCausland said.
At that same press conference, McCausland said police encouraged the DiPietros to speak to the media.
DiPietro said Friday he felt some information should be left to the police to make public.
“I would rather let them be the ones to come out and talk about that night, if they feel it’s necessary,” DiPietro said of police. “I don’t really feel that’s up to us. If there are certain details they want to share, they should be the ones to come out and share those details.”
DiPietro also clarified a comment he made Wednesday to the Morning Sentinel regarding a large scale search of the Kennebec River and Messalonskee Stream by state divers.
Mcausland is lying when he says the poly graph operator knows the results, but that there is no written report. The polygraph er has to interpret the meaning of the lines etc exactly the way a doctor interprets an EKG then writes a report of what it means. I think Justin was right to ask to see the report of the results and not rely on what police tell him verbally. Especially if the used it to try to pressure him.
DeleteAnom - Now that you mention it, I agree - "McCausland said the polygraph exam results would be difficult to read without training. “It’s lines on a paper, similar to an electrocardiogram report,” he said. “The polygraph operator knows the results, but there’s no transcript or written text that goes with it."
DeleteWhen someone has an ecg, the doctor who reads it sends a report to the doctor who ordered it. How are investigators supposed to know how someone did on their test? Is it just word of mouth? Do they sit down and have coffee with the polygrapher afterwards? In a case this important, I'd think they would have the parties take the test with 2 different polygraphers who don't work together and compare results - which they would have on paper. Thanks for mentioning that anon, I'm going to do some research on poly protocol.
Something interesting for consideration;
DeleteIn the case of Breeann Rodriguez, a toddler missing last year in Missouri, both parents were polygraphed right after her disappearance. Both parents were told that they failed their polygraphs. Breeann was found days later, dead at the hands of a neighnor. The parents were not involved in any way.
How many times has this happened?
I question polygraphs given to parents in the early days of an investigation of this type.
"I question polygraphs given to parents in the early days of an investigation of this type."
DeleteS.... I agree totally. I am sure that in the early days (and perhaps longer) parents are feeling guilt, when their child is missing. Since parents are the main care giver, it is not unusual for them to feel 'responsible' merely because they look at it as their job to protect. I cannot see how polygraphing parents could help at all. Given the unreliability of polygraphs in ideal situations, these situations only make a polygraph even less reliable. IMO - KJ
Anommmmm10/27/12 7:27 PM... I also believe that there is a written report somewhere. Police do not have to tell you the truth, they can say whatever they want in order to do their investigation. If the polygraph was done by police personnel (or police hired personnel) then the polygraph is a part of the investigation and the police have total control of who sees what. If Justin wanted to see the results of a polygraph, he could hire an independent polygraph and then he would be the owner of the report (not the State of Maine). - KJ
DeleteYes but I would like to know why getting closer to the truth states that Courtney's car was traced going to the rivers with the gps. Where does "getting closer to the truth"'s information comes from ? How does he know all that ? Or has he made it up ?
ReplyDeleteFILE - This undated file photo obtained from a Facebook page shows toddler Ayla Reynolds, missing in Waterville, Maine. Reynolds was reported missing on Dec. 17, 2011 from the Waterville, Maine home of her father Justin DiPietro. With the reward expiring and the victim believed to be dead,
ReplyDeletethe family is trying to move on despite not knowing what happened to the missing toddler.
John P...I understand you read here. So this is for you and U4A.
ReplyDeleteI sincerely applaud your hunter-awareness campaign. My issue is that it concentrates 100% on Ayla and does not consider other people that go missing in woods. Some are men. Some are women. Some are teenagers. Some might be toddlers. Some might be victims of foul play. Some may have committed suicide. Some may have simply wandered off, got lost, and succumbed to the elements.
It was a woman's bathing suit that a hunter stumbled upon that later led to the remains of Molly Bish here in Western, MA.
I thought "chicky's" observation of a discarded mattress in a remote location was worthy of investigation.
My point? Why not just inform hunters to be on the alert for anything that appears out-of-place deep in the woods? Honestly, I think most hunters already know to do this...but perhaps not all. That is why I applaud your project.
A bra, underwear, sippy cup, bathing suit, wallet, blood, human bone, signs of a grave, a set of dentures, etc. should be reported to the authorities if found.
That would have covered Ayla, and perhaps others lost and missing.
mckeekitty.... I agree that any pleas to hunters should include anything they see that is out of place or unusual. There is also a missing woman (Christiana Fesmire) somewhere in the woods of Maine. Her accused murdered supposedly claimed he wrapped her in a blanket and dumped her body in a swampy area of woods (somewhere out of the Lewiston area). Just recently a man from northern Maine was also found deceased in the woods. So asking for hunters to look for anything unusual is a great idea. - KJ
DeleteVery petty very very petty. You all need to grow up.
DeleteFurthermore, they put the awareness in the hunter's head to look . . . do you think if a hunter comes across a body and evidence and it doesn't involve Ayla they will just walk past it. . . you really need to stop showing your hatred toward that blog Mckeekitty it does not become you! GROW UP
DeleteAt the time I posted my comment, John was touting a poster that included photos of Justin and Trista in it. I don't think either Trista or Justin are lost in the woods.
DeleteYou may have missed my point that I applaud the hunter awareness project. I just wanted to emphasize that ANYTHING out of place should be explored. A discarded bathing suit was the clue to discovering Molly Bish here in Western, MA.
Yeah...I could see a hunter not thinking that a bathing suit was significant. In fact, this is exactly what happened. It was several days later when the hunter learned about the missing girl and reported the bathing suit. So what is so wrong with reminding hunter to be aware of anything that appears out of place?
I'll go grow up now.
An extensive search took place to find Molly Bish. It was the largest and most expensive search for a missing person ever held in Massachusetts. Her case was profiled on the American television shows Disappeared, America's Most Wanted[2], Unsolved Mysteries[3], and 48 Hours[1]. On June 9, 2003, Bish's remains were found five miles from her family home.[4] A hunter had seen a blue bathing suit in the woods on Whiskey Hill in Palmer, Massachusetts in the late fall of 2002. He mentioned this to Tim McGuigan in May 2003, who then made the possible connection to Molly Bish and contacted police. An intense search of the area soon located Molly's remains.
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Again...a diaper, wallet, clothing, a mound that could indicate a shallow grave should be reported. I doubt that photos of Ayla will be all that productive. JMO.
In the Christina Fesmire case, LE has been told by the suspect that he wrapped her in a blanket and threw her in the woods in the Lewiston area. Given that info, it seems that the investigating office should have found a way already to reach out to hunters in that area - but if they have, we haven't heard about it.
DeleteI agree, mckee, that pictures of Trista, Justin, and even Ayla are not going to help locate Ayla if she is out in the woods; however, they are making an effort that LE has not made. They may be going a little overboard on the self-congratulatory language, but it serves a purpose in keeping the morale up and the energy flowing. Overall, people were becoming tired and frustrated, and this has given a focus and they could feel they have contributed. I am honestly still overwhelmed when I think of the early searchers finding the remains of Steven Brandon who'd been missing for 8 years. I feel in a sense that Ayla brought this man home to his family.
I'm not critical of the campaign...I posted my thoughts and ideas on the matter here because John P reads on this blog and I cannot post on U4A.
DeleteThe trolls seem to have missed the point that this is a very positive awareness program that I, and many here, highly commend. I only wanted to suggest that ANYTHING out of place in the woods should be reported. IMO, that is more productive than a photo of Ayla, Justin and Trista.
I used Molly Bish's case to illustrate my point. Sadly, people are killed and/or disposed of in the woods. Suggesting a general awareness of "huh...that's weird...why would a bathing suit be in the woods" shouldn't just be dismissed.
McKee, you have plenty of time to do your own hunter awareness for next year that can include hunters looking for anything and everything.
DeleteOne thing I don't understand, if you know John has no desire to speak with you why do you insist on writing to John here, rather than addressing the Hunter awareness as a whole. Is this just to show that you, "win" ?
I'm not getting your one on one battles at all.
nice to know oneannon hopes ayla is still missing at this time next year
DeleteOneannon...John has clearly stated that he reads here. I can no longer post on U4A. Thus,, this is a mutual portal to make a suggestion that a photo of Ayla, Justin and Trista isn't, IMO, a productive approach to finding Ayla.
DeleteHave you seen the posters???? The one with Justin and Trista is disgusting.
Hey annon, I said nothing about Ayla not being found and if other missing persons should also be looked for that are missing or still missing next year then why not do this hunter awareness again.
DeleteYou saying that I hope Ayla is still missing is simply stupid and a waste of words, immature to say the least.
McKee, not every poster suggested or created by many individuals from united for Ayla and other facebook pages were used for distribution.
"McKee, not every poster suggested or created by many individuals from united for Ayla and other facebook pages were used for distribution."
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I have no idea what the fuck you are saying, oneannon. You may want to take the marbles out of your mouth before striking the keyboard.
What part of commending U4A for their project don't you get? What part of suggesting that ANYTHING out of place shoud be explored?
Hope you did your civic duty and voted on the latest poll...
"You may want to take the marbles out of your mouth before striking the keyboard."
DeleteLMFAO! Good one, cat!
Oneannon...I want to apologize for my 9:50 PM remark. I've been trying to figure out how to remove it, but don't know how.
DeleteIt was an unnecessary comment. I know you care about Ayla, as do we all.
I DO applaud the hunter awareness project. Anything that keeps Ayla awake in our minds is a positive.
Honestly, I didn't mean to go on the attack. Last night was tough. We had lots of little children trick-or-treating and my mind went to Ayla...
Please accept my apology.
McKee, There were many posters/flyers that were created by people but not all of those were printed and distributed. So it may be that the one you found offensive was not one that was printed and distributed.
DeleteAs far as any civic duty, I do what I feel is morally correct and posted flyers in numerous towns.
Oneannon...yes, the one I found questionable (with the photo of Justin and the photo of Trista in it) is no longer on the site.
DeleteAs others have pointed out, the hunter awareness project is pro-active and gives those that support Ayla an opportunity to actually do something in what often feels like a lost cause.
Again, I'm sorry I lashed out at you. We had this one tricker-or-treater last night that could have been Ayla's twin. She was dressed as a bat, and I was full of rage that Ayla wasn't likely enjoying what would have been her second Halloween.
Can someone please tell me how to remove a comment? TIA.
McKee, in order to delete a comment, you have to be logged in to an account.
Deletemckee has become a giant VERBAL HEMMOROID and got kicked of U4A because she gots the potty mouth. she got it real bad, that and she is still crying about getting kicked off the island. It's kinda funny really when you think about it. I used to stick up for her but now I think she may just be a hoity toity bitch. Her annoyance factor has shot up to the roof.
DeleteFor some reason I do not believe that you are the Bonnie that defended Mckee.
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Mckeekitty would find something wrong with Mother T. (The Saint).
ReplyDeleteMckeekitty is a bottom blog belly-acher with hemorrhoids that would only get off her ass to save her beloved keyboard.
Anon 2:34
DeleteInsulting others isn't productive. Sorry you don't like Mckee. Didn't your mother ever tell you if you can't say nothing nice, don't say nothing at all......if she didn't, she should have.
oaklandrez
I'd stick up for you too anon if someone were abusing you for no reason.
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oaklandrez - clearly there's some anons who are obsessed with mckee. They could start a support group... some sort of 12 step program - "Hi, my name is Anonymous and I'm addicted to mckee" - "Hi Anonymous, welcome to our group, coincidentally we are all named Anonymous - here we all practice talking about other things, anon on the end has earned her first chip for not referencing mckee for the past 24 hours. Way to go! The tenet of our program is based on trying to figure out what our OWN problems are that we feel like we always need to talk about mckee instead."
Deleteanon who started this thread, "bottom blog belly-acher" - the irony
@ Space,
DeleteThanks for making me smile. Very good.
oaklandrez - My mother told me to tell the truth & thats what I did, if you don't like it, thats your problem.
ReplyDeleteanon 4:10 you can tell the truth without the insults and derogatory name calling. You don't have to be nasty to tell the truth.
Deleteoaklandrez
or your perceived truth I should say....
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Anon 2:23
DeleteMy mother would have washed my mouth out with soap for using the language you used or did she teach you that also?
Correction that is anon 2:34
DeleteOT Massachusetts
ReplyDeletehttp://www.wpri.com/dpp/news/local_news/se_mass/amber-alert-issued-for-missing-3-month-old
Cheryl E. Kozaczek, 28, left her home at around 1 a.m. Wednesday with her daughter, Gaebria Kozaczek in a gray 2004 Toyota Tacoma pickup truck.
The vehicle has Mass. Registration 85ZH15 and bears a Westfield State University parking decal.
Looking...I'm near Westfield and have been following this since it came over my police scanner.
DeleteI'm quite confused. The Amber Alert was issued around 10:00 this morning. Cheryl's mother has legal custody of Gaebria. I'm not sure, but I think Cheryl also lived in the home with her mother and daughter.
Did Cheryl's mother not realize that the infant was gone until 10:00 this morning?
Now I'm REALLY confused. It is being confirmed that Cheryl indeed lived with her mother and daughter in the Westfield home. The Amber Alert warns that Gaebria may be in "extreme danger."
DeleteHow the hell does that work? Cheryl doesn't have custody of her daughter, and may pose a threat to the infant? Yet she lives in the home with her mother and daughter?
The Amber Alert came over the scanner just before ten this morning. Nearly an hour later it came across the TV screen. The latest is that Cheryl may be heading to the "mid Atlantic" states
Does somebody here have experience/knowledge about such matters? If you lose your infant to your own mother, is it permissable to live in the same home with your infant?
Pure speculation on my part...but it sounds like Katheryn Kozaczek wasn't aware that Cheryl took off with Gaebria at 1:00 AM.
Sure hope this one has a happy ending.
Found safe
DeleteWESTFIELD, Mass. —
Authorites say the mother of a 3-month-old Westfield girl was located and arrested in Virgina Wednesday afternoon.
Photos: Amber Alert issued for missing child
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The baby was found safe.
Cheryl E. Kozaczek, 28, of 80 Woodmont St., of Westfield, left her home at approximately 1 a.m. Wednesday with her 3-month-old daughter, Gaebria Kozaczek, in a gray 2004 Toyota Tacoma pickup.
Cheryl Kozaczek did not have legal custody of the child. The child’s legal guardian was Cheryl Kozaczek’s mother.
Westfield Police said the child was not in the custody of her mother due to mental health issues.
Kozaczek was picked up by Virginia State Police just before 3 p.m. Wednesday in Emporia, Virginia, a community located off Interstate 95, approximately 11 miles from the North Carolina border.
Emporia is approximately 565 miles from Westfield, Massachusetts.
Massachusetts State Police Trooper Todd Nolan said they believed the woman may have left the state with the infant and was possibly heading south along the eastern seaboard.
Cheryl Kozaczek has previously spent time in California and has been known to sleep in her vehicle or in hotels.
Read more: http://www.wcvb.com/news/local/central-massachusetts/Mother-of-3-month-old-who-triggered-Amber-Alert-arrested-in-Virginia/-/11983998/17208332/-/lrfq5a/-/index.html#ixzz2AuNbRIPZ
Just came over the news wires! YIPEE!!!!
DeleteThanks for posting, Looking. So glad the baby is safe.
I do want to agree with you this was sort of screwy. Now i get the mother suffered mental illness and that is why the grandmother had physical custody. That also explains why the mom was living there. The thing that gets me is obviously the grandmother saw the mom leave since a description of what she was wearing was given. What I want to know is what was the reason the mother was allowed to leave at 1 am with a 3 month old and why the wait until 10 am for the alert?
DeleteAgain...speculating. I don't think Cheryl's mother knew the baby was missing until 9 or 10 o'clock this morning. A mentally ill mother leaving with her infant that she does not have custody of at 1:00 AM would have demanded immediate action, IMO. I'm sure we'll learn more about this story in the days to follow...
DeleteI know it has been floating out there that Trista is bipolar. I actually bought this hook, line, and sinker...but I don't see it verified in the media and/or LE statements.
I worry about Trista's young son... I hope Becca, Jeff, Jessica, Ron, Ronnie, Whitney and/or Robert Fortier are keeping tabs on the little tyke.
Anonymous @ 11/1/12 - 2:03pm
ReplyDeleteoaklandrez can't help it, its a smorgasbord to spew more shit.
I stick up for Mckee and anyone else you trolls beat on for no reason. I don't find you people funny nor do I find the brow beating useful. Sorry you don't like that I stick up for others.
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oaklandrez, its not the fact that you stick up for mckee, its where you stick your head to do it.
ReplyDeleteoaklandrez, can you honestly say you've not coughed up a few fur balls?
ReplyDeleteNope sorry no hairballs here
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oaklandrez. we need more people on this planet like you. you deal with the idiots in a respectful way. i also think mckitty is special. hopefully your and mckitty's views will help guide LE thru this nightmare. Phoebe (or a look-alike) took Ayla.
ReplyDeleteOak...at the risk of coming off as a real ass-kisser to the trolls, I agree with Anon 6:16 (Kadoe...is that you?)
DeleteI'm sorry you've been a target of attack for simply being respectful and decent towards others. Trolls are the dark-side of all blogs...
I don't know who is responsible for Ayla's disappearance. Not sure LE knows either. Just turned the calendar page to November, and I wonder if this case will ever be solved.
Kadoe, have you ever seen a picture of Bob Vear's wife, Darus?
DeleteAnon 6:16 and Mckee, thanks. I try to NOT call people names or degrade them. There's no reason to. People that do those kinds of things on a regular basis have a tendency to be abusers (physical and mental). I dealt with enough of that in my life.
DeleteThe trolls make me a target because they can't stand the fact that there are people that can get their point across without being abusive and it really burns their asses that the abusive crap they spew doesn't have the desired effect. I can take it and not turn around and be like them :)
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does vear's wife look like phoebe n wear large rimmed glasses? could she spit a watermelon seed thru her front teeth?
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I hadn't heard about large rimmed glasses before. I don't think I've seen a picture of Phoebe wearing glasses.
Deletehere's a full-size pic from December 17th that shows what Phoebe, Justin, Courtney and Elisha were wearing that day
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DeletePapaboot hugs and I still have free candy if you want to send your kiddies over...
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